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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1127
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Posted - 2012.12.16 17:30:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Quote:"Some random bored goon poster told me I'm paranoid, THIS IS EVIDENCE THEMITTANI.COM IS A PROPAGANDA FRONT!" That is rather poor argument sir. I expected more of you. You're an idiot |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.16 18:42:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote: You're an idiot
Wow, awsome news.
I'm looking forward to see your chain of evidence which led you to this conclusion.
While we wait for PL (Goon merc if i'm not mistaken) to figure it out. Back to topic.
Come on, even NASA is able to deliver more proves that humans were on the moon. The 9/11 commission more proves that it was a terrorist attack than you delivered so far about themittani.com.
All you presented so far was a self-written statement about brands and history. |

Mirima Thurander
Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition
456
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:08:00 -
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Given I can't be bothered to type any thing in a search bar and all ready have the 24 site book marked I guess I keep checking that one till I get a link to a different site. Possibly one that gets UPDATE ON THE WEEKENDS will be the one I check more often. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.19 18:48:00 -
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I think it's time for a recap since the Goons left the field to find some valid evidence.
Let's beginn with some facts:
- The origin of the Goons is the Something Awful community (SA).
- The top priority is entertainment for the Goons, which they generate from anyone who isnGÇÖt Goon.
- Some Goons are good in metagaming.
- A notorious figurehead of the Goons had to step down from CSM7 after some strange statement at Fanfest 2012 which violated the EULA.
- The Goons founded a news website earlier in 2012. ItGÇÖs called themittani.com. Awesome name isnGÇÖt it? Well they tell us they took it, because it is something like a brand and has a lot of history. Well at least a strong history of metagaming, if you ask me. But can someone else combine anything good with the name TheMittani or Goons besides Goons, Test and their pets? Ok they destroyed BoB, but they turned into BoB reloaded ever since.
- They have recruited a ton of staff for themittani.com and try to become a main source of news about EVE.
So much about the facts.
With no representation at CSM7 Goons needed some other tool to influence the masses. What is better than the media to influence them?
SA has a vast pool of human resources. Vile Rat (rest in peace) was one example for it, employed by the US State Department. TheMittani himself is a lawyer. IGÇÖm sure there are some media professionals in SA too. So we have the critical mass to plan and execute a well-planned media offensive to gain/maintain influence.
The site was in bad need of freelancer writers and staff. CanGÇÖt tell how they convinced the guys but they got them. So they got some viable and some less viable sources to generate a steady flow of articles. Somewhere between that is the one or the other article of the Goons. Et voil+á metagaming, half-truths, lies and propaganda of the Goons well surrounded by independent stuff.
Those Freelancers provided them with a nice cover and veil.
If you ask me themittani.com is something like Xinhua or Pravda. If you ask the Goons all of the above is a conspiracy theory.
There are a lot of conspiracy theories around, which can be proved to be wrong. NASA and independent sources are able to deliver a ton of proves that humans were on the moon. The 9/11 commission delivered tons of proves that it was a terrorist attack.
What presented the Goons so far about their news site? A handful of Freelancers, who were convinced to work for them and a self-written statement about TheMittani being a brand these days.
Don't read there! Don't work for them! |

Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
206
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Posted - 2012.12.19 23:37:00 -
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I check each site daily. I prefer the writing on themittani.com |

Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
10
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:28:00 -
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I have to admit that by the time I get to Eve News 24 I've almost always read all the interesting articles because they already appeared on the blogs I read. But the EN24 Twitter feed comes in handy when I miss something.
At this point TM.com is only about 50% Eve and the rest games I'm not really interested in. I do find it funny that everyone thinks The Mittani created TM.com to win Eve. He's got his sights set much higher. You can tell by the content of the articles he's aiming for a wider audience that just us internet spaceship geeks.
Oh, and TM.com is lacking something. Stories about bots. Bot tears = best tears.  [url]http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/[/url]:-á Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength - Eric Hoffer |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
131
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Posted - 2012.12.23 21:37:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:I think it's time for a recap since the Goons left the field to find some valid evidence. Let's beginn with some facts:
- The origin of the Goons is the Something Awful community (SA).
- The top priority is entertainment for the Goons, which they generate from anyone who isnGÇÖt Goon.
- Some Goons are good in metagaming.
- A notorious figurehead of the Goons had to step down from CSM7 after some strange statement at Fanfest 2012 which violated the EULA.
- The Goons founded a news website earlier in 2012. ItGÇÖs called themittani.com. Awesome name isnGÇÖt it? Well they tell us they took it, because it is something like a brand and has a lot of history. Well at least a strong history of metagaming, if you ask me. But can someone else combine anything good with the name TheMittani or Goons besides Goons, Test and their pets? Ok they destroyed BoB, but they turned into BoB reloaded ever since.
- They have recruited a ton of staff for themittani.com and try to become a main source of news about EVE.
So much about the facts. With no representation at CSM7 Goons needed some other tool to influence the masses. What is better than the media to influence them? SA has a vast pool of human resources. Vile Rat (rest in peace) was one example for it, employed by the US State Department. TheMittani himself is a lawyer. IGÇÖm sure there are some media professionals in SA too. So we have the critical mass to plan and execute a well-planned media offensive to gain/maintain influence. The site was in bad need of freelancer writers and staff. CanGÇÖt tell how they convinced the guys but they got them. So they got some viable and some less viable sources to generate a steady flow of articles. Somewhere between that is the one or the other article of the Goons. Et voil+á metagaming, half-truths, lies and propaganda of the Goons well surrounded by independent stuff. Those Freelancers provided them with a nice cover and veil. If you ask me themittani.com is something like Xinhua or Pravda. If you ask the Goons all of the above is a conspiracy theory. There are a lot of conspiracy theories around, which can be proved to be wrong. NASA and independent sources are able to deliver a ton of proves that humans were on the moon. The 9/11 commission delivered tons of proves that it was a terrorist attack. What presented the Goons so far about their news site? A handful of Freelancers, who were convinced to work for them and a self-written statement about TheMittani being a brand these days. Don't read there! Don't work for them!
I am loathe to return to this thread because it's reached levels of stupidity that just hurt me, but as I look my notifications, there's a whole heap of replies to this thread. This one actually illicited laughter from me.
So lets get this straight.
- We're smarter than you
- We're more connected than you
- We're more organised than you
- We're running a thoroughly successful site
- We have a rainbow of Independent writers
- We garner over 1,000,000 hits a month
- We cover multiple games
- Our Sole purpose is just to further the cause of some Nullsec alliances
- We are trying to control your mind for our own schemes
I don't even need to say any more. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.24 14:07:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote: (...) I am loathe to return to this thread because it's reached levels of stupidity that just hurt me, but as I look my notifications, there's a whole heap of replies to this thread. This one actually illicited laughter from me. So lets get this straight.
- We're smarter than you
- We're more connected than you
- We're more organised than you
- We're running a thoroughly successful site
- We have a rainbow of Independent writers
- We garner over 1,000,000 hits a month
- We cover multiple games
- Our Sole purpose is just to further the cause of some Nullsec alliances
- We are trying to control your mind for our own schemes
I don't even need to say any more.
Ahh welcome back. It's always good to have something to laugh about, isn't it. It's a delight for us that your returned with another set of statements.
1,000,000 million hits per month? That isn't that great if we take into account that your site features other games as well. Your bitty independent writers are the ones who shall help you to establish the brand you claim to have in your self-written statement.
TheMittani is no brand outside of EVE and maybe SA(, yet).
You struggle to establish it within the game media scene.
Your independent writers are:
All you do is exploit them to reach your objective. And again the scope is wider than what you want us to believe Goon.
As long as you haven't reached that objective and even if you do one day. There is Goon propaganda about EVE nicely placed between the articles of your bitty independent writers.
Merry Christmas!
Don't read there! Don't work for them!
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1128
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Posted - 2012.12.24 20:53:00 -
[69] - Quote
Thanks for helping me prove the whole idiot thing |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.24 21:47:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Thanks for helping me prove the whole idiot thing
Well this is as insightful as your last post. Atleast your sentence is longer this time.
Grath Telkin wrote: You're an idiot
I can see an improvement in your argumentation. Keep trying and one day you can compete with someone in a discussion.
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Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.12.25 05:11:00 -
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Well.. I.. Uh..
I am speechless. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.12.25 05:16:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote: TheMittani is no brand outside of EVE and maybe SA(, yet).
You struggle to establish it within the game media scene.
Oh but because I love waving this around
https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/277294754612539392 http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:03:00 -
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Wow it must have been hard to find something substantial to back your claims. Your last post before i asked for something more than your self-written statement was 2012-12-15. It took you alot of time to come up with something.
John Smedley. Vice President of Sony Online Entertainment. So altruistic of him. There are no financial interests of SOE.
Your site features Planetside2 isn't it an SOE title. Dust 514 isn't exlusive for Playstation 3, isn't it. It was quite easy for Mr. Smedley to help Sony with his comment on twitter.
Some statement motivated by financial self-interest isn't a good prove. Will it take a few more weeks to dig something up?
Some more interesting facts.
The site name was registered back in May 2012. Not that long after the Fanfest 2012 desaster. Something that damaged your "brand" quite well. 
Sitestats prove your claim that you had about 1 million hits so far. More than 2/3 are from the USA. Thought that EVE and the other games you feature are global brands it's a sign that you struggle with the self-claimed themittani brand.
Anyway what about the propaganda of the Goons between your "rungs on the ladder of success" work's?
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Shootmenot dammit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.12.26 12:33:00 -
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Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?
Not only you promote his games on your site. He is also a player within the CFC, as he admitted himself.
https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/207701661886586881
I would take those compliments with a grain of salt, if I was one of your readers. |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.12.26 15:40:00 -
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Shootmenot dammit wrote:Well, he would say that, wouldn't he? Not only you promote his games on your site. He is also a player within the CFC, as he admitted himself. https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/207701661886586881I would take those compliments with a grain of salt, if I was one of your readers.
Thank you for providing this information. |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:24:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Shootmenot dammit wrote:Well, he would say that, wouldn't he? Not only you promote his games on your site. He is also a player within the CFC, as he admitted himself. https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/207701661886586881I would take those complimen)ts with a grain of salt, if I was one of your readers. Thank you for providing this information.
Didn't you know? Steve Balmer is in Pandemic Legion.
(he isn't really) http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.12.27 08:59:00 -
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Robus Muvila wrote: (...) Didn't you know? Steve Balmer is in Pandemic Legion.
(he isn't really)
Well, lets go back to the topic of the discussion of the last pages.
Themittani.com is:
- A propaganda tool of the CFC and Goons in the style of Xinhua or Pravda.
- You struggle to establish it within the game media scene (featuring multiple MMORPG).
- Your intependent writers are a wrap for the CFC/Goon propaganda and are the rungs on the ladder of success (#211) to become something in the game media scene.
TheMittani is no brand outside of EVE and maybe SA(, yet).
A self-written statement and flowers from within CFC are no prove for your ... lets say ... "good intentions (EVE-wise)". Your list of metagaming is just to long for that.
Don't read there! Don't work for them! |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:06:00 -
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Satoru Iwata gatecamps at EC-
I've seen him.
(Not really) http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |

Rain6637
Team Evil
365
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Posted - 2012.12.28 22:07:00 -
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mittani: very intelligent guy. clear, focused articles with overarching themes.
his contributing writers: SA forum lurkers moonlighting as EVE players moonlighting as writers. if anyone is editing those articles, they must be saying, "... ****-it, just publish." http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Buckingham Buckingham is my Vanilla Sky ||-áVincent Athena, I made something for you: http://i.imgur.com/hrxcc.jpg |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.12.29 04:53:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:mittani: very intelligent guy. clear, focused articles with overarching themes.
his contributing writers: SA forum lurkers moonlighting as EVE players moonlighting as writers. if anyone is editing those articles, they must be saying, "... ****-it, just publish."
I'll bite, we still stumble, but that is as a result of the sheer speed that we're growing. We weren't expecting torrent of interest and had to very quickly to adapt from being well meaning space nerds to being Human Resource Managers, Social Media Managers as publishers. We're still pushing to improve a we appear to be approaching some semblance of stability for the first time
We've launched, we have weathered the heartbreak and combined media f*ckery that surrounded the loss of Vile Rat (Rest his soul) then Now we can start doing stuff.
Watch this space.
(Hey ISD, the curse filter doesn't pick up fuckery so I censored it myself, might wanna fix that.) http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |

Rain6637
Team Evil
366
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Posted - 2012.12.29 07:40:00 -
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thanks. I would never make it a goal to **** off the beehive, or at least I don't know why I would, and I swear it wasn't a troll comment.
I understand deadlines, and I also know what a paper looks like after a hasty edit. it's the smaller things like grammar and spelling errors that raise questions in my mind; I'm not counting the higher-level deficiencies. (such as clarity of thought, flow, active vs passive voice, and main themes in an article).
I remember the public announcement of openings for contributing writers. after half the articles made me wonder how so many errors got through an editor, when they were the type that are quickly caught by a fresh pair of eyes, I figured:
the average goon writing for mittani, and no editor. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Buckingham Buckingham is my Vanilla Sky ||-áVincent Athena, I made something for you: http://i.imgur.com/hrxcc.jpg |

Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.12.30 17:22:00 -
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Like Xinhua or Pravda themittani.com features the news of the "Central Committee of the Goons" (GSF CEO Update) monthly.
Yeah i screened your headlines Mr. Muvila.
As expected this and other Goonswarm propaganda could be found surrounded by "intependent" stuff. Even true stories like the loss of that Guardian-Vexor. It's the same style Xinhua and Pravda present/presented their news.
Can we expect to read something about the annual meeting of the "Congress of the Goons" in 2013? Maybe the next 5 year plan as well?
Don't read there Don't work for them |

Robus Muvila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.12.30 20:05:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:thanks. I would never make it a goal to **** off the beehive, or at least I don't know why I would, and I swear it wasn't a troll comment.
I understand deadlines, and I also know what a paper looks like after a hasty edit. it's the smaller things like grammar and spelling errors that raise questions in my mind; I'm not counting the higher-level deficiencies. (such as clarity of thought, flow, active vs passive voice, and main themes in an article).
I remember the public announcement of openings for contributing writers. after half the articles made me wonder how so many errors got through an editor, (errors that are quickly caught by a fresh pair of eyes) I figured:
the average goon writing for mittani, and no editor.
What can I say, every month we probably cycle through 30% of our writing staff, trimming out people who were one shot wonders, or ones who just didn't give a **** and hiring in new hungry writers. We can only keep doing this until we get a team that is accomplished, literate and responsible. http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages |

Rain6635
Team Evil
35
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Posted - 2012.12.31 03:28:00 -
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thanks again for replying, I wouldn't give this feedback if I didn't know someone was "there," and I hope it's ok with you.
It's tough to find quality when the help is free. I think a big improvement could be made by giving writers a focused premise, rather than free rein in a broad topic such as a video game. some of the articles read like laundry lists of facts, and it's up to the reader to piece together their significance.
in contrast, mittani's articles read like bedtime stories about hulkageddon and burn jita. 
I like reading reviews of new games, and the question I'm asking is: would I want to play it? as an eve player who is unfamiliar with a game, I might bother to form a conclusion, but it's still meaningless when I don't see how the game relates to me.
standardized icons or info boxes right at the top of the body of an article would make this easier to decide. how was the game scored by some popular game reviewers?
FPS/RPG/MMO PC/Console cost? digital download? where is it available, or when size of player base gore, ESRB rating who is the developer and what other games have they made?
and lastly, bits of drama could be thrown in to make it juicy. developer or player scandals... which of course, EVE has plenty of, but what about these games? do they have player backstabbing, a mittani, Dust514, a mintchip, tournaments, conspiracies, game politics~ |

Wo nko
University of Caille Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.12.31 04:55:00 -
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this thread needs to be locked, it doesnt' belong here.
eve news 24 and the goons site do not speak on behalf of the eve population, they are propaganda sites (evenews24 less so)
THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVE PLAYERS BANN THIS THREAD |

Rain6635
Team Evil
35
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Posted - 2012.12.31 05:58:00 -
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ANyway...
evenews24 is too bright in my dim room.
also ridden with teenager writing style, while lacking a redeeming figurehead such as mittani (and riverini does NOT satisfy that billing) |

Wo nko
University of Caille Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.12.31 06:45:00 -
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Rain6635 wrote:ANyway...
evenews24 is too bright in my dim room.
also ridden with teenager writing style, while lacking a redeeming figurehead such as mittani (and riverini does NOT satisfy that billing)
some gems, though. I enjoy Jester's Treck in particular.
you do not represent "my eve" and you don't belong here... please stop trying to look important, because you're not
[EDIT] please ccp think hard about what this means to your forums... they bash you with their articles http://themittani.com/features/rise-and-fall-caod |

Rain6635
Team Evil
39
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Posted - 2012.12.31 07:01:00 -
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lol wut
quoted for posterity
Wo nko wrote:Rain6635 wrote:ANyway...
evenews24 is too bright in my dim room.
also ridden with teenager writing style, while lacking a redeeming figurehead such as mittani (and riverini does NOT satisfy that billing)
some gems, though. I enjoy Jester's Treck in particular. you do not represent "my eve" and you don't belong here... please stop trying to look important, because you're not [EDIT] please ccp think hard about what this means to your forums... they bash you with their articles http://themittani.com/features/rise-and-fall-caod |

Wo nko
University of Caille Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.12.31 07:04:00 -
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please ban threads involving the mentioned sites |

Rain6635
Team Evil
39
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Posted - 2012.12.31 07:09:00 -
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my quote interdiction spheres are preventing you from warping away, I have you tackled
Wo nko wrote:please ban threads involving the mentioned sites
^ i'm interdicting your thoughts with forum kung-fu |
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