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Apex Bex	Posted - 2011.05.24 00:59:00 - [1] Looking for a little advice on this skill tree. As someone who spends most of his time in WH Space the import of efficient scanning is not lost on me. However, I'm debating whether Astrometrics level 5 is worth it. Two questions I have are... 1. Deep Space probes are much better/different to Sisters probes? 2. Do Deep space probes require an expanded launcher? Any feedback is appreciated.
Iurnan Mileghere Singularity Foundation	Posted - 2011.05.24 01:52:00 - [2] As far as I'm aware, the primary differentiator for deep space probes was removed years ago. They may still have extended range, but that's about it.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat	Posted - 2011.05.24 02:26:00 - [3] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 24/05/2011 02:27:27 Originally by: Apex Bex 1. Deep Space probes are much better/different to Sisters probes? 256 au range is extremely helpful when scanning large systems. It makes it easy to tell what size all the signatures are, so you know which ones you want to scan completely down. I Typically use 1 deep space and 5 core probes. Originally by: Apex Bex 2. Do Deep space probes require an expanded launcher? Deep space probes are 10 times larger than core probes, so yes you need an expanded probe launcher. I use a Tengu fit specifically for scanning. It only has a covert cloak and an expanded probe launcher in the high-slots. All T3 can be fit for scanning, as well as T1 scanning frigates, and Covert Ops of course. [Tengu, Prober] 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I Nanofiber Internal Structure II Photon Scattering Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II X-Large Shield Booster II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Proton Power Amarr Retirement Retreat	Posted - 2011.05.24 11:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 24/05/2011 02:54:18 Originally by: Apex Bex 1. Deep Space probes are much better/different to Sisters probes? 256 au range is extremely helpful when scanning large systems. It makes it easy to tell what size all the signatures are, so you know which ones you want to scan completely down. It can be done with a 64 au combat probe, or a 32 au core probe, but is a pain on large systems. Example: * Small sig: mag sites, D792 random to-hisec wormholes, high quality ladar and grav sites. * Medium sig (2x small): radar sites, medium quality ladar and grav sites * Between medium and large: C3 statics * Large sigs (2x medium): K162, most static wormholes, low quality ladar and grav sites I Typically use 1 deep space and 5 core probes. Originally by: Apex Bex 2. Do Deep space probes require an expanded launcher? Core Probe Launcher holds 0.8 m3. A Deep Space Probe is 1 m3, so yes, you need an Expanded Probe Launcher. I use a Tengu fit specifically for scanning. It only has a covert cloak and an expanded probe launcher in the high-slots. All T3 can be fit for scanning, as well as T1 scanning frigates, and Covert Ops of course. [Tengu, Prober] 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I Nanofiber Internal Structure II Photon Scattering Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II X-Large Shield Booster II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Stop being cheap, get T2 Rigs :)
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.05.24 12:40:00 - [5] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 24/05/2011 02:54:18 Originally by: Apex Bex 1. Deep Space probes are much better/different to Sisters probes? 256 au range is extremely helpful when scanning large systems. It makes it easy to tell what size all the signatures are, so you know which ones you want to scan completely down. It can be done with a 64 au combat probe, or a 32 au core probe, but is a pain on large systems. Example: * Small sig: mag sites, D792 random to-hisec wormholes, high quality ladar and grav sites. * Medium sig (2x small): radar sites, medium quality ladar and grav sites * Between medium and large: C3 statics * Large sigs (2x medium): K162, most static wormholes, low quality ladar and grav sites I Typically use 1 deep space and 5 core probes. Originally by: Apex Bex 2. Do Deep space probes require an expanded launcher? Core Probe Launcher holds 0.8 m3. A Deep Space Probe is 1 m3, so yes, you need an Expanded Probe Launcher. I use a Tengu fit specifically for scanning. It only has a covert cloak and an expanded probe launcher in the high-slots. All T3 can be fit for scanning, as well as T1 scanning frigates, and Covert Ops of course. [Tengu, Prober] 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I Nanofiber Internal Structure II Photon Scattering Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II X-Large Shield Booster II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Stop being cheap, get T2 Rigs :) A T2 scanning rig has a calibration cost of 300, and it is better to fit 2 T1 scanning rigs than 1 T2 rig.
Proton Power Amarr Retirement Retreat	Posted - 2011.05.24 12:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 24/05/2011 02:54:18 Originally by: Apex Bex 1. Deep Space probes are much better/different to Sisters probes? 256 au range is extremely helpful when scanning large systems. It makes it easy to tell what size all the signatures are, so you know which ones you want to scan completely down. It can be done with a 64 au combat probe, or a 32 au core probe, but is a pain on large systems. Example: * Small sig: mag sites, D792 random to-hisec wormholes, high quality ladar and grav sites. * Medium sig (2x small): radar sites, medium quality ladar and grav sites * Between medium and large: C3 statics * Large sigs (2x medium): K162, most static wormholes, low quality ladar and grav sites I Typically use 1 deep space and 5 core probes. Originally by: Apex Bex 2. Do Deep space probes require an expanded launcher? Core Probe Launcher holds 0.8 m3. A Deep Space Probe is 1 m3, so yes, you need an Expanded Probe Launcher. I use a Tengu fit specifically for scanning. It only has a covert cloak and an expanded probe launcher in the high-slots. All T3 can be fit for scanning, as well as T1 scanning frigates, and Covert Ops of course. [Tengu, Prober] 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I 'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I Nanofiber Internal Structure II Photon Scattering Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II X-Large Shield Booster II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Stop being cheap, get T2 Rigs :) A T2 scanning rig has a calibration cost of 300, and it is better to fit 2 T1 scanning rigs than 1 T2 rig. You can fit 2 t2 rigs on a Tengu. He is being cheap ;)
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.05.24 14:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Proton Power You can fit 2 t2 rigs on a Tengu. He is being cheap ;) 300 + 300 = 600 Show me a tengu with 600 calibration.
Zifrian Deep Space Innovations	Posted - 2011.05.24 14:56:00 - [8] Big bonus for me with level five is the ability to scan down two sites at the same time (4 probes each). The deep space probes are kind of nice too when you just want a quick scan or find all the combat anoms.
Proton Power Amarr Retirement Retreat	Posted - 2011.05.24 16:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Loraine Gess Originally by: Proton Power You can fit 2 t2 rigs on a Tengu. He is being cheap ;) 300 + 300 = 600 Show me a tengu with 600 calibration. People take things way to serious, take a deep deep breath, look at my corps name, look at tau's corp name. Now use your math and see what conclusion you get.
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.05.24 16:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Loraine Gess Originally by: Proton Power You can fit 2 t2 rigs on a Tengu. He is being cheap ;) 300 + 300 = 600 Show me a tengu with 600 calibration. People take things way to serious, take a deep deep breath, look at my corps name, look at tau's corp name. Now use your math and see what conclusion you get. I know who you are proton, but you're posting wrong information. Even if you were kidding, it seemed you were serious. People actually read these forums for information, you know?

Cyniac Gallente Twilight Star Rangers	Posted - 2011.05.24 17:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Cyniac on 24/05/2011 17:24:08 Some of this has already been covered by Tau but in brief the advantages of astrometrics V 1) Deep Core Scanner Probes -- Need expanded core launchers -- Single scan of system will give a pretty good ID of the system sigs, great for when you are in a hurry to find that WH exit amongst 20 odd sigs. 2) 8 probes can be launched simultaneously -- improved shotgun scanning mainly, or a double tetrahedron scan some people like. 3) Allows better moon probes -- No effect in WHs and frankly most pilots I know have never used moon probes 4) Pre-req for jump portal generation -- This is probably not a concern right now but I thought I'd put it in there. Used for Titans and Black Ops. As with all skills, its a useful skill to have and deep space scanner probes are definately worth the time invested in them. The only question is whether its worth your time training it now instead of training something else.
Substantia Nigra	Posted - 2011.05.25 03:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Apex Bex I'm debating whether Astrometrics level 5 is worth it. For serious scanning I'd suggest that astrometrics 5 is well worth it, especially for w-space efforts. It gives you an extra probe, which for me has been of limited benefit. The main thing it offers is the use of deep space probes. Even tho deep space probes are nowhere near as useful as when they were first introduced their 256AU range, and ability to also 'see' ships, offers some great capability. They're not much use in actually scanning down objects (low scan strength) but they do let you do a quick one-scan stocktake of a system using just one probe. They also let you watch for ships while you're using core probes to locate sites ... by also having a single deep space deployed and set to maximal range.
Proton Power Amarr Retirement Retreat	Posted - 2011.05.25 13:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Loraine Gess Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Loraine Gess Originally by: Proton Power You can fit 2 t2 rigs on a Tengu. He is being cheap ;) 300 + 300 = 600 Show me a tengu with 600 calibration. People take things way to serious, take a deep deep breath, look at my corps name, look at tau's corp name. Now use your math and see what conclusion you get. I know who you are proton, but you're posting wrong information. Even if you were kidding, it seemed you were serious. People actually read these forums for information, you know? I am deeply deeply sorry that I told everyone Tau is cheap and that they can fit 2 rigs on a ship that wont fit.
Nuthyn	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:15:00 - [14] Slightly off topicà. I see that you have said that Lvl 5 Astrometrics is well worth it. What about the other 3 Astro skills??? Are any of them worth the time to get Lvl 5 in them?
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Nuthyn Slightly off topicà. I see that you have said that Lvl 5 Astrometrics is well worth it. What about the other 3 Astro skills??? Are any of them worth the time to get Lvl 5 in them? I think only you can judge that. For myself, I don't see any point in going past: * Astrometric Pinpointing 4 * Astrometric Rangefinding 4 * Astrometric Acquisition 3, and even this is questionable for a 3 second savings. That is also the order I'd prioritize them.


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