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Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 756	Posted - 2012.09.08 15:27:00 - [1] - Quote "We are posting this idea as a call for discussion" people start a discussion on why the idea is bad "Grr why are people INVADING and TINFOILING this thread, we wanted a discussion" Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 756	Posted - 2012.09.08 15:32:00 - [2] - Quote serras bang wrote: i got an idea why dont we do stv and when the loggin screen comes up so dose the ballot and all we have to do is click 3 names and send ? Because those people who don't pay attention or vote now will just click the first three names they see (if you're talking about mandatory voting) or skip it to get into game (if not). It solves nothing. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 762	Posted - 2012.09.08 15:46:00 - [3] - Quote Its disappointing, but not surprising, to see the CSM members have been so effectively played by a handful of alts shrieking incessantly about 'lack of representation' at every opportunity because they're incapable of rallying support or enthusiasm for their terrible candidates, and creating enough noise to give the impression that they represent anything more than that. This is irrelevant navel-gazing of CSM1-era proportions. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 764	Posted - 2012.09.08 16:11:00 - [4] - Quote serras bang wrote: well heres another thought to represent the player base a little better how about only allowing one candidate from each alliance. We split Goonswarm into Goonswarm1, Goonswarm2, Goonswarm3 etc and field one candidate fro each. What on earth do you expect? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 764	Posted - 2012.09.08 16:12:00 - [5] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Let's say the CFC disappeared overnight, and another group rose to take its place? How would Trebor's proposal treat that other large entity any different? Here's what you're not getting, Hans: if the CFC vanished into a black hole overnight, so would all those 'concerned citizens' sockpuppet threads about voter representation. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 769	Posted - 2012.09.08 16:20:00 - [6] - Quote serras bang wrote: David Carel wrote: serras bang wrote: David Carel wrote: serras bang wrote: well heres another thought to represent the player base a little better how about only allowing one candidate from each alliance. Alt alliances, been there; done that. lol to bad i still win :P What? alt alliances ect would also be taken into acount for this i aint that stupid to make a suggestion just to allow players to skip alliance at ellection time to another alliance to get in. So you're saying that, for an elected body intended partly to hold CCP accountable to its playerbase, that CCP (Or someone else? Who?) should be able to arbitrarily rule particular candidates illegible because they are part of an "alt alliance"? And you seriously don't instantly see the gaping cavernous hole in that argument? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 803	Posted - 2012.09.10 18:28:00 - [7] - Quote By engaging in this vacuous navel-gazing exercise in public, in stark contrast to the months of near radio silence, CSM7's only real achievement in this thread is to cement the public perception that their institute is a self-obsessed talking shop with no relevance to the playerbase as a whole and not worth the time spent on bothering to vote. If the CSM wants "more representative" voting they would do better to enthuse the general population by demonstrating that they are focused on impartially tackling issues that players care about. Ham-fisted scheming on ways to marginalise those who do bother to vote demonstrates the exact opposite. Congratulations, you idiots. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 811	Posted - 2012.09.10 19:57:00 - [8] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: What's interesting about this thread, is that I think the CSM expected an outpouring of support for this proposal from the anti-Goon crowd (which usually seems substantial), yet where are they? Is there any support for the CSM's proposal in this thread? Maybe it can be assumed that even the anti-Goon crowd believes this to be a bad idea. The anti-Goon crowd has never not taken an opportunity to sht on Goons. This discussion has been posted on a forum which is usually dead and unread except for the month or so of election season every year, hence the usual FuckGoons sockpuppets aren't really present. The more cynically minded may infer that this discussion was deliberately presented on a dead forum to slip it under the radar with minimal discussion before CCP rubber-stamping. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ***.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 811	Posted - 2012.09.10 20:16:00 - [9] - Quote Sebastian Hoch wrote: You have it all wrong. By putting forward this proposal they are motivating thousands to make sure they vote in the next CSM exection. Though I am afraid it may not be for what or whom they expected. Indeed. One thing has been made glaringly clear by this thread, and that is maintaining a CFC presence on the CSM is as critical for our continued survival as our economic or military might, because with both CSM5 and now CSM7 we've seen exactly what happens when we're absent. Expect at least 3 of us in CSM8, maybe more. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 813	Posted - 2012.09.10 20:18:00 - [10] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Scatim Helicon wrote: This discussion has been posted on a forum which is usually dead and unread except for the month or so of election season every year, hence the usual FuckGoons sockpuppets aren't really present. The more cynically minded may infer that this discussion was deliberately presented on a dead forum to slip it under the radar with minimal discussion before CCP rubber-stamping. The reality mindedd will observe that it's a failure on both accounts. All the goons are here (and not enough of the **goons), and now all of us are aware of this. CSM7 may be many things, but skilled in political scheming they are not. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ***.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.

Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 832	Posted - 2012.09.11 06:39:00 - [11] - Quote Frying Doom wrote: As to the rest of the members of Goonswarm in this thread, you complain a lot when some one other than you threatens to game the system and this is not even that it is more about making minorities, minorities. The dismissive way that you refer to 'minorities' and the indifference you show towards disenfranchising them is very telling. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 852	Posted - 2012.09.22 20:45:00 - [12] - Quote The real reason that this stupid trainwreck of a thread even came up is because highsec is so smothered in cotton wool and bubble-wrap that the bulk of the residents there have no reason to lift a finger to improve their place in-game, and so aren't motivated to vote, let alone organise to determine the most effective candidate to articulate their non-existent concerns. Highsec, deep down, knows how good they have it compared to the rest of the game, and so the only real 'platform' that its' occupants could rally around would be "CCP, please leave everything exactly the same as it is now forever and ever". Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 866	Posted - 2012.09.24 22:16:00 - [13] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: What I would like to see is CCP send out a survey as they do anyway, asking people what their opinion of the CSM is, if they vote and there reasons why do / do not The people who can't be bothered to vote for the CSM and will ignore all publicity and prompting to do so are exactly the same people who wouldn't be bothered to participate in a survey about it. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 888	Posted - 2012.10.01 21:59:00 - [14] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Xenuria wrote: In all honesty almost anything would be better than what we have currently. The system in it's current form is exploitable and a new system or a hybrid of systems is in order. I would love to know why you think the current system is "exploitable" He means that people keep voting for candidates other than Xenuria. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 962	Posted - 2012.10.24 06:33:00 - [15] - Quote Mikaila Penshar wrote: What about 'representational votes' , a sort of electoral college if you will... basing your vote's weight on the main sp toon of an account and where it is based out of. High-Sec Low-Sec Null-Sec Worm Hole There has to be some mathematical equation to equalize votes for sectors of space that have fewer people in them and thus less representation. Just guessing here but if high sec has the most active accounts followed by null then low then wh space again just an example: High sec votes count at 1: 0.5 Null sec votes at 1: 0.75 Low sec votes at 1: 1 Worm Hole votes at 1: 1.25 Why should some votes be worth more than others, exactly? And what happens with characters who aren't simply based out of one area of the game? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.

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