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ceaon	Posted - 2011.05.16 13:49:00 - [1] http://youtu.be/VpZtX32sKVE i know you like this :D Originally by: Danton Marcellus If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
Netheranthem Eve Engineering Finance Eve Engineering	Posted - 2011.05.16 14:42:00 - [2] Blah. Lolz at supercapitalistic america.
Jno Aubrey Galactic Patrol	Posted - 2011.05.16 15:44:00 - [3] Higher education is one of the biggest scams in the USA today. You NEVER hear anyone in the media complain about the 15% - 35% profit margins made by universities, but look at how they go after the oil companies for their 8% profit margins. The video makes some good points (only listened to the 1st 20 min or so). Government subsidies of student loans have driven the inflation of tuition, added to the public debt burden, created opportunities for waste and abuse, and provided money to people who can never pay it back. As always when Govco gets involved with something it turns gold into cat doots with depressing reliability. Fake edit: this thread is now about cat doots. __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate.
Eolithic WithaTwist Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.05.16 15:50:00 - [4] All your conspiracies are belong to us? ------------------------------------------- ***, I'm a pick the world up and I'm a drop it on your **in' head!
Citizen20100211442 Minmatar Carebear Evolution Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.16 15:51:00 - [5] America slowly sinks into deep pile of ****
ivar R'dhak Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.16 18:54:00 - [6] Excellent red pill. GREAT find! Only wanted to have a peek at it but was sucked in for almost 4 mins, will finish watching the whole thing later. And yeah, "education" has now become blatant brainwashing and suppression of independent thought, probably the main reason why females are now a majority in college. Europe isn¦t that far behind, BTW. The somewhat recent introduction in Germany of the bachelor/masters indoctrination system, coupled with the centralization of the high school diploma test makes much more sense now. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2011.05.16 19:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Citizen20100211442 America slowly sinks into deep pile of ** Slowly? Those red and white stripes we have? Racing stripes. It's a ********** high-speed chase to the bottom my man. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.16 20:33:00 - [8] Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/05/2011 20:38:29 Originally by: Jno Aubrey Higher education is one of the biggest scams in the USA today. You NEVER hear anyone in the media complain about the 15% - 35% profit margins made by universities, but look at how they go after the oil companies for their 8% profit margins. The video makes some good points (only listened to the 1st 20 min or so). Government subsidies of student loans have driven the inflation of tuition, added to the public debt burden, created opportunities for waste and abuse, and provided money to people who can never pay it back. As always when Govco gets involved with something it turns gold into cat doots with depressing reliability. Fake edit: this thread is now about cat doots. I do not disagree with all that you say, but I want to point out all the jobs that can be done by individuals that have gone through, at most a 6 week training run, that requires Bachelors degrees in the US. The corporations and their ridiculous credential requirements increase the demand for said scam worthy diplomas. Also, I hope that you plan on starting your own business, know someone that has a successful business that is willing to hire you, or that you go into the crafts, otherwise you are going to need one of those scam worthy pieces of paper you speak of. EDIT: Added the 'requirements' in the first paragraph. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Brujo Loco Amarr Brujeria Teologica	Posted - 2011.05.16 20:44:00 - [9] Well Ceaon, I watched it, was good and entertaining. My only input is I never understood why College education in the US was so expensive compared to most other countries, this might be an explanation. Also a higher price education doesnt mean it's better either. Raises some points. Nice vid --- Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
ceaon	Posted - 2011.05.16 20:50:00 - [10] i do made what can be considered a equivalent to college in Romania and i never payed(if exclude TAX) any kind of money i got even recycled books from the school so all this concept of pay for school is "new concept" for me Originally by: Danton Marcellus If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group	Posted - 2011.05.16 21:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Slade Trillgon As always when Govco gets involved with something it turns gold into cat doots with depressing reliability. Fake edit: this thread is now about cat doots.[/quote Also, I hope that you plan on starting your own business, know someone that has a successful business that is willing to hire you, or that you go into the crafts, otherwise you are going to need one of those scam worthy pieces of paper you speak of. Slade Yeah all that emigrating to "streets paved with gold" in the late 19th Century and for what? To become just like everywhere else where you have to know someone or be in a "guild". Most of the people leaving Europe for the Americas in the 19th century just wanted a frikkin' job. It was said during that time period that an Irishman was worth less than a black slave though they both worked hard, the Irishman didn't have to be bought and he even paid for his own trip across. Well I for one welcome the collapse of this modern guild system/expensive Union Card concept. I have had to deal with many snarky little managers with their degrees and heads full of technical catch phrases deciding if I should be "given" a job or not. Hey so I don't have a BS in computer science - I started out programming electronics countermeasure systems in fighter aircraft using HEX code and that was without training - hacking in the desert, but I didn't spend 4 years learning political correctness and getting drunk in dorms so therefore I don't know anything.
Steinsdottir Pollard	Posted - 2011.05.16 22:36:00 - [12] You know 10 years ago I would have laughed at the USA. Today I cant. We are **ed in Europe as well. Greece got **ed. Ireland as well. Next is Portugal and Spain. Thank god for Iceland giving EU the finger. Im beeing constantly told that I live in the worlds richest country. Yet somehow the school my kid goes to cant afford school books any longer.
Jno Aubrey Galactic Patrol	Posted - 2011.05.16 22:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 16/05/2011 20:38:29 I do not disagree with all that you say, but I want to point out all the jobs that can be done by individuals that have gone through, at most a 6 week training run, that requires Bachelors degrees in the US. The corporations and their ridiculous credential requirements increase the demand for said scam worthy diplomas. Also, I hope that you plan on starting your own business, know someone that has a successful business that is willing to hire you, or that you go into the crafts, otherwise you are going to need one of those scam worthy pieces of paper you speak of. EDIT: Added the 'requirements' in the first paragraph. Slade Can't much argue with you there. I suspect a lot of the problem is the attitude of people who think "I had to go through [x] years of hell to get my degree, so everyone else should too." I got my degree in Computer Science, and after a few years working in the field I realized that there might have been 2 or 3 courses I took that were actually applicable to what I was doing in the Real World. When I first was in a position to hire people, I didn't care much one way or another about their education as long as they knew how to program, build/repair computers, or manage networks. But when I would tell my boss (CFO type) that I wanted to hire someone without a degree, I always had to do a dog & pony to get her approval - she had a deeply-held bias against people with no college education. When I got to the point where I could make my own hiring decisions without being questioned, I have to admit that I deliberately hired a few non-degreed people over degreed candidates just to be subversive. __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate.
Iasius Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.17 00:47:00 - [14] I got a non honors degree in Computer Science. The first computer job I got after uni was building PC's for a computer shop. Being the idealistic type I always had a disdain for IT corporate witchdoctor mumbo jumbo. I got the most satisfaction from doing a mix of 1st and 2nd line support. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint
Tattva Paalaka Appono Astos	Posted - 2011.05.17 05:20:00 - [15] Universities used to have the argument that they had rare books and people with unique knowledge, but since the internet anyone can plunge right into master degree levels of knowledge easily. If they care to. Sadly most people are turned off learning by the institutional learning system, where intelligence is measured by how much robotic memorization one can do, while not fully grasping concepts and enjoying the process of understanding.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.17 08:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Tattva Paalaka Universities used to have the argument that they had rare books and people with unique knowledge, but since the internet anyone can plunge right into master degree levels of knowledge easily. If they care to. Sadly most people are turned off learning by the institutional learning system, where intelligence is measured by how much robotic memorization one can do, while not fully grasping concepts and enjoying the process of understanding. Maybe true if you do some kind of stupidly easy 'study' like psychology, good luck doing that with for example an engineering study.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.17 11:04:00 - [17] The system cancer has gotten to the final stage. Lets see if we manage to pull through the next years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Iasius Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.17 11:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Iasius on 17/05/2011 11:57:40 If you think you are right and another wrong you can still be wrong if you don't know why the other thinks they are right. The best revenge is to be unlike him who performed the injury. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.17 12:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Furb Killer Maybe true if you do some kind of stupidly easy 'study' like psychology, good luck doing that with for example an engineering study. I dare say you are incorrect Furb. There are numerous mechanics and machinists that would vehemently disagree as well. Yes they are cut from different molds but engineering by no means requires a college degree. Now, some of the highest level jobs may be shut off to those without advanced theoretical degrees, but that does not mean that their jobs are something and non-college trained engineer could not grasp. Especially with the availability of information available on the internetb Link 1 Link 2 College is nothing but a fluffed up and bloated apprenticeship. Most all jobs in my mind, if the trainee has the apptitude, can be taught outside of a class room. Slade :Signature Temporarily Disabled:
Freyus Bargem Caldari A Humble Abode	Posted - 2011.05.17 23:20:00 - [20] Too many of my friends are saying they going to get the uni degrees in the UK and move to america for a job. I tell them time and time again, its a failing economy and its going to ****, yet they say its their choice and noones going to stop them. So i'm just going to sit back with the popcorn and watch as their lives fail as the get deeper and deeper into debt
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.18 00:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Furb Killer Originally by: Tattva Paalaka Universities used to have the argument that they had rare books and people with unique knowledge, but since the internet anyone can plunge right into master degree levels of knowledge easily. If they care to. Sadly most people are turned off learning by the institutional learning system, where intelligence is measured by how much robotic memorization one can do, while not fully grasping concepts and enjoying the process of understanding. Maybe true if you do some kind of stupidly easy 'study' like psychology, good luck doing that with for example an engineering study. Tbh, the engineering route is not that hard. It was pretty easy to get only A's and B's by just paying attention in class. (Heck, a lot of my class mates were doing nothing but googling and would still barly pass) Its all about interest. That said, college these days are specialications for different kinds of work. There is no real education designed to broaden your mind and make you think or question. Only to teach you some things and send you off to be part of the money making machine. It beats not getting an education, becuse supprise supprise, some jobs are more comfortable to have, and give you more intelligent stimulus (even more money). You still end up working for a boss making your cmapny rich (most do, anyways), but that is again the system we have wrought for ourself. Actually, I would have liked to have some philosophy (or even psychology) classes that would make me think more about other points to life the just math and technology. I have gotten a lot of that by myself of course, but it is more efficient to have somone with the knowledge already to guide you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.18 00:16:00 - [22] Nah, do it like this - college FREE of initial charge, but you pay a fixed percentage of your wages to them for the rest of your life. That should give'em some incentives. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Iasius Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.18 00:28:00 - [23] On youtube I came across an excellent series of electronics training videos by an India training institution. The presentation was very good, and I thought the Indian music and theme had comedy value . Given my limited attention span at the moment I did'nt get the deep logic. But an American dude commented that it was better than his multi thousand dollar electronics education. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint
ceaon	Posted - 2011.05.18 01:03:00 - [24] i dont want to derail le topic but if this dude dont lie http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sugata_mitra_the_child_driven_education.html many advanced stuff can be learned whit one computer see after minute 6:30 Originally by: Danton Marcellus If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.18 08:12:00 - [25] Edited by: Furb Killer on 18/05/2011 08:18:00 Quote: Tbh, the engineering route is not that hard. It was pretty easy to get only A's and B's by just paying attention in class. (Heck, a lot of my class mates were doing nothing but googling and would still barly pass) Then I dont know what kind of engineering education that was, since here it definately is hard, sure there are some differences, like electrical engineering is harder than mechanical or biomedical engineering, but they arent things you want to learn from books only, it just doesnt work. Quote: dont want to derail le topic but if this dude dont lie It is BS that doesnt work like that, at least not for the average population. It only maybe says something about teachers being horrible that some are better off without teachers. But they actually tried something like that here (children get to choose themselves what they want to learn and how), not surprisingly it horribly failed and right now pretty much all of those schools are either closed or in the process of being closed due to horrible results.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.18 08:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 18/05/2011 08:18:00 Quote: Tbh, the engineering route is not that hard. It was pretty easy to get only A's and B's by just paying attention in class. (Heck, a lot of my class mates were doing nothing but googling and would still barly pass) Then I dont know what kind of engineering education that was, since here it definately is hard, sure there are some differences, like electrical engineering is harder than mechanical or biomedical engineering, but they arent things you want to learn from books only, it just doesnt work. Quote: dont want to derail le topic but if this dude dont lie It is BS that doesnt work like that, at least not for the average population. It only maybe says something about teachers being horrible that some are better off without teachers. But they actually tried something like that here (children get to choose themselves what they want to learn and how), not surprisingly it horribly failed and right now pretty much all of those schools are either closed or in the process of being closed due to horrible results. I did electronics/cybernetics engineering, lots of math. Sure, it was work to get through it, but it was not hard. It is all about interest. If you got that, you absord teh knowledge a lot easier. If you got no interest, then of course it is "hard". -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.18 08:22:00 - [27] Edited by: Furb Killer on 18/05/2011 08:22:51 Here it is also hard if you got interest, but I guess there is some difference between educations.
Iasius Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.18 08:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Iasius on 18/05/2011 08:51:03 I did an electrical craft engineering apprenticeship. The vice was made from drawings given to me. It was not to hard to late, mill and benchwork the other bits working to within .25mm tolerance. What I found hardest was sheet metal work. That needs much more of a feel. Welding was fun. I worked on wiring 3 phase 415V lathes with contactors and conduit. I did not do the more advanced technician level work that included tig/mig welding and cad\cam lathe\milling. I did this when I was 17. I enjoyed making the stuff but UK manufacturing was full of thick heads, some funny eccentrics and a few inspiring lecturers. After 2 years I switched to doing computing at college and uni. But generally I found manual steel work to be much easier than wood work. My dad is a good carpenter. A few times I worked with him on a building site. I enjoyed it immensely. After a days work the builders pint of beer is sublime. Though working on a building site during the winter is much harder. In hindsight I would have preferred to have completed my electrician training and work out and about and have computers as a hobby. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. ~Saint
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.18 09:47:00 - [29] Manual steel working is not exactly what you are teached on a university anyway. With electrical engineering for example on a university I am talking about 32nm CMOS IC design.
Bulldug Starlight Enterprise	Posted - 2011.05.20 05:26:00 - [30] Edited by: Bulldug on 20/05/2011 05:35:21 Sad but true. Usual higher education in economics just mean higher indoctrination. Keynesian economics could not even predict the housing bubble. Seriously? anyone without an education could have predicted that. Just common sence really. Go back and watch all the videos where Keynesian economics all laugh at Austrian economics like Peter Schiff. The US economy will go from bad to worse as long it's beeing run by crooks and wallstreet fat cats living the "good life". Check this, pretty funny. "Fear the Boom and Bust" a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem Bankers' Song - We Didn't See It Comin Every Breath You Take Keynesian Economics vs. Austrian Economics Check the last part where Ron Paul ask Ben Bernanke, what if Keynes was wrong? Priceless Mindset of the investment banking community Wall Street Meltdown

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