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IDGAD
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Posted - 2011.05.27 19:36:00 -
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They ruin everyone's day, please remove or at least give me a reason why they exist at all.
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2011.05.27 20:27:00 -
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Dude Radar sites rock....(not trolling) I dont know why they make your day bad, Ill take them. They take 15mins to run and I cant make 40-80m
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.27 20:41:00 -
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 Originally by: BolsterBomb
Dude Radar sites rock....(not trolling) I dont know why they make your day bad, Ill take them. They take 15mins to run and I cant make 40-80m
Actually, I think he's talking about the 2 or 3 (???, unsure) radar "complexes" that exist. They are radar sites, but they involve a significant amount of pewpew and gates.
...If I remember correctly. It's been a while since I saw one.
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Baenus
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Posted - 2011.05.27 22:25:00 -
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If he is talking bout those radar plexes, they are in cosmos space iirc, and either low or null. If he's talking about normal hacking sites I'll have to go with "No fudgeing way". I do, however, support removeing drone plexes
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Jag Hiroshii
Rod Me Pod Me Spank Me Gank Me
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Posted - 2011.05.27 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: IDGAD
They ruin everyone's day, please remove or at least give me a reason why they exist at all.
I cry .. I cry
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.05.28 00:43:00 -
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Or add drone deadspace mods.
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IDGAD
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Posted - 2011.05.28 11:45:00 -
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Ok time for serious reply because I honestly can't believe anyone actually does Radar and Drone sites.
1) There aren't Radar Complexes, if there are they are in regions I've yet to venture and please reply with details on the so called Radar complexes (I don't expect any because they don't exist).
2)Radar. how do u make 40-80mil? u get datacores and skillbooks
3)Radars take longer to scan than the most difficult "unknown" combat complexes. When they are infinitely less valuable.
4)Drone. Limit them to drone space please, no one does them who has half a brain because of the logistics and effort required to get any profit.
5)Yes I'm whining and crying, but i pay for this game and don't like the hours of waste i put in scanning down this drivel.
I want some support from the eve community or some actually evidence of these things being worth anything over the combat plexes.
Another option, make them easier to scan down so they don't take knocking down to 1.0 au just to find yet again its a radar. Gravs don't show up much thank God or I'd whine about those too.
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Demonicly Posessed
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Posted - 2011.05.28 11:52:00 -
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Dah bSSS it does not suit my play style change it..
Hell im happy puppy if i find a gravi site or radar site. Radars just scan em down and go collect the stuff.
Drones well arguable but good to get high end minerals.
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IDGAD
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Posted - 2011.05.28 12:24:00 -
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It doesn't suit anyone's play style, everyone i talk to laughs at idiots running radars and drones. It's a joke. A very low percentage of eve community actually run Radar sites, but they are so prevalent in areas where no one runs them. And it still doesn't explain why they take longer to scan down, they are awful, again u make more isk just warping to belts.
Unfortunately anyone who agrees with limiting Drone/Radar, getting rid of them altogether, making them easier to scan, or just balancing them in any way to reflect their value is not going to post. Only those who want to aggravate someone with a grievance.
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luvmehard
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.28 13:07:00 -
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Why don't just ignore the radar sites? It is very easy to determine what all the sigs are in less than 30 seconds. Stop moaning like a <selfcensored> and either start skipping them of STFU.
/thread
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.05.28 13:36:00 -
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They should also remove drone missions, leaving only missions that are the most profitable.
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Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.05.28 14:42:00 -
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I would love it if CCP got rid of drone plexes, and I don't run radar sites at all. That said the OP is whining like a spoiled child, and if he's wasting oh so much time scanning down radars and drone sites, i suggest he get better at scanning. The fact that combat sites are somewhat hard to find simply contributes to the value of their rewards because there is a smaller supply.
Also, I can't imagine anyone pulling 40-80 mil out of a radar site without getting a lucky ship interface bpc. You usually get a few mil worth of datacores, and a handful of decryptors worth between 2 and 8 million. Usually from 0.0 radars I find myself getting between 10-25m per site. I've almost completely stopped doing radars.
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KWyz
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Posted - 2011.05.28 14:58:00 -
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Here's what I think:
I agree with removing drone complexes from areas where drones aren't endemic. For example, a newer player has almost zero use from the drone sites drops, and the chance of the sites dropping anything of value in very small.
Radars on the other hand simply need a rearranging of sorts. They're very useful in high-sec for beginner explorers(low sp players new to the game) since radar loot is relatively easy to find and sells okay, while the competition for it is virtually zero. In low and nullsec however Radar sites are crippled by stupid amounts of rats that come IN WAVES, the trigger for the waves being the opening of the containers. I'm pretty sure a lot more people would be running both radar and mag sites (i don't really think the loot is THAT bad) if they weren't such a b!tch to clear.
If they would JUST have all the rats spawned in the site already, or at least make it so there's just ONE wave and these things would be a lot more popular. (I believe that something like an ishtar can easily deal with the rats in any radar site).
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Lee Evans
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: luvmehard
Why don't just ignore the radar sites? It is very easy to determine what all the sigs are in less than 30 seconds. Stop moaning like a <selfcensored> and either start skipping them of STFU.
/thread
I think the main gripe is the fact you have to go quite far into the scanning proccess to be able to ignore them.In 0.0 They are not easily identified and ignored as you say, they are infact showing up as 'radar' later than a 10/10 would show as 'Unknown' for example.
And if you are spending your time doing Radar sites, then you are enjoying yourself for sure, but you're not makeing isk in a time efficient way.
Radar sites were made to implement the skill books and other 'stuff' for invention. problem is the skill books and Occult data thingies are not consumed for invention but are used once during setting up of an invention operation. And the datacores; everyone gets them from research agents so the price is too low compared to the effort required in getting them from a radar site.
Imagine they were the only source of Datacores. then you'd find that they were worth good isk and worth haveing such a small/tricky Signature to scan. Don't say "ahh there wouldn't be enough DC's for invention" cause obviously if this were the case cccp could make them drop larger quantities, ah damn then you'd need to do the sites in a hauler :P b*llocks to it I quit. CCCP you fix them I tried and failed.
On a side note , why is it so bad if someone moans ? Did you make the game? if so then get butthurt cause hes moaning at you. if not stfu and let the man whine.
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Idassa
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:36:00 -
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Alright, it's time to fix a few of your misconceptions! Originally by: IDGAD
1) There aren't Radar Complexes, if there are they are in regions I've yet to venture and please reply with details on the so called Radar complexes (I don't expect any because they don't exist).
There are indeed Radar complexes. However, they have nothing to do with 'regular' radar sites, from what I gather they are much more like a combat Ladar. For example, see http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Digital_Plexus Ignore the box on the right that says the class is Unknown... I found it and it's Radar, as it says in the first line of its description.
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2)Radar. how do u make 40-80mil? u get datacores and skillbooks
It's technically possible to make that much from a single radar, but you're right - it's not at all common.
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3)Radars take longer to scan than the most difficult "unknown" combat complexes. When they are infinitely less valuable.
Untrue. I scan in 0.0 every day, the toughest signatures (all of equal scanning difficulty) are as follows: Two combat sites (10/10 and the Fleet Staging Point), one combat Ladar site and one each of a Radar and Mag. No radar sites in 0.0 are more difficult to scan than the most difficult combat sites. The ones that are as hard to scan are quite rare - most are far, far easier.
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4)Drone. Limit them to drone space please, no one does them who has half a brain because of the logistics and effort required to get any profit.
Since they added the Drone regions, I'm inclined to agree with this. The same Drone site can stay put for literally weeks on end in the same system and it does get annoying. That said, I do on rare occasion see people doing Drone sites.
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5)Yes I'm whining and crying, but i pay for this game and don't like the hours of waste i put in scanning down this drivel.
I want some support from the eve community or some actually evidence of these things being worth anything over the combat plexes.
Complaining is fine, in limited amounts, as is campaigning for change. You don't want to cross the line to whining though, as that just annoys people. As has been mentioned by others, the sites you decry serve a very useful purpose, allowing those who are newer to exploration a profitable activity that doesn't have quite the competitiveness or difficulty of the "better" sites.
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Another option, make them easier to scan down so they don't take knocking down to 1.0 au just to find yet again its a radar. Gravs don't show up much thank God or I'd whine about those too.
In my opinion, there's no real need of this. If a site is a radar, I can eliminate it within 30 seconds to a minute tops, for the vast majority of sites. Perhaps you need to work on your technique?
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I think the main gripe is the fact you have to go quite far into the scanning proccess to be able to ignore them.In 0.0 They are not easily identified and ignored as you say, they are infact showing up as 'radar' later than a 10/10 would show as 'Unknown' for example.
Again, I must emphasize, there are no radar sites (at least in the nullsec I'm exploring) where there are ANY radars that are more difficult to scan down than a 10/10. None. There is one that is AS difficult. The rest are, by and large, much much easier.
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Rohnda on 28/05/2011 21:16:30
You guys are idiots.
Reward = Risk Edit: realised in this case its more of a Reward = Effort.
I have yet to run into a radar site that is hard to scan down compared to say a 10/10 ....
And on the drone plexes, You think you have to loot the alloyes to make isk of them right?
Good. Stay in that belief and leave them to me, ill take care of those lovely isk printing machines.
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Idassa
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Posted - 2011.05.28 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Rohnda
Edited by: Rohnda on 28/05/2011 21:16:30
I have yet to run into a radar site that is hard to scan down compared to say a 10/10 ....
There is one that is of equal difficulty. You may not have encountered them, but they exist.
(Please note I have no problem with this and don't think it ought to be changed.)
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Hathrul
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:15:00 -
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Ive always liked radars. especially for people starting with exploration. they are easy to clean and raise some decent isk. i kinda agree that the datacore drop is pretty much useless since those come from R&D agents, but the bpc's and decryptors are nice income if youre new.
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Sofa Raddis
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Posted - 2011.05.29 14:59:00 -
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Radars sure helped me alot with income when I started playing, as opposed to other "legit" incomes when you've just started out.
Guess that's why they are there, for newbs.... now move on.
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Jag Hiroshii
Rod Me Pod Me Spank Me Gank Me
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Posted - 2011.05.29 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hathrul
Ive always liked radars. especially for people starting with exploration. they are easy to clean and raise some decent isk. i kinda agree that the datacore drop is pretty much useless since those come from R&D agents, but the bpc's and decryptors are nice income if youre new.
The best lootz I've managed to get from Radar is the sacred manifesto. Are BPCs and Decryptors only found in 0.0 ?? :)
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Mongo LLLLLoid
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Posted - 2011.05.29 18:29:00 -
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High sec radars are worthless. Anyone who says lo sec/null sec radars are worthless are ******ed. If you fit an AB or MWD they literally take a few minutes and can definitely rake in anywhere from 20-150mill in a single site.
Bunch of damn high sec carebears
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IDGAD
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Posted - 2011.05.30 00:26:00 -
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Thanks for the input guys. Radars are still pitiful, 10/10, fleet staging, prov hq are indeed as difficult to scan but there in lies the problem, i have to scan the radars to find out if it's going to be a good plex. But this thread has definitely reached its limit, all opinions are great but none as good as mine so it doesn't matter :). I too scan nearly everyday, my technique is fine, maybe not as pro as some of you. But if you honestly are that good at scanning, there is no way you still take the time to run a radar site.
And there isn't a need for a comment for the Drone plexes, no one does them, they are fail. thank you CCP, now get to work please, my game is still not finished.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.05.30 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: IDGAD
Thanks for the input guys. Radars are still pitiful, 10/10, fleet staging, prov hq are indeed as difficult to scan but there in lies the problem, i have to scan the radars to find out if it's going to be a good plex. But this thread has definitely reached its limit, all opinions are great but none as good as mine so it doesn't matter :). I too scan nearly everyday, my technique is fine, maybe not as pro as some of you. But if you honestly are that good at scanning, there is no way you still take the time to run a radar site.
And there isn't a need for a comment for the Drone plexes, no one does them, they are fail. thank you CCP, now get to work please, my game is still not finished.
confirming that our opinions are not as equal as yours
confirming i don't take the time to run radar sites
confirming the DRF definitely don't do drone plexes
confirming you are not a troll
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Hathrul
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:09:00 -
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good, make a post, ignore the entire topic that follows, draw your own conclusion, be happy. :)
fly a droneboat and radars are awesome if you find some quiet lowsec. warp in, throw drones out, scan some more, check back if everything is dead, hack cans, go back to scanning
by the time you scanned a system with several anoms you got the radar done and anywhere between 20-100m in loot.
do ignore them
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Lee Evans
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hathrul
good, make a post, ignore the entire topic that follows, draw your own conclusion, be happy. :)
fly a droneboat and radars are awesome if you find some quiet lowsec. warp in, throw drones out, scan some more, check back if everything is dead, hack cans, go back to scanning
by the time you scanned a system with several anoms you got the radar done and anywhere between 20-100m in loot.
do ignore them
Am I just over looking this good loot ?
I see;
Datacores - not enough to supply invention. price maintained by Passive research agent farming (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong)- and so not really worth much.
BPC's - ok these are always Large t2 rig BPC's. They are 0 ME instead of the -4 that inventors get, so profit comes from the one less intact plate required to build(approx guesstimate) ? and also of all the t2 Large rigs how many do people use really, T2 Large salvage tackle anyone ?
Skill books - they were 200mil a go once. now they are 1 mil. I had 2 out of one site few years ago JACKPOT, I had 2 in one site yesterday great :P .
BPC's for Occult data thingies and the bits to make them ? isk here ?
The Occult ship data is better for sure. both of these, like the skillbooks, are bought once so they are not consumed they build up on the server making the price forever fall, right ?
So if I pool all that worthless crap together I get my 20mil ? replies containing just 'YES' will do. Its just the way you guys go I feel I'm missing something
If your experience is of lowsec or highsec please don't justify this being good isk because its easy. in 0.0 they are not so 'afk leanch drones'
Thank you, please help me understand.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Evans
Am I just over looking this good loot ?
I see;
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Thank you, please help me understand.
You didn't mention Decryptors, do they not drop in nullsec? They're the only reason highsec radar sites are worthwhile atleast. If so I can understand the problem.
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Lee Evans
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:36:00 -
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Yup so I did. and they do drop. Are they consumed does anyone know?
Ok I'll give them another try. Its still seems alot of hassle for 20mil in my humble, and obviously lazy, opinion. (in o.o ofc)
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Shana Matika
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Posted - 2011.06.04 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: IDGAD
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2)Radar. how do u make 40-80mil? u get datacores and skillbooks
3)Radars take longer to scan than the most difficult "unknown" combat complexes. When they are infinitely less valuable.
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You do realize that radar sites are the only source for decryptors right?
I've run Highsec Radar Sites that yielded 40 million just in decryptors (5 cans in each at least one decryptor worth 8million+). Scantime less then 3 min (use a cov-ops with rigs and sister launcher/probes!) and then about 10min to hack all cans.
So my rating is 1/10 - for the try....
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Joan Avon
Amarr
Proletariat Manifesto
The United Corporations
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Posted - 2011.06.04 11:20:00 -
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As has been stated, Radars are a major component of the total income available in high sec exploration. They are simple, somewhat interesting to do as you never know what if anything you'll get from the cookie jar, and while they don't rake in dozens or hundreds of millions of isk in one sitting they are so quick and easy to run that if you can find several of them and are gifted by the cookie monster with some lovely decrypters then they add up quickly. I love radars! Now as for mag sites and the whole rogue drone swath of sites I absolutely agree are woefully absent of the cookie monsters love or some nice valuable shinnies. Both situations deserve a redress once Incarna is out, online and no longer monopolizing the vast vast majority of CCP resources all on its own.
-~ Joan
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Nikla Uthaan
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Posted - 2011.06.04 11:35:00 -
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I netted close to 100 mil off a Radar site once.
Just sayin'.
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