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Arrakis Fremen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:54:00 -
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I have just started doing Ded 3 and 4 sites and have noticed there is a lot of competition doing these sites. I have been using a Helios to scan the sites and then using either a Vexor or Mymidion to complete the site. Lately I have had more and more pilots enter the site as I'm doing it and start taking the site over. My question is what are my options when something like a Gila or a Tengu enter and start shooting the rats? Is it basically a race to the gate after killing all the rats to get to the overlord? Should I just give up and give the site away if I'm in a Vexor and a Tengu decides to take over the site? The last site I did was a 3-10 and was in the 3rd room when a Jaguar showed up. In this instance what should I do to get the goods in the final room?
Thx for any advise to get more aggressive tactics |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
639
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Posted - 2012.09.07 06:22:00 -
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Let's get the top three responses out of the way: get a Tengu, get out of Caldari space, and get out of high sec.
With that out of the way, hopefully someone has other ideas. I don't; I use a Tengu in non-Caldari low/null.... |
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
189
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:03:00 -
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For DED3 in Caldari and Angel space use assault frigate with afterburner. The boss in those sites is a frigate so you can kill it in a matter of seconds and because you are much faster than Tengu/Gila/Ishtar ( most commonly used ships in hisec exploration ) you should always get the loot. Assault frigates are ideal for doing those sites.
I see that you can use Helios so you should have access to Ishkur, which is a very good choice for this task. I remember the time when I used that little bugger in hisec exploration and I had about 20 situations of DED3 hijacking. They failed every time.
DED4 is another story. You can use AF for that too ( at least in Caldari hisec ) but it's much more problematic.
There is a way to make it work ( worked for me after I got some practise with this tactic ) - ship bumping.
When you fly a ship that is faster and much more agile than they do ( assuming that they fly T3/Ishtar/Gila ) then you can effectively bump them. You will need to practise with that for a bit but it can be done.
Another solution is to limit yourself to doing profession sites ( radars and mags ) in lowsec. Use your Helios to find the sites and then switch to your combat ship equipped with codebreakers/salvagers/analyzers. I used Ishkur for that too. Worked really well and the profitability was good enough. Lowsec profession sites are usually not contested ( happened to me only a few times ). |
Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
11
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:55:00 -
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I assume you're in Caldari space. It's only really a problem there (but the rewards are much higher) |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
674
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:38:00 -
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Arrakis Fremen wrote:I have been using a Helios to scan the sites and then using either a Vexor or Mymidion to complete the site.
Doing it wrong. |
Liz Lemonade
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:23:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Arrakis Fremen wrote:I have been using a Helios to scan the sites and then using either a Vexor or Mymidion to complete the site. Doing it wrong.
What Salazar means to say is don't swap ships. Also, use a Gila rather than a Vexor and Myrmidon. Even with Caldari cruiser 3 and minimal shield tanking skills, it can probably outperform Myrmidon and still be able to fit into a 3/10. |
Arrakis Fremen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:02:00 -
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Thx all for the advise so far. And I am in Caldari space but I would like to be able to compete with them for the potential better modules in this area. I'm considering on getting an Ishtar so I can have an all in one explorer boat for Ded 3 and 4 sites. This way I could complete the site much faster and lower the chance of someone entering while I'm doing the site. In addition, I prefer to do the site by systematically eliminating all the rats in each room before moving to next room.(In my limited knowledge of running these sites I'm not sure if the gate is even open or not until all rats are cleared) But this brings me to main concern. For example: I'm in room 2 of 4 and another ship shows up. What do you guys do to ensure getting to the overlord before the other guy? I understand what Tomcio suggests going with a fast AF but if I were to use the Ishtar what are my options? I guess it would have to do with what ship enters the room also. |
Arrakis Fremen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:07:00 -
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Quote:What Salazar means to say is don't swap ships.
After seeing a multitude of terse responds from him to other OP's I already knew what he meant. |
Sir Livingston
Club Deadspace
167
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:21:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Let's get the top three responses out of the way: get a Tengu, get out of Caldari space, and get out of high sec.
With that out of the way, hopefully someone has other ideas. I don't; I use a Tengu in non-Caldari low/null....
best tip imho
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in-game chat channel: Club Deadspace |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
675
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Posted - 2012.09.08 00:59:00 -
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Why does everyone think I'm terse.
I'm a friendly dude.
You guys are buttes. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
147
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Posted - 2012.09.08 02:42:00 -
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OP, try minmatar space. Loot is only marginally less valuable than caldari.
Use same ship to probe and plex. There are better ships than tengus for outside caldari space. Tengu seems to be the default for everyone, everywhere. A loki in minmatar space poops all over it. You are faster in killing the rats and faster in straight line speed if it comes to that. Also cherry pick the 4/10s using the DSP method because too many wormholes on the same sig strength as the 3/10 wasting your time. Only bother with radars if they happen to be on the same sig band as the 4/10s. I recommend doing the watches as some nice loot can be gained from the domination rats during the expedition. Just ignore the last low sec step if you don't want to go there. Also load up on the tags so you don't waste time in first room. 
If you can't use deep space probes just drop your core probes at 8au strength at the central planets and move them around to others.
There's no way around the fact that high sec exploration is all about speed. Your speed at scanning and your ship's speed at clearing sites and moving around. Once you get comfortable, all other pve methods will become intolerable to you (missions omg). High sec is ok when you're learning or can't dedicate the RL time to paying attention to local, going afk all the time etc... but can be quiet profitable. Just remember the more often you roll the dice your chances of getting the number you're after increase 
Hope that helps. |
Arrakis Fremen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.08 04:10:00 -
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Thx for the advise Ludi. Since I'm so close to Min space I think I'll move to there for better opportunities. In a lighter note to Sal what is a 9 Mil pilot suppose to get from " Your doing it wrong"! I need your wisdom from all the time you have been working explore sites. I'm beginning to think you don't remember that time in your Eve life. You seem to be agitated with noob situations. I just want what you and other successful explorers opinion on what options I can entertain with my limited skill set. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1150
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Posted - 2012.09.08 10:05:00 -
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Arrakis Fremen wrote:For example: I'm in room 2 of 4 and another ship shows up. What do you guys do to ensure getting to the overlord before the other guy? I understand what Tomcio suggests going with a fast AF but if I were to use the Ishtar what are my options? I guess it would have to do with what ship enters the room also.
Drop Gardes immediately after gate and put them to work on the satellite, overheat MWD and burn to it, overheat blasters and pump it full of Void, your higher dps and rate of fire will ensure the kill for you.
Fit a warp scram, the others might try to steal the loot from you. I removed my scram for short trip in hisec, and that was a mistake 
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Mia Lang
Department of Planetary Services
SOLAR FEDERATION ALLIANCE
4
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Posted - 2012.09.08 14:04:00 -
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When I first started my Hi Sec Exploration jihad I lost a lot of plexs to (yes I said it) these thieves. As the other explorers will attest, I've been very vocal about the prob over these past 4 months. while i do not relax my stance that people who do this are pathetic in the extreme (i.e. Hi Sec, Lo and Null should always be a free-for-all) I have also come to the understanding that they AND the RnG are necessary evils. Without these two things, Hi Sec exploration would be overrun with people in no time flat and would cease to exist as a viable profession. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
676
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Posted - 2012.09.08 15:35:00 -
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You think I'm pathetic Mia? :( |
Melina Lin
Universal Frog
33
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:43:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:You think I'm pathetic Mia? :(
If I understand correctly: Pathetic thief in the extreme.  |
Arec Bardwin
719
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:43:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:You think I'm pathetic Mia? :( Actually, you are a necessary evil.
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Mia Lang
Department of Planetary Services
SOLAR FEDERATION ALLIANCE
4
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Posted - 2012.09.08 20:26:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:You think I'm pathetic Mia? :(
you do not run around hi sec in a 100mn fit with the sole intent of taking a plex from someone who cannot fight for it. You are where you belong out there with the big boy plexs in Sov. I doubt you'd lower yourself to do this. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
676
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Posted - 2012.09.08 21:23:00 -
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I used to do that though 
Good times in Lonetrek. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2012.09.11 13:15:00 -
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i once stole a 10mn mwd, a c-type EAMN and armor repper. thug life.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
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