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Scorpii Orion
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:30:00 -
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Everyone and their mother seems to be ditching their T2 BPO's suddenly... Anything at SISI? Leaked info?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:34:00 -
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Welcome to the last 5 years?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:36:00 -
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QUICK THE SKY IS FALLING !!!
I couldn't possibly be that organizations with several T2 BPOs are hitting some roadbumps in their war efforts and trying to find some quick liquidity, no, sir, that's impossible !
And nobody, I repeat, absolutely nobody finds the thought of "3 years to breakeven" to be a tad bit too long, so everybody wants to hold on to their T2 BPOs even if they could get 3 year's worth of profit effort-free right now !
[/sarcasm]
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:38:00 -
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tbh Akita, the 3 year profit is so 2010...apparently nowaday its 5-8 years
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:42:00 -
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Pfft.
I find even 2 years to be a bit hard to stomach, let alone 5.
I am curious how long until (or even if) prices will ever go down to more reasonable RoIs.
I mean, seriously, 3 years is basically 2% per month with recapitalization, that's horribly low IMO.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:45:00 -
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Better than no roi when you have trillions sitting around doing nothing
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/05/2011 22:00:49
It's not exactly no effort at all though.
You still have to buy the components, haul them to the factory (no point even trying to manufacture IN a trade hub) and then haul the product back to the market once per month. Plus, you'll probably want to manufacture in a POS to take full advantage of the BPO, which is even more work (hauling fuel on at least a weekly basis).
Compared to that, lazily placing a few huge orders which you adjust once a week or even less often for next to no effort at all could probably get you a very similar monthly RoI.
Back on track though - there could be ONE reason people are trying to sell a bit more T2 BPOs right now than usual, namely the expected drop in datacore prices (thanks to increased RP gains for all R&D agents, combined with heavily reduced grind needs for better agent access).
That would mean a drop in T2 prices, which would mean a reduction in T2 BPO profitability (so, even lower RoIs *or* a drop in T2 BPO prices - either way, owners are slightly more motivated to sell).
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Tasko Pal
Volatilis Legion
Citex Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:58:00 -
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It's a bubble.
I like threads like this. They let me say "bubble" without looking like a complete idiot.
The causes are classic. There's a growing body of rich people, not all of them investment experts, and not so much for them to do. Brock hit on why they would buy T2 BPOs at inflated prices. My thinking is that the high ROIs and CCP's actions are making current BPO holders uncomfortable at the least. Sure everyone would rather have a nice modest income increase rather than nothing. But the problem is that with the current long thresholds, CCP may nerf without warning the investment. Losing money is not part of the plan.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.23 22:01:00 -
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More like, the start of a bubble implosion...
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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2011.05.23 22:15:00 -
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So you remember that time in elemntary school where you took you pants off in the middle of class? Remember how your parents explained that there is a difference between "good attention" and "bad attention"? It seems you may have forgotten that lesson. Please put your pants back on
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Johnathan Billabong
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Posted - 2011.05.23 22:29:00 -
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It all depends on the BPO. The ROI's on different T2 BPOs varies A TON.
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Seminole Sun
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Posted - 2011.05.23 23:29:00 -
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They're traded so rarely that it's hard to put ROI in consistent terms. I'm sure there have been some instances of (for example) a Cap Recharger II BPO going for 2 years to repayment and (another random example) Ishtar going for 5 years. It doesn't mean the next cap recharger II or Ishtar sale will be either of those numbers.
I'd equate it more to an auction of fine art. Do it in a good economic year and it looks like prices are through the roof and do it in a bad year and the prices look like they're falling. But the fact is, it's more about if you can find a buyer and seller at matched prices.
As for repayment, you have to factor in that, all things being equal, you're likely to fully recover an asset equivalent amount.
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Marshiro
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Posted - 2011.05.24 02:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
Pfft.
I find even 2 years to be a bit hard to stomach, let alone 5.
I am curious how long until (or even if) prices will ever go down to more reasonable RoIs.
I mean, seriously, 3 years is basically 2% per month with recapitalization, that's horribly low IMO.
How about never.
As Isk and other assets gets more and more overstocked compared to consumption, reliable passive income becomes more and more difficult to obtain and real interests rate would drop.
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.05.24 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
There's a growing body of rich people, not all of them investment experts, and not so much for them to do.
With PLEX prices hitting new highs, jr industrialists are cashing in GTCs by the handful and using this new isk to "finally get that T2 BPO they've always wanted."
There were at least a dozen of these over the weekend: "WTS 7x GTC 720M"
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2011.05.24 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: clixor on 24/05/2011 11:05:26
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
There were at least a dozen of these over the weekend: "WTS 7x GTC 720M"
And that's about, 5B? That won't get you very far, unless you're shopping in the collector items category.
T2 prices keep going down, now, even with a T2 BPO you could make profit, or just ride out the storm. The bottleneck imo in this market is getting items sold.
People buy T2's because they think it's easy profit, but if you have be 0.01 isking all day than it suddenly became a whole lotta work (and if you're not getting the whole market, what's the ROI time then? 10years?)
That leaves big alliances, like Akita said, hauling the components (or making them yourself, what's even more logistical work) is just .. meh... With lower prices why not pay just a little bit more and buy the t2 item itself and save yourself the trouble.
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Tasko Pal
Volatilis Legion
Citex Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.24 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: clixor
That leaves big alliances, like Akita said, hauling the components (or making them yourself, what's even more logistical work) is just .. meh... With lower prices why not pay just a little bit more and buy the t2 item itself and save yourself the trouble.
If the alliance is already doing the logistical work (eg, they already make t2 components in deep 0.0 space), then there's a bit of synergy. You can sell some of the stuff you make to generate a local profit where before you might have had to haul the stuff to empire.
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Cassina Lemour
Minmatar
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.24 14:26:00 -
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They should make it sensible to copy T2 BPO.
Then we would could use them as bear-bonds.
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Hurtful Words
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.05.24 16:44:00 -
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I think a decent number of the sales you see for t2 bpo's are fake. Just people trying to foster the illusion of having them or having a ton of isk.
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