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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2011.05.31 20:54:00 -
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While it's not official yet, I think it's somewhat fair to say there is a good chance the NC is about to failcascade. I believe Vuk put the date for determing if they were dead was today.
Anyways. This ain't Coad so I'm not calling out for a discussion on the finer points of failure, but I am very curious about how it might affect the markets. This one is pretty complex so I'm just going to toss out some of what are assuredly 100s of competing influences:
Tech: the tech must flow. PL (or DRF and co) owns most of it already and they are self admittedly high maintenance folks so I see no reason for them to limit it's release to the market. This does depend a bit on who gets it though. If the Russians get their filthy vodka encrusted paws on it they are in a good position to do some serious cartel stuff since they already have good income supplies.
The Great Blight: This isn't exactly new but Vale and Tribute are effectively closed for business. Ratting, mining, or plexing in there as an NC member would be pretty risky. DRF and co might already be using some of those resources but I find it hard to believe that either of those regions are generating ISK/Assets at the same level they use to (with the exception of Tech and Neo, maybe prom). This is folllowed by:
The Trail of Carebear Tears: So the tribute/vale residents have 2 choices. Quit the game (or temporarily be inactivate) or move. I think quite o few of the more carebear types will be moving back to high sec, running missions and the like. While null sec activities generate isk and assets, the high sec missions generate slightly less isk and a different kind of asset. So the Great Blight and the Trail of Carebear Tears may lead to a reduced production of deadspace/officer/pirate faction goodies but may lead to an increased quantity of mission and LP loot: Meta 1-4, reprocessables, and empire faction loot.
Honestl have no real guess on that though. Total random speculation. Throw your wild guess into the ring.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Saiph Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.05.31 21:57:00 -
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Personally, I think you've already missed the boat on pith x-type loot.
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:16:00 -
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Ah well, "silver lining" time.
Sooner rather than later, boredom will set in... the "new order" will get tired of thumb-twiddling and somebody, somewhere, will find a reason to fight or make trouble. Good ol' greed, ladies and gentlemen... the one thing in EVE you can truly TRUST.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.06.01 13:39:00 -
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People would do good to keep in mind that the Northern Coalition is a political superstructure. "The NC" dying does not imply that the alliances that formed the NC will collapse or leave.
The "new order" will be a coalition of NC remains (consolidated under MM and RZR) under Goonswarm hegemony locked into a stalemate with the DRF.
The NC has/had to die so GSF can take the lead - reform seemed to be impossible within the old structure and pilots have lost faith in the "NC" brand.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:27:00 -
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Never base an investment on wishful thinking.
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Deadloch
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:33:00 -
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I actually forsee this creating a vacuum of power in the area. I don't see DRF getting too involved in the other systems that aren't Tech Moon oriented. That being said, a lot of small alliances are going to look at this as an opportunity to carve out a little area here and there.
TCUs, Infrastructure and SBUs are going to be in high demand... Also POS fuels and Mods readily available on the edges of this space.
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Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:22:00 -
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NC fail has been predicted many times and many times the NC always grinds down their attackers until they fall apart.
We do not need known Russian RMT'ers replacing their mining and hunting bots with passive income from Technetium moons. That would be the worst outcome possible.
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Miss Chigger
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:31:00 -
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I think the NC industry backbone got mass banned and now they can't replace their ships.
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Harisdrop
Gallente
Vindicate and Deliverance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:17:00 -
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Most of the alliance will now gate camp and low sec hunt.
This will definitely change the landscape. You will see corps reforming and becoming more active percentage. Most of the baggage is those that just carebeared. EvE goes thru this every few years. This will reduce high end minerals. You can expect to have harder low sec runs.
I think the 0.0 space is too large for any alliance to keep. Small alliance will always be slipping thru the 0.0 gates
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Deadloch
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:23:00 -
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Heh, I've already saved up a whole crapload of Zydrine and Megacyte... Gonna love when it skyrockets.
And with PLEX going higher these alliances are going to have a Harder and Harder time in selling them to the population keeping their Iskies flowing through the alliance.
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Tehg Rhind
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Posted - 2011.06.02 02:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Llyandrian
NC fail has been predicted many times and many times the NC always grinds down their attackers until they fall apart.
We do not need known Russian RMT'ers replacing their mining and hunting bots with passive income from Technetium moons. That would be the worst outcome possible.
Predicted? Dude, you should check the newsfeeds bro. Not really speculation anymore. Also PRO RMT REFERENCE THERE DUDE.
Anyways, the speculation about the tech liquidation is interesting, but I have a hard time believing that they were stockpiling.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2011.06.02 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane
Personally, I think you've already missed the boat on pith x-type loot.
Deadspace loot in general from our regions has risen significantly in price, yes.
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NotTheSmartestCookie
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Posted - 2011.06.02 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
Most of the alliance will now gate camp and low sec hunt.
Carebear in highsec you mean. Predicting a further drop in LP value as a result.
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The Illustrious Juden
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Posted - 2011.06.02 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Llyandrian
We do not need known Russian RMT'ers replacing their mining and hunting bots with passive income from Technetium moons. That would be the worst outcome possible.
The NC are notorious RMT'ers, does anyone actually believe it's only yhe Russians?
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: The Illustrious Juden
The NC are notorious RMT'ers, does anyone actually believe it's only yhe Russians?
Not at all. Fully expecting large chunks of 0.0 to be vacated as all alliances resort to, to use the cliche, "all means necessary" to maintain their fleets.
Doesn't necessarily mean there will be an instant flood of new colonists into 0.0, either... but hey, some folks will smell OPPORTUNITY in all this.
And I wouldn't worry about the Zyd and Mega prices too much...prices might waffle around a bit... but alot of former Null Sec corps are taking over WH's... plenty of ABC grav sites in WH's to keep the Zyd and Mega flowing.
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:28:00 -
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mineral supply would only be interesting the russians were to vacate large parts of the drone regions to resettle into the north.
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Deadloch
I actually forsee this creating a vacuum of power in the area. I don't see DRF getting too involved in the other systems that aren't Tech Moon oriented. That being said, a lot of small alliances are going to look at this as an opportunity to carve out a little area here and there.
TCUs, Infrastructure and SBUs are going to be in high demand... Also POS fuels and Mods readily available on the edges of this space.
What are you smoking? DRF would smoke small alliances in their area for the lulz if anything. 
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.06.03 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Matos
On an unrelated note, someone dumped over a Million Tech on the Market.
Seems like someone needs a new Car :v:
(Thats a bit more then a Week of Venal Tech)
too lazy to check the accuracy of that quote...
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 03/06/2011 18:56:28
Originally by: Cyaxares II
Edited by: Cyaxares II on 01/06/2011 13:48:40
People would do good to keep in mind that the Northern Coalition is a political superstructure. "The NC" dying does not imply that the alliances that formed the NC will collapse or leave.
The "new order" will be a coalition of NC remains (consolidated under MM and RZR) under Goonswarm hegemony locked into a stalemate with the DRF.
The NC has/had to die so GSF can take the lead - reform seemed to be impossible within the old structure and pilots have lost faith in the "NC" brand.
This is shobon as hell.
If and when the DRF decides to turn its attention to GSF, we will fall pretty fast. We do not have the super-capital fleet necessary to fight them. Not for lack of money, but for lack of pilots who feel like being chained to a Titan or Mothership. At present, pretty much anyone who wants one is already in one, and our numbers are well below those needed to fight off a Russian super-capital blob even during our prime time. Our biggest defense against having our crap pushed in by the Russians is the fact that we live on the other side of the map.
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And that's just fine. They can take our space and blow up our ships, but they can't take our posts from us. And that's the most important thing. On the other hand, taking down our forums would probably be the best way to bolster morale in Goonfleet. It would anger a lot of people so much that it might convince them to actually log in and play EVE Online the terrible Internet spaceship game.
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Mark iT
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 18:57:00 -
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Dread Guristas loot & ships. I started buying it up when the Russians hired PL. I will make out like a bandit on this one.
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Medas Turan
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Posted - 2011.06.03 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Matos
On an unrelated note, someone dumped over a Million Tech on the Market.
Seems like someone needs a new Car :v:
(Thats a bit more then a Week of Venal Tech)
too lazy to check the accuracy of that quote...
It was a bunch of 100k units/order priced at 119k first and now reduced to 117,900. Its still there get it while its hot  (Someone really made the effort to copy&paste my post from kugu, I'm astonished 
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Llyandrian
Amarr
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2011.06.04 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tehg Rhind
Predicted? Dude, you should check the newsfeeds bro. Not really speculation anymore.
You were saying... 
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