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SallyJ
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Posted - 2011.05.13 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: SallyJ on 13/05/2011 10:10:07
Just wanted some semi light-hearted what if stuff going on here..
So there's me taking an orca for a spin, as you so often do when you finally obtain the skills to do so... I warp to a nearby roid field, to find my gang of asteroid rubble hungry hulks and park up to act as; for want of a better term "pimpd jet can". Upon ship spinning i notice a tiny tiny point of rock just scraping the paintwork on the port side.. so I check the survey scanner and see an 8k lump of kernite less than 100m away. This lump of rock is like 3% the size of the orca, in theory it would be an insignificant operation to open some cargo doors and with a tractor beam / grapling hook actually pull the whole asteroid in it's entirety into the ship itself without any problem at all...
I'm curous as to why physics in game do not allow such trivial challenging things to happen.. I can se it now, scooping entire asteroid belts into capital ships - hey i can even see an amarr titan eating whole even bigger roids.
I totally appreciate all this... xyz stuff about balance, industry consequences etc etc - and that actual ship sizes are not representitive of mass etc.. but hey, in space mass is inconsequential 
...anyway back to it, have some processed ore to transport back to a station. But wouldn't it be nice though!
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.05.13 11:02:00 -
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Would read again.
You must be bored.
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Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.05.13 11:04:00 -
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 Originally by: SallyJ
but hey, in space mass is inconsequential
Not in eve, where mass determines both jump fuel usage, as well as agility and the speed boost gained from prop mods.
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Ruiner Drudge
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Posted - 2011.05.13 11:07:00 -
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It would be an inefficient use of space.
Then again, a Mammoth is longer than an Orca, but fits inside, I guess they jam it in at an angle.
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SallyJ
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Posted - 2011.05.13 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: My Postman
Would read again.
You must be bored.
I am, it's spinning orcas or making posts worthy of awards!
Always been intreagued how a ship 100x the size of something else, is not able to interact with it the same way as say a dog vs ant.. a dog would eat an ant without realising it if it was on its food.. Cant see why a tiny tiny interceptor for example, cannot be swallowed up and scooped to a drone bay of a Dominix whilst webbed / scrambled etc etc..
It would be totally unfair, but absolutely possible in regards to physics! but what in eve is fair I ask  (or even absolutely possible in theory and physics, yet impossible in eve mechanics).
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Sun Yin
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Posted - 2011.05.13 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: SallyJ
but hey, in space mass is inconsequential
You just made science cry. |
SallyJ
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Posted - 2011.05.13 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Yin
Originally by: SallyJ
but hey, in space mass is inconsequential
You just made science cry.
I'm prtty sure mass only interacts with other bodies of mass producing some form of gravitational awareness.. In deep space, the gravitational mass of a lone object is almost perfectly inconsequential without another gravitational object to directly interact with, and even then, a man made object will have an insignificant quantity of mass to influence anything of relevance (other than interstellar gasses etc).
Eve makes science cry!
A small interceptor would in physics perform a fraction of a percent better compared to say something the size of a cruiser.. Only within gravitational influences of a densely atmospheric planet would we see the differences in performance of an interceptor vs cruiser the way eve treats them...
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Sun Yin
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Posted - 2011.05.13 12:50:00 -
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You're so cruel to it. I'm about to call protective services. |
SallyJ
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Posted - 2011.05.13 12:55:00 -
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.. you cant do that!
the political correctness brigade will come along and petition Brussels to make more EU regulations against EVE!!
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Srioghal moDhream
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Posted - 2011.05.13 16:09:00 -
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Think how much damage those guns would from the inside of the ship.
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2011.05.13 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Srioghal moDhream
Think how much damage those guns would from the inside of the ship.
Couldn't. Rapped by those hordes of drones.
@op
is a lot more unrealistic when you know you can pown Battleships with T2 frigs, but hey it's Eve!
The Nyx has a few kilometres but side to side he's just bigger than the Hyperion, yes it's ridiculous but Eve's harsh (with physics and science)
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Florence Valentine
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Posted - 2011.05.13 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Yin
Originally by: SallyJ
but hey, in space mass is inconsequential
You just made science cry.
Indeed, little Johny Inertia is blubbing in the corner.
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Dharken Rhaal
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.13 21:37:00 -
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CCP owns the world of Eve, so they can put any mechanics in and back it up with some stories if they would bother to imagine those. They have some stories by the way. Faster-then-light communications, jump gates, what's else?.. So, your "17th" century physics is way too outdated in their sci-fi universe. :)
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.13 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: SallyJ
Eve makes science cry!
While this may be true, in regards to mass "not mattering" you are absolutely incorrect. You have probably never defined mass correctly due to not ever having a decent physics class. The most accurate definition of mass would be "resistance to acceleration."
That is, no matter how or where the object is, the more massive the object is the harder it is to accelerate. To say that mass does not matter make physics cry.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.14 00:38:00 -
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Mass matters greatly. Especially in space.
It takes more force (and thus fuel) to accelerate a more massive object. And changing direction is even more difficult.
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Telchin Dai
Amarr
TarNec
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Posted - 2011.05.14 10:31:00 -
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Never mind science crying, Newton is spinning in circles!
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Rumplefink
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Posted - 2011.05.17 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Yin
Originally by: SallyJ
but hey, in space mass is inconsequential
You just made science cry.
This
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.05.20 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: SallyJ
.. you cant do that!
the political correctness brigade will come along and petition Brussels to make more EU regulations against EVE!!
Ssshhhh, donŠt awake the dragon!
As long as they are regulating the size and form of cucumbers and bananas they are too busy to look for other playgrounds.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:51:00 -
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It's not physics, you would be concorded for stealing asteroids.
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Nikki Sanderson
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: SallyJ
I'm prtty sure mass only interacts with other bodies of mass producing some form of gravitational awareness.. In deep space, the gravitational mass of a lone object is almost perfectly inconsequential without another gravitational object to directly interact with, and even then, a man made object will have an insignificant quantity of mass to influence anything of relevance (other than interstellar gasses etc).
Too bad that EVE takes place inside solar systems and not in deep space, though
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.05.20 18:57:00 -
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Um... Sally?
F = M * A
E = M * C^2
Mass matters.
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