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CCP Fallout	Posted - 2011.05.11 13:51:00 - [1] CCP Loktofeit's newest dev blog discusses some recent changes to our Buddy Program, including the newest experiment: PLEX for Buddy Reward program. Read all about it here. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Mr LaForge	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:03:00 - [2] First. This looks interesting.
Demon Azrakel Gallente Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:15:00 - [3] Two links on login screen are **ed up: https://https//secure.eveonline.com/Marketing/Buddy/Default.aspx and http://www.http.com//www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=907 That, or the new firefox is total **...

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:20:00 - [4] Demon, I messed up, but it's fixed now :) Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

POS Trader	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:23:00 - [5] Sounds like a good idea. Basically, 1. Get a buddy to join the game 2. Get a PLEX 3. Give the PLEX to your buddy and be BFFs or Use the PLEX (current incentive) or Sell the PLEX or Haul your new PLEXes in a frig during war for fun More choice is always good.
Gianath Gallente Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:33:00 - [6] Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month? Most legitimate people could probably never make good use of that many active accounts within the 7 week timeframe, but many macro-ers sure can.
Malakai Draevyn Caldari Knights Of Anarchy Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:36:00 - [7] Sorry to be a bit nit-picky, CCP..... but the T's and C's popout has a bit of an error : Each paying account is restricted to ##NumInvites## Buddy Program invites per month. Oops :p ..:: MD ::..
Skaarl	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:53:00 - [8] lol so idiotic anom nerf leads to fewer accounts, leads to having to pay massivly to write good "interviews" as advertisement, leads to having to come up with some other way to scam people to invite new people to an 8 year old game. go team BFF, best devs ever!
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:59:00 - [9] I approve of more PLEX supply, dropping their price. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:03:00 - [10] Very interesting, and nice change. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'


Capt Nogo	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:06:00 - [11] I'm liking this option. Being a paying player, the 1-month extension always messes up my paying cycle that I have in place. PLEX gives me the option for adding to my in-game wallet (which needs boosting over my out-of-game wallet...but not by much).
Mike deVoid Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:17:00 - [12] So every account can start 10 new alt accounts - each with 51 days training time. That's a lot of suicide ganking alts, cyno alts, spy alts, corp theft alts, etc. I think you can even train a scrub drake alt in that time.... Because they give you 10 PLEX for these accounts, you can buy 1 PLEX from the market. Then activate the first account with that and then chain activate the rest with the PLEX you are given. You only have to sell the final 1 PLEX on the market - which will be practically isk neutral. So what will you do with your 10 free alt accounts each month? -----
Jimmae	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Mike deVoid So every account can start 10 new alt accounts - each with 51 days training time. That's a lot of suicide ganking alts, cyno alts, spy alts, corp theft alts, etc. I think you can even train a scrub drake alt in that time.... Because they give you 10 PLEX for these accounts, you can buy 1 PLEX from the market. Then activate the first account with that and then chain activate the rest with the PLEX you are given. You only have to sell the final 1 PLEX on the market - which will be practically isk neutral. So what will you do with your 10 free alt accounts each month? Why stop there? As I see it each of those 10 alts can make another 10 alts and each of those... The resulting alt explosion can and will be used for nefarious purposes. After all this is Eve Online we are talking about.
Kesi Raae	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:41:00 - [14] What if you don't have any buddies?

CCP Loktofeit	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Gianath Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month? As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely.

Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:59:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Originally by: Gianath Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month? As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely. You should know by now that "monitoring" is not enough. People will do it. Without restrictions you can create unlimited activated alt accounts. Let's see who gets to 1000 accounts first? And as of now it's completely legal, as no EULA rules are being broken. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:13:00 - [17] This sounds like a fantastic idea, very good! But what exactly are the criteria to get the reward? The website says only "at least one month subscription" of the buddy. But then we can create 1-month alts for pratically free. Or is it necessary for the Buddy to pay real money and not a PLEX so that they reward get activated? That would prevent the free alt usage.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:16:00 - [18] to bad if your friend goes to gamestop and activates his game with the current or any future boxed version of eve this offer IS VOID.
realdognose Caldari Biotronics Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:17:00 - [19] Edited by: realdognose on 11/05/2011 16:19:24 Edited by: realdognose on 11/05/2011 16:18:26 Yeha, unlimited Cyno-Chars for everyone - 4free! 1.) Buy a Plex. 2.) Create an Acc through Buddy invite, activate it with PLEX, receive a PLEX. 3.) Train 5 days, and use the cyno for 47 days. 4.) goto step 2. You can multiply that process by X (where X is the number of cynochars needed) - and at the end of the day, you got X Plex left over. i don't support this product and/or service.
Pedro Carnicero Amarr Hartes Beton	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:21:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Originally by: Gianath Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month? As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely. I understood that you want to monitor that. But the question is now: Will I get banned for doing so?

realdognose Caldari Biotronics Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Pedro Carnicero I understood that you want to monitor that. But the question is now: Will I get banned for doing so? i think its "Gamemechanics"
Diamond Knights	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:39:00 - [22] Edited by: Diamond Knights on 11/05/2011 16:39:58 So, I wait until the tournament and see if they wave the $5 activation fee for the account like last year. If they do I submit and build ten accounts and pick up a PLEX for $15 each rather than $17.50?
Gianath Gallente Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Diamond Knights Edited by: Diamond Knights on 11/05/2011 16:39:58 So, I wait until the tournament and see if they wave the $5 activation fee for the account like last year. If they do I submit and build ten accounts and pick up a PLEX for $15 each rather than $17.50? There's no activation fee if you start up your trial account with a PLEX.
Tizona	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:57:00 - [24] can't help it can you guys? ..gotta keep doing stuff that screws up the game. you took a game based on Chaos theory.. ...and you're trying to structure the hell out of it. what's next? capitals and bubbles in empire?
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.05.11 17:27:00 - [25] Edited by: Raid''En on 11/05/2011 17:27:15 Originally by: Gianath There's no activation fee if you start up your trial account with a PLEX. and moreover it was always allowed to use buddy invite to create an alt account to yourself, and so having first month free. however, seems there's confusionbetween 2 categories of angry people here : 1) those who hate alts, and want all alt account to be deleted, for them this is making things worse than before 2) those who see this as a way to create a temporay alt account, for them it's the short term issues that is a problem only, the way people can create active for 1-2 months then cancel it forever not the same thing at all... would like to see what is exactly CCP position here ; what do you want to monitor here ? people using this to have 51 free days on another account ? or more than that ?
Random Womble Minmatar Emo Rangers Electric Monkey Overlords	Posted - 2011.05.11 17:42:00 - [26] Edited by: Random Womble on 11/05/2011 17:42:14 Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Originally by: Gianath Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month? As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely. TBH a solution would be just to make it that any plex activated account as a restriction will automatically only ever provide a game time bonus and never spawn a new plex no matter which option was selected. While this may seem harsh on legitimate users of this new option being trialled at the same time it provides a solution that enables it to work as a long term option without being overly abused. Better a limited option than no option at all. Oh and I do like the idea.
Iancasnim	Posted - 2011.05.11 17:53:00 - [27] Very interesting change. I look forward to lower PLEX prices as a result of increased supply.
Freckles McGee Erquilenne	Posted - 2011.05.11 17:57:00 - [28] How about a Skill Points for new buddies?
Apocil Munar DOUBLE IDENTITY R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.05.11 18:16:00 - [29] What about a fixed link tied to each account? that way people can be passive about recruiting by placing links on facebook or by making banner ads for their own sites.
Antihrist Pripravnik	Posted - 2011.05.11 18:24:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Loktofeit Originally by: Gianath Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting PLEX, but maybe I'm missing something here, but what's to stop a person from using that same single PLEX reward to activate all 10 buddy accounts per month? As this is an experimental program, we'll be monitoring its impact closely. As I see it, it shouldn't be an exploit: - That PLEX will never hit the market. It would be used to activate those accounts for the first month and disappear on the main account. - Anyone can do it, so it's not an unfair advantage over other players. - You will have to pay for those accounts after the first month if you want to continue having them active anyway. - You will have to pay if you want to move all characters on as few accounts as possible (extra revenue for CCP and you still have to pay for those accounts to stay active). But, as always, CCP have the final say here. So, please, review this option carefully and say it loud and clear if this is considered an exploit or not.

Hayaishi Gallente Aperture Harmonics	Posted - 2011.05.11 18:41:00 - [31] More Plex = More Supply = Less Demand per unit = cheaper PLEX = Happy EVE
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus	Posted - 2011.05.11 18:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Hayaishi More Plex = More Supply = Less Demand per unit = cheaper PLEX = Happy EVE Exactly! And that's the first visible action aimed at curbing the plex prize inflation as mentioned around the fanfest. On the other hand, it will be another isk faucet. And although I'd suspect most of the 25% of the total newcomers mentioned that get here though the buddy program are 2nd accounts of the same person, it's still gonna be an additional isk faucet so we all know what that will mean.
ceaon	Posted - 2011.05.11 19:19:00 - [33] in the aff program affiliates dont get rewarded if ppl pay whit plex will CCP take the same approach for this to cut out farmers and macroers ? Originally by: Danton Marcellus If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
idea	Posted - 2011.05.11 19:21:00 - [34] Edited by: idea on 11/05/2011 19:24:19 lol how can you all be such idiots.. only thing ccp is doing is lowering prices of gametimecards ingame so people wanting to build things from plexes will have to buy more of them.. bigger piece of the cake for the greedy CCP "fats=s" edit: ccp added gametimecards so people could trade there RL money for INGAME money.. this is just so ccp can get more RL money for INGAME money
Mr Krosis The humble Crew	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:03:00 - [35] Originally by: ceaon in the aff program affiliates dont get rewarded if ppl pay whit plex will CCP take the same approach for this to cut out farmers and macroers ? That's what I was thinking as I read these comments, but as I go to double-check I see that in the terms and conditions: Quote: Eligible subscription activations can be funded by Credit/Debit cards, Direct Debit, WebMoney Transfer, paysafecard, ETC, PLEX, iDeal and PayPal. Payments not eligible for this offer: CD Keys, including CD Keys purchased or received from non-CCP sources and online stores such as, but not limited to: Steam Store, Direct2Drive, Gamers Gate, Impulse Driven. -- Mr Krosis The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
Jason W0rthing	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:18:00 - [36] Amarr frigate IV, Amarr cruiser IV, Amarr Battleship III, Energy Pulse Weapons IV, Energy Management III, Energy Systems Operation I anything else anyone can think of that I'll need? I'm thinking something along the lines of this... [Apocalypse, Smarties] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] x 100 Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:45:00 - [37] Infinite cyno alts go! --- Originally by: Sporked EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Glueboy	Posted - 2011.05.11 21:55:00 - [38] I think you just created a way for players to create and own as much Quafe Zero as they like, for the investment price of 1x PLEX (which will be used on your main - so nothing lost) Process: 1. Make alt account through buddy invite system 2. Send isk from main 3. Buy Plex from market 4. Activate alt account with Plex 5. Redeem Quafe Zero and contract to main Main now has 6x Quafe Zero and the 'buddy reward' PLEX. Net gain is 6x Quafe Zero. 6. Create another alt via buddy system 7. Continue forever and ever as your main has 10 invites and so do all your new alt accounts 8. Profit.
Maldred Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.11 22:03:00 - [39] Quote: On the other hand, it will be another isk faucet. ... it's still gonna be an additional isk faucet so we all know what that will mean. PLEX doesn't add a single isk to the economy. PLEX is not an isk faucet. Adding more PLEX will not cause inflation/spontaneous combustion/cats & dogs living together/mass hysteria. It will (probably) bring down the price of PLEX, that's about it. Unless you mean some other definition of isk faucet/fountain that I am not aware of.
Charles37	Posted - 2011.05.11 22:17:00 - [40] Will people be able to ballot stuff for CSM elections using this method?

Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.05.11 22:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Jason W0rthing Amarr frigate IV, Amarr cruiser IV, Amarr Battleship III, Energy Pulse Weapons IV, Energy Management III, Energy Systems Operation I anything else anyone can think of that I'll need? I'm thinking something along the lines of this... [Apocalypse, Smarties] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb Large YF-12a Smartbomb [/b] If you use cap rechargers and cap power relays, its cap stable and never runs out of charges. Of course, depending on where you use it, it may never get a chance to run out of anything.
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus	Posted - 2011.05.11 22:37:00 - [42] Originally by: Maldred Unless you mean some other definition of isk faucet/fountain that I am not aware of. Yup.
Vuiko Tarasovich	Posted - 2011.05.11 22:56:00 - [43] solution to the problem of buy 1 plex, activate 10 alts chain style, sell 1 plex problem. require $5 to activate an account with a plex (now 10 alts will cost $50) or require 2 plex to activate (giving +60 days). since you only generate plex at a rate of 1 per alt, you can't activate them without buying more plex to start, and in the end you have a net loss of plex equal to the number of alts you made. 1 plex would still extend an activated account 30 days
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.05.12 00:14:00 - [44] Is there any official rule about sending yourself a buddy invite? I heard in the past that it was allowed.... certainly there were no statements explicitly against it in any of the description text. If that rule were to change (or limmited) as sharing of accounts isn't allowed, if you see all of the new accounts being logged into by one person's computer (via nic card identity) it would be fair to assume that there werent' 10 people sharing the computer, getting up from the seat to login , then logging out etc. Sure that would be subjective but there isn't anything wrong being somewhat subjective, especially if guidlines of what not to do, and the punishments for the first infractions were small and only excalated to ban hammer level with repeated flaunting of the rule's intent. I don't really see how the ease of things like cyno alts has changed much. Instead of applying a plex to your own account, you can currently trade the plex you would have used to your alt account and basically gotten a 7 free week alt for what you were going to do already. The chaining might help people without the liquidity to fund mutiple accounts or desire to get that much future game time... so for things like the gifts and CSM voting etc some rules requiring subscriptions active over 2 or 3 months would easily head off the worst of those exploits. Working as intended benefits would be somone in a Clan/Corp/Guild suddenly able to send 20 or 30 invites if they had a couple alt accounts. If that person were a popular person, leader in that other game, they might prod a whole group to jump in Mass.. given psychology and friendship.. once a few jumped maybe half would "lemming" after them. That really could attract a lot of peopele in groups to eve (I jumped here from the pardus browser game a couple years ago because of a prod something close to that). While that could make popular game leader types quite nice piles of isk, 3 or 6 billion is hardly earth shattering for a player with that sort of skills, and unlikely repeatable too often ... Getting new players by the dozens could be well worth a few knuckleheads aided a bit more in making alts than in the past . --- another exploit i thought of. the mechanism is a safe way to move plex from high sec to distant 0.0 stations if you could decide where and when to recieve your plex reward. Create an account, transfer the plex to them via a high sec alt station trade, activate permaent account, redeem buddy plex in your 0.0 station. All of the use of emails and creating user names and passwords and logging in and out does take some human effort that makes many advantages gained come along with an opporutinity cost of what you could have been making in game with other activities and the same time and effort.
Shangpo The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.05.12 02:53:00 - [45] WTB Power of 2....
Amber Villaneous	Posted - 2011.05.12 05:03:00 - [46] Good try but ya can't pay me to pull a sucker punch on my friends, just trollin and waitin til my subs expire.
Jimmae	Posted - 2011.05.12 06:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Amber Villaneous just trollin and waitin til my subs expire. That didn't need pointing out.
A Little Girl	Posted - 2011.05.12 07:40:00 - [48] It will be monitored to see if it has the desired effect of artificially inflating the account numbers even more. Because we all know the 40,000+ accounts logged in at peak times are all unique people and definitely not lots of alts.
Deyionu The Maverick Navy	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:53:00 - [49] I don't see the reason for the PLEX being an offered as an option here. If your paying the account with RL money, well you get a month free (don't have to pay). If your paying for your account by isk, well you don't have to grind for the isk that month or if you have money coming in you get to spend it elsewhere now. The only new option being added is CCP basicly paying you isk to bring in someone. Now I know CCP isn't spawning isk, well until they buy PLEX to curve prices, but the item is guaranteed an isk value on the market. If you MUST offer a new option I'd rather have a new LP store with items you can buy that are "consumable" and they last from 10-30 days. Also they can't traded ANYWHERE. So lets say you recruit a friend and that earns you 10k LP (throwing out numbers). You can buy an +3 implant that increase the rate your security increases (get to positive standing faster). Maybe one that increase standing earned to corps (get to lvl 4 missions faster). Get some special ship (non combat). Basically I would like to see something that helps you in some fashion but doesn't directly give you isk without putting extra effort beyond the item bonus.
davet517 Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:42:00 - [50] Skynet has become self-replicating. Do humans stand a chance against the rise of the machines?

M1ep1e	Posted - 2011.05.12 11:45:00 - [51] Please forgive me but I haven't read all of the responses yet: Here are my comments: 1) changes to jump bridges would be completely acceptable provided CCP were able to control macro ratting. This change will simply lead to increased use of titans, so either CCP are going to have to do a lot more to stem macro ratting, especially the rampant abuse among the drone Russians (omg have you ever roamed out there? there's one macro ratter per system....!!!!), so that people who don't cheat can keep up with Titan production, or an alternative means to create a temporary jump bridge should be devised... I'm thinking here about a configurable jump bridge that, like a jump clone, can be modified once a day. This will allow reconfiguration in order to adjust for changes in the tactical situation. All in all, this change plays into the hand of those who don't really need jump bridges because they can buy Titans like Rifters.... oh wait.. who is on the counsel? LOL Now I get it. As for the other questions the dev had. Quote: * Is 0.0 industry currently geared to support the population living there? I can't see why it isn't or why it needs any adjustment. One thing that may be needed in the future is the ability to produce a supercap in a station factory and/or to produce the components in a station and allow for final production in a 1 week timeframe. Quote: * Is the relationship between 0.0 and empire balanced well enough? What is empire? Eve online is three games. (1) It's for old WOW players who run missions and want rewards with no risk (2) it's for role players who get their kicks from faction warfare and the idea that they can "win" the game if they try hard enough and (3) there is player controlled content. If it's necessary for CCP's business model then continue developing high-sec content. For those of us who live in 0.0 few have ever run missions and those who have hated it and/or gave it up when we discovered how the game was intended to be played. High sec? Meh. for the sake of CCP I understand it but for the sake of the game Concord should become a "faction" (finally a faction with some meaning). This new "Concord faction" should be allowed to anchor as many sentry guns as they want where ever they want. That would make low-sec dynamic because you can't just set up your ship to tank 350 dps and be invulnerable to sentry guns..... It would also allow for Concord to choose to make some areas "ultra safe" while other areas were less safe depending on resources and resistance from hostile outlaws. The divisions between high/low/null sec will become blurred depending on how many concord pilots there are. Quote: * Does the current sovereignty system meet our goals? Grinding sov has become more involved and holding sov has become easier than it used to be. That means making things in 0.0 more static. It also leads to two other effects. 1) The mother ship is the new dreadnaught. Dreadnaughts have lost their traditional role for sov grinding and dreads are more or less useless now. Moms and titans have taken over the sov grinding role however.... 2) Because there is no multiple "smaller ship" solution to mother ships, sov grinding has become a simple calculation of "who ever has the most mother ships will win". Cap warfare is broken. Two frigates can take down a cruiser Two cruisers can take down a battle cruiser Two Battlecruisers can down a battleship three or four battleships with a couple of logis can take down a carrier if it's tackled but it takes a minimum of 20 carriers/dreads to take down a mother ship In the old days we used to have the "dooms-day win button"... that was "jump in the titan... DD and win". That button still exists. But now it's just a simple calculation. Whoever has the most moms wins. It's that simple and that's wrong. There needs to be a new role for dreadnaughts so multiple dreads (3-4) with support can take down a mom. Tha
Sedilis Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.05.12 12:07:00 - [52] Sounds like a great addition to the buddy account system. You could scrap the play time option and people can then either sell the plex or apply it for the playtime.
Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.05.12 17:47:00 - [53] Well lets put it this way Each player can now have 10 free accounts that expire each month. because each account has been payed for. . . they count as payed subscribers therefor they get to count thoes subs as payed subs, thus padding the hell out of there subscription numbers. its a win-win-win from CCP point of view. .End of line. If your too paranoid to play EvE. . . ...then your not paranoid enough to play EvE ----------------
Fred Kyong Caldari EWH NanoTex	Posted - 2011.05.13 05:30:00 - [54] The idea is very good. I would prefer a web based code/ applet or whatever to integrate into our players website. So people could go there too and sign up to the buddy program. Not sure this is already out there somewhere.
foksieloy Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.05.13 07:49:00 - [55] Make a limit that a character has to have more than 3 months of game time remaining to receive plex instead of gametime. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M.
Kalientes	Posted - 2011.05.14 12:26:00 - [56] All this idea with plex for eve buddy program Terrifies Me Found this at eve fan forum where people are worried as me : translation: " 1. Eve player bought gtc (+2 plexes in market + 35 usd to ccp) 2. Isk chinese farmer buy plexes 3. Isk chinese farmer sell plexes for real cash ,buyer is activating trail accs 4. +2 new plexes in market- guy wanna get isk (no dolars for ccp) loop: 1. Isk chinese farmer buy plexes 2. Isk chinese farmer sell plexes for real cash ,buyer is activating trail accs 3. +2 new plexes in market- guy wanna get isk (no dolars for ccp) " So CCP lost a lot money.
Humpfgrunz Gallente Nex Exercitus Raiden.	Posted - 2011.05.14 12:52:00 - [57] Nice one CCP ! First you sht on your customers by destroying all their investitions and Anomalies in 0.0 ! Then, after you realize, that your customers just do not like to be sht on and have outright cancelled their subscription in masses, you hope to get things right with a new buddy program ! If you want your customers back: 1. Stop nerfing just everything to death ! 2. Immediately rebalance 0.0 back towards as it was before the Anomaly-Nerf ! 3. Reimburse all Corporations/Alliances the Pirate V Upgrades you made worthless ! Even reimburse the Alliances who have left 0.0 because of that all their IHUBs and other Upgrades ! 4. Publicly fire GM Greyscale and apologize for your mistreatment of your customers for your failure to give any statement to the huge amount of protests which arouse ! 5. Send personal Apologies and free playtime to all your customers (players) who have outright stopped playing EVE because of that Nerf ! At CCP, you obviously forgot one thing: It is your customers, who finally pay your salary, not your boss ! (Your boss will only pay it as long as he has enough paying customers !) I like pirates - for lunch
I'thari Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.15 04:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Hayaishi More Plex = More Supply = Less Demand per unit = cheaper PLEX = Happy EVE Where did you guys got the idea of "more PLEX"? Thing doesn't create plex... well, it does but it repleces one you used, so supply will stay the same. It'll be more like short-term spike in demand (for cyno alts and stuff.. tho people, most likely, have those anyway), then you can simply have as much cyno alts as you want for free wihtout having to pay CCP anything, hence slightly lower demand in long term. Plus creation of bot accounts have never been easier: you can have infinite number of 2 month accounts for free - more than enough for the purpose. So it will lower demand a little in the long term, hence prices might go down a bit. But not because there will be more plexes - because they will be used less. "Problem" with PLEX prices is too much isk faucets and not enough sinks: isk doesn't go out of the system -> more isk/player -> prices for "cool" stuff rising. Funny thing here: CCP wants more money (microtransactions) - people ocmplain, CCP wants less money (free cyno alts) - people complain
Dalton Vanadis	Posted - 2011.05.15 08:34:00 - [59] Are you guys ever going to bring back that, "create an alt" program? Because I really really really want to create an alt account and this seems like a nice way, but I don't want to be doing something that would bring down a bh... Confirm or deny if I can use this experiment to create me a singular alt account without the wrath of CCP coming down on my head for it. Thanks
Alice Stargazer	Posted - 2011.05.15 23:54:00 - [60] im hoping someone can answer this question: i invited my friend 23 days before this plex for buddy thing started, if my friend activates his account, will i get a plex or a 30 day extension? i have 90 days on my account so id rather get a plex.

Shigeono Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.05.16 16:42:00 - [61] Like other's have asked, is it possible and allowed to use this to create yourself an alt by upgrading the "buddy's trial account" with a PLEX? "Most of the fundamental ideas of science are essentially simple, and may, as a rule, be expressed in a language comprehensible to everyone" AE
Rasz Lin Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated	Posted - 2011.05.16 16:48:00 - [62] good job creating 10 free alt accounts per month, this will boost your subscription numbers without boosting profit, good for cooking books i suppose.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.05.17 02:50:00 - [63] >>What if I don't like the Buddy Program? > Look for more information later this year No, thanks.
Nairuhk	Posted - 2011.05.18 11:04:00 - [64] It is normal practice when creating alts to Buddy Program yourself, then start a subscription. I have done this several times. Why should it make any difference whether the new subscription is me, my partner, my schizophrenic alter ego, or my postman? It's just a new paying account. A trial account already has various limitations which prevent abuse my multi-boxers. Regards, Steve
Nairuhk	Posted - 2011.05.18 11:08:00 - [65] Originally by: Rasz Lin good job creating 10 free alt accounts per month, this will boost your subscription numbers without boosting profit, good for cooking books i suppose. Trial accounts are not included in Subscription numbers (see QEN reports for exact details), and an alt that subscribes is a paying account.
Rasz Lin Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated	Posted - 2011.05.18 15:37:00 - [66] Originally by: Nairuhk Originally by: Rasz Lin good job creating 10 free alt accounts per month, this will boost your subscription numbers without boosting profit, good for cooking books i suppose. Trial accounts are not included in Subscription numbers (see QEN reports for exact details), and an alt that subscribes is a paying account. they get activated with plex = not trials plex is returned = they are free to make
Angel of Night	Posted - 2011.05.19 13:52:00 - [67] Originally by: Jimmae Originally by: Mike deVoid So every account can start 10 new alt accounts - each with 51 days training time. That's a lot of suicide ganking alts, cyno alts, spy alts, corp theft alts, etc. I think you can even train a scrub drake alt in that time.... Because they give you 10 PLEX for these accounts, you can buy 1 PLEX from the market. Then activate the first account with that and then chain activate the rest with the PLEX you are given. You only have to sell the final 1 PLEX on the market - which will be practically isk neutral. So what will you do with your 10 free alt accounts each month? Why stop there? As I see it each of those 10 alts can make another 10 alts and each of those... The resulting alt explosion can and will be used for nefarious purposes. After all this is Eve Online we are talking about. I've already seen and talked to people who use this to train mining alts and make huge fleets to make isk... each alt will be dumped after 51 days and new one will take the its place... Imo... plex payment option should be available only to accounts, which have paid at least once with some method with involves real life currency. This would also be good method to fight RMT and prevent great part of 'grey area exploiting' happening around plex and buddy program. Think about it please, thank you. -angel
Rayford Carpathia	Posted - 2011.05.19 16:40:00 - [68] Plexes are not received until after the buddy pays for his first month's account. There is no way to scam CCP or anyone else by using this method.
Sgt Jessa Hakaari	Posted - 2011.05.20 02:16:00 - [69] I am fairly certain that the "buddy" has to subscribe before you get your free PLEX or 30 days. You dont get one for every character that signs up for a free amount of days. It is a good idea and could result in a few more players in EvE. The more the marrier I say. portrait info: was holding this position for too long while the dang camera guy was setting up to snap the pic.
Kara Royer	Posted - 2011.05.21 07:05:00 - [70] But, after the 21 day trial, you can activate the buddy account with a plex bought on the market, can't you? Then you get it back, so...

Tacyon Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.21 16:40:00 - [71] main page of your web site reads: "There is always something happening in EVE Online and the weekend is where the action really starts hotting up. Why not invite a buddy to come and try EVE this weekend? Not only will your friend get 21 days of game time, but we will also reward you with 30 days of game time or a PLEX, once that buddy converts." I'd like to sign up for some of that weekend "hotting up" I'm not sure what it entails but anything that occurs over the weekend and evolves "hotting up" sounds like a freaking blast to me. [ehm, I think that would be "heating up"] My god .. it's full of stars !
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.05.21 22:02:00 - [72] i'm surprised by the MODT and so on off site ; do we got somethign special this weekend, or it's just the previous ad from 5 days ago that you forgot to add before ?
Bicc Bum	Posted - 2011.05.22 00:05:00 - [73] So if my buddy buys his account CD-Key on Steam (They are having a sale right now, just $5 for a key), creates the account with my buddy invite. Then activates the buddy account with that CD-Key, then adds a subscription; will I still get the PLEX? Or does the CD-Key have to be purchased directly from CCP.
Leaf Blossom	Posted - 2011.05.22 10:27:00 - [74] I don't seem to be able to see where i enter friends e-mail adress and click submit. Is it only open at certain times ?
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.05.22 19:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Leaf Blossom I don't seem to be able to see where i enter friends e-mail adress and click submit. Is it only open at certain times ? go to account management and search buddy program icon.
lokival	Posted - 2011.05.22 19:22:00 - [76] Okay, for the people not seeing how it can be taken advantage of, here it is. I refer myself an account I pay for the account, lets call it freebie1 with a plex freebie1 has 51 days, I get a plex Freebie1 refers freebie2 an account I give freebie2 my free plex Freebie2 has 51 days, freebie1 gets a plex Repeat for as long as you like. As for where to find buddy invites, just log into your account management, and it's there. CCP has yet to post here, on their page whether we are or are not allowed to do this without violating terms of service, but I don't see how it would be. You aren't breaking any rules. Loki
Vierego	Posted - 2011.05.23 03:29:00 - [77] I think I know their plot A. number inflation for stock holders. B. They don't care about screwing up the quafe zero market, as to them it was a present and if it crashes so what. I also expect that during incara there will be a ingame store, like SOE has, where you can buy stuff like this. C. Even if you do make 10 billion accounts, you might find that you can reasonably run 4 and make a profit to justify plexing them again. Even if you do throwaways, it still takes about 40days optimized to use a hulk, giving you 10 days of mining time....Or I can just keep that hulk pilot, and keep going. Now their actual subscriber numbers have increased. I know this happened to me when I RoF myself way back when before plex. I ended up with 5 perma accounts. D. Even if you use them to suicide gank/mine/pi that requires skillbooks,loosing ships, ect which are all isk sinks. For instance, in skillbooks alone it cost 29m. E. High potential for an increase of new players. After a certain amount of alts you realize that you can only use so many of them reasonably, and then you start talking to yourself via alts. So, wanting to gank bigger stuff/ go locsec roam/nulsec/ect you invite other people. and, since it cost neither one of us anything, and (currently) the new player starts off with an easy 25m selling the Quafe Zeros. You now have A new player with enough isk to have some "fun" and not have to struggle and grind to keep their head above the water who also has a friend ingame to keep him company. I myself literally went down my steam list,facebook list, and offered to the people at my local cybercafe free accounts and got about 10 people myself. Since they are all new, and all know me, we all formed a sort of group with me imparting what little I know, them grouping together/ect. Since there are social aspects to keep playing besides just that 1 friend who invited them. Thus more then likely at least a couple of them will actually stay. F. This also makes me believe that their bot scanning program is working, and working well. As I have to hope they foresaw this possibility for chaining accounts. I buy mission loot in bulk at above buy order prices! (sinq laison)

CCP Zymurgist Gallente C C P	Posted - 2011.05.23 16:54:00 - [78] The following comes from our Customer Support Department: Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to: farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us

Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.05.23 17:30:00 - [79] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 23/05/2011 17:33:13 Originally by: CCP Zymurgist The following comes from our Customer Support Department: Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to: farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes. FFS your new system is basicly just an open invitation for such abuse and maybe 5 to 15 % of users will ever even know about your little forum announcement. As long as your system allows the creation of infinite free full accounts with a single PLEX, you're going to have to get used to people constantly using the system to create throwaway accounts and using them for purposes they would never risk a main account for and for botting/RMT. I suppose it allows you to inflate some numbers with hot air, but it really isn't doing any good for the game.
Albrecht Gernsback	Posted - 2011.05.25 01:17:00 - [80] Edited by: Albrecht Gernsback on 25/05/2011 01:18:06 Originally by: Leaf Blossom I don't seem to be able to see where i enter friends e-mail adress and click submit. Is it only open at certain times ? I was viewing the apge with Compatibility View on, and it failed to display the button to send an invite in IE 8 - I turned that off and the button came right up.

Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.06.01 02:01:00 - [81] Experiment is over? There is no news item about this
Sgt Sully	Posted - 2011.06.01 22:07:00 - [82] I was wondering, I made a trial account with the intention of upgrading(hes going to be my industry/minner). Is there any way to upgrade from the 21 day free trial and instantly get the plex? or will i have to wait a full month no matter what?
Amberlamps	Posted - 2011.06.05 06:18:00 - [83] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes. So tell me Zym, what is the definition of "Grief-play" and if it is so frowned upon why is it allowed to happen on a long running activate account. I for one enjoy the "emergent gameplay" but griefing someone for 51 days then leaving the account to make a new character is just that and to me is well within the rules. That player has a bad name and is therefore seen as a danger, it would only be logical to take an alternative path. The rules are so vague and the game allows this sort of "abuse". Either stop griefing all together or completely allow it, not both.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.06.06 07:39:00 - [84] Originally by: Amberlamps So tell me Zym, what is the definition of "Grief-play" Coding without concept and accusing customers of doing what had been actually been offered is my definition of "grief". From my perspective: Buddy program is a minefield. Stay away from it to minimize your chances of getting yourself banned by CCP. Don't invite people, be on the safe side.
Lee Anderson Eternal Profiteers	Posted - 2011.06.15 12:35:00 - [85] I think its a great idea. ------------------------------------------ My site http://www.mygamerbook.com


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