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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:08:00 -
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Stop logging in.
The entire game is designed to hide its shortcomings from new players. Skill training that moves as fast as terry schiavo at a swim meet is a great way to hide bad game design. If the game was actually well developed CCP wouldn't be afraid of giving out perfect SP on SiSi. It takes 3 years to train up the skills to fly everything and then you figure out just how imbalanced and badly designed this game is. Any time that players find a tactic that is fun, CCP removes it.
PVE content is bland and dated. There are almost no variations in any of the content, but this is an MMO so player vs computer is redundant when you have other humans to interact with. Player versus Player content usually boils down to 'spawn camping.' Get a superior number of players, camp a choke point. If an actual fight shows up, run and hide. This is terrible gameplay, how would you like a game of chess where one guy gets 20 Queens and you get 5 pawns. The pvp is further cheapened by the use of metagaming. You have so called elite pvp groups that only succeed when they know your every move. Winning a game of Rock Paper Scissors isn't that impressive if you know your opponents moves before they make them.
Really anyone who has played for more than 10 months probably has seen the hints of these staggering flaws. Anytime CCP tries to improve their game play they make it even worse and more tedious (see dominion). Then you have Devs that demonstrate total ignorance of game play mechanics (thats you CCP Nozh) yet make sweeping changes (castrations) to gameplay despite being proven wrong. They then tell the players to wait, we will look at it again soon. You just worked on it and its even worse...and you want more time to **** it up?
Then there is the whole issue of dev corruption. T20 was exposed and CCP censored and banned those that exposed their shameful ways. To this day you still have devs making seemingly preferential game changes. Moon goo, the Anom Nerf. Funny that Greyscale managed to buff the largest macro/RMT territory in the game. I wonder how much in RMT kickbacks he is getting for that.
Really, what should I expect out of a game designed by a cabal of talentless alchoholics. If any of their staff had actual skills, they would work for a better company.
CCP is so full of **** that they rival the Vatican. Empty promises and false hope. They sell beautiful fluff that they NEVER deliver. Just wait 2-8 years guys, we might get this working. Its been 8 years and your game is still ****. Whats taking you so long?
Take the time to do the math. CCP is taking in around 50 million a year in subs at their current rate. Games like COD4 cost around 20 million and took 3 years to develop. Where's the money lebowski? It sure as hell isn't being spent on content. They just dropped 50,000 on a new server, that must have put a massive dent in their bottom line.
And NO, none of you *******s can have my stuff, I will not encourage you to continue playing this utterly inane game.
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Pajama Sam
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:11:00 -
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ok
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Judicator Saturnius
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:15:00 -
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TL;DR
Stuff, give it.
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Fried'chickenisha
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:16:00 -
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Its about Friends its an MMORPG and that means many men online role playing girls, err wait MMO mutiplayer massive online role playing game. err nevermind can i have your stuff.
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:25:00 -
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U Mad?
Show us on the doll...
Your stuff...
&etc., &etc....
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:26:00 -
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Sorry, I stopped taking your post seriously when I noticed that your avatar's name is "Miso Hawnee".
Oh wait, that was before I started your post. And right after I stopped on the 2nd sentence. Oh well.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Miso Hawnee
The entire game is designed to hide its shortcomings from new players.
Welcome to every game ever
also IBTL
...oh wait
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Erid Tangor
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:38:00 -
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I'm on a boat...
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Hectanooga
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:42:00 -
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Miso, put on a bra you god damned hippy!
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:42:00 -
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lol loser
You win any game every minute of play that you enjoyed, and maybe minutes you enjoy on the forum s or minutes you enjoy on the bus thinking about what you'll train next etc.
It's entertainment.. if you're entertained you win.. . most people set goals and achieve them and find that entertainment, but some are just in it for the IRC commaderie in corp-chat.
And you don't need to enjoy everyminute.. as long as you enjoy some of the minutes enough to overcome the negative minutes and hours of neutrality, you're ahead...it might be worth many hours to have a 5 minute experience that you'll think back on months later and thats enough to put a bounce in your step the next day at work.
You are a loser (as in losing the game) if you're not enjoying a game yet keep spending hours playing it.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Miso Hawnee
terry schiavo
Terry Schiavo? Really? That's what you chose as your "slow as molasses" analogy?
Click the edit button and please try again.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Stop logging in.
The entire game is designed to hide its shortcomings from new players.
They don't play EveOnline, they play some other imaginary game in their head.
I find trolling them much more fun then playing their ****ty broken game.
It's also the ONLY way to get anything done. CSM is purely about placation.
The only thing CCP respond to is negative publicity. Marketing runs the show.
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 10/05/2011 01:55:12
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
lol loser
You win any game every minute of play that you enjoyed, and maybe minutes you enjoy on the forum s or minutes you enjoy on the bus thinking about what you'll train next etc.
It's entertainment.. if you're entertained you win.. . most people set goals and achieve them and find that entertainment, but some are just in it for the IRC commaderie in corp-chat.
And you don't need to enjoy everyminute.. as long as you enjoy some of the minutes enough to overcome the negative minutes and hours of neutrality, you're ahead...it might be worth many hours to have a 5 minute experience that you'll think back on months later and thats enough to put a bounce in your step the next day at work.
You are a loser (as in losing the game) if you're not enjoying a game yet keep spending hours playing it.
Pretty much this. You were winning all the time you were enjoying it (and if you have NEVER enjoyed but continued to play, you're even MORE of a loser than I first thought) and if you're not enjoying it anymore, please, just go away.
(and if you expected this game, ANY game, to remain immesurably fun for an indefinite time, you're a loser AND a retard)
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
terry schiavo
Terry Schiavo? Really? That's what you chose as your "slow as molasses" analogy?
Click the edit button and please try again.
Yup, welcome to 2005!
Originally by: Hectanooga
Miso, put on a bra you god damned hippy!
are you kidding? that was the ONLY good thing about this post...
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Stop logging in.
The entire game is designed to hide its shortcomings from new players.
They don't play EveOnline, they play some other imaginary game in their head.
I find trolling them much more fun then playing their ****ty broken game.
It's also the ONLY way to get anything done. CSM is purely about placation.
The only thing CCP respond to is negative publicity. Marketing runs the show.
Trolling does nothing.
Cancelling your account might (if enough people do it) but you're (merrily, it seems) deluding yourself if you think that your trolling is getting anything done.
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Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:58:00 -
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Development costs money, Servers cost money, server maintenance costs money, etc... Lots of it, and if that isn't enough they have White Wolf Publishing development on Dust 514, and development on World of Darkness to eat up their profits. No developer focuses entirely on one market/game, and it's rediculous to think they should.
Given what I know of White Wolf Publishing, (having spent some time as a pen and paper gamer), I'd say that's eating a hole in their profit margin itself, though it may have quite a fanbase. Not what I'm into I'm afraid, though I'll probably give World of Darkness a go when it's released. Vampires and Werewolves have a certain charm, but it's a little to Cult oriented for me, which is one reason I believe it's got limited profit potential. To culty.
Actually, pen & paper gaming is historically unreliable as a potential market. People who play those games tend to be fickle, and they can always make up their own stuff, plus a great many of them are unemployed and unmotivated, if not outright drug addicts/criminals. Even Courts have their fun with them, claiming they cause all manner of mischief; ignoring the fact that it's the people that play the games that are the problem. (i.e: "Dungeons & Dragons is a primary cause of gang activity.") U.S court ruling that 
Whatever, it's totally besides the point, that I consider the pen & paper gaming industry unworthy of attention, or that I think the people who play those games are of questionable worth. As I said, I used to play myself, and I quit because I realized the majority of players were of less than credible integrity, and usually much less than sober, while quite often being on drugs. Also, quite a few of them are just plain crazy, which is more of an observation than an opinion.
Kicked that to death, didn't I. 
EVE is an awesome game despite some of its flaws, (which are actually much less significant than generally supposed), so don't trash it. Yes, I personally agree that Dev's forming a 'band?' and grabbing their crotches on stage is questionable, as are a few other things, but generally find myself unconcerned with that. When CCP does a presentation, sets foot on stage and delivers a speech on game improvements and future development, they do it quite well. When they answer questions from the playerbase, or do a Devblog they deliver it with casual and honest discussion, even trying to set it out in layman's terms for everyone.
Generally, I would have to say that most of your statements are plainly untrue, and lack any honest attempt to form valid criticism; while instead you dispense mostly bitter cynicism.
CPP has delivered and continues to do so. It's a shame you can't see that.
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.10 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran
I quit because I realized the majority of players were of less than credible integrity, and usually much less than sober, while quite often being on drugs. Also, quite a few of them are just plain crazy, which is more of an observation than an opinion.
Hmm that sounds nothing like the players of MMOs....
Thank you for posting an articulated response instead of picking random memes.
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Hermann Fegelein
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.10 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Hermann Fegelein on 10/05/2011 02:14:20
Edited by: Hermann Fegelein on 10/05/2011 02:10:20
I don't get these threads. I understand legitimate complaints about actual issues. But threads just telling people to stop playing the game are annoying. You don't like the game? Fine with me. Just shut up and let those of us that actually like the game enjoy ourselves. If we want to spend our hard earned cash on something we like than don't try to discourage us. EVE isn't harmful, if anything you could get addicted and loose your social life, but that is the same case with anything that is entertaining.
Yeah, the PVE is bland in this game but it is an MMO which you did mention so I will give you credit for that. However PVE does pay the PVP bills.
As for PVP, it's fine as it is. Sure there are some imbalances but the only way to make the game 100% balanced is to make EVE a free for all, give everyone the same skills, give everyone the same amount of money, and the same ships and modules. But that wouldn't be fun would it? It would get repetitive, boring.
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Rose Hips
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Posted - 2011.05.10 02:11:00 -
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I won eve.
It's these dang forums I'm having trouble with.
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Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.10 02:44:00 -
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Minor disclaimer I fealt I should add.
I don't think developing World of Darkness for an MMO is a terrible idea, and it's quite likely it will be successful and even gain a following not traditionally devoted to that genre. It's actually a good idea I think, and with the proper development could be a really interesting experience.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:02:00 -
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WoW is that way. --->
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Waaaaaagggh
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:06:00 -
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lol wow i've seen a lot of threads of people complaining bout issues with the game.
you should see the amount of people complaining on other mmos' forums. this is nothing.
i enjoy the game. if you don't... why are you here? 
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Patty Patrick Patterson
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Stop logging in.
The entire game is designed to hide its shortcomings from new players.
They don't play EveOnline, they play some other imaginary game in their head.
I find trolling them much more fun then playing their ****ty broken game.
It's also the ONLY way to get anything done. CSM is purely about placation.
The only thing CCP respond to is negative publicity. Marketing runs the show.
Trolling does nothing.
Cancelling your account might (if enough people do it) but you're (merrily, it seems) deluding yourself if you think that your trolling is getting anything done.
The minerals I mine, err.... gametime I don't pay for with CASH: IS FREE!
CCP is in no way benefiting from his purchase of PLEX so that he can keep drenching the forum in luke-warm bitter-vet rage. :cripes:
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:24:00 -
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Elaborating on my comments above that you win everyminute the game keeps you entertained and if you enjoy enough of it to keep coming back,
if there is something you enjoy, i have no problem with people complaining about the parts they would like to see made better.
Pointing out recent mistakes or possiblities for improvement is a sign of caring if done correctly.
I'm thinking that the T-20 thing should be put to bed by now, while there might be times where someone gets a "benefit of the doubt" that others wouldn't get due to a freindship with an employees or a developer who things a certain push might make the game political context a bit more interesting, I don't think its that extreme.. in fact the huge shifts in wealth come from poor decisions in broader implementation and unforseen consequences (often that other players can forsee but are dismissed as gripers).
But, the game is not built around parity.
To me, what makes the game enjoyable is that you can fight along with players who've played for years and help a bit two weeks into the game with a target painter or a warp disrupter I.
You can play roaming terrorist and have fun disrupting supply lines or stray ratters and have just as much (if not more) fun as those that own vast resources and control the terriorty in which you raise mischief.
If having more than the next guy, having a bigger ship or more isk is your idea of winning and that the experience you'll have along the way is only bearable because of the huger for surpassing what others have.. you're missing the point (of any mmo really)
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
If having more than the next guy, having a bigger ship or more isk is your idea of winning and that the experience you'll have along the way is only bearable because of the huger for surpassing what others have.. you're missing the point (of any mmo really)
Not sure how you got that idea, I never mentioned anything about keeping up with the Jonses. Fun for me in this game is lengthy bouts of mutual combat with other players. PvP is the only thing that separates online games from playing offline, and it is good. I've never cared for large expensive ships. Some of the most fun I have is in t1 cruisers. 3 years and 50+ million SP and I can't even fly a capital ship.
When I started playing, you could still find skirmish warfare. Now almost everything seems to boil down to blobs and bat-phones, and who can hot drop the most Nyx / Aeons. Pretty lame as there are currently no counter weapons. Super Carriers are more powerful than Titans at 1/5th the cost. There is absolutely no mechanic for balanced fights, and the centralized Structure shoot style of Sov War that dominion gave us only made it worse. That expansion mostly broke eve and its endgame. It took them over 6 months for CCP to admit a problem and even longer to start fixing it. As it stands, the pre dominion client is still superior in every way to what we have now. It had less lag with more people on grid. Now End Game of eve is as complex as reinforcing a system, Showing up with a supercapital blob, launching fighterbombers and laughing as all non super carriers lag out and lose the ability to function whilst FB and Fighter spam continues unaffected. To further compound this, bombs do not work well in lag so the primary counter weapon to fighter spam is unusable.
Broken endgame is broken.
Plenty of games have design flaws. In a game with only one server its more of a problem than multiple server games. In an FPS if the owners of the server cheese kill and spawn camp, you just find a server with people that like a challenge. In eve you can't jump servers because masses choose to pick the gayest tactics known rather than looking for Good Fights. Maybe the problem with eve online isn't the software, maybe its the player base. Then again, online games tend to attract the lowest common denominator. This is why all the good servers are private on almost any game.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:56:00 -
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Forced pacing of advancement?
Yes, this totally unique thing that's done only by CCP and is definitely not core to the design principles of MMOs in general is quite evil and insidious, in that it's quite unexpected by players intentionally joining an MMO. Which, to re-iterate, do not usually attempt to control the pace of advancement at all.
Definitely not something 100% of MMOs in history have always done, because to do otherwise would be ****ing ******ed as a business model, is what I'm saying here. Which is what makes it so unexpected, and thus evil, that CCP does it, while no one else ever has; certainly not every game and especially every RPG since ****ing Zork.
It's definitely, definitely not 100% obvious to anyone that sees the "a massive multiplayer online space game" both in giant letters on the homepage and at the top of the window for the site. Which is what makes it so sneaky... and insidious. Everyone with a pulse and more than five seconds of experience with videogame culture definitely doesn't know what they're getting into, you see, and subsequently definitely don't then choose to participate willingly with full knowledge of what's involved (because they're not ****ing morons)... that's the wicked genius of it all.
So, yeah, CCP, stop being such evil, subtle and wholly original geniuses that are most definitely not adopting a business model identical in virtually all respects to every company with a similar product that has ever existed. Shame on you. Shame.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.05.10 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
If having more than the next guy, having a bigger ship or more isk is your idea of winning and that the experience you'll have along the way is only bearable because of the huger for surpassing what others have.. you're missing the point (of any mmo really)
Not sure how you got that idea, I never mentioned anything about keeping up with the Jonses. Fun for me in this game is lengthy bouts of mutual combat with other players. PvP is the only thing that separates online games from playing offline, and it is good. I've never cared for large expensive ships. Some of the most fun I have is in t1 cruisers. 3 years and 50+ million SP and I can't even fly a capital ship.
When I started playing, you could still find skirmish warfare. Now almost everything seems to boil down to blobs and bat-phones, and who can hot drop the most Nyx / Aeons. Pretty lame as there are currently no counter weapons. Super Carriers are more powerful than Titans at 1/5th the cost. There is absolutely no mechanic for balanced fights, and the centralized Structure shoot style of Sov War that dominion gave us only made it worse. That expansion mostly broke eve and its endgame. It took them over 6 months for CCP to admit a problem and even longer to start fixing it. As it stands, the pre dominion client is still superior in every way to what we have now. It had less lag with more people on grid. Now End Game of eve is as complex as reinforcing a system, Showing up with a supercapital blob, launching fighterbombers and laughing as all non super carriers lag out and lose the ability to function whilst FB and Fighter spam continues unaffected. To further compound this, bombs do not work well in lag so the primary counter weapon to fighter spam is unusable.
Broken endgame is broken.
Plenty of games have design flaws. In a game with only one server its more of a problem than multiple server games. In an FPS if the owners of the server cheese kill and spawn camp, you just find a server with people that like a challenge. In eve you can't jump servers because masses choose to pick the gayest tactics known rather than looking for Good Fights. Maybe the problem with eve online isn't the software, maybe its the player base. Then again, online games tend to attract the lowest common denominator. This is why all the good servers are private on almost any game.
Sorry if i put some wrong words in your mouth.
Surely you can find somewhere to find the sort of fights you're looking for. There are lots of others with your feeling and I'm sure you could find a way of using the alliance and war dec structure to let large numbers be war targets to each other and pvp according to certain honor rules of numbers to your heart's content all over hi-sec ?
There is certainly room for criticism and suggestion.... ccp seems pretty aware of the ever growing numbers in even more minor engagements...painfully slow in jiggering mechanics and iterating on systems to find a way to make smaller fights more frequent...its going to take experimenting that that might mean monthly changes and some sort of limmited areas of the universe to keep those experiments to, to keep a mistake from whacking game play for huge numbers of players.
Still, you crossed a certain line suggesting everything under the sun is wrong and nothing at all is enjoyable to focus on....there are ways, ... (my first suggestion would be to try roaming wormhole pipes or something?)... your game isn't limmited to the one part you used to enjoy and can't find now.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.05.10 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Forced pacing of advancement?
Yes, this totally unique thing that's done only by CCP and is definitely not core to the design principles of MMOs in general is quite evil and insidious, in that it's quite unexpected by players intentionally joining an MMO. Which, to re-iterate, do not usually attempt to control the pace of advancement at all.
Definitely not something 100% of MMOs in history have always done, because to do otherwise would be ****ing ******ed as a business model, is what I'm saying here. Which is what makes it so unexpected, and thus evil, that CCP does it, while no one else ever has; certainly not every game and especially every RPG since ****ing Zork.
It's definitely, definitely not 100% obvious to anyone that sees the "a massive multiplayer online space game" both in giant letters on the homepage and at the top of the window for the site. Which is what makes it so sneaky... and insidious. Everyone with a pulse and more than five seconds of experience with videogame culture definitely doesn't know what they're getting into, you see, and subsequently definitely don't then choose to participate willingly with full knowledge of what's involved (because they're not ****ing morons)... that's the wicked genius of it all.
So, yeah, CCP, stop being such evil, subtle and wholly original geniuses that are most definitely not adopting a business model identical in virtually all respects to every company with a similar product that has ever existed. Shame on you. Shame.
The forced pace is countered by dynamics that let a pilot with a tiny fraction of the time played have some roles that they can contribute in. A player that is good with the directional scanner (a non forced pace skill as the skill is the players ablity not the character's) is more valuable to a fleet in a covops ship (about 40 days of training will get you than with t2 shield tank decent power skills etc) than most average players with 50million sp .
In a mmo like WoW you are absolutely worthless at level 30 to a lvl 60 character.. you can't hit them, your spells wouldn't work on them etc.
Allowing advancement through grinding fosters a sort of unhealthy game play for many compulsive types.. thats another argument but certainly you'd agree that grind for skills has it's own set of shortcomings.
The other thing about the way you learn skills is that learing something to 80% of a skill (level 4) takes 20% of the time it takes to get to the final step. It takes very little time to be able to fly a maelstrom at 65% of the power of a player thats worked down that road for years.
Being 65% of another player with the same ship is still meaningful in this game..(even being 30% of another) as fights are almost always asymetrical in size and the real challenge in this war game is long burn strategic political play that allows you to rally and build an army of fellow players and lay out a mutual purpose that keeps them (or which you jointly create for each other) interested.
The slow skill advance just gradually unravels content available (as in types of ships, and mods etc) .... sustaining interest by a sort of suspense and anticipation.
I'm not sure that it would be beter everywhere but it works here and its certainly a great thing that players that have characers with vastly different skills can play well alongside each other. (one freind can have just started, one friend might play 1/10th as many hours.. yet they can get together at night on shared adventures with their characters)
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Mighty Dread
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.10 05:01:00 -
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I might not agree 100% with the OP but I think he/she has some valid points. Sure I like the new content (though a lot of it is half baked) but there is much of the game that has gone stale, is rather dated, lacking evolution. Here we are heading towards walking stations, which is cool, but there are existing gameplay elements that need improvement that have been completely ignored for years. I understand that for the Devs it's hard to blow off the cobwebs of the game's foundations but sooner or later someone is going to make a Sci-Fi MMO that will do everything EVE does (and is reluctant to do) and do it 10x better.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.05.10 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
The forced pace is countered by dynamics that let a pilot with a tiny fraction of the time played have some roles that they can contribute in.
Again, this is not particularly unique to Eve. It's a problem they've solved more elegantly, perhaps, than other MMOs, but the problem is not unique nor are many of the things they present as a solution.
The usual solution in PvE is graded content (i.e. you provide levels where the less-advanced players can contribute meaningfully). Thus in WoW you have dungeons every 5 levels or so, in WAR you have content tiers, etc.
The issue in PvP is a bit more complex, but the system still generally involves some kind of tiered content (Eve has High/Low/0.0 NPC/0.0 Sov, with the middle two benefitting the most from higher SP. WAR has the aforementioned tiers, and ties them together so that lower-tier combat contributes to upper-tier victory. WoW basically ignores PvP content because it's a PvE game.
More subtle nerfing of the power of advancement is the rock/paper/scissors stuff you find in every MMO, where someone rolling a Magus will eat your Bright Wizard alive even if he's got 5 levels on you and top-tier gear, you're not beating an ECM-based fleet in a pure-BC fleet without ECCM even with all skills at 5, and so on.
I mean, I know we like to think that our game of choice is uniquely good (and, at the same time, uniquely bad for some reason). But the reality is that the basic balance issues involved in this game type have been resolved as a whole by the industry and the differences between games is a matter of specifics, not entirely new design paradigms.
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Aston Martin DB5
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Posted - 2011.05.10 06:12:00 -
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I think the solution relies on paid expansions... plain and simple.
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Eolithic WithaTwist
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.05.10 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Judicator Saturnius
TL;DR
Stuff, give it.
^this
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La Mano Arriba, Cintura Sola, Da Media Vuelta, Danza Kuduro! No Te Canses Ahora, Que Esto S=lo Empieza, Mueve La Cabeza, Danza Kuduro!
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Jacque Cruix
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Posted - 2011.05.10 06:40:00 -
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Anyone else look at the Op's Portrait and decide it probably wasn't worth the read?
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand..., impressions.
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Adrie Atticus
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2011.05.10 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
lol wow i've seen a lot of threads of people complaining bout issues with the game.
you should see the amount of people complaining on other mmos' forums. this is nothing.
+1
WoW forums are a good place to see that Eve actually has alot going for it after 8 years. WoW causes people to whine about everything, and I mean everything.
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BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.05.10 07:49:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Jacque Cruix
Anyone else look at the Op's Portrait and decide it probably wasn't worth the read?
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand..., impressions.
lol... aside from that. who seriously responded to this thread with more than one paragraph..
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Darin Ahan Parmana
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Posted - 2011.05.10 07:52:00 -
[35]
If you're trying to beat EVE Online, you're doing it wrong. You should be enjoying it. If you're not, you should quit.
But don't start putting turds like this on the forums pretending it's solid argumentation.
You're hand-picking things from 8 years of EVE Online history (ignoring everything else) in an attempt to give credibility to your own opinions which you try to present as facts. They're not. Just because you can refrain from the usual cursing, it doesn't mean your post holds any more credibility than the usual whine posts that have been popping up for the last 8 years.
Last but not least: if you want to quit, then quit. Don't be a drama queen.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.05.10 08:14:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Trolling does nothing.
Cancelling your account might (if enough people do it) but you're (merrily, it seems) deluding yourself if you think that your trolling is getting anything done.
Seen it work.
CCP has ignored issues for 6-18 months, ignored CSM, ignored users, which have been patched within 1 week of negative publicity.
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.10 08:18:00 -
[37]
I can somewhat agree with Miso Hawnee, especially concerning the whole content/time discussion.
One thing that springs to mind, is the whole "redo POSes" thing, which started back in 2006 (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=391410).
It's been 5 years and... Well, nothing, really. There was the Dominion thing, but that was more related to SOV.
One thing I find disturbing, though, is the whole deal with Incarna - It's such a HUGE resource hog. And the results are 'meh' at best - captains quarters are shiny, but is it anything that couldn't be added to the standard UI? Not really.
Incarna was initially (as far as I have understood it) supposed to increase the social interaction between players, and give some fun things to do (bars, gambling, whatever).
I'm not saying those things won't get done, but if you look at OTHER THINGS that could have been worked on instead of Incarna, it's quite possible that they'd be able to finish and polish more content.
Incarna = 'Shiny Stuff Syndrome'
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Miranda Matari
key tech limited
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Posted - 2011.05.10 09:54:00 -
[38]
You are missing the obvious guys ... he is quite right.
As one semi-intelligent made-up machine from a movie once said:
Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
But i wonŠt mind that advice and ask the usual
i can haz stuff ?
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2011.05.10 09:58:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Mars Theran
I quit because I realized the majority of players were of less than credible integrity, and usually much less than sober, while quite often being on drugs. Also, quite a few of them are just plain crazy, which is more of an observation than an opinion.
That's the reason I came back... 
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.05.10 10:18:00 -
[40]
Show us on the doll where you are mad.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.05.10 11:18:00 -
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Without trying to use hyperbole or trolling; the game IS broken/unfinished/messed up on many levels. CCP still has many things to mend or actually implement and gets it wrong more often than not. There's a recording somewhere with Seleene answering questions and giving his opinion on many things EVE, worthwhile to listen to.
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Ventii
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Posted - 2011.05.10 11:28:00 -
[42]
WOW....You play it dont you?!!
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CaptainKaos
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Posted - 2011.05.10 11:53:00 -
[43]
Wall of text basically saying nothing... congrats you have wasted alot of peoples time. All this damn *****ing and crying lately about the game. Simple solution, uninstall EVE or stfu and play.
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Emperor Salazar
Caldari
Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.10 12:01:00 -
[44]
Op is just bitter he got played like a fool by CCP.
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Discrodia
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.10 12:09:00 -
[45]
I didn't play this game expecting to find The Game to End All Games. I expected an imperfect experience, and that's what it is. It's also a damn bit more interesting than most of the other inhabitants in the Sea of WoW Clones. It's not perfect, but it's not total crap either.
Everything is flawed in its own way. Just like you are an idiot in your own special way. You're *****ing about how a game that you play is crap. If it's so bad, play something else, unless you're some kind of OCD fool who can't stop something he's started.
Originally by: anonymous
WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
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Outouchmatralala
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:11:00 -
[46]
If you're having gaming issues i feel bad for you son,
I got 99 problems but you're *****ass ain't one.
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Banker Miikala
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:27:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Gothikia
Originally by: Mars Theran
I quit because I realized the majority of players were of less than credible integrity, and usually much less than sober, while quite often being on drugs. Also, quite a few of them are just plain crazy, which is more of an observation than an opinion.
That's the reason I came back...
This ^^^
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Ayame Yubari
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:49:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Adrie Atticus
Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
lol wow i've seen a lot of threads of people complaining bout issues with the game.
you should see the amount of people complaining on other mmos' forums. this is nothing.
+1
WoW forums are a good place to see that Eve actually has alot going for it after 8 years. WoW causes people to whine about everything, and I mean everything.
To be fair, WoW has millions of people playing so naturally there is more complaining going on.
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.10 14:49:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Trolling does nothing.
Cancelling your account might (if enough people do it) but you're (merrily, it seems) deluding yourself if you think that your trolling is getting anything done.
Seen it work.
CCP has ignored issues for 6-18 months, ignored CSM, ignored users, which have been patched within 1 week of negative publicity.
There's a difference between generating negative publicity (which, like voting with your wallet actually CAN work) and being a sad, pathetic, bitter little troll on a gaming forum.
Again, YOU are doing nothing to change anything. You're just crying over a video game. Boo hoo.
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Darth McDarth
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Posted - 2011.05.10 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Miso Hawnee
terry schiavo at a swim meet
a cabal of talentless alchoholics
so full of **** that they rival the Vatican
gayest tactics
lowest common denominator
Wow, with all those slurs it's no wonder you got a respectful discussion on your topic. Clearly you're not trolling.
And if you're looking for an instant gratification, no risk PVP game with multiple servers EVE is really not for you.
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.05.10 16:13:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Broken endgame is broken.
*Cough* Ahem, there is no endgame in EVE, you utter moron. That is all.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.05.10 16:26:00 -
[52]
How much did Blizzard pay you to post here?
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ZenSun
Total Mayhem.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 16:32:00 -
[53]
You ate a whole wheel of cheese?
I'm not even mad, that's amazing.
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Orania Solette
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Posted - 2011.05.10 16:52:00 -
[54]
I agree with ya Op but Eve is my waiting room for something better diffinitley not something I can see myself playing for years. The training queue is lulz
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fanaka
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.10 17:52:00 -
[55]
toasting in an epic bread
plus
2/10
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Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 18:01:00 -
[56]
Eiher quitting or buying the company and having GM powers to rule other players as you wish, conquer every one till people realize its impossible to fight back and servers are empty.
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Ira Theos
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Posted - 2011.05.10 18:18:00 -
[57]
WHAT PART OF "THE CAKE IS A LIE!" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND??
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2011.05.10 20:05:00 -
[58]
Your stuff. "Create Contract". You know the rest.
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.05.10 20:36:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Mister Rocknrolla on 10/05/2011 20:36:11
Rules
There are three commonly reported rules to Eve Online.
1.Everyone in the world is playing Eve Online. (Sometimes narrowed to: "Everybody in the world who knows about Eve Online is playing Eve Online", or alternatively, "You are always playing Eve Online.") A person cannot not play Eve Online; it does not require consent to play and one can never stop playing.
2.Whenever one thinks about Eve Online, one loses.
3.Losses must be announced to at least one person (either by using a statement such as "I Lost Eve Online" or by alternative means).
The common rules do not define a point at which Eve Online ends. However, one reported variation states that Eve Online ends when the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom announces on television that "The Server is down." After you have announced your loss, some variants allow for a grace period, during which you cannot lose Eve Online, which varies in time. Note, however, that the grace period is not part of the three documented rules.
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:52:00 -
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I like your post OP.
I'm posting here before I read the responses - is that wrong?
I'm only 2 years in EvE but I do still have fun sometimes, as far as CCP being bad, well you need to get out & about a bit.
I played another MMO for 3 years before EvE & lemme tell ya, the company behind that game makes CCP look like shinning knights of the greatest truth ever!
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No sympathy for the Devil! Always remember that....
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Amber Accelerando
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:04:00 -
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Quote:
(i.e: "Dungeons & Dragons is a primary cause of gang activity.") U.S court ruling that
Douchebag
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:05:00 -
[62]
the reason i play eve online is because no other video game gives me an electric thrill like this one. people have often reported shaking hands, mild nausea, and sweating in eve online pvp. what other games are intense enough to deliver the same symptoms as malaria?
when i play Halo, i kill someone and i'm like, yay, whatever. i die and i'm like, meh.
when i play eve online, i kill someone and shout for joy. when i die i need to take a deep breathe.
this game somehow delivers the adrinaline that i can't get from any other game i know of, and that's why i play. i don't play to win the game, i play to play.
also, i don't play in nullsec because supercarriers. maybe that's your problem. don't worry, they'll nerf it soon(TM).
Originally by: CCP Shadow
The trolls have been vanquished.
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Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.11 01:10:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Amber Accelerando
Quote:
(i.e: "Dungeons & Dragons is a primary cause of gang activity.") U.S court ruling that
Douchebag
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/dungeons-and-dragons-board-games-d-and-d,news-9895.html
..never heard of Google huh?
I just used the reference as an example, as in i.e = in example. D&D and other 'Role-Playing' games have been the subject of media, political, and social-religious criticism for years.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.05.11 01:22:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
lol wow i've seen a lot of threads of people complaining bout issues with the game.
you should see the amount of people complaining on other mmos' forums. this is nothing.
i enjoy the game. if you don't... why are you here?
Probably has something to do with the fact that there are generally more people dissatisfied with any other MMO you can think of than there are actual EvE players.
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Queen Suktoogize
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Posted - 2011.05.11 01:29:00 -
[65]
God, Miso, your rack is so delicious!
On another note, I'm making plans to juggle around some alts in order to consolidate accounts and remove some RL scratch from CCP's coffers.
Never had the inclination to cancel an account before, but CCP is giving great incentives this Spring!
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