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Straight Edged	Posted - 2011.05.16 11:30:00 - [1] Agent Quality has been removed meaning that all Agents are now +20 in terms of payout and -20 in terms of access. Go forth, Capsuleers, and explore the world outside of Motsu and Dodixie. Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Agent Quality has been removed meaning that all Agents are now +20 in terms of payout and -20 in terms of access. Go forth, Capsuleers, and explore the world outside of Motsu and Dodixie. Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Infinite low sec hub choices!!
Lady Aja Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.16 12:15:00 - [2] stealth Blood raiders and serpentis agent buffs detected.
Straight Edged	Posted - 2011.05.16 12:16:00 - [3] Edited by: Straight Edged on 16/05/2011 12:26:44 Rejoice!! Party!! Booze!! Boobs!! More isk/hour!!
Commander Koen	Posted - 2011.05.16 12:34:00 - [4] Man, this is a nice update! Not only more isk/hour but finally no crowded mission systems, meaning less ninja salvagers.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.16 12:45:00 - [5] Patch day (and the Q20 agents) is scheduled for the 17th. Patch Notes. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Jack Abramof	Posted - 2011.05.16 13:04:00 - [6] thats a very good measure indeed, infinite low sec choice and no more running 5 or 6 jump to get a decent agent.
Centus Commander	Posted - 2011.05.16 13:05:00 - [7] ..EPIC
Skitt1es	Posted - 2011.05.16 13:09:00 - [8] The real question though is there going to be an increase in faction missions mixed in the security agents. I run level 4 internal security agents so I don't completely screw my faction standings and only have to decline 1 in 10-15 missions to prevent the faction hit. Now what's going to happen?
asmodian thorkrah	Posted - 2011.05.16 13:26:00 - [9] Also a Skill book price crash... I feel sorry for those who spent the LP rewards on said books.
Destamon Azure Freelancers	Posted - 2011.05.16 13:40:00 - [10] Originally by: stoicfaux Patch day (and the Q20 agents) is scheduled for the 17th. Patch Notes. Read the front page, it's on the 19th.

stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.16 14:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Destamon Originally by: stoicfaux Patch day (and the Q20 agents) is scheduled for the 17th. Patch Notes. Read the front page, it's on the 19th. Good news! The patch date was rescheduled. Which means I'm not going senile and suffering skill point loss in Reading Comprehension. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Val Karan	Posted - 2011.05.16 14:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Commander Koen Man, this is a nice update! Not only more isk/hour but finally no crowded mission systems, meaning less ninja salvagers. You get this completely wrong. All that will change is the systems used. There will be a few new systems having the most security agents, and people will gather in those. Salvagers and Gankers will follow.
Evil5am	Posted - 2011.05.16 14:51:00 - [13] oh oh oh oohohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BOY!! Lets bring forth the bots.... With so many +20 agents nobody will notice...
Langoss	Posted - 2011.05.16 15:22:00 - [14] There are 15 matar fw lvl4 agents now and 10 are minus quality. Will be LP rain with Q20 agents.
sabre906	Posted - 2011.05.16 15:29:00 - [15] Quote: Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to. What purpose does this change serve? Now if you're grinding standings for someone, you'll need their API to check progress instead of the character info in game. It's just an annoyance that serves no purpose.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.05.16 15:55:00 - [16] Interesting change. I'm betting people with currently high agent qualities will be hit by a slight nerf, and people with currently low agent qualities will be hit by a significant boost. Reasoning is agent quality becomes less of a scarce resource, and people without it get it for free, generating more LP, driving ISK/LP down, etc, etc, driving the top end of mission running ISK/hr down. Anyway. I guess its cool because whatever low sec/0.0 system I want to be in now has good quality agents (as opposed to being -14 half the time). -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.05.16 15:58:00 - [17] Originally by: sabre906 Quote: Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to. What purpose does this change serve? Now if you're grinding standings for someone, you'll need their API to check progress instead of the character info in game. It's just an annoyance that serves no purpose. This has two effects: - Low sec mission runners can no longer be pinned down to a single agent (which basically tells you which gate to camp) - The expected "agent promiscuity" would have made the screen somewhat useless (and laggy) anyway. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Goose99	Posted - 2011.05.16 16:04:00 - [18] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: sabre906 Quote: Information on a pilot's standings towards NPC corporations is no longer visible from 'Show Info'. You now see the standings information between you and the other pilot and the factions you each belong to. What purpose does this change serve? Now if you're grinding standings for someone, you'll need their API to check progress instead of the character info in game. It's just an annoyance that serves no purpose. This has two effects: - Low sec mission runners can no longer be pinned down to a single agent (which basically tells you which gate to camp) - The expected "agent promiscuity" would have made the screen somewhat useless (and laggy) anyway. -Liang They ought to spread out to more agents. Isn't this what the patch is supposed to be for? And you're not required to click on the npc standings tab. The relationship tab is not laggy, and it's the default if that's what you have it open last time you viewed someone's character info. You intentionally do things that produce lag, you get lag. There is a profession that grinds standings for traders and the like, for a fee. This change kills that profession, at no benefit for everyone else.
Kon'kwest	Posted - 2011.05.16 16:07:00 - [19] "Also a Skill book price crash... I feel sorry for those who spent the LP rewards on said books." There goes a nice little source of income I've come to rely on from my LP.
Eyup Mi'duck	Posted - 2011.05.16 17:14:00 - [20] Even better - more agents closer together, some duplicated even in the same station, and predictability re: the type of missions offered. Makes it easier to 'double up' on hauling missions, and bridge the 'time out' penalty for rejected empire faction combat missions.  Get over it!  Learn from your mistake and move on. 

Capitalist DeSandre	Posted - 2011.05.16 17:16:00 - [21] So, just to be clear, those working for internal security divisions or divisions that rarely offered faction kill missions are going to start seeing more of those?
Hambonie Caldari Local Griefers Union	Posted - 2011.05.16 17:17:00 - [22] What will this do to the LV 5 agents in low-sec will the LP increase some since all will be Q20 now?
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.05.16 17:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Hambonie What will this do to the LV 5 agents in low-sec will the LP increase some since all will be Q20 now? I expect so. :) -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Caleidascope Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.05.16 17:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Capitalist DeSandre So, just to be clear, those working for internal security divisions or divisions that rarely offered faction kill missions are going to start seeing more of those? I expect so.
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.16 18:06:00 - [25] Wait...does that mean I can leave Motsu?
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.05.16 18:16:00 - [26] CCP buffed missions after nerfing 0.0 BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HJAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA YOU SUCK.
Vorekk LowBall Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.05.16 18:39:00 - [27] Irjunen was always better than Motsu anyway. --- Join Lowball Heavy Industries. Small, focused fleets - lots of high intensity action, the EVE way.
Scorpii Orion	Posted - 2011.05.16 18:39:00 - [28] Originally by: Straight Edged Agent Quality has been removed meaning that all Agents are now +20 in terms of payout and -20 in terms of access. Go forth, Capsuleers, and explore the world outside of Motsu and Dodixie. Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Agent Quality has been removed meaning that all Agents are now +20 in terms of payout and -20 in terms of access. Go forth, Capsuleers, and explore the world outside of Motsu and Dodixie. Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice!! Infinite low sec hub choices!! Now, see how lvl4 agents close to highways to 0.0 will get new customers.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2011.05.16 18:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis Wait...does that mean I can leave Motsu? No. It just means that other people will though.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.05.16 18:51:00 - [30] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 CCP buffed missions after nerfing 0.0 BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HJAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA YOU SUCK. Yeah... I have to admit I'm kinda :S to that. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter

shakedatazz	Posted - 2011.05.16 19:02:00 - [31] Won't people just move as close to Jita as possible?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.16 19:03:00 - [32] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 CCP nerfed missions 3 or 4 times then CCP buffed missions after nerfing 0.0 BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HJAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA YOU SUCK. Fixed for accuracy. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Evozer Olacar	Posted - 2011.05.16 19:58:00 - [33] Does security status still affect rewards or not?
Leekana Gallente Digital Messiahs	Posted - 2011.05.16 20:04:00 - [34] "Team Gridlock who love to fight lag and keep hamsters alive." <3 The BIG Lottery
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.16 20:17:00 - [35] Yay so the Q12 agent I used just because it was 1 jump from my corps home system will be just as good as the high quality cluster****s in motsu, dodixie, fricoure, Gicodel, emolgarnlen, etc. Should reduce ninja salvage a bit too as the griefers will have to spread out more.
Ragnar Belaqua Gallente Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2011.05.16 21:33:00 - [36] Uuhulanen, FTW!
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.16 21:38:00 - [37] Originally by: shakedatazz Won't people just move as close to Jita as possible? That was my thought too [not specifically Jita, just as close to a trade hub as possible]. I'm thinking it might be worth it to just stay in those distant [6+ jump] systems. Sure, I'll end up spending time doing mass transports to the trade hub to sell stuff, but I'll be dealing with less lag and potentially fewer ninja's.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.05.16 23:13:00 - [38] Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis Originally by: shakedatazz Won't people just move as close to Jita as possible? That was my thought too [not specifically Jita, just as close to a trade hub as possible]. I'm thinking it might be worth it to just stay in those distant [6+ jump] systems. Sure, I'll end up spending time doing mass transports to the trade hub to sell stuff, but I'll be dealing with less lag and potentially fewer ninja's. You need to realize that system sec status still affect rewards, to the effect of 10 effective quality per 0.1 in sec, meaning that people will cluster to 0.5 sec systems that are also not near lowsec. That's a handful of agents in all of Eve. The few hubs will still be there, just moved around a bit. And in Irjunen's case (0.5 sec), not moved at all.
Super Failure	Posted - 2011.05.16 23:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis Originally by: shakedatazz Won't people just move as close to Jita as possible? That was my thought too [not specifically Jita, just as close to a trade hub as possible]. I'm thinking it might be worth it to just stay in those distant [6+ jump] systems. Sure, I'll end up spending time doing mass transports to the trade hub to sell stuff, but I'll be dealing with less lag and potentially fewer ninja's. You need to realize that system sec status still affect rewards, to the effect of 10 effective quality per 0.1 in sec, meaning that people will cluster to 0.5 sec systems that are also not near lowsec. That's a handful of agents in all of Eve. The few hubs will still be there, just moved around a bit. And in Irjunen's case (0.5 sec), not moved at all. There will still be incentive to spread out just as there always has been. ISK/LP will be higher on corps who aren't farmed to hell because they have a 0.5 agents somewhat close to Jita.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2011.05.16 23:52:00 - [40] If your current agent in a mission hub is not Q20 already, it will be after the patch. You get a buff without changing anything. So why would anyone whose agent was not already Q20 want to move to a new system?

Linda Shadowborn Gallente Dark Steel Industries	Posted - 2011.05.17 01:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Evozer Olacar Does security status still affect rewards or not? Same as before yes. 0.1 drop in sec status = 10 quality
FishermansFriend	Posted - 2011.05.17 02:16:00 - [42] Screw it, im selling this toon and buying a tengu alt. Lvl 4's now have absolutely no risk for massive, completely stable, uninterrupted reward. Exploration actually required effort anyway. if you cant beat them join them. Anyone wanna grind some standings for me?
Diamaht Nevain Gallente Avatar Union	Posted - 2011.05.17 02:34:00 - [43] Originally by: Capitalist DeSandre So, just to be clear, those working for internal security divisions or divisions that rarely offered faction kill missions are going to start seeing more of those? The mission pool for the corp will still apply though (I assume). So if you are working for an industrial corp you won't see many of them anyway. =============================== Two words: Internet Spaceships
Ryan Starwing Gallente Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.17 03:10:00 - [44] My question is, is ccp trying to get people out of sov null. nerf half of it below highsec, then nerf it more, and then buff missions.
Machete Visor	Posted - 2011.05.17 04:11:00 - [45] ...seems you guys have forgotten a key component of mission rewards - LP - have a floating value. I.e., the more running missions = the more LP generated = the more faction loot/implants = the lower price for such items. an increase in LP should cause a flood of faction items and a decrease in price, and a decrease in mission ISK/hr. Same thing applies for salvage/drops etc. The only thing that is buffed are bounties (to the extent you get more BS rewards) and direct ISK mission rewards. First movers will profit, as always, but it should equalize as people hunt the best isk/lp item and create it. I think this is a buff for pvpers... those faction items are extremely useful in PVP for getting an edge, and only marginally better for mission runners outside of WH space. Also means if people migrate in from WHs to run level 4s, increase in t3 and nanoribbons. Biggest benefit = courier bots who now have a cluster of same quality agents in 1 system... until they flood the market. I wonder, will this also help sec status? Does running a level4 Q20 mission give more sec status than a level4 Q-20? I know it helps standings... and hence POS/jump clone deployment, but what about sec status? More sec status = more hisec ganking and lowsec wars?
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.17 04:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Machete Visor ...seems you guys have forgotten a key component of mission rewards - LP - have a floating value. I.e., the more running missions = the more LP generated = the more faction loot/implants = the lower price for such items. an increase in LP should cause a flood of faction items and a decrease in price, and a decrease in mission ISK/hr. For non-tag items, the price will go down. However, the increased LP gain isn't matched with an increase in tag supply. Tag prices will probably go up, the lp/isk conversion rate will go down since you can only pass so much of the increased tag price back to the customer, but the supply of tag based faction items probably won't change. However, if new people start to run level 4s after the 0.0 nerf and because of the agent quality buff, then the tag supply might expand and you'll see a larger (cheaper) supply of faction items. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
firepup82 The Roaches The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.05.17 04:19:00 - [47] Edited by: firepup82 on 17/05/2011 04:19:14 nm
Machete Visor	Posted - 2011.05.17 04:26:00 - [48] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Machete Visor ...seems you guys have forgotten a key component of mission rewards - LP - have a floating value. I.e., the more running missions = the more LP generated = the more faction loot/implants = the lower price for such items. an increase in LP should cause a flood of faction items and a decrease in price, and a decrease in mission ISK/hr. For non-tag items, the price will go down. However, the increased LP gain isn't matched with an increase in tag supply. Tag prices will probably go up, the lp/isk conversion rate will go down since you can only pass so much of the increased tag price back to the customer, but the supply of tag based faction items probably won't change. However, if new people start to run level 4s after the 0.0 nerf and because of the agent quality buff, then the tag supply might expand and you'll see a larger (cheaper) supply of faction items. excellent point about the tag price spiking... fw buff?
Opertone Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.	Posted - 2011.05.17 04:49:00 - [49] CCP is loving us! Mission runners... We are not carebears, we are high-low PvPers, who can make cash through arms and proper equipment. good good good
Goose99	Posted - 2011.05.17 05:11:00 - [50] Originally by: FishermansFriend Screw it, im selling this toon and buying a tengu alt. Lvl 4's now have absolutely no risk for massive, completely stable, uninterrupted reward. Exploration actually required effort anyway. if you cant beat them join them. Anyone wanna grind some standings for me? I will buy an arty apoc and gank you tengu for lulz...

SexTrader	Posted - 2011.05.17 05:41:00 - [51] Does anyone have a clue whether this change also applies to research agents?
Druben Panala	Posted - 2011.05.17 17:42:00 - [52] This change also now makes it easier to pick and choose your LP store as you only need 5.0 faction standing to access ANY L4 combat/courier agent. Previously you needed 7.0 faction standing to pick and choose high quality agents.
Cornwalace	Posted - 2011.05.17 18:48:00 - [53] I wouldn't be surprised if CCP just up and moved all the agents in the patch.
Phizban	Posted - 2011.05.17 18:55:00 - [54] I am so taking my faction fit CNR into lowsec now! REJUICE! REJUICE! Sunny D and Rum, yum yum. Sunny D and Rum, yum yum.
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.05.17 19:42:00 - [55] Maybe this means there will be m0ar targets for Pirates?


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