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Ssagat
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Posted - 2011.05.13 11:57:00 -
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Currently sisi is owned by the ones in supercapitals. (DDIFI) There is no reason what so ever to log in, go to an FFA, almost everytime there is 20 supers sitting there instapopping everything. I'm usually not so upset about these things, But I miss the old sisi, where the ffas had a restriction. And was not ruled by a corp rather the. Ccp
No I'm not mad, I'm just slightly crossed
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Decorum'Est
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Posted - 2011.05.13 19:00:00 -
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I know that singularity is for testing builds and so does Ssagat (both long time users of singularity) but before the change in rules the FFA's were actually relatively fun and good for player testing. So what if it wasn't at all like a TQ environment, it's never going to be no matter what you change.
Anyway just +1'ing Ssagat's quiet plea for a return to the old rules.
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Alexis Prey
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Posted - 2011.05.13 22:03:00 -
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Yes,
How can I test different loadouts when I always get insta killed?
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Colonel Vlad
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Posted - 2011.05.13 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Colonel Vlad on 13/05/2011 22:54:50 Go to a different system? Problem solved. The devs and staff have better things to do than babysit a system on the test server. Exscuses like other systems not being FFA works in your favour, just invite either random ppl or friends there and you will be all set. If you are being popped in FFA or in that system.... The solution is simple....
GO TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!
Worked for me. Works for everyone else. Works for you too. Dont make exscuses, just do it.
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Decorum'Est
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Posted - 2011.05.13 23:10:00 -
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You don't seem to understand, of course we can go to a different system but the change in rules made it this way. The old system wasn't broken and there was no need to babysit. 1 or 2 public bans a month would have kept most in line and they could have just ignored the rest like they were doing.
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Alexis Prey
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Posted - 2011.05.14 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Vlad Edited by: Colonel Vlad on 13/05/2011 22:54:50 Go to a different system? Problem solved. The devs and staff have better things to do than babysit a system on the test server. Exscuses like other systems not being FFA works in your favour, just invite either random ppl or friends there and you will be all set. If you are being popped in FFA or in that system.... The solution is simple....
GO TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!
Worked for me. Works for everyone else. Works for you too. Dont make exscuses, just do it.
Your soluation is an easy quick fix. That's what I and likely what everyone else is doing now. The reason He's posting here, and were agreeing though, is becasue we would like to see change? Not just a quick bandaid fix. Also, no need to get so excited using all caps. It just makes you look like an impulsive fool.
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Ssagat
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Posted - 2011.05.14 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Vlad Edited by: Colonel Vlad on 13/05/2011 22:54:50 Go to a different system? Problem solved. The devs and staff have better things to do than babysit a system on the test server. Exscuses like other systems not being FFA works in your favour, just invite either random ppl or friends there and you will be all set. If you are being popped in FFA or in that system.... The solution is simple....
GO TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!
Worked for me. Works for everyone else. Works for you too. Dont make exscuses, just do it.
so, you are saying we should leave the system? I do believe there is more people in regular ships then there is supers, if anything. They should leave. It's not like they are testing the alpha of their ship 90 times aday.
I don't want to change system or anything that stupid, I'm saying I want it like it was before.
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Izuru Hishido
Amarr Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.14 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ssagat
Originally by: Colonel Vlad Edited by: Colonel Vlad on 13/05/2011 22:54:50 GO TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!
so, you are saying we should leave the system? I do believe there is more people in regular ships then there is supers, if anything. They should leave. It's not like they are testing the alpha of their ship 90 times aday.
I don't want to change system or anything that stupid, I'm saying I want it like it was before.
Translation: He wants to see a bughunter or CCP rep online all damn day watching the FFA's wasting their time babysitting the arenas so we behave like civilized children.
Guess what, the rules were changed because CCP got sick to death of dealing with ban request after ban request, and Oneiromancer isn't even actively paying attention to the ban request thread at present. They got tired of trying to hold our hands and spanking us when we warped into a different arena in the wrong shiptype. So they changed the rules so that players have to enforce the rules.
Who enforces the rules? The group with the biggest sticks.
Don't like it? Tough. Go cry me a river. It won't go back to the old system simply because CCP got tired of treating adults like children, so grow a spine and deal with it.
Find a solution for your own problems. -----------------
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2011.05.14 16:00:00 -
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Posting in a DDIFI whine thread.
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Deitre Cibrus
Turntable Dubbers
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Posted - 2011.05.14 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Izuru Hishido
Originally by: Ssagat
Originally by: Colonel Vlad Edited by: Colonel Vlad on 13/05/2011 22:54:50 GO TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!
so, you are saying we should leave the system? I do believe there is more people in regular ships then there is supers, if anything. They should leave. It's not like they are testing the alpha of their ship 90 times aday.
I don't want to change system or anything that stupid, I'm saying I want it like it was before.
Translation: He wants to see a bughunter or CCP rep online all damn day watching the FFA's wasting their time babysitting the arenas so we behave like civilized children.
Guess what, the rules were changed because CCP got sick to death of dealing with ban request after ban request, and Oneiromancer isn't even actively paying attention to the ban request thread at present. They got tired of trying to hold our hands and spanking us when we warped into a different arena in the wrong shiptype. So they changed the rules so that players have to enforce the rules.
Who enforces the rules? The group with the biggest sticks.
Don't like it? Tough. Go cry me a river. It won't go back to the old system simply because CCP got tired of treating adults like children, so grow a spine and deal with it.
Find a solution for your own problems.
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread.
What is this sig missing? Pretty colours? -Conuion Not true! Has plenty -Deitre
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Ssagat
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Izuru Hishido
Originally by: Ssagat
Originally by: Colonel Vlad Edited by: Colonel Vlad on 13/05/2011 22:54:50 GO TO A DIFFERENT SYSTEM!
so, you are saying we should leave the system? I do believe there is more people in regular ships then there is supers, if anything. They should leave. It's not like they are testing the alpha of their ship 90 times aday.
I don't want to change system or anything that stupid, I'm saying I want it like it was before.
Translation: He wants to see a bughunter or CCP rep online all damn day watching the FFA's wasting their time babysitting the arenas so we behave like civilized children.
Guess what, the rules were changed because CCP got sick to death of dealing with ban request after ban request, and Oneiromancer isn't even actively paying attention to the ban request thread at present. They got tired of trying to hold our hands and spanking us when we warped into a different arena in the wrong shiptype. So they changed the rules so that players have to enforce the rules.
Who enforces the rules? The group with the biggest sticks.
Don't like it? Tough. Go cry me a river. It won't go back to the old system simply because CCP got tired of treating adults like children, so grow a spine and deal with it.
Find a solution for your own problems.
pretty sure you fly a super cap, you have no place here, please go away
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w1ndowmaker
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:27:00 -
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If regulating who goes where is such a problem why not put 4 acceleration gates or jump bridges at the station for each FFA and limit them to specific ship classes. Then have them land in a random area within 30km to avoid camping the landing zones(similar to how jump gates work).
The test server isnt for testing fits. If that's what you are on there to do then just 1v1 or 1v2 someone at a combat area. You dont even need to leave the system.
If the the SC's and Titans were somehow interfering with the bug testing then I could see it being a big deal. But at the moment its just a bunch of dudes with "giant" e-peens, hopefully they'll get bored.
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Comodore John
Gallente Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.15 01:30:00 -
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The whole point of CCP changing hte rules is so they didn't have ot babysit th server. Having to spawn acceleration gates then tampering them is more effort than it's worth.
Sisi is fine as is, don't like it, then leave or go to a different system because as time goes on, more and more people will be getting supers (and dying in them).
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Xynthiar
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Posted - 2011.05.15 01:44:00 -
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What people seem to be forgetting over and over again, is that with a "test" server, CCP didn't actually mean testing fits.
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Ssagat
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Posted - 2011.05.15 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Xynthiar What people seem to be forgetting over and over again, is that with a "test" server, CCP didn't actually mean testing fits.
what do you actually do on sisi? test stuff? good job being the good citizen
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Xynthiar
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Posted - 2011.05.15 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ssagat
Originally by: Xynthiar What people seem to be forgetting over and over again, is that with a "test" server, CCP didn't actually mean testing fits.
what do you actually do on sisi? test stuff? good job being the good citizen
I'm just telling you that that's the way it is, trying to insult me won't change that fact no matter how hard you try.
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Ssagat
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Posted - 2011.05.15 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xynthiar
Originally by: Ssagat
Originally by: Xynthiar What people seem to be forgetting over and over again, is that with a "test" server, CCP didn't actually mean testing fits.
what do you actually do on sisi? test stuff? good job being the good citizen
I'm just telling you that that's the way it is, trying to insult me won't change that fact no matter how hard you try.
im not insulting you, im just saying 99% of sisi is testing fits. if you were in singularity when there was rules to this kinds of stuff. you would agree, unless you are flying a supercap
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Xynthiar
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Posted - 2011.05.15 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ssagat
Originally by: Xynthiar
Originally by: Ssagat
Originally by: Xynthiar What people seem to be forgetting over and over again, is that with a "test" server, CCP didn't actually mean testing fits.
what do you actually do on sisi? test stuff? good job being the good citizen
I'm just telling you that that's the way it is, trying to insult me won't change that fact no matter how hard you try.
im not insulting you, im just saying 99% of sisi is testing fits. if you were in singularity when there was rules to this kinds of stuff. you would agree, unless you are flying a supercap
What makes you think I weren't around? I were, as a matter of fact, and no, I don't have a supercap. There's nothing to "agree" with really, CCP didn't open up sisi for your fitting pleasure, that's a fact.
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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.15 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Izuru Hishido Translation: He wants to see a bughunter or CCP rep online all damn day watching the FFA's wasting their time babysitting the arenas so we behave like civilized children.
pfftt.... you don't need any of CCP staff online to do that - simply place gate that restricts ship size, not that much effort to do it, I'm sure.
Oh, wait... people who made restricrted gates for FW must have left CCP long ago and those who work there now don't know how to code it, as happened with UI (I'd rhater belive that than all CCP staff combined having less than 2 braincells to think of some solution that doesn't involve anyone babisytting system) |
killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
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Posted - 2011.05.15 09:19:00 -
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im just grateful to able to use the test server when ever i want,all you moaners are taking it for granted, imagine ccp just opening it for mass testing only and not around the clock? then you would eat your words and you be happy to test various ships against other ships so please stop moaning that you lost a 1mill isk ship, or getting upset cos you wished that you didnt warp to '0' to the ffa beacon or created bookmarks above each ffa, or even made a safe spot somewhere in system and scanned each beacon out using d-scan to see if there's a ship of similar size to yours, can you see where im going with this, ADAPT OR DIE!!!!!
peace
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fab24
Gallente Tax Fraud Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.15 09:43:00 -
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What you forget is that most of us (DDIFI) clean the FFAs of camping carriers and dreads, and if we weren't there I think they would be camped by triage/bs gangs. I personally kill people that are ****ing other by making huge gangs... Wich make FFAs a bit more fun because of the not instagankwarpin.
Thank us. Don't hate us.
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Acktose5123
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Posted - 2011.05.15 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: fab24 What you forget is that most of us (DDIFI) clean the FFAs of camping carriers and dreads, and if we weren't there I think they would be camped by triage/bs gangs. I personally kill people that are ****ing other by making huge gangs... Wich make FFAs a bit more fun because of the not instagankwarpin.
Thank us. Don't hate us.
Confirming that DDing pods and station bowling is clearing the FFAs of dreads and carriers.
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fab24
Gallente Tax Fraud Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.15 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Acktose5123
Originally by: fab24 What you forget is that most of us (DDIFI) clean the FFAs of camping carriers and dreads, and if we weren't there I think they would be camped by triage/bs gangs. I personally kill people that are ****ing other by making huge gangs... Wich make FFAs a bit more fun because of the not instagankwarpin.
Thank us. Don't hate us.
Confirming that DDing pods and station bowling is clearing the FFAs of dreads and carriers.
Do you have a titan? Do you have a mother ship? Do you even know how bored you can be when you are in these ships? Titans are pretty much the only ships that can do bowling, and what's more epic than dding a pod?
Cloak in ffa2 and let fraps run and go afk. Come back at the end of the day to see all the capitals we cleaned.
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Flying Apocalypse
Amarr Fracture. Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.05.15 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: fab24
Originally by: Acktose5123
Originally by: fab24 What you forget is that most of us (DDIFI) clean the FFAs of camping carriers and dreads, and if we weren't there I think they would be camped by triage/bs gangs. I personally kill people that are ****ing other by making huge gangs... Wich make FFAs a bit more fun because of the not instagankwarpin.
Thank us. Don't hate us.
Confirming that DDing pods and station bowling is clearing the FFAs of dreads and carriers.
Do you have a titan? Do you have a mother ship? Do you even know how bored you can be when you are in these ships? Titans are pretty much the only ships that can do bowling, and what's more epic than dding a pod?
Cloak in ffa2 and let fraps run and go afk. Come back at the end of the day to see all the capitals we cleaned.
don't forget all the ships that are smaller than the capitals that you guys attack and DD with love =/ if you would just do your "job" right and only attack the capitals in ffa2-4 i think alot less people would be annoyed by you guys.
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Brimstone Biker
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Posted - 2011.05.15 13:39:00 -
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The fact remains that the number of users in the combat system have dropped considerably. I remember when 100 - 150 users in FD was the norm, now I hardly see more than 50 - 100 users in 6C at a time.
Fact is most people log on to SiSi to have a bit of instant pvp fun in the ffa's or test out fits, POS's etc etc. Bug hunting and new build testing, although the main purpose of SiSi, is a distant objective and most people don't do it or care about it. So from that I have to conclude that the drop in user numbers is due to SiSi being less fun.
So was CCP getting more bug reports and feedback before the changes? I don't know ... it's up to them to decide which is more important to them, putting some effort into enforcing some rules in the hopes of getting more people on again (and possibly more feedback) or continue down the current road of (almost) everything goes.
I think they can get the numbers up again by doing a few simple changes that don't require any real rule enforcing or monitoring either by ccp or the player base:
1. Move cap ships one system over and keep them there. 2. Stop seeding AT ships. 3. Permanently cyno jam 6C and prevent capital building arrays being anchored there.
If people want to fight cap ships they can just form fleets in 6C jump one system over and do that. If they want to have sub cap fights they can do that in 6C. Cheers!
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fab24
Gallente Tax Fraud Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.15 14:12:00 -
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Don't forget that our caps are ships too. And alot of people attack us. Are you saying we shouldn't defend?
Also this is not a job, we're doing it cause we want to have fun too. If CCP proposed a cleaning capitals and enforcing rules as a volunteer job I'd surely accept, but we do it on our own.
We have rules in our corp, but rules are hard to respect (see sisi?).
Also I agree that AT ships should be removed from market. But also other faction ships. They are fun, but base variants are not used anymore.
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Comodore John
Gallente Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.15 16:10:00 -
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It takes a Titan ~20 sec to lock a pod. Doomsdaying pods is quite possibly the most entertaining thing you can do in a Titan
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Fortunea
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Posted - 2011.05.15 16:26:00 -
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I love how a simple thread pointing out a flaw in the test server FFA system gets turned into troll-central lol.
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Flying Apocalypse
Amarr Fracture. Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.05.15 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Flying Apocalypse on 15/05/2011 16:35:56
Originally by: Comodore John It takes a Titan ~20 sec to lock a pod. Doomsdaying pods is quite possibly the most entertaining thing you can do in a Titan
that is quite fast tbh, sure, i never get pod killed, but its still annoying if a titan or supercarrier attacks you when your not even in a capital.
edit: about your: what if they attack us. so WHAT?! they are in BS's and smaller, they won't even scratch your shield probaly, and btw, a supercarrier/titan won't even go down even if all ppl that is not DDIFI go in BS's and attack the one titan, since DDIFI is bout 1/10 - 3/10 part of local every time. or it would atleast take a very long time to take it down.
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pSychoaa
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Posted - 2011.05.15 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Brimstone Biker The fact remains that the number of users in the combat system have dropped considerably. I remember when 100 - 150 users in FD was the norm, now I hardly see more than 50 - 100 users in 6C at a time.
Fact is most people log on to SiSi to have a bit of instant pvp fun in the ffa's or test out fits, POS's etc etc. Bug hunting and new build testing, although the main purpose of SiSi, is a distant objective and most people don't do it or care about it. So from that I have to conclude that the drop in user numbers is due to SiSi being less fun.
So was CCP getting more bug reports and feedback before the changes? I don't know ... it's up to them to decide which is more important to them, putting some effort into enforcing some rules in the hopes of getting more people on again (and possibly more feedback) or continue down the current road of (almost) everything goes.
I think they can get the numbers up again by doing a few simple changes that don't require any real rule enforcing or monitoring either by ccp or the player base:
1. Move cap ships one system over and keep them there. 2. Stop seeding AT ships. 3. Permanently cyno jam 6C and prevent capital building arrays being anchored there.
If people want to fight cap ships they can just form fleets in 6C jump one system over and do that. If they want to have sub cap fights they can do that in 6C. Cheers!
Realy funny m8... that all faction ships and AT ships get seeded make the thing much more interesting... but it is hard enought to build up Scaps and only because of an amazing logistic DDIFI could build the SCaps... In the most case we clean up the ffas from caps... you remember when the last mirror starts... there was in each ffa a gang with 10 dreads and 10 caps... each new gang was killed... since we were in 6-c we stopped the perma camping caps.. also we clean up often the ffas without us after nearly 2 days of testing the ffas was unuseble because of the hugh mass of drones.
btw capital assembly cant be happend in 6-cz because you need sov for this and 6-c is NPC 0.0
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