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Virgo Delta
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Posted - 2011.05.24 09:17:00 -
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Hi.
I am going to anchor my research pos /large caldari tower/ few jumps form Jita in good system with station, services, etc.
I have my two alts who will make research in the pos /PE&ME/. My pos will be full of labs, so there is lot free place for other researchers.
I am considering to rent this research slots to different research alts who will join my corp.
There is research aliance but I didnt find any research corp renting slots to members /other players research alts/.
Questions>
1. Good/bad idea?
2. What is the risk if corp roles are set right, and I am only CEO/director
3. Is there any interest for service like this?
4. Is is possible to form long therm cooperation with this alts?
5. How much can I charge per alt and month with full access to slots?
6. Can be profitable?
Thank you for your answers in advance.
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Gaius Clabbacus
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Posted - 2011.05.24 09:37:00 -
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Problem is the access to the corp hangars. With a research alliance the alts can stay in their own corp. If the alts are in the same corp they have to trust you with their BPOs, and there is the risk of people delivering jobs and making off with the BPOs (if alts are granted hangar access rights).
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.24 09:39:00 -
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Unless you are going to offer much reduced rates, or copy/invention slot use, I can't see the benefit for someone over joining a research alliance.
They would have to trust you because they need to put their BPOs into your hangars. They don't need to do that if they join a research alliance or set up an alt corp to do that. The biggest benefit to them would probably be copy and invention slots if you are willing to do that. However, you would have to consider that in order to give them access to copy/invention slots you would have to give them POS access and and hangar access to the labs, which then brings more potential problems.
Also consider that you would be a target for war decs and probably have to take labs offline during wars, so you couldn't guarantee full access at all times.
As to whether it would be profitable, you would have to weigh it up with what you are doing personally with your POS. If you are using it for research / invention whatever yourself, then it is already an overhead for you. Any additional income you get from sharing the POS is profit for you. Granted, there would be some additional cost if you could manage with a smaller tower otherwise.
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Virgo Delta
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Posted - 2011.05.24 09:57:00 -
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I see the problem now. Possible solution can be collateral payment for thers BPO in my hangar.
How many research alts can be serviced with big caldary tower full of labs?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.24 10:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Virgo Delta
I see the problem now. Possible solution can be collateral payment for thers BPO in my hangar.
How many research alts can be serviced with big caldary tower full of labs?
Throw up your POS layout in EVEHQ and see how many labs it can hold. Then calculate how many slots each will give, and how many you expect each to use. The rest is cake.
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reSARS alt
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Posted - 2011.05.24 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Virgo Delta
I see the problem now. Possible solution can be collateral payment for thers BPO in my hangar.
How many research alts can be serviced with big caldary tower full of labs?
To protect you from scams..
What keeps someone from asking a colleteral, put the BPO in research, cancel the job when you are not around and run off with the BPO and your colleteral.
Ofcourse assuming that you let them do their own reseach and give them rights to do so.
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Skarii TuThess
Lansez Innovations
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Posted - 2011.05.24 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Virgo Delta
Questions>
1. Good/bad idea?
2. What is the risk if corp roles are set right, and I am only CEO/director
3. Is there any interest for service like this?
4. Is is possible to form long therm cooperation with this alts?
5. How much can I charge per alt and month with full access to slots?
6. Can be profitable?
1. Good idea
2. You have to give each alt (or group if they come together and trust each other) a hangar each. You also need to give them a wallet division so they can put funds into it (which then gets moved to the master wallet when the rent a slot). However all members must have the facility to install jobs, and I'm 99% sure that means they can end them too - even other people's.
3. There is a lot of interest, but see later...
4. Definitely.
5. One Stop Research charges around 15k ISK / hour usage for ME, and a little less for PE. No installation fee. As you can only hire your corp out to 6 groups you may also want to charge them for being in your corp. There's no standard, but the most common fee I've see is a 1 time 50m ISK joining fee.
6. Yes the ROI can be good if usage is high. The biggest downside is that you pay for pos fuel costs even if empty, so it is not sustainable with a small customer base. You really need at least 30% slot usage for a 15-lab pos.
One of the biggest barriers is that people often do research on the side with their mains, and they can;t put these into your research corp. Therefore it may be better to use the alliance mechanism, but rather than using a pure research alliance (which also has the main vs alt issue) you can hook up with an existing alliance that doesn't have these services.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.05.24 13:03:00 -
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A few thoughts:
1. Corp Divisions: Assign each customer a hangar division to prevent thefts between customers.
2. Low value BPOs: Lots of people need cheap BPOs researched or copied. Theft by you of their BPOs would be pretty low risk. Remember, they know where your tower is.
3. High value BPOs with collateral: Someone gives you their valuable BPO, you give them collateral. You put it in a hangar division they don't have access to, but they can still run jobs from it. When they are done with the research, the BPO and collateral are exchanged. (You could charge them interest on the collateral.)
This all assumes that corp divisions work with research jobs and BPOs the way I think they do, but I haven't tested it. If so, this business idea probably fills a niche. You can provide cheap research for a few select individuals (probably renting by the slot, not the job) and you don't have to pay the cost for an alliance and deal with the wardecs major research alliances face.
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Virgo Delta
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Posted - 2011.05.24 13:33:00 -
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Thank you for helpful comments.
I will make calculations. If anyone would be interested in this kind of service, pls contact me in game.
Plan is to test "functionality" of this solution with corp hangars next week.
Considering option> service will be free for first week.
If you have any ideas/tips/questions, pls. post here.
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