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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.24 11:15:00 -
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The Pitch
VGE is a supply chain organisation looking for smaller investors to take advantage of modest expansion opportunity in current operations through an IPO. The investment has no fixed term, but will provide a relatively healthy ongoing return. VGE see this as an opportunity to source the required funding for expansion without liquidating assets, but also regards this as an opportunity at gaining secondary market experience.
This thread is to gauge interest with no committment on my part.
The Background
With the exception of blowing crap up thereÆs not a whole lot I donÆt dabble in around New Eden.
I basically have your boiler plate supply chain corporation from planetary interaction, mining, research, invention, manufacturing, logistics and trading. Fortunately, over the years IÆve built up some reasonable earners here and there and picked up a steady client base at the same time who pay reasonably well.
However, thereÆs one thing IÆve never had a try at and that is putting any sort of real rigour into the way IÆve managed many aspects of the business. I know itÆs profitable as the ISK continues to flow. Good numbers are good but only so much fun for a while in the context of sitting in a wallet.
I thought I would be able to get a bit more ôbusiness likeö by trying to go down the corporation path. Maybe itÆs just me, but the effort of herding cats was just not my style. Recruiting was time consuming, offering support while having healthy levels of scepticism was doing my head in. So it was time for a ôPlan Bö.
The Proposal
One thing IÆve always wanted to try is a manageable IPO for smaller investors that gives punters who arenÆt in the bazillionaires club a chance to have a dip, and if it all turns pear shaped, I can flog off the assets, we all have a laugh at my incompetence and everyone gets their money back.
So we are talking a very simple model here. Limited shares, relatively modest issue values, a halfway average percentage return, no end date in mind, secondary market if desired, any buy back down the track at issue value.
The Plan
Keep doing what works basically û with one exception.
One of my customers has requested that I double volume of a certain range of items. That will take a few weeks to gear up. Some POS equipment, BPOs and consumables while research is done. My preference isnÆt to sell the stuff that already makes the ISK. Also, if they pull the order down the track I have a list of other people I can sell to.
Funds raised from this offering will be used to buy additional plant equipment and BPOs. However, I will effectively be performing an asset swap so that it will be the established parts of the business that produce the dividends to shareholders to reduce risk and get dividends flowing right off the bat.
The Why
Yeah, I know thereÆs no real economic benefit of taking a small amount of funds when I could easily self-fund and keep all the profits myself. As explained this is simply what not this is about.
The Governance
As mentioned this is just me. No corporation theft, no dependencies. Unless I start spinning up imaginary friends as well as research alts no-one gets near the corporate wallet.
Because all the cool kids are doing it IÆm more than likely to spin up a one member SPV corporation to handle shares and dividends.
No restrictions on a secondary market besides an investor concentration (more below) that really can't be enforced because of alts I know. And IÆm saying it now if you want to trade shares do it through myself or a trusted third party. Obviously thereÆs nothing I can do if you get scammed out of your shares and I will just issue dividends via the in game system. So take care.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.24 11:17:00 -
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The Collateral
Yeah happy to chuck some out there if required. As a crazy side project I actually collect Tritanium for no other purpose simply to collect it. IÆve got a bit of a pile of that these days. Also, I have highly researched BPOs, ships etc. IÆm sure we can sort out something as long as it doesnÆt stuff up too much my ability to make ISK. My preference is to just see who is interested before I start locking up assets for a small share issue with no end date. At most I would only have collateral locked down for 10 weeks so as to not bleed ISK on that front for too long.
The Assets
Oh man, insert several man years of collecting stuff here. Enough stuff to run the afore mentioned industry and cover the buyout in the event of total loss of everything. I would have to put my NAV up as at least 10-15 Billion ISK and thatÆs only counting a couple of hangers worth of stuff.
The Liabilities / Exposures
Nada.
The Audit
I have no feelings for or against an audit. I just think it looks like a bloody thankless task and I donÆt think anyone needs to be subjected to the process until there are questions around performance or expansion. Happy to do it, just can't yet see the point of people paying for one yet.
The Risks
Scam
Yes, I know the obvious and valid questions around reputation grinding and similar. And I know the defence of ôitÆs not walk away ISKö doesnÆt carry much weight or the fact that small scale returns are easy to produce, legitimately or otherwise.
Frankly, if thatÆs all you can see thereÆs little I can probably ever do to change your mind on that one. If people are that gun shy see the collateral part of my post.
Hit by a bus
With respect guys. I have my own business and four kids. If I canÆt play because of circumstances beyond my control you are seriously on your own.
Burn Out
Did I mention four kids? This operation keeps me sane. Burn out is not likely given IÆm not going to be doing anything different to what I have for the last couple of years.
War
As a corporation engaged in POS activities a war would be fairly disruptive but not the end of the world. In the event of war the operation would be shut down until everyone gets bored and I move or they move on.
The Future
One thing at a time. There may be an expansion or just a buyback. IÆm not going to rule anything in or out. However, the exit strategy is pretty clear it will be a basic buy back at issue value. However, thereÆs no exact timing on that. Although, no matter how poor I perform you wonÆt lose out.
If you want to sell and canÆt find a buyer it will be 75% of issue value on return of shares pre-end of dividend period (which you will be paid) to keep it all clean. I reserve the right to refuse a buyback.
The question though û can I scale? The answer in my mind is yes. The number of skilled alts is steadily rising. Trading is becoming more a part of the business and experience has taught me to maximise my time.
So if I ever come back and talk about some other new venture don't be suprised.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.24 11:19:00 -
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The Numbers
Now the breakdown:
Number of shares: 200 Issue price per share: ISK 10,000,000 Total issue value: ISK 2,000,000,000 Issue bundle: 10 (ISK 100,000,000) Market concentration: 20 per investor Dividend schedule: Every 4th weekend (dates TBA) Anticipated return: Minimum 5%
The Questions
Have at you! Well, have at me really.
The Reserved Post
You can express interest here, keeping it all public. No drama with that. And it doesn't have to be all done in five minutes, so no big rush.
In advance, I apologise for any errors etc. be nice if you could offer feedback without taking out the one wood.
Thanks for reading!
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.24 11:21:00 -
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The Reserved Post (The Revenge)
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khai88
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Posted - 2011.05.24 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: khai88 on 24/05/2011 13:06:08 reserve 10 share for me, pending you pass the flame that coming in very fast PS so the max per investor can buy is 20 and min is 10?
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Arancar Australis
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Posted - 2011.05.24 15:48:00 -
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Please reserve 10 shares.
When would you like the ISk to be sent your way?
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Skarii TuThess
Lansez Innovations
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Posted - 2011.05.24 16:23:00 -
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FWIW I think that VV is still available for audit services and that it can be paid for from the audit fund that RAW23 is holding.
I'd like a basic audit just to confirm a rough NAV and that you are making a profit through current activities.
Pending this I'd like to reserve 10 shares. Would be happy to increase to 20 if you don't fill it, but am happy to let others get in on this along your desire to give people a chance at investing.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.05.24 16:33:00 -
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Is 20 shares max? I will take 20 shares then. ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways |
Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.05.24 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Skarii TuThess I'd like a basic audit just to confirm a rough NAV and that you are making a profit through current activities.
I'd like to reserve 20 shares after this. ---
Originally by: Sporked EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Das Miner
Gallente Thunder Bolt Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.24 19:00:00 -
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Good luck. Plan looks cool.
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Gr8er
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Posted - 2011.05.24 19:18:00 -
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I'd like to reserve 10 shares, but i'll take 20 if you get an audit.
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Brac Mingan
Minmatar AAW2k
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Posted - 2011.05.24 20:08:00 -
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I'd like to reserve 10 shares.
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Isaar Kirom
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Posted - 2011.05.24 20:51:00 -
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Reserve 20 shares.
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Dark Tenshi
Gallente Aeria Gloris Inc
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Posted - 2011.05.24 21:54:00 -
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Reserve 10 shares please, if still opened for business. --- Best regards, Alexander "Angelius" Filippov, Technological Deep |
Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2011.05.24 22:04:00 -
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..This looks like a great fit for Tutskii's fact checking service.
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Aris Aurora
Caldari Black Mesa
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Posted - 2011.05.25 01:59:00 -
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i would like to reserve 20 shares.... unfortunatly i dont have nessary amout of money. i am still trying to sell my dam adv mobile labs. they r just lying there in jita all 14 of them. hw soon would you like the money? an dhow soon will u let ur shares out?
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.25 04:14:00 -
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Update
Thank you all for your feedback and questions to date.
I have included an FAQ with questions from this thread and in game.
Also is a list of expressions of interest for both non-audit and basic audit.
I look forward to your responses.
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Kaine Altra
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Posted - 2011.05.25 04:26:00 -
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Reserve 10 Shares.
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Aris Aurora
Caldari Black Mesa
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Posted - 2011.05.25 05:39:00 -
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umm wats the diff between basic and no adut?
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Korgall
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Posted - 2011.05.25 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Korgall on 25/05/2011 06:07:11 I am very interested in your venture, but as im rather new to EVE, Id like to clarify a thing for a newb like me :)
The "Issue bundle" does that mean that smallest share number you sell is 10 shares ?
If not Id like 5 shares :)
Edit: Spelling
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Skarii TuThess
Lansez Innovations
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Posted - 2011.05.25 07:12:00 -
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Graic,
rather than a basic audit I'd be happy if you wanted to use Tutskii's fact checking service. It's free. The questions I'd like answered, please, are:
What is your NAV? (roughly to the nearest 1bn) Are you currently running industrial operations? (yes/no) If yes what is the ISK tied up in your industrial operations?(roughly to the nearest 1bn) Do you run these operations from a POS? (yes/no)
Thanks.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.25 11:07:00 -
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Update
khai88
Confirming receipt of ISK. Thank you.
Aris Aurora
Basically more people have offered to invest if I can demonstrate that what I have outlined in my proposal is true.
As auditors are as rare as hen's teeth these days some people can go for "audit-lite" which just checks a few facts. No audit is just that. It operates just on a model of trust.
Korgall
No, problem. Happy to clarify. This is my first offering so we are kind of in the same boat.
Just for the sake of making all of this easier to setup I have decided to sell initial shares in bundles of 10. The minumum being 10, the maximum being 20.
Skarii TuThess
I continue to think about it. I was kind of hoping to have one of the regular MD auditors able to look at this to establish some kind of continuity if I need further audits. I haven't finished my EVE mail exchanges with those people yet. I'll keep people updated.
As for your questions, yes they are fair enough to have answered. Pending independant verification I just as an idea on NAV I just ran through a few items with very conservative numbers:
- Freighters and Hulks
- Minerals
- Data cores
- BPOs
- POS equipment
- Sell orders (over buy orders)
Not even looking at character values, other ships, collectables, modules, tags, moon materials, PI stock piles etc. I got to over 15 Billion and stopped counting.
Yes, as described in my offer I am running industrial operations.
For ISK tied up in industrial operations? Not that much, only about 5 Billion sunk into items that would need to be pulled down, moved back to a market to be sold.
Yes, as also oulined above (and detailed under risks) I use a POS.
Thanks for your interest.
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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.05.25 11:26:00 -
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I would like to reserve 20 shares, and for such a minimal outlay I am not fussed about an audit.
KV
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Tom Hagen
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Posted - 2011.05.25 12:04:00 -
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Hello Graic,
This looks like an interesting venture and it would be interesting to join. If availible, please sign me up for 20 shares. Relatively small investment means that audit does not concern me.
Best regards,
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Zaveed
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Posted - 2011.05.25 12:09:00 -
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I'd be interested in getting in on this venture. I'd like to reserve 10 shares, without need for an audit.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.25 12:26:00 -
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Update
Khanid Voltar, Tom Hagen & Zaveed
Thank you for your support.
Reserved list has been updated.
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Skarii TuThess
Lansez Innovations
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Posted - 2011.05.25 12:51:00 -
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Totally understand Graic, and I think it is a good idea to have continuity. Not trying to put you off of having a full audit from an established auditor, just letting you know that I would be fine if it was just a verification service.
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Jean Baptiste Johansson
High-Tech Duct Tape DUCT TAPE UNION
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Posted - 2011.05.25 15:18:00 -
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I'll do the final 30 shares. I know it's more than your 20 share max but that's how I roll.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:09:00 -
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Update
Jean Baptiste Johansson
Thank you for the offer, but I'm sorry I can't do 30 shares.
I have an in game offer made before your own that I will honour.
The offer was by Isaar Kirom for 20 shares leaving only 10.
I would be more than happy to reserve those 10 for you if you are still interested?
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Isaar Kirom
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Posted - 2011.05.25 22:30:00 -
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Just a note: You have me listed twice as having reserved 20 shares. I would be happy to pick up 40, I just wanted to bring this to your attention.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.25 23:05:00 -
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Update
Isaar Kirom
Ah, sorry to you and to everyone else for that. I had double counted your in thread and in game offer.
Jean Baptiste Johansson
Thank you, we're on. Let's make it 30 and just get going.
Anyone else on the reserved list who would have liked to go above 20 shares I will accept funds for 30 shares so that things are fair. I'm sure I can find a way to get any additional ISK into my operations - easily.
I just wanted to say thank you all so much for the incredibly positive tone people have had in this thread for my first offering.
It has been most appreciated!
So basically...
Send your ISK! We are a GO!
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Aris Aurora
Caldari Black Mesa
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Posted - 2011.05.26 00:03:00 -
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can i get 30 shares? i just gt some isk in :) and do i just send u the isk?
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Jean Baptiste Johansson
High-Tech Duct Tape DUCT TAPE UNION
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Posted - 2011.05.26 02:22:00 -
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ISK sent for 30 shares. Let's see where this journey takes us.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:25:00 -
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Update Originally by: Aris Aurora can i get 30 shares? i just gt some isk in :) and do i just send u the isk?
Aris Aurora
The answer is Yes to both questions.
Please send ISK to this character.
I hope to follow up as soon as possible with a dividend schedule and complete investor list as soon as people have had a chance to send ISK.
After this I will start the Corporation to create shares and begin distribution.
As committed to in my offering as soon as ISK arrives I will be doing an asset swap with existing plant equipment so there will be no lag on dividends for the first four week period.
Remember, dividends are paid every four weeks, not monthly.
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Skarii TuThess
East Aridia Trading Company
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Posted - 2011.05.26 07:35:00 -
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Hi Graic, as the no-audit share list now fills up 200/200, can I get confirmation on where the reservations pending an audit that you offered to get in your OP stand please?
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Aris Aurora
Caldari Black Mesa
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:30:00 -
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isky sent waiting for reply
let c where my first investment takes me
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:28:00 -
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300 mil isk sent for 30 shares. ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways |
khai88
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:30:00 -
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another 100m send for a total of 30 share, hope i get good dividend when on holiday
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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.05.26 16:09:00 -
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I'll also be in for 30, cash will be sent in the morning.
KV
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Tom Hagen
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Posted - 2011.05.26 16:15:00 -
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I would also like to expand to the 30 shares that are now allowed.
ISK will be wired in 6-8 hours.
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Tom Hagen
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Posted - 2011.05.26 16:40:00 -
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300mil ISK sent
GLHF!
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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.05.27 07:04:00 -
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isk sent
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.28 00:41:00 -
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Reservation Update
Hello all, an update on share amounts and ISK received. Apologies for the lack of posting, that forum outage came at a bad time.
khai88 - 30 Shares - ISK Received Arancar Australis - 10 Shares Cista2 - 30 Shares - ISK Received Gr8er - 10 Shares Brac Mingan - 10 Shares - ISK Received Isaar Kirom - 20 Shares - ISK Received Dark Tenshi - 10 Shares Aris Aurora - 30 Shares - ISK Received Khanid Voltar - 30 Shares - ISK Received Tom Hagen - 30 Shares - ISK Received Zaveed - 10 Shares Jean Baptiste Johansson - 30 Shares - ISK Received
If those outstanding would be kind enough to transfer the last of the ISK then I can publish a dividend calendar and start in anger.
Skarii TuThess
If I expand, and if I've been able to schedule the audit for an appropriate time it's only fair that those people with reservations pending audit are given first option - and the existing shareholders of course.
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Smashego
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Posted - 2011.05.28 01:28:00 -
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Please message me in game and reserve 10 shares please.
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Zaveed
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Posted - 2011.05.28 02:34:00 -
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Sorry for the delay, haven't been able to get ingame for a bit.
Le iskies are away
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Arancar Australis
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Posted - 2011.05.28 05:38:00 -
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Isk Sent
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Dark Tenshi
Gallente Aeria Gloris Inc
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Posted - 2011.05.29 09:59:00 -
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Sent 100mil ISK --- Best regards, Alexander "Angelius" Filippov, Technological Deep |
Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.31 10:43:00 -
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Update
Hello again. Sorry I've been a bit quiet. Had quite a bit on. OK, the final payments for the kick-off of the IPO are as follows:
khai88 - 30 Shares - ISK Received Arancar Australis - 10 Shares - ISK Received Cista2 - 30 Shares - ISK Received
Gr8er - 10 Shares Brac Mingan - 10 Shares - ISK Received Isaar Kirom - 20 Shares - ISK Received Dark Tenshi - 10 Shares - ISK Received Aris Aurora - 30 Shares - ISK Received Khanid Voltar - 30 Shares - ISK Received Tom Hagen - 30 Shares - ISK Received Zaveed - 10 Shares - ISK Received Jean Baptiste Johansson - 30 Shares - ISK Received
240/200 Shares of the original proposed. If you read back over the thread the IPO was over-subscribed for a few of the original investors which I'm OK with and assumingly they are as well.
Gr8er - I haven't heard from you unfortunately. Please contact me if you are still interested or I will swap you out to the reserved list.
Speaking of the reserved list I am just bouncing EVE mails to those who sent in game requests for details, will sort those with in thread posts and will publish a reservation list so everything is closed out in case there is an expansion and/or audit.
Dividend Schedule
As per the proposal the target dividend will be minimum 5% every four weeks, not monthly. Also, as I stated there would be a straight asset swap with existing plant the schedule has already started. Dividends will be paid by 12 Midnight GMT every 4th Sunday (absolute best efforts apply) on the following dates:- 26/06/2011
- 24/07/2011
- 21/08/2011
- 18/09/2011
- 16/10/2011
- 13/11/2011
- 11/12/2011
- 08/01/2012
- 05/02/2012
- 04/03/2012
(I have only listed dates for ten payments so far - this is not an indication of the end of the IPO)
Thanks for everyone's support to date!
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:11:00 -
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Hello All!
Picked a heck of a day to update my IPO thread, but maybe people will enjoy the distraction. Investors should have received shares from my Non-operating Company corporation - The NOC Shop (did you see what I did there!)
I will post momentarily to confirm my alt.
As previously indicated if you want to trade shares in The NOC Shop do it carefully as I will simply issue dividends based on the shareholder list. I simply don't have the time or inclination to sort out who scammed who of what shares arguments. Ask me or a trusted third party both the buyer and seller trust.
Non-financial Update of Sorts
Well, as indicated I'm pretty much doing what I said I would do and fold your investment into current operations. No wiz-bang business models to invent, just a ISK injection to give things a kick. Returns are pretty much tracking as expected and probably over the 5%. Personally I'd like to get some nice returns going as opposed to the recent state of MD affairs, but I digress.
With dividends I'll provide some breakdowns of how I've spent your hard earned.
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Elijah Anderson
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:32:00 -
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Confirming I am CEO of The NOC Shop, the Non-operating Company Corporation for Valente Galactic Enterprises.
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:05:00 -
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Dividend Update - Period #1 - 26 June 2011 Dark days in EVE but VGE is running nicely 4 weeks in.
Dividends are due, and they have been paid above projections at 10%.
IÆm too tired to go into depth at the moment, IÆll jot down some updates on the train during the week.
Thanks for reading!
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Arancar Australis
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:14:00 -
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Dividend received.
Nice start mate
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.06.26 17:56:00 -
[53]
Received , with thanks ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways |
Ariana DeSoto
Howling Penguin Research Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.06.27 05:56:00 -
[54]
Very groovy. My naughty bits are tingling.
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Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.06.27 17:46:00 -
[55]
Received, ah bo u ja
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Ariana DeSoto
Howling Penguin Research Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.07.27 20:46:00 -
[56]
Bumping cause my wallet no flashy flashy on the 24th.
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Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.08.04 08:46:00 -
[57]
I too failed to receive a July Dividend.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.08.04 22:46:00 -
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scammed again khanid?
you need to stop investing in erryfink _________________________________________________
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Tom Hagen
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Posted - 2011.08.08 16:58:00 -
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Has anyone been in contact with Graic?
Or shall we just declare this as another scam? Kind of odd thou to pay out one dividen before he did that..
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Khanid Voltar
Night's Dawn Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.08.08 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Hagen Has anyone been in contact with Graic?
Or shall we just declare this as another scam? Kind of odd thou to pay out one dividen before he did that..
I have mailed him but he hasn't replied. I agree it makes no sense for him to have paid out a single payment.
Looking at his forum posting history it would seem he has gone from posting daily up until the end of June to not posting at all - so I'm gonna go with an unexpected RL scenario having come up.
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