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Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 12:57:00 -
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I have been mulling over whether or not to teach everyone who wants to learn,how to suicide gank. Theres a few 'new' tricks out there that it make easier than ever to gank. And not your garden variety "wait for afk ship and kill it" either. I am talking about teaching everyone willing-how to gank even frigates on warp to Zero- even in empire.
I will let you guys decide whether to teach the masses or save it and host a small seminar at next Fanfest. Of course it will be unofficial and will in no way be supported by CCP etc, and you are welcome to flame, troll and do anything you like here, except turn this into a WI DOT thread
I give you my word as CSM Alternate-I will follow through with whatever the majority decides on, in this thread after 10 days or so. There are (I think) over 10,000 active characters with enough sec status and skills to pull at least 50,000 ganks before everyone in eve is negetive sec status. Wouldn't that be grand? 50K Ganks-even the Hoover Dam couldnt hold back all those tears...
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:02:00 -
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Suicide ganking for the sake of suicide ganking is lame. I've used the tactic before, but I only do it when it's worth it or in another case I discovered that it was a scanner ship.
So, yeah... even if you could convince 10,000 people to ruin 50,000 people's lives it wouldn't be worth it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:05:00 -
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Sure. The more it happens, the better.
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Rascael
Mindstar Technology
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:25:00 -
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I think it is a great concept. Even if you are against suicide ganking, learning the techniques allows you to invent new counters.
An enemy known and all that....
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Shawnm339
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:27:00 -
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Or you could just go and find a girlfriend and take your obv sexual frustration out on her
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Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Rascael
I think it is a great concept. Even if you are against suicide ganking, learning the techniques allows you to invent new counters.
An enemy known and all that....
Very good point. In fact, if there were even a very small number of people willing to give their time, they could prevent 80% of suicide ganks with current game mechanics. This method I WON'T teach anyone
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Phoenix vajaa
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.05.10 13:39:00 -
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Does it involve amarr BS. Minmatar Guns. Lots of dmg mods/tracking and a rig or two?
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2011.05.10 14:02:00 -
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The hear that the Machariel is very good for suicide ganks.
Officer gyrostablisers ensure a very high alpha, too.
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Ashley Sky
The Eleventh Commandment
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Posted - 2011.05.10 14:33:00 -
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As you perhaps know, I am already putting into practice these methods you speak of, and I approve of you teaching the unspoiled masses. Let it burn. 
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.05.10 14:36:00 -
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As I wont be going to the fanfest :(
My vote is teach the masses.
I would love to hear it, if only to know what I have to deffend against.
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.10 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Darius III
In fact, if there were even a very small number of people willing to give their time, they could prevent 80% of suicide ganks with current game mechanics. This method I WON'T teach anyone
Pre-spawning CONCORD?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.10 15:06:00 -
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no ones cares?
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Psymn
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Posted - 2011.05.10 15:23:00 -
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I once suicided a wreck belonging to a fleet member, but he was not a corpy. All it took was a low-meta faction fit machariel costing only 2 billion isk. It didnt have a chance.
Theres not much i have left to learn but thanks anyway.
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captain skinback
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Posted - 2011.05.10 15:32:00 -
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i got a secret secret that can make you 350m in ten minuets. I'll tell you how but i want to squirt my ego juice everywhere first.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.10 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Sure. The more it happens, the better.
As a person who seldom undocks, I wholeheartedly endorse this sentiment.
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FeralShadow
NME1
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Posted - 2011.05.10 17:15:00 -
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i can has?
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Jno Aubrey
Galactic Patrol
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Posted - 2011.05.10 18:16:00 -
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I would not only approve such a course, but would be willing to vote in favor of tenure for your professorial chair in the University of Random Grief.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.05.10 18:30:00 -
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I think if you really wanted to do it, you'd just get on with it.. So I call trolololol
But on the off-chance that what I type here has any effect, then no I'd rather you didn't teach everyone. High-sec is crappy enough without being subject to some kind of gank epidemic, and in the end it would just annoy people. Funny perhaps if all you want to do is grief, but it would soon get old for the rest of us.
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Shira Elan
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:00:00 -
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I vote yes
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Lithyia Theia
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Posted - 2011.05.11 02:59:00 -
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yes please, more people getting killed = more isk in my wallet.
that i think is a good thing 
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Ymirus
Minmatar
Fly Drunk
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.05.11 03:04:00 -
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One of the major selling points of eve is (for me anyway) that it's harsh and unforgiving and you are never safe once you undock.
Naturally I support more griefing, suicide ganking and generall arsehattery, even though I'm a carebear at heart.
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 03:24:00 -
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I approve of this product and/or service.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.11 03:39:00 -
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When your security status gets too high, grab a destroyer and teach someone not to fly in a pod.
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Grumpymunky
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Posted - 2011.05.11 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Pre-spawning CONCORD?
Not only does this have no effect on the majority of ganks, but if the gankers so choose they can also de-spawn CONCORD using a similar technique.
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
When your security status gets too high, grab a destroyer and teach someone not to fly in a pod.
And when your security status gets to -10, you may find that you can continue doing this virtually unhindered, and teach many many people not to fly in a pod.
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Agent8t6
Big Ghey Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.11 04:16:00 -
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I vote yes, I always like to know new methods
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.11 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Darius III
In fact, if there were even a very small number of people willing to give their time, they could prevent 80% of suicide ganks with current game mechanics. This method I WON'T teach anyone
Pre-spawning CONCORD?
Bannable.
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.11 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grumpymunky
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
When your security status gets too high, grab a destroyer and teach someone not to fly in a pod.
And when your security status gets to -10, you may find that you can continue doing this virtually unhindered, and teach many many people not to fly in a pod.
Now I'm interested. How do you do that?
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Tosser Galore
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Posted - 2011.05.11 06:46:00 -
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Just do what everyone else is doing, make a youtube.
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.05.11 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Grumpymunky
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
When your security status gets too high, grab a destroyer and teach someone not to fly in a pod.
And when your security status gets to -10, you may find that you can continue doing this virtually unhindered, and teach many many people not to fly in a pod.
Now I'm interested. How do you do that?
Stay out of concord systems, Warp fast away from the none scrambling faction police, also avoid other players(should be a no brainer your an outlaw Duh)
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.05.11 07:33:00 -
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You're not going to catch a frig on warp to 0 without either a smartbomb or waiting on the other side for him... so I'm suspecting your advice is a bit stupid in the profit sense.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.05.11 10:18:00 -
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Yes.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Darius III
In fact, if there were even a very small number of people willing to give their time, they could prevent 80% of suicide ganks with current game mechanics. This method I WON'T teach anyone
Pre-spawning CONCORD?
Bannable.
No it isn't.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rohnda
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Grumpymunky
Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
When your security status gets too high, grab a destroyer and teach someone not to fly in a pod.
And when your security status gets to -10, you may find that you can continue doing this virtually unhindered, and teach many many people not to fly in a pod.
Now I'm interested. How do you do that?
Stay out of concord systems, Warp fast away from the none scrambling faction police, also avoid other players(should be a no brainer your an outlaw Duh)
Being in gang with a (law-abiding) leadership alt with a Skimish mindlink helps a lot too 
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Sorted
Highwaymen
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:02:00 -
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Privaters turned into an "all you cat eat buffet, giving high-sec wars to the masses"
We ate till CPP puked, it raised alot of forum whining and wardec limits got nerfed by CCP.
Dont give the game away by making the same mistakes.
Leave those with the inclination and ability to learn the finer points to do it on their own, writing a guide book will net you 15 mins of e-famebut then as always CCP will cater to the carebare whining masses. Rather than take in-game action it will be forum whining followed by a swing from the "CCP-cash_&_subs-quantity_over_quality_nerfbat".
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.05.11 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Darius III
In fact, if there were even a very small number of people willing to give their time, they could prevent 80% of suicide ganks with current game mechanics. This method I WON'T teach anyone
Pre-spawning CONCORD?
Bannable.
No it's not. The next time you want to say something, at least give the pretense of knowing your subject.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.11 17:16:00 -
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Hey you two.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1244274/page/1
Read up next time.
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.11 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Hey you two.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1244274/page/1
Read up next time.
"Discussing exploits or potential exploits is not permitted."
So that reference neither confirms nor denies that it is an exploit. CCP probably don't know themselves
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Nebarus
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.11 19:34:00 -
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Uhm.. You do that.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Tel'me Am Peur
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Posted - 2011.05.11 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tippia
Sure. The more it happens, the better.
As a person who seldom undocks, I wholeheartedly endorse this sentiment.
As a person who never sets foot in empire. I reiterate this endorsement.
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O Wren
Caldari
Argonauts of BAcon
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Posted - 2011.05.11 22:45:00 -
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Sooo after doing this you clean up with tissue and then what?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.11 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Bumblefck
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Darius III
In fact, if there were even a very small number of people willing to give their time, they could prevent 80% of suicide ganks with current game mechanics. This method I WON'T teach anyone
Pre-spawning CONCORD?
Bannable.
No it's not. The next time you want to say something, at least give the pretense of knowing your subject.
Pre-spawning CONCORD is not bannable. What is bannable is using an alt to prespawn CONCORD then biomassing that alt while it still has a negative security status.
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The Mad King
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Posted - 2011.05.11 22:58:00 -
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Teach me master
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Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.15 00:16:00 -
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For the record: The way to stop suicide ganking has nothing whatsoever to do with concord. Prespawning Concord is lulzworthy at best. I will gank on gates that have just had a freighter gank-with at times well over 100 concord. In fact-some of our best ganks came during such circumstances...The target ship couldnt cloak because why? Because he was 1500 M from a concord spawn.... One of my all time favorite ganks...
Also: Since this thread has devolved into a rules debate about prespawning useless concord, and only a small handful of people have weighed in, I think I will have to make another thread or just Go by whatever Ashley Sky says.
I apologize for abandoning yet another thread-but this time I have great excuse: I was in the hospital with cardiac issues. Seems that I had small series of heart attacks on Thursday night. Hookers and blow FTW. Anyway docs said I am physically just fine but were concerned about my mental state. The upside was I got more prescription candies.
If some really rich carebears want the real knowledge of how to stop suicide ganks-it exists and isnt even that difficult. I would sell that info for 125 Bn isk, about what I make a year part time ganking. I promise you it has nothing to do with concord
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.05.15 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 15/05/2011 01:21:31
Originally by: Ashley Sky
As you perhaps know, I am already putting into practice these methods you speak of, and I approve of you teaching the unspoiled masses. Let it burn.
I agree. Kill the game. Goons on the CSM lol Im unsubbed anyways
Originally by: Sorted
followed by a swing from the
"CCP-cash_&_subs-quantity_over_quality_nerfbat".
Yeah cause CCP is the only corporation ever that goes by this policy amirite?
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gamertrav
Trauma Ward
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.15 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Neamus
High-sec is crappy enough without being subject to some kind of gank epidemic, and in the end it would just annoy people.
Have you ever considered that high-sec is crappy because of the lack of ganking/pvp? :)
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Kenny Fookin Powers
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Posted - 2011.05.15 01:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kenny ****in Powers on 15/05/2011 01:26:49
to be honest... a lot of people talk about suicide ganking, but very few actually do it... so I don't know how much your efforts would be worth
Darius is one of them that actually do it... I wish I had time to do it more :(
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Malak Alraheem
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Posted - 2011.05.15 01:32:00 -
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As one of the unwashed mass that seems to screw it up on a regular basis, I find myself thirsty, kneeling before the fount of knowledge, ready to drink in the knowledge.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.05.15 02:44:00 -
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I see you kneeling before something....
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Darius III
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.15 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: gamertrav
Have you ever considered that high-sec is crappy because of the lack of ganking/pvp? :)
This is, I think, the best post I have ever read on the Eve-o forums. 11/10
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.15 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: gamertrav
Originally by: Neamus
High-sec is crappy enough without being subject to some kind of gank epidemic, and in the end it would just annoy people.
Have you ever considered that high-sec is crappy because of the lack of ganking/pvp? :)
Than it's good that New Eden doesn't just consist of high sec 
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2011.05.15 07:11:00 -
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Darius III fanclub reporting in.
Suicide ganking should be mandatory etc etc
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