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Starcaller Glaceon
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Posted - 2011.05.17 23:30:00 -
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So I have a Retriever (I can fly Covetor, but I can't afford it yet. COuld actually Fly a Hulk but I can't afford to Exhumer skill :P) and I bought the steam deal for ú3.74 to make a second account. The second account now has a Badger Hauler and I was wondering what's the best way of making isk? I have been hauling back ORE to the station after 2 or 3 cycles of the strip miners and continuing to mine whilst hauling, but I seem to be making only 1.5m isk in about 15 minutes?
My character has Refining IV, soon to be V, but no additional refining skills.
What should I be mining? I'm currently mining Rich Plagioclase and Massive Scordite, refining it and selling the minerals.
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Starcaller Glaceon
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Posted - 2011.05.17 23:33:00 -
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0.6 space with 2 med, 1 light drones.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.17 23:55:00 -
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If you had 6 accounts mining at once in Hulks you'd make isk, but 1 ship mining isn't going to make you rich
 Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Starcaller Glaceon
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Posted - 2011.05.17 23:58:00 -
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Oh I see, so you can't play Eve online with 1 account, let alone 2?
Just asking what's the best way to use what resources I have available :) Maybe I should just ditch the second account and solo ming/join a mining corporation?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.18 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
If you had 6 accounts mining at once in Hulks you'd make isk, but 1 ship mining isn't going to make you rich
Hey don't discourage the newbies, it's where we get our ganks when they grow up 
That said, yes a mining corporation sounds like the best idea for you. If you join one that uses an orca in corp ops, you'll get bonuses to mining yield and cycle time, and you'll free up the second account to do something more useful like sanctums mining with another retriever/osprey/whatevs.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.05.18 00:21:00 -
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I just posted on the topic of my alt in the skills forum. It might be helpful, or not.
New player needs help/tips for his alt account. (Scanner/salvager)
As for what to mine: everything. Quantity over quality in hisec.
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Mal Mandrake
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Posted - 2011.05.18 01:42:00 -
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As far as what to mine, you should check the prices of ore in your mining area. All about supply and demand, if the demand at your current system is for veldspar then mine that, if it is pyroxeres then mine that instead.
With refining 5 and a decent standing with the station you might want to take the few minutes to see if you would make more money by refining the ore and selling it instead.
Personally I'd say just stick with one account and join a small corp. A 3 person mining fleet is pretty damned effective. Have a miner, a hauler, and a ratter. Or if you are able to hold off rats with your drones have two miners and a hauler to make big(ish) bucks.
Word of advice.. never, ever, EVER jetcan mine unless you want to mine for the sole purpose of giving other players money.
-Mal Mandrake
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.18 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mal Mandrake
Word of advice.. never, ever, EVER jetcan mine unless you want to mine for the sole purpose of giving other players money.
Well, to be perfectly honest I never actually took the ore 
Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.18 02:54:00 -
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1) You want at least a Badger II but of course it's going to cost more than the Badger you get for free from your Career Agents - you did do all of those right? There is some really good ore in some of those missions.
2) As to getting a million isk in 15 minutes - how do you know that?
3) If you are - with a Retriever and a Badger - that's probably pretty good. In any case, right now - you're making more money than someone running Level I or II missions - so ignore the knee jerk "missions make more money" people. (Of course ... compared to solo mining - Level IV missions do make more money - but - since mining does scale better for multiple accounts than anything else - if you do have multiple accounts you can pull in a good amount of ore, especially if you've trained up your support skills and have Industrails and Orca's.
4) As you make more money you can buy better stuff and ... make still more money.
5) The Badger II is the worst of the Industrials. The Iteron V is the best - 38,000 m3. with Expanded Cargo Hold II's in the lows, and cargo expander rig I's (@ Gallente Industrial V). But as long as you've got the Badger you can use it just the way you are until you get something better.
6) Giant Secure Containers.
7) You want to get the ore specific refining skills for the ore you mine and Refining Efficiency too. These help you get a better refine and some of that is a requirement for the Modulated Strip Miners mining crystals. Mostly your Retriever doesn't have the cargo space to really make good use of those - though it can use them.
8) Have your hauler guy be your trader guy too. Broker Relations and Accounting will help a little. Also have them run missions for the place your going to put sell orders up at. Have the Miner/Refiner run missions for the place you refine at. Get that up over six something and the "we take" category drops to 0.
9) There is no answer to the question "What should I be mining" (other than Tau's). Different ores and the minerals they produce change as to which is the most income producing. One thing to keep in mind - is that different ores take different amounts of time to mine. Miners work in a fixed cycle - AND - produce the same Volume in m3 per cycle - BUT - they can only produce so many UNITS of different ores. Thus - mining Veldspar will get you more Units of ore per cycle than anything else. Because of this - it takes longer to mine the same number of units of ore (and ore is sold by units - not volume) for one type of ore than for another. Thus, the fact that the minerals that come from one type of ore might have a higher price on the market - does NOT automatically mean that the ore these minerals come from is more remunerative than something else you could have mined in the same amount of time.
10) Also - what you want to mine varies drastically with what you're going to do with it. If you're building something then - obviously you need certain minerals and those come from certain types of ore. If you were building something else - then you might need to be mining a different ore. You often need some of many different types of minerals.
11) Additionally - the market is not the same every where in the game. What might be the best thing to mine or sell in one place is not the same in another - and it changes. Look at the market history to see.
12) With Frigates and Cruisers you might be more selective but barges are harder to move and often just mine everything in reach before they do, especially if you have to move the hauler and drop a new jet can.
13) Rum missions to get standing with the bases you use - and mine the asteroids in those missions - jet can mining is much safer that way than doing it in the belts. In the belts you don't want to leave ore in the can very long.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.05.18 10:42:00 -
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There's only one question to answer:
Is having a second account just to haul from the first character worth 350million ISK a month (the price of PLEX)?
There's an oft quoted concept in business; cost opportunity.
Simply, what else could you be using that time / account / money to do instead?
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.18 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
There's only one question to answer:
Is having a second account just to haul from the first character worth 350million ISK a month (the price of PLEX)?
There's an oft quoted concept in business; cost opportunity.
Simply, what else could you be using that time / account / money to do instead?
False comparison.
$15 a month to play eve is not that much RL money.
Making 350 million ISK is not that easy to get in game for many players.
Spending RL money to get 350 million ISK - doesn't give you the satisfaction of earning that isk yourself. There are many different ways people can get enjoyment from playing a game - the satisfaction of accomplishing some virtual objective is one of them.
Buying your way through the game with RL money - is ... not something some players want to do. If someone else wants to do that - that's fine - it's within the rules - I don't care if SOMEONE ELSE does that - but - I get more satisfaction out of earning whatever ISK I have than if I just bought it. It's a game. Despite my lack of playing time ... if I just bought my way through the game what would be the point? I wouldn't have accomplished anything - I'd have just bought it. I'm a retired adult - I've got enough money that I could probably buy any ship in the game if I really wanted to - but what kind of satisfaction would I get out of that?
If it's to easy - you don't appreciate it.
Now ... as to the Cost Opportunity of playing computer games ... what else could you have been doing with that time instead?
If we toted up the hours a person might play EVE per month - at the rate of a computer consultant's fees (what a retired computer professional might theoretically be expected to make) - it would probably come out to a lot more than $15 ...
And no ... buying extra accounts to allow you to do more - is not the same thing as just buying ISK. Buying those accounts doesn't get you anything if you don't take them out and do something with them. All the things you have in EVE, ships, modules, blue prints, Alts - are just tools to help you accomplish things - but you still have to accomplish them. Just buying all that stuff would not get it done.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.05.18 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
seemingly random attack of his keyboard
I'm not sure how any of what you've said is meant to be relevant.
I said: He can probably use a character better than to slightly supplement an already poor ROI from mining.
You then rambled on about legal RMT and not having any fun 
I'm not suggesting he PLEXes his way to riches, I'm suggesting he forgoes trying to mine himself rich.
Please reply in less than 1000 words.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.18 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
seemingly random attack of his keyboard
I'm not sure how any of what you've said is meant to be relevant.
I said: He can probably use a character better than to slightly supplement an already poor ROI from mining.
You then rambled on about legal RMT and not having any fun
I'm not suggesting he PLEXes his way to riches, I'm suggesting he forgoes trying to mine himself rich.
Please reply in less than 1000 words.
I said what I had to say and it made perfect sense to me ... if you don't get it ... I don't care. I'm not trying to change your mind - I'm just pointing out to anyone else that there is more to the issue than the simplistic way it was explained by yourself.
Also - I would point out - that a significant number of the players of this game - enjoy mining. I like mining. I play this game for fun - so - mining accomplishes my objectives for playing this game.
And - you WERE suggesting he plex his way to riches.
As to the length of my posts - I write as much or as little as I think needs to be written (usually within the bounds of one post) to get the job done.
Possibly ... you are not actually a knee jerk anti-miner who feels compelled to post in every thread that mentions mining your opinion of that play style. But ... with tiny, pseudo clever little posts - I wouldn't know.
This is a game. It is not a contest to see who can make the most ISK. If it were - then Trading would be the best profession to pursue that - but - most people find trading more boring than mining.
I run a lot missions - but I run them for standings. Being told to jump through hoops by some NPC in some relatively un-challenging "quests" (I use that term to point out there there really isn't any difference here between "missions" and "quests" from certain other games).
Now - if YOU enjoy playing this game as a bean counter - have at it. Do all the little bean counting exercises you want - but there are other people out there - who are playing it for other reasons, to whom excessive bean counting takes the fun out of things.
*shrug*
Now - please feel free to provide the world with yet another simplistic, superficial post. I'm sure that there are those out there who are waiting to read your cleverness with bated breath ...
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.18 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
seemingly random attack of his keyboard
I'm not sure how any of what you've said is meant to be relevant.
I said: He can probably use a character better than to slightly supplement an already poor ROI from mining.
You then rambled on about legal RMT and not having any fun
I'm not suggesting he PLEXes his way to riches, I'm suggesting he forgoes trying to mine himself rich.
Please reply in less than 1000 words.
I said what I had to say and it made perfect sense to me ... if you don't get it ... I don't care. I'm not trying to change your mind - I'm just pointing out to anyone else that there is more to the issue than the simplistic way it was explained by yourself.
Also - I would point out - that a significant number of the players of this game - enjoy mining. I like mining. I play this game for fun - so - mining accomplishes my objectives for playing this game.
And - you WERE suggesting he plex his way to riches.
As to the length of my posts - I write as much or as little as I think needs to be written (usually within the bounds of one post) to get the job done.
Possibly ... you are not actually a knee jerk anti-miner who feels compelled to post in every thread that mentions mining your opinion of that play style. But ... with tiny, pseudo clever little posts - I wouldn't know.
This is a game. It is not a contest to see who can make the most ISK. If it were - then Trading would be the best profession to pursue that - but - most people find trading more boring than mining.
I run a lot missions - but I run them for standings. Being told to jump through hoops by some NPC in some relatively un-challenging "quests" (I use that term to point out there there really isn't any difference here between "missions" and "quests" from certain other games).
Now - if YOU enjoy playing this game as a bean counter - have at it. Do all the little bean counting exercises you want - but there are other people out there - who are playing it for other reasons, to whom excessive bean counting takes the fun out of things.
*shrug*
Now - please feel free to provide the world with yet another simplistic, superficial post. I'm sure that there are those out there who are waiting to read your cleverness with bated breath ...
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Get a blog.
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Starcaller Glaceon
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:03:00 -
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Cheers Toshiro :D
I'm just gonna set my second account, which has 51 days left, to train towards Hulk/Orca/Industrial.
That way I can either sell the character if I don't want to maintain 2 accounts or, if I can maintain the ISK per month to support the 2, use him myself.
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REiiGN15
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:31:00 -
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Still trying to wrap my head around those that want to mine by themselves.
To mine you honestly need to do it for a corp that will also pay you for doing it or that will do it with you. My alliance does mining for the benefit of the corps. Ships, mods, POS, ammo, Carriers for various WH.
Plus, by god, unless you have more than 4 paying accounts, its not worth mining.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
And - you WERE suggesting he plex his way to riches
Quote please.
I was suggesting there was a better way to spend 350mil, the amount of a PLEX, per month, than on a second account for mining.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.18 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Starcaller Glaceon
Cheers Toshiro :D
I'm just gonna set my second account, which has 51 days left, to train towards Hulk/Orca/Industrial.
That way I can either sell the character if I don't want to maintain 2 accounts or, if I can maintain the ISK per month to support the 2, use him myself.
And Good Luck To You!
Originally by: REiiGN15
Still trying to wrap my head around those that want to mine by themselves.
To mine you honestly need to do it for a corp that will also pay you for doing it or that will do it with you. My alliance does mining for the benefit of the corps. Ships, mods, POS, ammo, Carriers for various WH.
Plus, by god, unless you have more than 4 paying accounts, its not worth mining.
Here's the key to understanding - start by realizing that other people are not you. If someone wants to join a corporation and mine for them - then yeah sure do that. If they don't - that's their business.
But who are you - to decie what is worth doing for someone else? THIS IS A GAME. If they find doing nothing other than visiting every system in EVE (there are people who have done that) - and that is what they think is fun - what do you care?
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
And - you WERE suggesting he plex his way to riches
Quote please.
I was suggesting there was a better way to spend 350mil, the amount of a PLEX, per month, than on a second account for mining.
You just gave me one.
What you don't seem to understand is that to a lot of people 350 million ISK a month is a lot of money.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.05.19 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
You just gave me one.
What you don't seem to understand is that to a lot of people 350 million ISK a month is a lot of money.
Learn. To. Read.
Again. I am suggesting HE DOES NOT (that is a NEGATIVE statement) spend 350mil, a month, on an alt account to haul.
One more time - the OP, in my opinion, should NOT spend any extra ISK, or real money, on a second account to mildly increase the effectiveness of mining on the first.
Finally, there are better ways he CAN use 350mil OR another account if his goal is ISK.
Please, to god, don't come back with the same ****.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.19 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
You just gave me one.
What you don't seem to understand is that to a lot of people 350 million ISK a month is a lot of money.
Learn. To. Read.
Again. I am suggesting HE DOES NOT (that is a NEGATIVE statement) spend 350mil, a month, on an alt account to haul.
One more time - the OP, in my opinion, should NOT spend any extra ISK, or real money, on a second account to mildly increase the effectiveness of mining on the first.
Finally, there are better ways he CAN use 350mil OR another account if his goal is ISK.
Please, to god, don't come back with the same ****.
Learn to write. You said exactly what I said you said - regardless of your intention.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.05.19 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Serpents smile on 19/05/2011 10:13:47
Originally by: Starcaller Glaceon
What should I be mining? I'm currently mining Rich Plagioclase and Massive Scordite, refining it and selling the minerals.
Check markets, check what is going up or down.
I'm currently mining ice which was 2 weeks ago 320`ish and is now way above 500'ish. (I know its a specialized job just giving an example). Just check the price history tab and see if there is room to gain a bit of isk by what is in demand at the moment.
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
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Get a blog.
LOL!
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.19 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Edited by: Serpents smile on 19/05/2011 10:13:47
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
snipp
Get a blog.
LOL!
*shrug*
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.05.19 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Learn to write. You said exactly what I said you said - regardless of your intention
Um...
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Is having a second account just to haul from the first character worth 350million ISK a month (the price of PLEX)?
How is this suggesting he do anything you said? It's a question designed to make the reader conclude the opposite.
**** man, just stop rambling on and on and on and learn to put some comprehension into your statements. You don't need 50 lines to say half the **** you spew.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.19 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Learn to write. You said exactly what I said you said - regardless of your intention
Um...
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Is having a second account just to haul from the first character worth 350million ISK a month (the price of PLEX)?
How is this suggesting he do anything you said? It's a question designed to make the reader conclude the opposite.
**** man, just stop rambling on and on and on and learn to put some comprehension into your statements. You don't need 50 lines to say half the **** you spew.
The long explanations are there to try and prevent people who can't read or write from continually posting things that demonstrate not merely an inability to understand what I'm saying but an inability to understand what they themselves have said.
Obviously, this does not always succeed but ... I do what you can ...
*shrug*
Now ... I'm afraid I don't remember if you're a native English Speaker or not. Sorry about that.
But - what you quoted - is clearly offering plex as an alternative to having a second account. It is NOT merely a question in the context with which you used it. It is implying that getting 350 million from plex is a better alternative to creating a second account - but not merely that - it is also implying that this is something the person should do. If you were being facetious ... then ... that didn't come across. That is one of the problems with short posts.
Typing as a form of communication, even with the benefit of emoticons, is a less than stellar method of conveying information than speaking - where tone of voice can say a lot.
*shrug*
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Ji'kahr
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Posted - 2011.05.19 11:41:00 -
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You don't HAVE to get a second account to mine with one character and haul with the other.
A hauler alt takes about 3 days to train, if you go Amarrian and use a Bestower. It takes a little longer for a Minmatar, but you get a better selection of bigger industrials. Training for the Gallente Iteron V takes almost a freaking month, but it really is the biggest and best indy in EVE, and you are only a week or so from flying a freighter. Caldari have the worst Industrial in the Badger, even though it's many mid-slots make it into a surprising 'battle badger' if fitted properly.
The only reason to get two accounts is if you want to keep training that hauler alt at the same time you are training your miner. Otherwise, you have to pause the miner to start training the hauler. As someone else already said, it would be very useful to train your hauler as a trader as well, since station trading and inter-regional trading can make you more isk than mining. It also helps with processing fees, etc. You might have to run up some missions to improve your status so you can get perfect refine, but some miners keep two clients open so they can run missions with one alt on one client while mining on the other client (all on the same account). If it's isk you are after, you will find that running missions generally makes more money than mining.
The way that you use both your miner and hauler at the same time is called 'double boxing'. Make a copy of your EVE client and give it a different name (such as EVE copy). Open one client, log in with your miner, open the other client, log in with your hauler. Have them fleet up with each other, warp your hauler to your miner. Undock EVE so you can switch between the two clients more easily.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.05.19 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
But - what you quoted - is clearly offering plex as an alternative to having a second account. It is NOT merely a question in the context with which you used it. It is implying that getting 350 million from plex is a better alternative to creating a second account - but not merely that - it is also implying that this is something the person should do. If you were being facetious ... then ... that didn't come across. That is one of the problems with short posts.
No, it is not. What I quoted is me saying having 350million in ISK is a better thing to have, than buying a PLEX to roll an alt with, to make a hauler char. How many more times!? I'm not suggesting he BUYS a PLEX to turn to ISK, I'm suggesting he DOES NOT convert 350mil ISK INTO a PLEX to do said thing.
I'm a native English speaker. As such, I can tell you that your sentence structure, random hyphens, full stops, lengthily worded simple statements and ramblings are anything other than useful.
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Lady Go Diveher
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Posted - 2011.05.19 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ji'kahr
stuff
The whole point of having a second toon to haul is so that you can dual-box a mining op. Or else there is literally nothing it can add.
You also don't need to copy your Eve installation to dual box
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.19 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ji'kahr
You don't HAVE to get a second account to mine with one character and haul with the other.
A hauler alt takes about 3 days to train, if you go Amarrian and use a Bestower. It takes a little longer for a Minmatar, but you get a better selection of bigger industrials. Training for the Gallente Iteron V takes almost a freaking month, but it really is the biggest and best indy in EVE, and you are only a week or so from flying a freighter. Caldari have the worst Industrial in the Badger, even though it's many mid-slots make it into a surprising 'battle badger' if fitted properly.
The only reason to get two accounts is if you want to keep training that hauler alt at the same time you are training your miner. Otherwise, you have to pause the miner to start training the hauler. As someone else already said, it would be very useful to train your hauler as a trader as well, since station trading and inter-regional trading can make you more isk than mining. It also helps with processing fees, etc. You might have to run up some missions to improve your status so you can get perfect refine, but some miners keep two clients open so they can run missions with one alt on one client while mining on the other client (all on the same account). If it's isk you are after, you will find that running missions generally makes more money than mining.
The way that you use both your miner and hauler at the same time is called 'double boxing'. Make a copy of your EVE client and give it a different name (such as EVE copy). Open one client, log in with your miner, open the other client, log in with your hauler. Have them fleet up with each other, warp your hauler to your miner. Undock EVE so you can switch between the two clients more easily.
1) While most of that is true - the bit about logging in and out to switch from your miner to your hauler and back ... isn't something most people are going to want to do ... but you are right ... they could do that.
2) As to making money - mining makes more money than low level missions. So that depends on where you're at.
3) You don't have to make a copy of your EVE installation. You can just execute the one installation twice. The only reason to have two copies now is if you want certain settings to be different for each one. Where you REALLY have to have multiple copies of EVE - is if you're using the test servers - as the code is different.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.05.19 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 19/05/2011 12:45:18
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
But - what you quoted - is clearly offering plex as an alternative to having a second account. It is NOT merely a question in the context with which you used it. It is implying that getting 350 million from plex is a better alternative to creating a second account - but not merely that - it is also implying that this is something the person should do. If you were being facetious ... then ... that didn't come across. That is one of the problems with short posts.
No, it is not. What I quoted is me saying having 350million in ISK is a better thing to have, than buying a PLEX to roll an alt with, to make a hauler char. How many more times!? I'm not suggesting he BUYS a PLEX to turn to ISK, I'm suggesting he DOES NOT convert 350mil ISK INTO a PLEX to do said thing.
I'm a native English speaker. As such, I can tell you that your sentence structure, random hyphens, full stops, lengthily worded simple statements and ramblings are anything other than useful.
Yeah, feel free to criticize my writing style. It is however, apparently more effective than yours.
You've taken all these posts to finally explain what you meant to say - instead of what you did say.
Congratulations.
Now ... as to what you meant to say ... instead of spending another relatively easily obtained RL $15 ... why the hell would anyone even contemplate doing all the in game work to get 350 million just to buy a plex so they could have a hauler alt? Why the hell would anyone even think of doing that?
Maybe if what you were suggesting wasn't so absurd I'd have realized what you meant - but in any case - why the hell even bring it up?
And ... for future reference ... if someone doesn't seem to be getting your meaning - then try explaining it in different terms - as you finally did - instead of just making pseudo-clever little remarks on the assumption that there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the way you phrased your comment.
That is one of the reasons for the length of some of my posts - I often say the same thing in different ways - hoping that the reader (who may not be a native English speaker) may understand my meaning. If it's clear someone doesn't get what you're trying to say - then pass up the opportunity to be a smart ass - and try saying it again in a different way.
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Orbiting vs. Kiting
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Posted - 2011.05.19 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Yeah, feel free to criticize my writing style. It is however, apparently more effective than yours.
You've taken all these posts to finally explain what you meant to say - instead of what you did say.
Congratulations.
No ... you've taken all this time to understand what was a basic ****ing statement.
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Now ... as to what you meant to say ... instead of spending another relatively easily obtained RL $15 ... why the hell would anyone even contemplate doing all the in game work to get 350 million just to buy a plex so they could have a hauler alt? Why the hell would anyone even think of doing that?
Because 350million isn't a lot of ISK if you earn it in a method which isn't slow .. say, mining?
If you're suggesting spending $15 instead on a character to aid the mining, rather than earning the ISK to do the same thing ... then it is YOU who is suggesting boosting their ingame performacne with cash, not me!
What the actual **** is going on here?!
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