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William Bowman
Natural Cycle of Decay
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:57:00 -
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HI there,
Been looking at PI in my C3, thinking of making some fuel for my large tower but I read somewhere someone mentioning making 2 bill a week on 3 accounts, that is about 20 mill a day per account, how is this poss and what would they be making as I set up a couple of planets than generate about 1 mill a day! lol |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:04:00 -
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William Bowman wrote:HI there,
Been looking at PI in my C3, thinking of making some fuel for my large tower but I read somewhere someone mentioning making 2 bill a week on 3 accounts, that is about 20 mill a day per account, how is this poss and what would they be making as I set up a couple of planets than generate about 1 mill a day! lol
It's not. |
William Bowman
Natural Cycle of Decay
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:11:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:William Bowman wrote:HI there,
Been looking at PI in my C3, thinking of making some fuel for my large tower but I read somewhere someone mentioning making 2 bill a week on 3 accounts, that is about 20 mill a day per account, how is this poss and what would they be making as I set up a couple of planets than generate about 1 mill a day! lol It's not.
was going to say haha, I think covering my fuel costs is about as much as I can expect, and well... fine with me :D |
Svodola Darkfury
Heaven's End League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.09.06 08:12:00 -
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You can more than cover the cost of your fuel with a barren, lava and gas planet. You should be able to make some cash with robotics bonus production as well :-)
Svodola Darkfury. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2012.09.06 08:23:00 -
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I can make about 1.5 bill in our C2 with four character but it's hard work.
A member of a large C6 corp told me he makes 9 bill per month with very little effort, and it made me sad They seem me trolling, they hating... |
Obax Bannon
Fidelis Technologies
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Posted - 2012.09.06 08:52:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I can make about 1.5 bill in our C2 with four character but it's hard work. A member of a large C6 corp told me he makes 9 bill per month with very little effort, and it made me sad
Yeah likewise in ours I would say we can make around 1/5-2bill/month with 4 toons Its pretty boring work tho |
BigWolf Omega
For The Witness Sexy Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:05:00 -
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I'd imagine it'd be pretty easy to do... if you're willing to be resetting at least 4 times a day on 4 or 5 planets at least, and thats per toon Needless to say, I doubt you'd be doing much else |
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
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Posted - 2012.09.06 20:53:00 -
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what? hard work? what is this nonsense....
I'm making 1b/month with minimal input with 3 chars. Main + second acc "main" both have 3-4 day cycles and one alt has a 14 day cycle. Only "hard work" is going inside, picking it up and moving it to high-sec to sell once a month.
Do some research, find which item sells for the most and set it up. P1/2 are good to produce and if you want to haul/move stuff around, you can make an even bigger profit making P3/4. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
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Posted - 2012.09.06 21:10:00 -
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Denal Umbra wrote:what? hard work? what is this nonsense....
I'm making 1b/month with minimal input with 3 chars. Main + second acc "main" both have 3-4 day cycles and one alt has a 14 day cycle. Only "hard work" is going inside, picking it up and moving it to high-sec to sell once a month.
Do some research, find which item sells for the most and set it up. P1/2 are good to produce and if you want to haul/move stuff around, you can make an even bigger profit making P3/4.
Well yea 1bil a month isn't terribly hard. But the OP was asking about someone claiming 2bil a week. |
Praxis Ginimic
Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians
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Posted - 2012.09.06 21:47:00 -
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Do you need a pos to make this stuff, so that you constantly need to cover fuel expenses? Or can you just set up the mods to produce & store goods for sale?
Edit: im not sure any of that made sense. I don't really know what im talking about |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:37:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:Do you need a pos to make this stuff, so that you constantly need to cover fuel expenses? Or can you just set up the mods to produce & store goods for sale?
Edit: im not sure any of that made sense. I don't really know what im talking about
You don't need a POS to do PI. But generally you need a POS to effectively live in a wormhole |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:05:00 -
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Not doing PI in a lower class WH is like leaving all those delicious wild strawberries rot in the ground. Two characters, 1-1.2bil/month. Setup does require daily attention (5-10min), but maybe that's just because I'm bad and/or don't mind doing PI, I like those planets and little bit of balancing planning.
Oh and that 2bil week is certainly possible with 3 accounts- it's nine characters. It does depend on your planets, not all systems are equal. And even if you might have good planets, one of them might suck for the resource you need, gimping your output.
Anyway, it's like free isk, and I'll take a free T3 or two plexes per month, tyvm :)
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:37:00 -
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Roime wrote:Oh and that 2bil week is certainly possible with 3 accounts- it's nine characters. It does depend on your planets, not all systems are equal. And even if you might have good planets, one of them might suck for the resource you need, gimping your output.
Yea I guess. When I read that I see it said accounts but I had it stuck in my head 3 characters.
I really need to get my PI going again. It is pretty easy isk overall. I'm just so damn lazy. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:40:00 -
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Roime wrote:Not doing PI in a lower class WH is like leaving all those delicious wild strawberries rot in the ground. Two characters, 1-1.2bil/month. Setup does require daily attention (5-10min), but maybe that's just because I'm bad and/or don't mind doing PI, I like those planets and little bit of balancing planning.
Oh and that 2bil week is certainly possible with 3 accounts- it's nine characters. It does depend on your planets, not all systems are equal. And even if you might have good planets, one of them might suck for the resource you need, gimping your output.
Anyway, it's like free isk, and I'll take a free T3 or two plexes per month, tyvm :)
I must be producing the wrong thing if you get 1-1.2 bill a month with 2 characters. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1147
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Posted - 2012.09.07 11:41:00 -
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Full 12 planet setup feeding two advanced factories pumping out p4 24/7. My setup might not be optimal (no spreadsheets were harmed in the planning process!) , and some other wh system might have a planet composition that can produce better p4, so I believe it's possible to make even more.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:38:00 -
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Roime wrote:Full 12 planet setup feeding two advanced factories pumping out p4 24/7. My setup might not be optimal (no spreadsheets were harmed in the planning process!) , and some other wh system might have a planet composition that can produce better p4, so I believe it's possible to make even more.
Well that explains it The WH I am in lets me do 2 Tier 2's and a few rubbish T3 and no T4's. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
545
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Posted - 2012.09.07 14:37:00 -
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PI is for people who dont know how to run sites, just saying. |
Angsty Teenager
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:35:00 -
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PI doesn't seem worth it to me. I mean,10 minutes of work per day per character (including logging in, warping, setting up the planet, etc...), and assuming you use 3 characters and make 2bil/month, you end up making 133mil/hour.
That's not really worth it considering that you have to waste 3 character slots and it actually requires thinking.
Unless you actually like the PI minigame, lololol. |
Marsan
Production N Destruction INC.
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:46:00 -
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Now that's just stupid. A smart wspace dweller knows to max his income out by doing PI, sleeper sites, and select gas sites. Even with PI skills at 4, doing 2 day cycles, only producing tier 2 goods I make 50-100M isk a week with about 20 minutes of my time per character*. All of that time would have been wasted any as I was waiting for a fleet to form, or a hole to be scanned down. Hell I'm in the process of full train up my main characters on my accounts full for PI, and then training another set of PI alts. I figure I'll be making 200-400M for an hour of work per week when I'm done.
*Notes- - I don't pay PI taxes - I have a nice mix of planets - I forget for restart my extractors a lot. - I'm not an expert at PI, and frankly don't care enough to do it well. |
Denal Umbra
Coffee Hub
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:13:00 -
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mhmhmhhhh...
PI _IS NOT_ a lot of work at all.
Set up a few planets producing p2, reset once every few days (i do them every 3-4, one toon every 14 days) and empty it out at the end of the month or when the launchpads are filled. Minimal effort but still a decent profit.
If you want to be major active and make a bigger buck then yes. Actively moving p1 to a manu planet or making p3/4 is worth it but for completely passive, minimal input p2 is the best.
As for the 2b, it is very much possible even w.o. having to spend a LOT of time every day.
As for numbers...
~500m from the main who has ccu5, 3 p2 on each planet, 5 planets ~400m from the "second main" who has ccu4, 2 p2 on each planet, 5 planets ~100m from the alt who has ccu3, 1 p2 on each planet, 4 planets
You can have 2 alts making 200m for a twice a month loging in and emptying their pi out once every 3 months + the main whos reseting takes at most 2-3 minutes with the new pi system to make 500m+.
Sure the sleeper sites pay more, but the convenience of setting up and emptying out pi in wh space is just too good to pass up. |
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William Bowman
Natural Cycle of Decay
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:50:00 -
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thanks for all the info guys! well i better get stuck in then haha, the whole I am in has the NPC customs so i am going to pop those then see what I can get out of it..
I think ill start with my fuel, to start with that is, interesting idea about the alts feeding into an account making p4 though! considering this once I have POCOs up.
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Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.09.10 10:22:00 -
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Trying to make P4 products is a waste of time and effort and does not yield you as much profit as making P2's that yield the highest profit per unit cycle. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2012.09.13 07:03:00 -
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I use multipul accounts in my C3 specifically for PI, though i can't give you exact figures on my income, its a crap-load. Though i've my planets setup to mostly extract, with a few dedicated factory planets to convert everything up to P4 level. When in full flow, i can make 12 of each P4 material per day.
With POCOs setup as well you can really start printing that isk!
Sure is alot of clicking mind, defiantely not everyones taste. |
Ryanis
EVE Log
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Posted - 2012.10.04 12:30:00 -
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If you have 3 accounts, it can mean 3 toons per account with max skills, meaning 6 planets per toon for a total of 6x3x3=36 planets.
If the WH has good PI, I go with 150M / planet / month (with only one restart per day on each planet) : 150M x 36 planets = 5.4b / month.
That's with perfect skills and no import/export tax.
So 2b per week seems to me really high... even if you are continuously monitory and tweaking it.
BUT, it does not mean PI is not worth it : I have an account with 3 lvl4 PI toons wich can generate a good cash ammount and I monitore it daily or more often each 2 days(it should be enought to pay.
Pink Marshmellow wrote:Trying to make P4 products is a waste of time and effort and does not yield you as much profit as making P2's that yield the highest profit per unit cycle. => That's totally true in WH. |
Fish Alabel
A Big Enough Lever Numquam Ambulare Solus
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Posted - 2012.10.04 17:37:00 -
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Ryanis wrote:If you have 3 accounts, it can mean 3 toons per account with max skills, meaning 6 planets per toon for a total of 6x3x3=36 planets.
=> That's totally true in WH.
6*3*3=54
anyway i think pl is a good passive income and i do enjoy to earn isk while i am offine |
Ryanis
EVE Log
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Posted - 2012.10.05 07:41:00 -
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Fish Alabel wrote:Ryanis wrote:If you have 3 accounts, it can mean 3 toons per account with max skills, meaning 6 planets per toon for a total of 6x3x3=36 planets.
=> That's totally true in WH. 6*3*3=54 anyway i think pl is a good passive income and i do enjoy to earn isk while i am offine
Corrected, sorry for the error. And the conclusion is quite different : 2b/week seems doable, even if I think that managing 54 planets daily is quite long and boring. |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.10.05 10:29:00 -
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5 planet P4 makes you about 450-600M (depending on how often you can be bothered to restart the extractors) a month quite easily on a single character set up. The drawback is that you generally need to haul in one of the components, but that's easily covered on the same trip you use to haul out the end products. You don't need that much of the p1 products anyway.
All you need is 4 extraction planets with each pushing two separate P1 products out from 3 factories, and a single factory planet that does the rest. |
LordAssasin
Tz Industries AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2012.10.05 12:48:00 -
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I am a PI master...i have taken this into the automated zone. Basicaly is how much time you have. So lest take 3 Bill isk /30 you get that you need to make 100 mils a day to obtain that figure. Now the more accounts you have the more time you will spend. I have 6 and i spend like 2 h every 2 days...after all process is automated..The most important thing is like this is the extraction. Now what you do from here is interesting. I always go for more extraction then combining...this goes withaut saying that on every planet i have a extractor with 10 heads and a minimum of 4 basic industry. Now then depending on how much you extract for 3 bil a month you need at list a 1.2 mil p0 extract in order to power the 4 basic industy 24/7(48 h extractor shifts). Going further this 4 povide one of the ingredients of the next 4 advance building lets say mechanical part, well part of it is providede by the extractor and part of it you import it. This beeing said every planet of the 35 planets i have are part extractor part part combiner. This for sure is super redundand...but i never run out of material:) in fact damn it with every move i leave like a full hangar of Pi . SO get out ther make some PI happen.:) But first put your poco on...then do the math...how much time you have ...and from experience go for time and confort..meaning put anoter launch pad instead of a basic industry...try to calcule that you put stuff for processing only 2 times a week..and it will not feel like a click fest...if you like it thumbs up and give me a reply so we can see how we can improve your PI:)later
Ah end P4 is the absolute way to go in terms of space ...you need to move your stuf any way..why not move it in stile...lets say 48 units of p4 take 4800....to obtain this you must have 95 040 space ...so thinc about this...the higher you get the lower the space:) and imagine the cost reduction in tax:) 0 tax:) |
Kisogo Magellin
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.07 23:22:00 -
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1. Do one month of PI w/ 2 chars, make 1-2b 2. Invest said money into station trading in Jita 3. Print money 4. Profit (If it wasn't already obvious) ._. |
slave-001
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.17 09:23:00 -
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Kisogo Magellin wrote:1. Do one month of PI w/ 2 chars, make 1-2b 2. Invest said money into station trading in Jita 3. Print money 4. Profit (If it wasn't already obvious)
Station trading done well is time consuming and comes with a risk. Pi however, is a quick fix once the facilities are up and running, not to mention its pretty much risk free. Obviously possible to make "much" more money in station trading. But if you just need a steady flow of a bil or so/ month, to cover a couple of canes and a bomber or two then PI is fantastic.
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