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HELLAH LAYBOOOL
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.05.10 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: HELLAH LAYBOOOL on 10/05/2011 01:34:02
We are in need of a developer that has experience in both php and mysql. We currently reside in a wormhole and are in need of a way to track our ops/scanning to pay our members.
Several possible solutions have already been looked at/or discounted:
- the new mining buddy revision - already looked it, doesn't do exactly what we need.
- there was another post in this forum for a "wormhole tracking tool" - the author trying to rent it out - he didn't respond to our requests and it needs more work.
- several other tools "claiming" to do this very thing. All have 1 thing in common, we have to change the way we do business to conform to the app. That is exactly opposite of what we want.
What we need is a web based tool to track member participation during ops, provide a form on what was salvaged, total the value and divide it equally.
There is ALOT more that we require, but that's a general overview.
Since we will be paying for it, we also expect certain other functions -
- php/mysql is a must - it's what our hosting provider allows - can't use .asp/.net. And no, you will not host it for us.
- although not required, an isk bonus is available if you can deliver authentication based on api, but login protected pages will be required.
- many of the functions we are looking for are going to be sql query driven (op reporting, member reporting, payouts, etc.)
- don't bother contacting us if you can't commit. Think this will make the 3rd or 4th post asking for this. Several people who will no doubt respond to this passed up a lot of isk for not committing.
- a certain amount of creativity goes a long way. If you don't know what padding is or can't think outside of Helvetica 12 pt., don't bother.
- we are looking for something well polished and professional. Not frames and offset fields. Slapping our corp logo on it won't cut it.
- a complete list of requirements will be given in private convo or during voice comms.
- expect to provide ingame references and/or examples of your previous work (even if not associated with eve).
- expect us to ask for things like - pages that create dynamic urls, IGB fuctions, IGB/OOG browser compatibility, member tracking by time, etc.
We have committed billions of isk to complete this project. I just don't know who to send the isk to...
If you think you can meet our requirements, then by all means, drop me an evemail or convo.
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.10 02:27:00 -
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What's a large budget? And what kind of time frame are you hoping for?
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HELLAH LAYBOOOL
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:02:00 -
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5-10b+ depending on what we end up with, and depending on size and scope, using a 3rd party is a possibility.
We would expect to see at least some mock-ups/rough designs within a week or so, this would help us and you make sure the project is moving in the right direction.
Finished project would most likely take about 3-4 weeks, depending on time committed and skill of the programmer.
We're flexible here, so we are willing to wait to get what we want. I'm not a developer, so I am unsure about how long it really might take.
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Devilen
Caldari
DOUBLE IDENTITY
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:23:00 -
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Eh I think 3-4 weeks is a little fast unless its a group of people working on it and still the scope of what your wanting is more of a 3-4 month or more project in all honesty.
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HELLAH LAYBOOOL
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:39:00 -
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If that what it truly takes, then so be it. We don't have a specific deadline in mind. However, I'm wanting to avoid a few classic pitfalls:
- scope creep (but that's really on us).
- dev's that never want to show anything cause they feel like it's never done, we'll need to see *something* as progress.
- projects that just seem to go on forever and never end.
We don't mind waiting if I have a reasonable assurance that the project is being actively worked on. Again, if my estimates are too low, that's fine, I'm not a developer, so I'm not an authority on time frames.
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Devilen
Caldari
DOUBLE IDENTITY
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:49:00 -
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i here you just trying to help as i am a software dev.
Scope creep can actually be on both sides not just the clients side. What happens mostly though is the client keeps adding features that they want and never get the core of what is needed completed.
One little advice is have someone make you guys a framework that if you need to you can go else where to get more add-on's and modules to complete everything you want to do.
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HELLAH LAYBOOOL
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.05.10 03:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Devilen
i here you just trying to help as i am a software dev.
Scope creep can actually be on both sides not just the clients side. What happens mostly though is the client keeps adding features that they want and never get the core of what is needed completed.
One little advice is have someone make you guys a framework that if you need to you can go else where to get more add-on's and modules to complete everything you want to do.
thanks for the input...and as for the framework...uh did you find our secret list of features? Already two steps ahead of you.
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Devilen
Caldari
DOUBLE IDENTITY
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Posted - 2011.05.10 04:02:00 -
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Well your list can be made many different ways then just a framework is all. It can all be hard coded and no framework what so ever. Feel free to contact me in game if your not busy.
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RaHol
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Posted - 2011.05.10 07:02:00 -
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Hi, contact me ingame, i think i have made exactly what are you looking for... Our corp is using such a tools.
RaHol
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Enu Zembasi
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Posted - 2011.05.10 09:54:00 -
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I don't see any api function that would return fleet logs or whatever else that could be used to track what people looted. I guess you could semi-do that by checking their assets in ship, but thats cached for 23 hours and doesn't say when item was acquired. Maybe if you would sniff traffic on the fleet boss account, if that data is unencrypted.
Any tips?
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Project 69
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Posted - 2011.05.10 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Enu Zembasi
I don't see any api function that would return fleet logs or whatever else that could be used to track what people looted. I guess you could semi-do that by checking their assets in ship, but thats cached for 23 hours and doesn't say when item was acquired. Maybe if you would sniff traffic on the fleet boss account, if that data is unencrypted.
Any tips?
ingame loot logger
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RaHol
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Posted - 2011.05.10 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Project 69
Originally by: Enu Zembasi
I don't see any api function that would return fleet logs or whatever else that could be used to track what people looted. I guess you could semi-do that by checking their assets in ship, but thats cached for 23 hours and doesn't say when item was acquired. Maybe if you would sniff traffic on the fleet boss account, if that data is unencrypted.
Any tips?
ingame loot logger
and whats with it? u stil cant use api to get info from that logger
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.05.10 12:58:00 -
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I am curious as to how secure LAMP - php websites are. I recently have been dabbling with Joomla-In-Eve. The word on the net is that Joomla is not that secure. And from what I have read sql injection hacking with php is a particular vulnerability.
If you was a business and was looking for a e-commerce platform would you choose a LAMP or Asp.net solution?
I am not a good programmer but I am slowly learning using the EVE api Asp.net. I really like C# as it is packed with so many powerful functions and different ways to handle data.
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Kari Trace
Caldari
Nox Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue
I am curious as to how secure LAMP - php websites are. I recently have been dabbling with Joomla-In-Eve. The word on the net is that Joomla is not that secure. And from what I have read sql injection hacking with php is a particular vulnerability.
If you was a business and was looking for a e-commerce platform would you choose a LAMP or Asp.net solution?
I am not a good programmer but I am slowly learning using the EVE api Asp.net. I really like C# as it is packed with so many powerful functions and different ways to handle data.
It is not that the technology is weak, it is the matter of the way the applications have been developed. I've seen .Net applications be blatantly insecure and faulty. It comes down to the skill of the developer...
C# is a decent enough language..just, still, .net. :/ It all compiled to a CLI at runtime but thats for a different topic.
OP: I'm interested in your project, you have mail.
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Xander Hunt
Minmatar
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:22:00 -
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Vulnerabilities exist in any language, be it C, C#, Delphi, PHP, ASP, .Net, ASM, whatever. If the coder misses something and a black/grey/white hat finds it, you're going to get notified either way, but via a polite email or database damage.
OP: I can commit when on nights, I host in-house (literally - in my home) for my corp, written a few web apps directly for EVE, written PHP apps for work (It'll be harder to show you those, but I can export to home) and I'll gladly set aside space to demo my work. I will not directly develop software on a remote box due to trust concerns (This *IS* EVE after all) and its balls slow editing via WAN. I will upload and inject the req'd SQL and PHP code. If you have a document on what your exacting requirements are, I'll be glad to have a read-over. I have TS3 we can talk on as well.
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NickyYo
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Posted - 2011.05.10 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: NickyYo on 10/05/2011 14:53:52
Mail sent ingame, i can do this for a bill or two.
Paying 5-10 billion isk is a massive overpayment for this project.
This project is fairly simple to code and shouldnt take more than a couple of days.
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RaHol
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Posted - 2011.05.10 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 10/05/2011 15:00:57
Mail sent ingame.
For just this i can do it for a bill, not sure about the extra features.
FOR A BIL??? lol i would like to see that app :) 10 bil is not enough for ajax prober tool, ajax payslips app, web-wallet etc etc... if done properly, and not fast cheap work...
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NickyYo
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Posted - 2011.05.10 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: NickyYo on 10/05/2011 20:45:49
Originally by: RaHol
Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 10/05/2011 15:00:57
Mail sent ingame.
For just this i can do it for a bill, not sure about the extra features.
FOR A BIL??? lol i would like to see that app :) 10 bil is not enough for ajax prober tool, ajax payslips app, web-wallet etc etc... if done properly, and not fast cheap work...
The OP didnt ask for ajax he simply asked for php and mysql.
This is why systems fail in the real world because developers dont listen to there clients.
Forgot to add my work,
Ive done a few things one of them being a wormhole app il upload it when my ftp is working.
Other work is this forum that i have coded for our corp.
Its not finished and its very very simple and is run of the api.
Linkage
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Enu Zembasi
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 10/05/2011 21:38:35
Originally by: RaHol
Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 10/05/2011 15:00:57
Mail sent ingame.
For just this i can do it for a bill, not sure about the extra features.
FOR A BIL??? lol i would like to see that app :) 10 bil is not enough for ajax prober tool, ajax payslips app, web-wallet etc etc... if done properly, and not fast cheap work...
The OP didnt ask for ajax he simply asked for php and mysql.
This is why systems fail in the real world because developers dont listen to there clients.
Forgot to add my work,
Ive done a few things one of them being a wormhole app il upload it when my ftp is working.
Other work is this forum that i have coded for our corp.
Its not finished and its very very simple and is run of the api.
Linkage
But you are right about the cost it would cost more than a bill.
Maybe he is perfectionist :P
But yeah - AJAX ain't required for that, if client doesn't say he needs it. I remember when my friend told me he got assignment from his college to make discussion board (and basic CMS for it) without using any SQL database... I was like "WTF?!", but then I made it using csv :-) So yeah - you can even have forums without database, all kinda cached in flat files.
I'm still puzzled as to how this is supposed to work. How such app would track what people in fleet are doing? copy&paste of fleet logs into app by fleet boss? I recon that my corp could use such app as well, but I wonder if there are tricks that could make it automagical.
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HELLAH LAYBOOOL
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.05.11 01:25:00 -
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Edited by: HELLAH LAYBOOOL on 11/05/2011 01:26:46
Thanks everyone for the lively discussion :)
Project 69 - lootlogger isn't an option - it's too buggy and freaks when two players drop/take from jetcans (at least that's been my experience).
NickyYo - just because we didn't ask for it doesn't mean it can't be used (our provider will allow it). refer to original post "a certain amount of creativity goes a long way." - this project is as much about your technical ability as it is bringing an idea that we hadn't thought about.
Enu Zembasi - we don't expect any interaction between the game and this app (maybe other than api login) - members are tracked due to their interaction with the website (click link, etc). Here we just want to track the salvage from wh ops (among other things) by using a simple fill-in-the-blank-form (it's much much more complex than that, but you get the idea).
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RaHol
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Posted - 2011.05.11 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: RaHol on 11/05/2011 02:27:50
Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 10/05/2011 21:38:35
Originally by: RaHol
Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 10/05/2011 15:00:57
Mail sent ingame.
For just this i can do it for a bill, not sure about the extra features.
FOR A BIL??? lol i would like to see that app :) 10 bil is not enough for ajax prober tool, ajax payslips app, web-wallet etc etc... if done properly, and not fast cheap work...
The OP didnt ask for ajax he simply asked for php and mysql.
This is why systems fail in the real world because developers dont listen to there clients.
Forgot to add my work,
Ive done a few things one of them being a wormhole app il upload it when my ftp is working.
Other work is this forum that i have coded for our corp.
Its not finished and its very very simple and is run of the api.
Linkage
But you are right about the cost it would cost more than a bill.
Of course ajax is required to do properly what he is requesting
How could prober tool work without ajax, refreshing page all the day to see if other prober submited a signature?
Ajax is required also on other places of code, u just dont see it :)
If the OP isnt requesting explicitely ajax, saying "i want ajax there", that doesnt means that it shouldnt be used....
I believe he wants quality and not just fast and/or cheap work...
If he doesnt require quality and price is his priority, then its nothing for me either.
"This is why systems fail in the real world because developers dont listen to there clients." --> clients mostly doesnt know what exactly they need, mate. Only in rly few cases client knows it.. He needs help of specialist to show him what he really need.
I really dont want to be *****ing on any of you, i was really just wondering that this could be done for 1 bil LOL, thats all
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NickyYo
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: NickyYo on 11/05/2011 11:25:34
Hmm you are right ajax would be needed if you wanted it kind of live, would that stress the servers out?
Sorry im pretty new to this area i know alot of php and mysql and that is it, I am still yet to leran ajax.
I would like to help out who ever gets this project for free, I just want to gain a bit of experience working with people I am a student studying this.
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Enu Zembasi
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: NickyYo
Edited by: NickyYo on 11/05/2011 11:25:34
Hmm you are right ajax would be needed if you wanted it kind of live, would that stress the servers out?
Sorry im pretty new to this area i know alot of php and mysql and that is it, I am still yet to leran ajax.
I would like to help out who ever gets this project for free, I just want to gain a bit of experience working with people I am a student studying this.
That really depends how you use it. Fetching just a chunk of data vs full reload is always less work for the server, but as an example shoutbox polling server for new messages every 5 seconds is gonna make more load than one that would refresh only on occasion - when you tell it to do so explicitly. That and client doesn't have to render whole page every time, with feels "lighter".
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NickyYo
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Posted - 2011.05.11 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: NickyYo on 11/05/2011 22:39:33
Ok heres a wormhole app i did over 8 months ago...
Looks like crap but it works.
I started to modify it but will do a full new version.
Linkage
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Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr
eve-universe.net
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Posted - 2011.05.12 09:58:00 -
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I have at least two more weeks of eve related projects in the pipe, but if you are having a hard time finding the right person for your project send me an eve-mail.
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