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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:03:00 -
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Today the Free Captains of Jericho Fraction celebrate eight years of victory.
I speak these words with assurance and confidence because the victory we share is a triumph over every regressive hand and mediocre ambition that thought to turn us from the path of Free Space liberation and bring us back to the loamy-bedrock of nationalist hierarchy and closed-border xenophobia during the years of our revolution.
A revolution begins and ends in the hearts and minds of living people. It is a dream and ideal forged bright and burning in the passions of the strong. It transcends starships and weaponry, it spreads like wildfire in the anarchic beauty of love and vision, it raises spirits and opens minds and cannot be extinguished by the corrupt and the banal.
Our revolution springs from the simplest of notions: that the individual is sovereign and independent and is free to make decisions beyond the limitations of imposed hierarchy and theocratic violence. We believe that the technology of the capsule has freed mankind from servitude to base concepts of servile indenture and we capsuleers have a responsibility not to shrink from these notions of liberation, but to share and enflame these ideals by every word and deed.
Free trade, fair commerce, voluntary association and collaboration with like-minded partners, self-defence, sovereign-individuality and freedom of thought and decision; these are our ideals and we have kept them throughout the long years of Diaspora in the face of any who would spit and hurl invective and venom in defence of sacred nationalism and nihilistic corruption.
Our revolution is your revolution. It is not enough that we defend our freedom and prosperity; we invite you to assert yourselves and become our partners in free trade and exploration across these open stars. This is why we have never strayed from the path of NRDS engagement, never fallen for the sickly wiles of xenophobic NBSI, we truly believe that capsuleers are able to interact with honour and integrity unleashed from the commands of state and statist tyrant alike.
We see the tapestry of stars besmirched by nation states and their illegitimate children in nullsec gangster cliques; we watch the road-blockers and reactionary brutes strutting in their tribal feathers and painting themselves with gaudy tribute as they boast of those they kill for no purpose than salving existential angst and stellar void within their crippled hearts. We listen to a thousand justifications and excuses and we see posthumanity chained by brigands and cultists forged as weapons for the ego of a few and we shake our heads with sad-eyes and resolve never to surrender to the sink of depravity and pit of wasted dreams.
Jericho Fraction began this fight eight years ago when we raised a clamour against the now-mythical Masters of Ownage (m0o Corp) in Lonetrek and went on to influence and reform the piratical Venal Alliance, where we came into conflict with corporate corruption of Taggart Transdimensional and their CEO Ragnar in a sequence of power-plays and manipulations that would conclude in the Great Northern War (New EdenÆs first clash of capsuleer superpowers on an epic scale).
But we have ever fought the big-battalions of nationalist folly with makeshift weaponry and volunteer passion: from our earliest skirmishes in cruise-missile frigates against Forsaken Empire battleships, to the heroics of the GNW interceptor wolf-packs against the Phoenix Alliance security treaty, from cloaked cunning in occupied Providence in support of the Matari people, to our outgunned (but never outmanoeuvred) signature cruisers in Black Rise to Bleaklands cumulating in the great battles of Space and Freedom in Kamela.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:04:00 -
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We have always understood that winning battles is as much to do with imagery and imagination as it is of raw numbers and cynical cowardice, the idea of a victory is the reward of a fight well done, and the symbolism of ten heroic cruisers confronting the most powerful force in New Eden while every eye in the cluster watched in straight disbelief is a currency without equal, immortal and enduring to this very day.
The Free Captain of Jericho Fraction is no nationalist soldier briefed and unquestioning of orders. No brigand-thief motivated by preying only on the weak. No kill-junkie submissively accepting the mockery of his superiors for the self-hating pride at serving a greater killer. No militiaman seeking meaningless praise and medals in the hierarchy, and no mere mind-blank pawn to a pirate-kings self-stroking egotism in the lonely darkness.
The Free Captains are masters of their own fate; capable amateurs volunteering to place themselves in harmÆs way to assert and defend the principles we share. No respect for nationalist bullying. No retreat from senseless violence. No surrender to shoddy compromise or shifting of ideals on the principle articles on our shared vision for a capsuleer future in New Eden.
We believe the capsule can free mankind from servitude to state and empire. We believe the gift of immortality in our hands can be shared far beyond the restrictions of our space-born brethren. We believe the capsuleer is more than a weapon to be aimed by statist policy or pirate folly and must assert independence in all things, to rise on wings of ambition to embrace the chance we have been given to bring genuine change and a better future for all our comrades and kinsmen to come.
Eight years we have striven to prove our ideals and demonstrate by actions the truth of our words. While for eight years our enemies have tried to silence us, to destroy us, to banish by all means necessary the hope and idealism of our vision. Empires have assaulted our holdings, Alliances have formed with the sole goal of destroying our name, Militias have put aside their hostilities to express their hatred of the freedom we dare to speak, but none of these have known the slightest success or satisfaction while the Free Captains stand proud and ply their trade by principles of sovereign independence and open-handed acknowledgement of neutrality and coexistence in New Eden.
To our friends and trade partners we give our thanks and respect. To foes dead and gone we give our memories and quiet satisfaction. To those we encounter in space we declare as we always have: that neutrality will be respected and Free Transit across the stars be acknowledged the true shared wealth of our post-human existence.
And perhaps it is fitting that on our eighth anniversary we turn to fight again the most corrupt of our foes; those who fell from our friendship and abandoned the principles of Freedom to make of themselves a parasitical blight on the frontier we taught them once to love.
Jericho Fraction has been targeted for destruction and annihilation by the twin alliances Rote Kapelle and Veto who in defence of their puppet nationalist representative Moira Corporation, have forged a bold (if somewhat baffling) combination of Gurista/Sansha loyalist/Anti Sansha Federal Extremist agenda united (if their words to be believed) only in hatred for the Free Captains and febrile boasted intentions to drive the Fraction from Placid and burn our holdings and staging towers to the ground!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:05:00 -
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What better way to celebrate our eighth anniversary than another victory against the forces of regressive imperialism and nullsec mediocrity?
What clearer demonstration of our triumph than in facing-down the collective might of this shoddy pack of quivering jackals to deny their ambitions with verve and guerrilla cunning?
We welcome the formal wardec from Rote Kapelle alliance and raise it as a symbol of victory that after all these years we can still rile the crass egotism of nullsec monsters and bait the regressive beasts from their depths to dash themselves to splintering ruin in the starlight of our idealism!
Let us see whether the Rote Kapelle wardec outlives Moira Corporation and if the will of VetoÆs Dreadnaught fleet will surpass our ability to raise staging towers and resist the oppressive stench of quisling aroma stealing from the Roach Motel in TXW-EI system. It is clear to us now that this unsightly coterie of clowns wishes to spread its miasmatic chife across free Placid to stifle all the glorious scents of liberation and freedom if they can. Will second hand ambition inherited from the fevered hatred of pitifully-obsessed minds prove sufficent to the task their drooling lips have set for themselves? We doubt it.
So here on our anniversary in New Eden Jericho Fraction stands unbowed and unbound, and even opposed by five times our number of cowardly poltroons carping and gibbering their petty villainies in support of an ethically-bankrupt nationalist leader we simply laugh in the face of our foes and tell them an emphatic ôbring itö as weÆve done so many times before.
We accept the terms of their aggression; we stand in their crosshairs as they aim at annihilation of our message and our ideals. Let this war last as long as it must to demonstrate the clash of wills implicit in the declaration. We shall be standing proud when the folly is passed and gone and all unwisely spoken boasts turned to dust in the stellar wind.
There are limits to cod-nationalist piratico-nihilist ambition and we are about to turn that revelation into a symphony of woe to the egotistical delusions of the TXW roach motel management and staff.
Long live the Fraction! Long live the Fighters! Long live those who Dare to Dream!
And hereÆs to another eight years humiliating the pride of petty tyrants and their mindless drones.
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Svenjabi Xiang
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:10:00 -
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It's been an excellant ride, Jade. Here's to another 8.
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Prende
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Prende on 01/06/2011 00:14:56 Go free Captains
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Caius
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:16:00 -
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These have been trying years for us all, and though through it all we have come through it with flying colors. I have been happy to serve in this Corp and Alliance for the past 7+ years. Though I have been called away a few times, my home has ever been Jericho. Are enemies are numerous, and yet or allies are just as as many. We will continue to shoot those who would oppress our fellow brothers and sisters out here soaring through the heavens.
Long live the Revolution.
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Lord LazyGhost
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:22:00 -
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8 Years in and stonger then ever, Iam still new here and have never felt more at home. Bring the War and Bring the Pain,
"We rode on the winds of the rising storm, We ran to the sounds of the thunder. We danced among the lightning bolts, and tore the world asunder." ù Robert Jordan (The Dragon Reborn)
SF for ever via la freecaptains
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Kedisa
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:22:00 -
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*has brought some big bowls of popcorn for the guests*
Hurrah for Jericho Fraction!
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Chaos Dreams
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:41:00 -
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Hey,
There's this guy who lives in 5-f named Stokar. You guys should totally join forces. Not only does he also hate Rote, but you even talk alike! It's truly a match made in heaven.
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Blaqsunshine
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:13:00 -
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*raises a glass*
To my comrades, it has been a great journey and honor to fly in the Star Fraction. May many more boot lickers and tyrants fall to the guns of the Free Captains.
íViva la Revoluci=n!
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Brannor McThife
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
...ply their trade by principles of sovereign independence and open-handed acknowledgement of neutrality and coexistence in New Eden.
...combination of Gurista/Sansha loyalist/Anti Sansha Federal Extremist agenda...
The Star Fraction Sovereignty You hold no Sovereign space. You are not independent. You leech off the Gallente Federation in your attempt to project fake control over space that is not yours.
It is the Serpentis that seek to remove you from their contested space, not the Guristas. That our aim coincides with theirs is inconsequential.
Tell me, which of the Gallente corporations do you submit yourself to so as to be harbored in Ostingele? You are a mockery of what it is to be Free. You cower behind the protection the Gallente offer you in their space. Pets of the Gallente, nothing more, no masters of your own fate. Step out from under the Gallente and stand on your own away from low security space. Then we shall see how long your Free Captains remain so.
I am no slave to any man nor tyrant. I come for those that claim what is not theirs.
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Jereth Ravyn
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:35:00 -
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On May 31, 2003, an organization was formed by a resolution of a few brave pilots. Since that day, many capsuleers have borne the title Free Captain. In honor of them it is fitting that we commemorate the birth of our Revolution by recalling the glories of its illustrious and heroic history.
The record of our organization is one that bears comparison with the most famous and infamous corporations and alliances in New Eden's history. From the very beginings of the Free Space Movement, the Fraction has been engaged with freedom's foes. From the battles in Lonetrek to the Great Northern War, Free Captains have won foremost honors in war.
In every battle and skirmish since the birth of the Fraction, Free Captains have acquitted themselves with the greatest distinction, winning new honors on each occasion until the name Free Captain has come to signify all that is highest in revolutionary zeal and free spirited determination.
This high name of distinction and virtuous ideal we who are Free Captains today have received from those who preceded us in the corp. With it we also received from them the revolutionary spirit which has inspired our members from every generation. So long as that spirit continues to flourish, Free Captains will be found equal to every conflict in the future as they have been in the past, and the population of New Eden will regard us as worthy successors to the long line of brave capsuleers who have dared to dream since the founding of the Fraction.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife You hold no Sovereign space. You are not independent.
Our sovereignty begins and ends at the hulls of our starships and has precisely nothing to do with your narrow definitions of concord registry little power slave.
Quote: I am no slave to any man nor tyrant. I come for those that claim what is not theirs.
You are a creature of bended knee and herd instinct addicted to a cult of mindless nihilism and institutional abuse. Speak to me of accomplishment when you have done more than kill for somebody else's delusions and ancient grudges.
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Cerui Tarshiel
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Brannor McThife You hold no Sovereign space. You are not independent.
Our sovereignty begins and ends at the hulls of our starships and has precisely nothing to do with your narrow definitions of concord registry little power slave.
Quote: I am no slave to any man nor tyrant. I come for those that claim what is not theirs.
You are a creature of bended knee and herd instinct addicted to a cult of mindless nihilism and institutional abuse. Speak to me of accomplishment when you have done more than kill for somebody else's delusions and ancient grudges.
If you would care to access quite publicly available database that records our combat actions you would find that engagements against your organization, something I belive you are referring to when you say kill for somebody else' delusion and ancient grudges, are very minor in the overall picture. And really, majority of those that end up as statistics on our engagement database are those we really do not know all that intimatedly, although you could say that exchanging large caliber projectiles, super heated plasma or semi autonomous little death machines is a somewhat intimate experience.
Indeed I do believe the reason we continue to attract new pod pilots to our organization lies in the fact that in us they find like minded pilots, those that want to see the world burn, just because. Well, some of us have more....complex reasons but I leave it up to the individiual pilot to speak his or her mind on that because we happen to believe in the freedom of individual pilot to do what they like as long as it doesn't run counter to our few and basic rules.
And I find it quite hilarious that you refer to us as an enclosuristic entity when we follow the same rules of engagement and very similiar philosophy as an organization you were on friendly terms while it was still active, Clown Punchers Syndicate. Indeed a formal acknowledgement of mutual friendship was exchanged and that maintained for good part of that organizations lifespan. Perhaps the fact that we, and when I say we I mean Clown Punchers Syndicate for I am a former member of them, maintained NRDS philosophy in areas informally know as high and low security areas of New eden for the first few months of our existance as an entity ;).
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:17:00 -
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All petty squabbling aside, Eight years as a capsuleer constant is no mean feat.
Congratulations, Star Fraction.
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Proxay
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:23:00 -
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If only your actions/stratagem carried as much thought as your words.
Paper tigers, cloaked in space. I love everyone.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:40:00 -
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/me sets up a wind turbine to harness all the hot air to sell back to the local grid. ----- *results may vary*
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Today the Free Captains of Jericho Fraction celebrate eight years of victory.
A revolution begins and ends in the hearts and minds of living people. It is a dream and ideal forged bright and burning in the passions of the strong. It transcends starships and weaponry, it spreads like wildfire in the anarchic beauty of love and vision, it raises spirits and opens minds and cannot be extinguished by the corrupt and the banal.
I don't think I could have said it better myself. Not many people are quite so passionate about their cause. It is admirable, to say the least. Perhaps we shall meet each other some time.
~ Jason Galente
I know where I will be when my time comes. What remains to be determined is when I get there. |
Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 06:45:38 [
It is no mean feat to maintain a cult of personality for so long. I offer my congratulations.
What happens when your members figure out the Jovians aren't coming to pick them up in a holy, rainbow sailed mothership to take them to the next plane of reality?
I ignore the rest of this message, as it seems to be another display you spinning rapidly in a small circle whilst beating your chest.
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Jonathan Swift
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 07:54:00 -
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To all Free Captains; congratulations!
It is a bumpy road we travel as pioneers of a better New Eden. Let our shared resolve and determination be the blunt instrument that carve the path for the next generation of capsulers.
Cheers for the eight years gone and for the many more to come.
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Evet Morrel
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:24:00 -
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Congratulations Free Captains, and to absent friends all over the cluster
Originally by: Nemesor
[left] It is no mean feat to maintain a cult of personality for so long. I offer my congratulations. What happens when your members figure out the Jovians aren't coming to pick them up in a holy, rainbow sailed mothership to take them to the next plane of reality?
Those who reject justice become terrorists and are placed beyond trust. The free captains' actions by this same logic remain heroic legitimate self-defence directed against a murderous tyranny or against diversionary reactionary elements (you know who you are).
These terrorist, these piratical organisation who couldn't hack NRDS are politically isolated, they turn to terror as a substitute for political change. However, IÆll not discount them out of hand, but say that the break down of the prestige of government through its failure to provide security, may furnish a continuous proof of the possibility that the pursuit of such a contest may raise a revolutionary spirit. However, their contest may just as easily present an alternative that's so unprincipled, or unremarkable that it remains entirely unheard.
So, while these diversionary elements no doubt have their own story (although it's a very boring one), they have become an effect, and our purpose is to become the cause or contribute to the cause: free space.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 01/06/2011 08:45:36 Resistance is victory.
I salute comrade and foe alike, even those old comrades who have made themselves foes, as much as it saddens me to see them fall so low. --------------------------------------------
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:56:00 -
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Congratulations and many happy returns to you all.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 09:39:41
Originally by: Evet Morrel
Those who reject justice become terrorists and are placed beyond trust. The free captains' actions by this same logic remain heroic legitimate self-defence directed against a murderous tyranny or against diversionary reactionary elements (you know who you are).
These terrorist, these piratical organisation who couldn't hack NRDS are politically isolated, they turn to terror as a substitute for political change. However, IÆll not discount them out of hand, but say that the break down of the prestige of government through its failure to provide security, may furnish a continuous proof of the possibility that the pursuit of such a contest may raise a revolutionary spirit. However, their contest may just as easily present an alternative that's so unprincipled, or unremarkable that it remains entirely unheard.
So, while these diversionary elements no doubt have their own story (although it's a very boring one), they have become an effect, and our purpose is to become the cause or contribute to the cause: free space.
Your poetic ramblings are nearly Constantinian in both content and validity. Thank you for keeping it short though.
The Free Captains of the Star Fraction are quite the puzzle are they not? Claiming to be Transhumanist, attempting to at least have the appearance of taking the higher road. Using words like Justice, Mercy, Freedom, Legitimacy.
Ask the Cosmopolite if he can use his laboratory to take samples from all around the Universe and break it down to its most fine and basic components. Then have him run his most sensitive and detailed scans on it and look over the results. I am certain that you will find no Justice particles. No iota of Mercy or Freedom contained in the dust and debris. Transhumanism, believing in reason and science, wanting to advance the human condition with technology and a greater understanding of the universe and all that it contains. Yet you all keep braying on about what is Right and Wrong. What is Good and Bad. You know as well as I that those things are human constructs. Imaginary. Kobolds and Imps made to brainwash and control populations from a very early age. How very naughty of you to use such propaganda.
In the spirit of the occasion, I will give you a small gift. It can be learned from observing any biosphere where two or more living things compete for room to grow or food to eat. The one with the will to kill is the one that will prevail. It is really that simple. We want to kill you. We do not constrain ourselves to faulty imaginary constructs. We do what we must, what we wish, when we wish. You do not.
I am a Free Captain. What are you?
Nemesor Aradmard
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Pol Macsliebh
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:48:00 -
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*Raises Glass
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:53:00 -
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Not all dreams are happy ones.
But I consider the dream of freedom one worth striving for.
Dream on.
Quote: Kinda'Shujaa - the Ushra'Khan Faction Warfare Detachment
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Boma Airaken
White Song Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2011.06.01 10:02:00 -
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In for the RK teenager rants. Always amusing.
In for CONGRATULATIONS to Jade and crew for a job well done.
"Oh, they never lie. They dissemble, evade, prevaricate, confound, confuse, distract, obscure, subtly misrepresent and willfully misunderstand with what often appears to be a positively gleeful relish and are generally perfectly capable of contriving to give one an utterly unambiguous impression of their future course of action while in fact intending to do exactly the opposite, but they never lie. Perish the thought."
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:15:00 -
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Jade Constantine > your wall of text was really boring ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ruddyn
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:27:00 -
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The day I encountered the visionary Free Captains in war-torn Providence was the day my eyes were opened to a greater destiny. It was the day I dared to dream.
My congratulations to Jade and my fellow freedom fighters. May our bold ideals continue to sow fear and hatred in the hearts of our enemies.
Jericho Fraction, I salute you! "You may take my ship, but you'll never take my freedom!" |
Chai N'Dorr
Selectus Pravus Lupus
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:30:00 -
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I remember the time I flew with you fondly.
Happy anniversary! _ Wherever I park my pod, that's my home. |
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Merahl Ronuken
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:33:00 -
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An eight-year corporate lifespan in this universe is no mean feat. Congratulations to you and your men, Ms. Constantine.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Evet Morrel our purpose is to become the cause or contribute to the cause: free space.
And there is exactly where you took a wrong turn. You are fighting for an idea that is already yours to claim. You are already free of the shackles, you have only those restrictions that are placed on you by either reality or yourself. The former you cannot do anything about. The second you can - stop chaining yourself into the service of others through this altruistic struggle towards the utopian ideal of "free space".
In the end it's all your choice of course, but I should say that I find your altruistic dedication to the cause as deplorable and wasteful as the loyalists who chain themselves to the obsolescent states and empires of a gone era. You could be so much more! You could be free already.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor
The Free Captains of the Star Fraction are quite the puzzle are they not? Claiming to be Transhumanist, attempting to at least have the appearance of taking the higher road. Using words like Justice, Mercy, Freedom, Legitimacy.
The sovereign individual has recourse to such words when they have bearing on one's perception of reality. But really why is it such a puzzle? When a human (or posthuman) decides to seek collaborative interaction with other humans beyond the restrictions of state or empire and stand merely on personal reputation and consequence these things have meaning. You might pour scorn on the notion that "not shooting up all neutrals on sight" is somehow a "higher road" but I'd say to you it is a more progressive road. Knee-jerk aggression against all other life paints you into the role of a virus in comparison.
Originally by: Nemesor Ask the Cosmopolite if he can use his laboratory to take samples from all around the Universe and break it down to its most fine and basic components. Then have him run his most sensitive and detailed scans on it and look over the results. I am certain that you will find no Justice particles. No iota of Mercy or Freedom contained in the dust and debris.
We sovereign individuals make these concepts as we please. Power makes Freedom. You seem to have read my earlier writings on the nature of Freedom and reached your own conclusions that life is simply the Freedom to kill and nothing else. I refute this utterly since Freedom is the power to choose.
(From "the true knowledge of the star fraction")
ôThe True Knowledge of the Star Fraction is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. You are free to do whatever is in your power and if you want to increase your power you had better do whatever is in your interest. All that you really value, all the goodness and truth and beauty of life, all the poetry and artful words have their roots in this pragmatism.
Now the authority worshiper asks me how does that make me more than a criminal? The nationalist states his superiority in serving another force greater than himself. The crusader speaks with false piety and blames a myth for his violence and hypocrisy and self-deceivers simply shudder at the words for their ... unbearable honesty.
Morality is meaningless beyond self-interest and the freedom of choice. Piety is helpless in the face of immortality. There is no need for peace when we have the capacity for mutual self-destruction and the plenty of the limitless stars makes a mockery of frugal socialism and communist self-denial.
Why then am I not a brigand killing all who I choose to? Because I choose not to be. Why do I not take goods and resources from those weaker than me? IÆd rather trade for them. Why do I consider myself ôbetterö than a pirate or gate-blocker alliance? Frankly I donÆt consider the comparison at all.
Understand.
All this is my choice. I seek power to better enable that choice. Power is a tool to be used not an idol to be worshiped. Ships are power, reputation is power, the potential to violence is power, the capacity to trade is power, the decision not to kill a neutral and spill their crew into the void û this too is power.
Originally by: Nemesor In the spirit of the occasion, I will give you a small gift. It can be learned from observing any biosphere where two or more living things compete for room to grow or food to eat. The one with the will to kill is the one that will prevail
Your self-identification with mindless predators aside. It must be stated that Freespacers lack for neither room nor food in the thousands of systems we've known since the capsuleer diaspora began. Your perception of this need is simply the triumph of the regressive meme infected on your consciousness by the ambitions of stronger men.
Join the Revolution!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko You are fighting for an idea that is already yours to claim. You are already free of the shackles, you have only those restrictions that are placed on you by either reality or yourself. The former you cannot do anything about. The second you can - stop chaining yourself into the service of others through this altruistic struggle towards the utopian ideal of "free space".
And this neatly reveals your own slip into solipsist nihilism Tatsue Nuko. You believe this is all about self revelation and internal evolution? You feel it is enough to become the greatest predator against the tapestry of stars? I do not. I believe the revolution is a song with a catchy beat, the secret is meeting the eyes of a stranger across a crowded room and beckoning with a smile. Its in sharing the dream we have, its in teaching others to rise up and fight and become more than mere pawns in another's game. There is no upotia of free space. It will always be dangerous because there will always be predators wallking in the skins of man who wish to steal and loot and take through violence.
But irony (and it is a almost a bitter one) is that there is very little difference between the violence of state and hierarchy that takes the product of a man's labour with taxes and bureacracy paying only lipservice to primal fears of the unknown - and the violence of brigands and thieves like Rote Kapelle who take the product of labour with threat and bluster and elect themselves the tyrants of nullsec.
You tell yourself you are the peak of human evolution Tatsue Nuko because you are simply a better thief than the tax-collectors of the state and empire, a better con-artist than the electors of the federation and republic even. But when all is said and done you are simply following in the path of tyrants gone before. What you are building in the roach motel is an empire of violence that will coalesce in time to the traditional shapes of dominance and submission and personality cult obedience to those most vile.
Already you surrender your pride and self-worth to the mockery of your peers because that is the price of living in the herd. So goes civilization and the age-old memetics of post colonial new eden.
Quote: In the end it's all your choice of course, but I should say that I find your altruistic dedication to the cause as deplorable and wasteful as the loyalists who chain themselves to the obsolescent states and empires of a gone era. You could be so much more! You could be free already.
Ah silly girl. We are free the moment we break away from the detritus of empires and theology of the mob. We'd like you to be free. But somehow we have to teach you to under the language we are speaking before the discussion can be had. You are an unruly child half-maddened by Quafe buzz quite convinced that murdering other sentients is the highest expression of freedom possible in this universe. I have to tell you such is a terrible lie and you have been misinformed by those with the motive to use you to their own ends.
Freedom comes from chosing not to take a life. Freedom is choice. Freedom simply is.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 12:31:00 -
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First I wish to apologize for the slightly torn up nature of this response. I wanted to ensure at least a certain amount of precision in my responses, but unfortunately that resulted in a bit of a point-by-point exchange that lacks severely in aesthetics.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You believe this is all about self revelation and internal evolution? You feel it is enough to become the greatest predator against the tapestry of stars? I do not.
Actually, no and no. I believe in taking control of my own life and pursuing a path that will let me become the best I can be. Shackling myself to a dreamy ideal and devoting my life to the service of others through that ideal goes counter to that.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
But irony [...] is that there is very little difference between the violence of state and hierarchy [...] and the violence of brigands and thieves like Rote Kapelle [...].
Actually, Rote Kapelle maintain and espouse hierarchy only in the same sense that the Star Fraction does. We associate voluntarily, are free to leave whenever we wish, and others are free to treat with us as they see fit and as their capability allows.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You tell yourself you are the peak of human evolution Tatsue Nuko because you are simply a better thief than the tax-collectors of the state and empire, a better con-artist than the electors of the federation and republic even.
While the opening premise is factually wrong, I will take the latter as a compliment. Thankyou dear.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
What you are building [...] will coalesce in time to the traditional shapes of dominance and submission and personality cult obedience to those most vile.
I do confess that I religiously worship the personality of Bacchanalian and obey him in every detail. Well, no, not really, I'm too busy worshipping myself to have any time for that. Suffice to say that I do not agree with your analysis.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Already you surrender your pride and self-worth to the mockery of your peers because that is the price of living in the herd.
Yes yes, everyone who doesn't do as you do are part of the herd. Really, that is fact!
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Ah silly girl. [...] You are an unruly child half-maddened by Quafe buzz quite convinced that murdering other sentients is the highest expression of freedom possible in this universe. [...] you have been misinformed by those with the motive to use you to their own ends.
And who would that be? Seriously speaking dear, your analysis misses the point completely and fails to take accurate account of history. My hypothesis is that you are too blinded by your own rhethoric to even begin to consider any cause of dissent that does not conform to your predetermined classification of your opposition.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Freedom is choice.
I removed the two erroneous ones and left the one that is correct.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 12:46:00 -
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There are other ways of responding without a quote fest Tatsue Nuko. Allow me to demonstrate.
You speak of being the "best you can be."
So I ask ôbest at what?ö In rote kapelle it appears the only ôbestö you seek is killing and killboard trolling? You mock the ôdreamy idealö of a revolution yet replace it with nothing but pure solipsist nihilism / or worse yet, a replication of statist authority-worship and theft.
On the nature of voluntary association we have covered this ground already many times before in past discussions. When you disassociate from Rote Kapelle you become a target û and must perforce vacate their claimed space on threat of violence. Hence the ôvoluntaryö nature of association comes into question. You remain because you fear to depart.
On cults and personalities (your attempted sarcasm aside) the reality is you are following the vision of other (stronger, more obsessive, more driven) men whose agenda (killing at all costs) comes to replace any notion of your own personality.
I remember a Tatsue Nuko who once believed that statist demand for taxes and tithes degraded the individual, now you count such things a point of pride. One could almost rest the case there.
But then you speak of dissent û dissent from what?
You stand for one cause and one cause alone û killing and gloating over kills. It is the whole of your nature. You worship at the cult of the killboard Tatsue Nuko û there is no reason or politics or ideal beyond the holy statistics of the K/D ratio. There is no ideal nor principle nor freedom nor dream at the core of your being simply a yawning emptiness that aches to be filled by the hatred of others.
Why else are you drawn so regularly like a lonely moth to the flame of Fraction idealism to spit your bitter little imprecations and shout ônotice ME!ö whenever we speak?
You come because you have nothing else. One might almost term it a tragedy.
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Funkert
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine You stand for one cause and one cause alone û killing and gloating over kills. It is the whole of your nature. You worship at the cult of the killboard Tatsue Nuko û there is no reason or politics or ideal beyond the holy statistics of the K/D ratio. There is no ideal nor principle nor freedom nor dream at the core of your being simply a yawning emptiness that aches to be filled by the hatred of others.
That made me smile from ear to ear. Would you be interested in a position as Propaganda Officer with us? -
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 13:57:00 -
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Thankyou most kindly for the demonstration my dear Jade. Allow me to make an attempt:
In your response you do seem to have a rather well informed opinion about my conduct. Indeed you would appear to be better informed about that than I am. I shan't argue against my betters though, so I'll grant you that point freely. All I ever do is kill innocents and drool over killboards.
As far as association and disassociation goes, there are some semantics in your delivery that might stand a bit of adjustment: one does not become a "target", one becomes as one was prior to association. A "target" is a goal to be pursued and achieved or, depending on the nature of the object, pursued and destroyed. In this sense an individual that leaves our organization does not become a "target" by default. They may be fired at, of course, but that is nothing other than regression to the mean.
The whole thing with cults of personalities is perplexing though, and I am not sure whether I should bother. You seem to already have your opinion made up and I highly doubt there is anything in the universe that can change it. Perhaps I should point out how often RK as a whole and STIM in particular changes leadership. There is not one front person that pulls the strings, and indeed most leaders grow fed up with it relatively quick and pass on the reins - herding cats is a lot of work. As you may recall the list of former "leaders" is fairly long: myself, Nemesor, Jonny, Cass, my darling Atandros and so on. Since I don't feel like throwing stones I'll halt the argument there, and allow you to reach your own conclusions.
I do however want to point out that your sweeping generalizations fall wide of the mark. I will of course freely confess that there are individuals in Rote Kapelle that might be said to "worship at the cult of the killboard", though this does require that one make allowances for your customary linguistic flair. The allegation that I do the same is, however, one that I resent and where I would highly encourage you to rethink. This kind of judgement by collective and ascribing personal traits to individuals based solely on one's impression of a collective is not befitting of people who aspire to be not only individualists but also to be the vanguard of a revolution with individualist traits. You need to be better than that.
On the note of dissent, my object specifically was to indicate my impression that you are classifying the cause of dissent from your opinion, goals and ideology as solely caused by factors decided by you a priori. The case in point is your classification of me as an "unruly child" that has been "misinformed" by people who would "use [me] to their own ends". I can of course tell you that this is false, but your opinion is already made up even though I dare say you have extremely limited information to serve as a basis for this judgement. To the extent that you have any basis at all, besides the aforementioned collective judgement that I find so perplexing from someone of your persuations, I would scarcely believe there is more than a couple years old hearsay. You need to do better than that.
As for the final question, I'll just say that it is simple coincidence. You won't believe that of course, but you might then take advantage from a scroll through your communications the last, say, 2 years? Keep a tally. Confirmation bias is a wonderfully dangerous thing that you should take stronger care to protect yourself from.
Finally, wanting you to notice me isn't quite my goal. My goal at present is amusement. I wasn't even responding to you! (But perhaps that is a wonderfully ingenous way to beg your personal attention while still maintaining deniability? Yes, I just might be that devious!) In fact I made just a short and to-the-point response to another individual and, I fell, I was actually rather courteous too. Unfortunately you did not possess the ability to keep your manners civil.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 14:51:00 -
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And so the dance continues Tatsue Nuko, as it has for the last two years with the majority of your public writing relating to the objects of your need and close obsession. It is very easy of course to claim your motivation one of ôamusementö (it is after all the common recourse of the ôtrollö to speak of ôtrollingö as the one and only purpose of the interjection). But I think we know better you and I, it is difficult for you to walk away because what would that leave of you?
Moreover, your statements of personality cults and your apparent discomfort at association with the primary goals of your current organization reveal much. I asked you what you two questions previously:
ôthe best at what?ö ôDissent from what?ö
And the best you return is simply to state your difference from the majority of Rote KapelleÆs killboard-worshiping self-humiliating cultists and I say to you now Tatsue that is not a virtue. You share an organization with some of the clustersÆ most profound mediocrities; creatures of scarcely measurable sentience that caper and caress their mandibles to the cult of the K/D and you would have me believe you are somehow different? How? What have you done to make you different? What have you achieved except the erosion of your standards and self-murder of principles once argued with some passion and flair?
I condemn you over your knuckle-dragging fellow drones Tatsue Nuko because unlike them you wilfully selected the course of intellectual self-harm and idealistic lobotomy to render yourself inured to the sinkhole of depravity you now inhabit.
And now you tell me I make a mistake in condemning the whole of a NBSI kill-hungry nihilistic brigand alliance because there might be scraps of individuality in the discarded bins?
Show them to me by all means because there is no evidence of such in the last 2 years of your own public statements which in the main are a simple prequel to the rehashed and largely incoherent primal demand for notice you make here.
Speak of civility as if it is a right? Why do you expect mercy from a revolutionary confronting an embodiment of hierarchical submission to regressive meme? At this point Tatsue I do not consider you fully alive let alone a capsuleer demanding of respect. You are simply an echo chamber repeating the same puerile childish follies mistaking idiot-violence for liberation and intellectual dishonesty for meaningful debate. Civility is for the civil as respect is for the respectful.
Tell me why your casual acceptance of random murder and regressive territorialism is worthy of civility or respect?
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
And so the dance continues Tatsue Nuko, as it has for the last two years with the majority of your public writing relating to the objects of your need and close obsession. It is very easy of course to claim your motivation one of ôamusementö (it is after all the common recourse of the ôtrollö to speak of ôtrollingö as the one and only purpose of the interjection). But I think we know better you and I, it is difficult for you to walk away because what would that leave of you?
Moreover, your statements of personality cults and your apparent discomfort at association with the primary goals of your current organization reveal much. I asked you what you two questions previously:
ôthe best at what?ö ôDissent from what?ö
And the best you return is simply to state your difference from the majority of Rote KapelleÆs killboard-worshiping self-humiliating cultists and I say to you now Tatsue that is not a virtue. You share an organization with some of the clustersÆ most profound mediocrities; creatures of scarcely measurable sentience that caper and caress their mandibles to the cult of the K/D and you would have me believe you are somehow different? How? What have you done to make you different? What have you achieved except the erosion of your standards and self-murder of principles once argued with some passion and flair?
I condemn you over your knuckle-dragging fellow drones Tatsue Nuko because unlike them you wilfully selected the course of intellectual self-harm and idealistic lobotomy to render yourself inured to the sinkhole of depravity you now inhabit.
And now you tell me I make a mistake in condemning the whole of a NBSI kill-hungry nihilistic brigand alliance because there might be scraps of individuality in the discarded bins?
Show them to me by all means because there is no evidence of such in the last 2 years of your own public statements which in the main are a simple prequel to the rehashed and largely incoherent primal demand for notice you make here.
Speak of civility as if it is a right? Why do you expect mercy from a revolutionary confronting an embodiment of hierarchical submission to regressive meme? At this point Tatsue I do not consider you fully alive let alone a capsuleer demanding of respect. You are simply an echo chamber repeating the same puerile childish follies mistaking idiot-violence for liberation and intellectual dishonesty for meaningful debate. Civility is for the civil as respect is for the respectful.
Tell me why your casual acceptance of random murder and regressive territorialism is worthy of civility or respect?
If I may interject,
What exactly is it that you fight for? You expose the emptiness and contradictory nature of the public statements of others, yet at the same time it can be unclear at times what your goal is. While I have great respect for your speaking ability and your infallible logic, I do find myself lost when pondering the question of, if I may, "What exactly is the difference between your freedom, and her freedom? What is freedom? Liberation? From what? For what? And why?"
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Evet Morrel
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Evet Morrel on 01/06/2011 15:23:38
To the RK captains, I will inhibit your race to the bottom, your desperation to act out your tragic apotheosis, your sub humanism, in space. But, I will make one point, there is a difference between morality and moralizing.
The keenness with which one is able to appreciate freedom is based on oneÆs ability to perceive, and the extension of perception: the freedom to reciprocate and understand the minds of others, basically to feel. Otherwise its simply the freedom to kill and stock pile the fruit of your own envy, what kind of freedom is that. The ability to appreciate what freedom promises are its only limits. Freedom is therefore self limiting, and freedom must assert the existence of the freedoms of others as constitutive of its own freedom.
For what purpose freedom if not to extend your ability to feel, to find in others yourself and all delight, which involves sharing and empathy. For the will to rule is not freedom but weakness: the fear of the inner slave soul shrouded it in a royal cloak - rather freedom is the power to cooperate û which is the philosophersÆ mercury. It anticipates more than what is, and reaches forward to the saltation to come: the product of cooperation itself - the great riches of that shared future.
While most Fractioneers wouldn't advance ethics as an argument in defense of ideology our NRDS is nonetheless an necessary prerequisite for a deontological explanation of Justice. By which it is meant that the principle of reciprocal or mutual freedom must be grounded in equity or fairness, so that when we speak of freedom we are also speaking of justice. I am not moralizing when I speak of justice or legitimacy, but of the original position in the state of nature, and of its law: a natural right to the liberty to do anything one wills to preserve oneÆs own life. This is the only basis upon which justice can be founded.
In extension your theory of freedom: to devour all, take all that you envy and wantonly destroy all that you can't use: your philosophy of consumption will produce one thing only. Indeed you all ready appear to be full of it.
For us our NRDS is an expression of our commitment to free space, to a profound respect for mutual external relationships between beings, acting as the Archimedean point outside of any political objective, conditioning the Fraction's dealings with everyone. For without this the logical pull towards defection, towards fear is overwhelming. In its strong form this NRDS is free-space.
I am a free captain because of this, when I look at you I see only pirates.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Evet Morrel Edited by: Evet Morrel on 01/06/2011 15:19:52
I am a free captain because of this, when I look at you I see only pirates.
Funny, when I look at you or any other Fractionite, I see prey.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/06/2011 15:29:37
Originally by: Nemesor Funny, when I look at you or any other Fractionite, I see prey.
I imagine a slaverhound has much the same thought-process and depth to its intellectual development. (and probably similar capability to achieve its boasts in space)
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:33:00 -
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You ask a fair question monsieur Galente and I am happy to answer it directly. There is a practical answer and an ideological answer.
First the practical:
The Star Fraction fights to assert our right to conduct free transit and commercial activity in New Eden where and when we chose. And by practising NRDS engagement ideology we choose not to inhibit the rights of other neutral parties to do the same. We wish to encourage and trade and commerce and since our enemies are generally those who stand opposed to such things, we can quite evidently claim to be standing in the subjective ôrightö in the perceptions of those who wish to see development and commercial success in low-security and nullsec space.
To illustrate simply: We have recently moved the focus of our operations to Placid Region where the Fraction has established an HQ and various staging towers. Our intention here is to build profitable relationships with neutrals and friends while finding opportunity to engage and confront those organizations who choose to bring hostility and violence against our shipping. We began our journey in this Star Cluster as traders in rare commodities travelling to dangerous places, it is a part of our history we have never lost. There needs to be a purpose to fighting û and engaging the enemies of freespace, free-commerce and free-movement in New Eden is a cause of flair and clarity.
And the ideological:
We believe that freedom cannot be imposed from above. We are anarchists, individualists, non-conformist anti-state radicals and revolutionaries. We believe that capsuleers can show the way to free mankind of the shackles of hierarchy and state-violence and demonstrate the virtues of free-association and voluntary collaboration to profitable ends.
By demonstrating our ability to exist and flourish in the dangerous environment of Placid we set an example that others may choose to follow. There is no need to live in fear of pirates and ravagers and brigands, one has only to learn to stand and fight back û coexist and trade with honest pilots, evade, trap or confront the dishonest. Our revolution is a fight that is won in a million tiny skirmishes and our example reflected in a new pilot deciding to stand and fight back rather than submit to monolithic hierarchy or slip to random violence means more than a thousand ship kills and vapid boasts. And as to the difference between our freedom and Tatsuo NukoÆs freedom?
On one level these is little. One is free to act as they chose. But one is never free from consequence. We believe in demonstrating our Freedom to choose whether we kill or not, to choose to trade and respect diplomacy and arrangements, to conduct business and profitable exchange is as powerful as Tatsuo NukoÆs choice to consider herself a simple predator and all other life her prey.
The consequence of our choice to respect neutrality in the interest of business and progressive commercial interaction is hostility and vendettas from the likes of Rote Kapelle and Veto.
The consequence of her choice to murder everyone she meets in demonstration of her freedom is that we consider her a disappointment and betrayer of the potential of capsuleer immortality who is simply regressing to the role of tyrant she once opposed.
-cont.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:34:00 -
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What is Freedom? û The freedom to make a choice.
What is Liberation? û Enabling or encouraging another to make a choice.
Freedom from what? û Bad ideas in the main. Freedom from regressive thinking and the status quo that teaches us we are simply weapons to be used for the governments of the cluster to fight their wars and imprison their people.
Freedom for what? û Freedom to make friends, freedom to make money, freedom to build and grow, freedom to explore and discover, freedom to break the bonds of our imposed reality and reach towards a better future where humanity transcends this political stasis and launches world-ships to the stars of Pleides where our children will dance and make us smile anew.
And the ôwhyö monsieur? û well *smiles* because we can.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:45:00 -
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Yes dear Jade, the dance continues. It is quite true that "the majority of [my] public writing" has for the last two years been related to you and yours. However, this thing with "need" and "close obsession" is amusing. I have been so obsessed with you that the sum total of my writing is... what? 10 posts? Over two years? Now sure, those 10-ish posts are indeed a majority, because I haven't been writing much about anything in public. See how easy it is to change a picture depending on the words one chooses to describe it?
If you feel better through classifying an average of one post every two months as an obsession, go ahead.
Now, I am however amused by your linguistic little dance. "Mercy"...
I'll give you a hint, dear Jade: I'm just having fun. I didn't adress you and didn't intend to do so, but after you came down with thunder and gnashing teeth I just couldn't restrain myself from stringing you on for a little bit. No doubt you are also just having fun (or at least so I hope) - it takes some sort of underlying passion for opaque wordplay to write in the needlessly convoluted manner that you do. But right now you are just plain and simply being silly. It is an amusing display though so don't let me stop you. You have dug yourself so far up your own delusions that I'm surprised we don't hear you talking about how the transcendent teapots are giving you your information.
But unfortunately, as has been clearly displayed, attempting discussion with the insane is a meaningless excercise. One might as well try to argue epistemology with a grilled fedo.
Still though, keep it up. Your organization does still contain some people of quality and merit, and hopefully they'll have the opportunity to continue with whatever makes them happy. To them: congratulations on your achievements and keep it up.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:49:00 -
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Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.
Anyways, to the thread: Although the Universe is very aware that I'm no lover of these "We will force you to be free" anarchist mind set, I'll raise a toast to your celebration because of the umpredictable consequences that chaos theory permitted it to be shaped. If it wasn't by such Ideals, many years ago a certain Gallente wouldn't have requested an audience with me and as consequence something would be less brighter to the future.
So a toast to the ideals which has made a Gallente woman so blind and crazy to the point of thinking she could enter the ship of an Amarrian Sani Sabik Sovereign to sell politics many years ago. The idea itself was so daring and absurd that the Universe decided to make a twist of it on its own way.
You came to sell politics and failed. But you left my ship with something far more precious which would shape the destiny of many including yours.
* raises her glass * Always dance to celebrate.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:56:00 -
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Oh, I like those answers. While I am currently stuck in High Sec space (relatively new), you can count on my future support.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:57:00 -
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The point you conveniently skip over Tatsue is that I was suggesting there is nothing else for you to talk about, that is why youÆve made perhaps a dozen posts in two years and the grand majority of those are about us.
I challenged you to tell me what else you stand for? What you are doing? How exactly you differ from the idiot rank and file of your associations (that you assured us you do not identify yourself with).
Now of course you can claim your post count is not exactly impression in the Andreus Ixirus school of forum stalking û but he does at least prove himself an equal-opportunity shotgun frother and rarely limits his range to a single subject. You on the other hand talk about nothing else!
So weÆll close the dance with the ôIÆm less bothered than youö minuet (as usual until the next time).
As for insanity and the virtues of speaking to the ôclearly teapotö IÆm quite content to measure my grasp of reality and intention to conduct fair and equitable business relationships with neutral standing pilots in New Eden against your furious nihilism and blood-thirsty desire to ôburn the worldö.
It is said that a psychopath rarely takes responsibility for the actions conducted û you prove that point quite admirably Tatsue. By all means keep murdering neutrals and telling yourself the screams of the dying are paeans to your sanity while the hulls tumble and burn in the void.
Such sanity you can keep. I prefer honesty any day of the week.
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.
Anyways, to the thread: Although the Universe is very aware that I'm no lover of these "We will force you to be free" anarchist mind set, I'll raise a toast to your celebration because of the umpredictable consequences that chaos theory permitted it to be shaped. If it wasn't by such Ideals, many years ago a certain Gallente wouldn't have requested an audience with me and as consequence something would be less brighter to the future.
So a toast to the ideals which has made a Gallente woman so blind and crazy to the point of thinking she could enter the ship of an Amarrian Sani Sabik Sovereign to sell politics many years ago. The idea itself was so daring and absurd that the Universe decided to make a twist of it on its own way.
You came to sell politics and failed. But you left my ship with something far more precious which would shape the destiny of many including yours.
* raises her glass * Always dance to celebrate.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Politics in and of itself is useless. A toast to that?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.
Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?
Originally by: Revan Neferis Anyways, to the thread: Although the Universe is very aware that I'm no lover of these "We will force you to be free" anarchist mind set, I'll raise a toast to your celebration because of the unpredictable consequences that chaos theory permitted it to be shaped. If it wasn't by such Ideals, many years ago a certain Gallente wouldn't have requested an audience with me and as consequence something would be less brighter to the future. So a toast to the ideals which has made a Gallente woman so blind and crazy to the point of thinking she could enter the ship of an Amarrian Sani Sabik Sovereign to sell politics many years ago. The idea itself was so daring and absurd that the Universe decided to make a twist of it on its own way. You came to sell politics and failed. But you left my ship with something far more precious which would shape the destiny of many including yours.
Many people make a mistake of reading such in your opening quote. There is no forcing people to be free - such a thing is lunacy and is only raised as a straw-man target to be dismantled at the service of those who wish profoundly that nobody should be free. We can speak of freedom, we can sing of freedom, I can dance to the music of freedom and show others how it is to live in freedom. The revolution is in demonstration and example and burns in the witness heart of those touched by its flame.
Let us not give breath to the windy-lies of idiots and fools, morons and scraping non-entities that type out this rubbish with their knuckles while planning the next depravity on the weak.
You know the truth of our revolution my lady Neferis, you have seen it in my eyes and tasted it on my lips and danced with me through wild nights of liberation and discovery.
One cannot force freedom and only the most purile fraudster would claim I have ever tried.
We can however bring annihilation and woe to those who would limit our freedom.
And you and I have done this many times in the course of our history to the discomfiture of theocratic tyrant, statist functionary or nithling brigand king alike.
Quote: * raises her glass * Always dance to celebrate.
To freedom forever, revolution without end, to fire and madness and the passion of dreams beyond control, because in truth, nothing ever burns down by itself my love ...
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Amarr Propaganda Due
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 01/06/2011 16:48:35
Originally by: Jason Galente Politics in and of itself is useless. A toast to that?
Depends of what you are drinking.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?
Oh please. Nemesor was a fine capsuleer , I do have found memories of our interactions before the storm. I'm particularly found of one, an holographic bird he once gave to me inside the Maison. There was a beautiful story behind that but here is not the place to go deeper on it.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Many people make a mistake of reading such in your opening quote. There is no forcing people to be free - such a thing is lunacy and is only raised as a straw-man target to be dismantled at the service of those who wish profoundly that nobody should be free. We can speak of freedom, we can sing of freedom, I can dance to the music of freedom and show others how it is to live in freedom. The revolution is in demonstration and example and burns in the witness heart of those touched by its flame.
There is no mistake to be made by reading my opening quote. I'm an Amarrian Sovereign, Sani Sabik and by that alone I live by the principles of my faith which is simply: Power dictates any freedom. Freedom, itself is an illusion, a word, a granted mercy of concept that those who have power, grants to those who haven't, so they can have the illusion of something to fight for. It's a form of control like any other. But as the Protocols of Sani Sabik states: the only true freedom that could ever exist is when you have power enough to exercise your Will even if it be above the will of others. Any freedom ends when it encounters a stronger will to overcome it.
"We will force you to be free" doesn't exist, in the same way as any fight for freedom is also an absurd concept. Only those who accumulates power are seeking true freedom. In truth, It's a path that I have lived by without hesitation. It's a paradox to think that many "tyrants" are the only practical example of true freedom, isn't it beautiful?
Originally by: Jade Constantine You know the truth of our revolution my lady Neferis, you have seen it in my eyes and tasted it on my lips and danced with me through wild nights of liberation and discovery.
Can't deny you're quite an expert in such revolutions Jacqueline.
Originally by: Jade Constantine We can however bring annihilation and woe to those who would limit our freedom.
And you and I have done this many times in the course of our history to the discomfiture of theocratic tyrant, statist functionary or nithling brigand king alike.
As I stated above, it's a battle of Wills. What I want will preval over what I don't want as long as I have power enough to assure it.
Funny, a thought came to my mind: it's rather ironic that me, being a tyrant, an Amarr , a Sani Sabik Sovereign, a banker, someone who advocates a Single Universal Order by Power alone, understands that the consequences of such ideals are what you call freedom, after all.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
nothing ever burns down by itself my love ...
I just happen to like Fires. A lot.
* blows a kiss to her lover *
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis Edited by: Revan Neferis on 01/06/2011 16:48:35
Originally by: Jason Galente Politics in and of itself is useless. A toast to that?
Depends of what you are drinking.
Funny, a thought came to my mind: it's rather ironic that me, being a tyrant, an Amarr , a Sani Sabik Sovereign, a banker, someone who advocates a Single Universal Order by Power alone, understands that the consequences of such ideals are what you call freedom, after all.
Originally by: Jade Constantine
nothing ever burns down by itself my love ...
I just happen to like Fires. A lot.
* blows a kiss to her lover *
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
I would argue otherwise. Rather, I believe that the consequences of a properly equipped freedom movement, if successful, would merely establish such 'Order' as you call it: create the new status quo. Organize a new hierarchy and a new system of power. Power and tyranny never dies, it just transfers. History is one big circle of this happening endlessly. By trying to fight tyranny, most end up becoming tyrants themselves. Freedom is the means to Tyranny as the ends. And it is the devout but blind loyalty of the simple minded to such causes that enables this to continue.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 17:01:35
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Revan Neferis Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.
Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?
Oh Jade. I find it absolutely adorable when you start name calling. It lets your opponent know that they are actually getting to you. Don't forget, I listened to you froth and gnash your teeth for hours on end during comms about Archbishop, Gorion... basically whoever was playing the part of target for your verbal vomit that week.
Secret to Jade's enemies. Yes she does care and yes it does eat at her endlessly. Like an emotional teenager, "Why oh why won't they just understand!?"
Back to the matter at hand... more circular logic from the Star Fraction. Ineptly waltzing between the knees of their betters like a girl-child with delusions of being the bride. I have no need to point out the weakness of your ideology. Your relevance does so far more effectively. Your actual impact does so to far greater effect.
Eight years and the only thing that has changed is you are less than you were.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Galente By trying to fight tyranny, most end up becoming tyrants themselves. Freedom is the means to Tyranny as the ends.
Isn't the Universe beautiful? The mirror effect is always fantastic, and some concepts are truly almost ambigramatic symbols per se.
I like your signature btw.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 17:01:35
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Revan Neferis Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.
Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?
Oh Jade. I find it absolutely adorable when you start name calling. It lets your opponent know that they are actually getting to you. Don't forget, I listened to you froth and gnash your teeth for hours on end during comms about Archbishop, Gorion... basically whoever was playing the part of target for your verbal vomit that week.
Secret to Jade's enemies. Yes she does care and yes it does eat at her endlessly. Like an emotional teenager, "Why oh why won't they just understand!?"
Back to the matter at hand... more circular logic from the Star Fraction. Ineptly waltzing between the knees of their betters like a girl-child with delusions of being the bride. I have no need to point out the weakness of your ideology. Your relevance does so far more effectively. Your actual impact does so to far greater effect.
Eight years and the only thing that has changed is you are less than you were.
On the contrary, it is you who shows weakness while Jade remains resolute and calm. And their logic is straight forward and logical. Your logic, on the other hand, consists of what appears to be attempts to accuse Star Fraction of the same crimes you are guilty of. I think it would be best if you stop talking before you seriously embarrass yourself.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Nemesor Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 17:01:35
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Revan Neferis Nemesor... ah that's a name that brings me good memories.
Perhaps you had a slaverhound by that name love?
Oh Jade. I find it absolutely adorable when you start name calling. It lets your opponent know that they are actually getting to you. Don't forget, I listened to you froth and gnash your teeth for hours on end during comms about Archbishop, Gorion... basically whoever was playing the part of target for your verbal vomit that week.
Secret to Jade's enemies. Yes she does care and yes it does eat at her endlessly. Like an emotional teenager, "Why oh why won't they just understand!?"
Back to the matter at hand... more circular logic from the Star Fraction. Ineptly waltzing between the knees of their betters like a girl-child with delusions of being the bride. I have no need to point out the weakness of your ideology. Your relevance does so far more effectively. Your actual impact does so to far greater effect.
Eight years and the only thing that has changed is you are less than you were.
On the contrary, it is you who shows weakness while Jade remains resolute and calm. And their logic is straight forward and logical. Your logic, on the other hand, consists of what appears to be attempts to accuse Star Fraction of the same crimes you are guilty of. I think it would be best if you stop talking before you seriously embarrass yourself.
I am sure Jade appreciates the rescue, good sir knight.
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Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor
Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Nemesor Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 17:01:35
Oh Jade. I find it absolutely adorable when you start name calling. It lets your opponent know that they are actually getting to you. Don't forget, I listened to you froth and gnash your teeth for hours on end during comms about Archbishop, Gorion... basically whoever was playing the part of target for your verbal vomit that week.
Secret to Jade's enemies. Yes she does care and yes it does eat at her endlessly. Like an emotional teenager, "Why oh why won't they just understand!?"
Back to the matter at hand... more circular logic from the Star Fraction. Ineptly waltzing between the knees of their betters like a girl-child with delusions of being the bride. I have no need to point out the weakness of your ideology. Your relevance does so far more effectively. Your actual impact does so to far greater effect.
Eight years and the only thing that has changed is you are less than you were.
On the contrary, it is you who shows weakness while Jade remains resolute and calm. And their logic is straight forward and logical. Your logic, on the other hand, consists of what appears to be attempts to accuse Star Fraction of the same crimes you are guilty of. I think it would be best if you stop talking before you seriously embarrass yourself.
I am sure Jade appreciates the rescue, good sir knight.
Is it a rescue if there is no real threat?
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
I just happen to like Fires. A lot.
Hmm. I have something in common with Revan. Perhaps this clone is starting to deteriorate and impact my sanity after all. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I just happen to like Fires. A lot.
Hmm. I have something in common with Revan. Perhaps this clone is starting to deteriorate and impact my sanity after all.
That's a good thing. For capsuleers who have been at space as long as we are and have seen, lived and experienced all the hell and heaven that this Universe is capable to offer, I'd say that sanity is long time overrated. But none of us would be who we are if we didn't know this already hum?
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Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:47:00 -
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congratulations on your persistence and endurance. _________________________________________
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Let us see whether the Rote Kapelle wardec outlives Moira Corporation and if the will of VetoÆs Dreadnaught fleet will surpass our ability to raise staging towers and resist the oppressive stench of quisling aroma stealing from the Roach Motel in TXW-EI system. It is clear to us now that this unsightly coterie of clowns wishes to spread its miasmatic chife across free Placid to stifle all the glorious scents of liberation and freedom if they can. Will second hand ambition inherited from the fevered hatred of pitifully-obsessed minds prove sufficent to the task their drooling lips have set for themselves? We doubt it.
It's easy to claim victory when you randomly try to create an adversary's "objectives" without the slightest clue about their operational intentions and principles.
Obviously you seem to be claiming some form of inflated importance in our eyes. Let me spell it out for you :
We're pirates, you're as much of a target as the rest of New Eden.
Reinforcing your towers in Placid was more to give a demonstration of a fraction of our offensive capability on a loosely organised operation, and moreover for a laugh at watching your logistics spend pretty much a full night of their time repairing the damage, just the same as you've been doing to Moira.
Oh, that and the bonus that we happened to witness you have your ass thoroughly handed to yourself by Moira forces a little later while trying to high-tail it back to your base of ops in Ostingele.
That said, I'm not really bothered about fighting a war of words. I have more interesting things to do with my time, so I'll leave you with this :
You started this conflict by dragging us into it with your own arrogance. The olive branch is still there, and I still have a strong sense of respect for the history and heritage of the Freecaptains.
Perhaps when you pull your head out of your own ******** and realise this, we can talk.
Until then, congratulations to The Freecaptains of The Star Fraction, and here's to many more years of fruitful and successful operation.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 19:54:00 -
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I see we will go over the same ground in another thread Verone. I have no idea what you are simpering about claiming we have ôinventedö win conditions for Moira û their CEO made it very plain that their win conditions were to drive the Fraction from Placid - it is there in black and white on their war thread.
Since you have joined the war on their behalf it is not a difficult logical extension to attribute your motives as similar. Sure you are pirates û youÆd be better to sticking at piracy rather than moonlighting in diplomacy because frankly you are terrible at it.
As for your failed attack on our defence towers itÆs worth noting your 100 man fleet took an hour or so to reinforce towers that our 20 man logistics group repaired in 3. In terms of effort expended you put the best part of 100 billion isk at hazard to achieve precisely nothing. For a man that likes to talk about the profit margin and bottom line this seems quite an unwise investment that makes sense only if one reads between the lines and sees the gesture in terms of a vainglorious attempt at bullying your way out of a vendetta of your making.
I have no idea what you mean by Moira getting the better of us afterwards û their CEO was removed from a Dominix class battleship and I lost a Drake. Seemed a fair exchange to my assessment.
Still by all means keep telling us all that you care nothing about a conflict that you have devoted thousands upon thousands of words of pointless froth infesting. This conflict was started by Moira Corporation interfering with Star Fraction operations in Placid. You chose to deploy in favour of Moira to support their aggression against the Fraction.
IÆm not sure what kind of ôolive branchö you can offer since at no point have you suggested ever changing your habits and considering us anything more than enemies. So be it really Verone. Stop pretending to be a diplomat when you are behaving like nothing more than a painted thug. If you want to talk learn to put down the guns first.
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Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 01/06/2011 20:32:30
Originally by: Jade Constantine I see we will go over the same ground in another thread Verone. I have no idea what you are simpering about claiming we have ôinventedö win conditions for Moira û their CEO made it very plain that their win conditions were to drive the Fraction from Placid - it is there in black and white on their war thread.
We do indeed go over the same ground, and as usual you try to twist my words.
I was referring to OUR objectives, not Moira's. We don't have any other than to take potshots at you in space or use you as target practice when it pleases us.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Since you have joined the war on their behalf it is not a difficult logical extension to attribute your motives as similar.
Incorrect. You forced us into this war by adding us as "Friends of Moira" in your campaign.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Sure you are pirates û youÆd be better to sticking at piracy rather than moonlighting in diplomacy because frankly you are terrible at it.
I'm terrible at it with you because frankly I give it no effort. That statement is rich coming from someone who's managed to systematically alienate just about every other organisation of any worth in the cluster.
Originally by: Jade Constantine As for your failed attack on our defence towers itÆs worth noting your 100 man fleet took an hour or so to reinforce towers that our 20 man logistics group repaired in 3.
Failed attack? Lets look at our objective :
Reinforce your towers - Complete. Make you spend time repairing them for inconvenience - Complete. Use the event as a sortie to refine our capital deployment techniques and further streamline operations with Rote Kapelle - Complete.
Pretty successful.
Originally by: Jade Constantine In terms of effort expended you put the best part of 100 billion isk at hazard to achieve precisely nothing.
There's another fair few trillion laying around doing nothing. It's really not a concern. We achieved our objectives, 100m or 100b on the line, regardless.
Originally by: Jade Constantine For a man that likes to talk about the profit margin and bottom line this seems quite an unwise investment that makes sense only if one reads between the lines and sees the gesture in terms of a vainglorious attempt at bullying your way out of a vendetta of your making.
We were confident you wouldn't have the backbone to face us, as usual. We were proven correct. We were also confident that you have little to no support from anyone in the local area because of your hideous attitude and terrible diplomatic ability. We were proven correct.
Originally by: Jade Constantine I have no idea what you mean by Moira getting the better of us afterwards û their CEO was removed from a Dominix class battleship and I lost a Drake. Seemed a fair exchange to my assessment.
Moira's losses aren't my problem. I was referring to you having your ass handed to you by half a dozen of them, which was amusing.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Still by all means keep telling us all that you care nothing about a conflict that you have devoted thousands upon thousands of words of pointless froth infesting.
You're one to talk, sweetie. Pot, kettle? Most people tend not to read your drivel any more, I still do given the fact it provides some small amusement given the total detatchment from reality that you have.
Originally by: Jade Constantine This conflict was started by Moira Corporation interfering with Star Fraction operations in Placid. You chose to deploy in favour of Moira to support their aggression against the Fraction.
Incorrect. We took targets of opportunity that we were shown by Moira's CEO, and you claimed we were actively assisting their operations. There's a huge difference.
Again, your detachment from reality is quite funny.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 01/06/2011 20:35:26
Originally by: Jade Constantine IÆm not sure what kind of ôolive branchö you can offer since at no point have you suggested ever changing your habits and considering us anything more than enemies.
You're the one who mailed me arrogantly and set us red after one of our pilots got drunk and fired on a Star Fraction Typhoon, ironically losing his Thorax in a drunken stupor in the process.
Originally by: Jade Constantine So be it really Verone. Stop pretending to be a diplomat when you are behaving like nothing more than a painted thug. If you want to talk learn to put down the guns first.
Nine out of ten times, people hold the guns for me. Money, loyalty and trust from people you treat with respect tends to earn you that. Something you'd know nothing about.
As for being a painted thug? I'm Gurista sweetheart, I'm happy to be regarded as an uncouth, savage, heartless, manipluative, vicious bastard.
Those I do business with and whom with I share mutual trust know that they can count on me.
In the end it's you who's frothing at the mouth and behaving like a child, mentioning Veto Corp and Rote Kapelle at every concievable opportunity you have to do so. I'm simply untangling your words and the logic that you have that's completely detached from reality so that those reading can understand the situation.
As for the olive branch, you'll find that 99.9% of the time I'm not holding a gun. I'm quite sorry that I scare you enough for you not to speak to me for fear of being shot.
The offer for a resolution is always on the table, I'm a businessman after all. The difference between you and me is that you tend to stick to your own little bubble of faux reality, and I live in the real world.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:41:00 -
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Oh do be quiet you pathetic little man.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Oh do be quiet you pathetic little man.
That's it darling, throw the toys from the pram.
I'm sorry to break it to you, but the truth hurts. Don't worry, your ego will heal in time.
As for this thread, lets look at my objectives :
Antagonise the good Miss Constantine until she whines and flies off the handle, throwing her toys out of the pram - Complete.
Pretty successful. Fly safe sweetheart.
Ciao
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:46:00 -
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You are the one posting pages of froth Verone. Trying to justify a completely failed operation on some kind of success. I'm entirely happy to have your true face revealed as the nasty little foot-stamping creature you are.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
You are the one posting pages of froth Verone. Trying to justify a completely failed operation on some kind of success. I'm entirely happy to have your true face revealed as the nasty little foot-stamping creature you are.
Still seething, darling?
Don't worry, you'll calm down in time.
Either that or your over-active imagination will start to produce more tripe for you to post.
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Graelyn
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:58:00 -
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Isn't it fun?
No one throws a fit like a Fractionist.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine I'm entirely happy to have your true face revealed as the nasty little foot-stamping creature you are.
Oh and just to point out and reiterate :
Originally by: Verone Until then, congratulations to The Freecaptains of The Star Fraction, and here's to many more years of fruitful and successful operation.
I congratulated you, and offered you an olive branch while correcting your perception of our operations.
You're the one foot-stomping and throwing personal insults around darling.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:01:00 -
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A few platitudes after a thousand words of crying hardly paint you in a great light Verone. Your starbase attack was a complete failure. Please try again.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:02:00 -
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Name calling and fit throwing are Jade's goto methods of winning an argument. She is so used to yes men and simpering hangers on in her alliance, she really has no idea how to deal with people of differing opinions.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
A few platitudes after a thousand words of crying hardly paint you in a great light Verone. Your starbase attack was a complete failure. Please try again.
Crying?
I'm perfectly composed honey.
You're the one throwing personal insults around and foaming at the mouth because you've realised that I'm right, and have no other means of argument other than personal insults and repetitive monologue.
Failure?
I outlined our objectives, and it's quite apparent that the operation was a complete success in that respect.
Bury your head in the sand sweetie, I'm sure the bad men will go away if you dig deep enough.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:08:00 -
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Rote/Veto people keep speaking about "throwing fits" I have to wonder if they are protecting their own emotions rather too transparently for IGS at this point. Get over it guys!
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 01/06/2011 21:10:26
Rote/Veto people keep speaking about "throwing fits" I have to wonder if they are projecting their own emotions rather too transparently for IGS at this point. Get over it guys!
It would seem that we're all posting quiet coherently and directly, without the need to launch into a tirade of personal insults.
Trying to turn the fact that you flew off the handle 180 degrees won't work I'm afraid sweetie.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:18:00 -
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Lover's quarrel?
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Vitalia Lover's quarrel?
She wishes.
I don't think there's a bed in the cluster that could support a man who's 8 feet tall, plus her immense ego.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:22:00 -
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Amarrian nobles build chamber-beds to these specifications with regularity.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Vitalia Amarrian nobles build chamber-beds to these specifications with regularity.
I've never really been in the market for Amarrian styled furniture darling.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:27:00 -
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The best way you can demonstrate your balanced mood and lack of all furious footstamping is probably to go home Verone. Alternatively you could hang around outside the nightclub swearing vengeance and trying to pass off a failed tower assault as something other than a waste of ships/ammo/time and effort.
At this point you are embarrassing yourself more than usual.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Silas Vitalia Amarrian nobles build chamber-beds to these specifications with regularity.
I've never really been in the market for Amarrian styled furniture darling.
Please, you haven't anything I'm interested in. Not to be vulgar but I would break you like some small toy.
I merely meant that ego and hubris do often make strange bedfellows. Excuse my attempt at humor, with all of the gnashing of teeth I thought some small levity might be in order. Please continue berating each other.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
The best way you can demonstrate your balanced mood and lack of all furious footstamping is probably to go home Verone.
I am at home darling, presiding over a successfully running, 100+ pilot corporation that operates smoothly and seamlessly for the best part.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Alternatively you could hang around outside the nightclub swearing vengeance
Hang around where? That'll be you slipping into your little bubble again.
Originally by: Jade Constantine trying to pass off a failed tower assault as something other than a waste of ships/ammo/time and effort.
Re-Read my original statements with respect to this. Just because you're discounting them, it doesn't make them any less true outside of your little bubble of faux reality.
Originally by: Jade Constantine At this point you are embarrassing yourself more than usual.
Pray tell, how sweetheart?
I've given you nothing but direct, non-sugar coated fact.
Your only comeback has been a tirade of personal insults and demands for me to shut up, or go home.
I'm hardly the one who should be embarrassed darling.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:33:00 -
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Been a great day, thanks for all your kind words here & a big cheers to my fellow free captains.
I salute you all!
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
Been a great day, thanks for all your kind words here & a big cheers to my fellow free captains.
I salute you all!
Congratulations to yourself and those you fly alongside.
I did ask your Executor to pass on my regards, but she's too busy insulting me.
I hope today has been a most momentous day for your pilots, and that you'll continue to see further operational success in future.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:41:00 -
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If you have now calmed down and are happy to leave it at that brief statement Verone I imagine we can all try and ignore your earlier outbursts in expression of simple good taste.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
If you have now calmed down and are happy to leave it at that brief statement Verone I imagine we can all try and ignore your earlier outbursts in expression of simple good taste.
I'm quite calm, sweetheart. You're the one who started throwing bile and insults around.
All I've been doing is defending myself.
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Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:53:00 -
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I would also like to take this moment to join the 'celebratory' tone in here and say cheers to both my friends and my enemies.
After all, this strange universe would be significantly worse without either.
I believe a great man once said "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?".
-Facta, Non Verba.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:54:00 -
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Well Verone, I'm glad to see you have recovered your poise a little. More dignified all things considered. You might be a shocking bore and all that but I don't like to see all my enemies squealing like stuck pigs on our anniversary threads
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Tecam Hund on 01/06/2011 21:55:07
Originally by: Nemesor Edited by: Nemesor on 01/06/2011 06:45:38 [
It is no mean feat to maintain a cult of personality for so long. I offer my congratulations.
What happens when your members figure out the Jovians aren't coming to pick them up in a holy, rainbow sailed mothership to take them to the next plane of reality?
I ignore the rest of this message, as it seems to be another display you spinning rapidly in a small circle whilst beating your chest.
I really grow tired of long speeches, endless debates and old feuds, so I'll just say this...
The reason I am in Jericho Fraction is because I trust my comrades to stand by me in battle and because, after being a pirate for a considerable amount of time, I've come to believe that NRDS is a preferable way of pod pilots going around their business.
I trust Jade's unshakable idealism and passion to provide the drive and purpose any organization needs. Jade have also proven herself in combat every time we were in the same fleet. And that is all that I need. Whether I agree with her on everything else is largely irrelevant as long as I have a place to practice my ideals. And believe me, we disagree on more things than we agree on from the way Jade handles PR to combat theory.
I think you know well enough, Nem that trying to organize anarchists is like herding cats. What happened between Stimulus and JF is frankly a shame. A result of too many large egos colliding and failing to come to a compromise. And even after the split there was no reason for hostilities to rise as far as I am concerned. In my eyes difference between you and me is the engagement policy and it is hardly an impenetrable barrier.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well Verone, I'm glad to see you have recovered your poise a little. More dignified all things considered. You might be a shocking bore and all that but I don't like to see all my enemies squealing like stuck pigs on our anniversary threads
Attempts at reverse psychology and trying to goad me into insulting you won't work on me I'm afraid Jade.
I got what I wanted, which was for you to explode as usual and cause a huge scene when presented with the true black and white facts.
Nice try though.
I hope your pilots have an enjoyable Anniversary, be sure to pass on my regards to them.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:06:00 -
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Hmmm I do wonder sometimes at the "reality" you are living in little pirate.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:16:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Hmmm I do wonder sometimes at the "reality" you are living in little pirate.
Here we go again. You just don't know when to quit, do you?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:17:00 -
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Free bumps baby. Keep them coming.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:18:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Free bumps baby. Keep them coming.
Not a problem, always happy to assist when you're flagging
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:25:00 -
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Well you might find more work for it in a few days. We've still got plenty of natural emo to harvest from your alliance mates before we really need you to put your nose to the grindstone.
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:31:00 -
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Verone, for one who claims to merely be a pirate, you sure do love to argue with political activists. What point are you trying to make?
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:32:00 -
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8 Years, Huh? Not many Capsuleer Corps out there who can claim that.
Here's to the Future, wherever it may lead. ---------------
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Galente Verone, for one who claims to merely be a pirate, you sure do love to argue with political activists. What point are you trying to make?
Politics tend to shape the cluster. Just because one has an NBSI engagement policy and no nationalist loyalties, it doesn't mean one can't keep track of political goings on.
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Jason Galente Verone, for one who claims to merely be a pirate, you sure do love to argue with political activists. What point are you trying to make?
Politics tend to shape the cluster. Just because one has an NBSI engagement policy and no nationalist loyalties, it doesn't mean one can't keep track of political goings on.
At least that makes one politician who is honest about his piracy.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Well you might find more work for it in a few days. We've still got plenty of natural emo to harvest from your alliance mates before we really need you to put your nose to the grindstone.
I'm sure we'll be fine when faced with the torrent of mercenary corporations you'll no doubt have Revan send our way, given the fact you're not capable of fighting your own battles.
Remember, it's TXW. Tango, Xray, Whisky. Left turn at Ostingele, can't miss it.
Ciao.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Verone I'm sure we'll be fine when faced with the torrent of mercenary corporations you'll no doubt have Revan send our way, given the fact you're not capable of fighting your own battles.
Hmmmm I'm not sure you should be complaining about spurious mercenary decs after that extremely dodgy outfit that decced Moira simply to jack up our wardec fee Verone. As for my lover's mercenary fetish - you clearly don't know the first thing about Revan Neferis if you think anybody "has" her do "anything".
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Verone I'm sure we'll be fine when faced with the torrent of mercenary corporations you'll no doubt have Revan send our way
You break my heart making such assumptions. Besides, I never do business without a proper glass of wine and good cigar. Intaki bank station is quite pleasing, i love the quarters. Do come by with Mercy and Fort to have dinner with me some of these nights. I'll stay here for a while.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Verone I'm sure we'll be fine when faced with the torrent of mercenary corporations you'll no doubt have Revan send our way
Besides, I never do business without a proper glass of wine and good cigar.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Amen to that.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:59:00 -
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Congratulations on eight years Captain Constantine.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Hmmmm I'm not sure you should be complaining about spurious mercenary decs after that extremely dodgy outfit that decced Moira simply to jack up our wardec fee Verone.
Nothing to do with me, but an interesting piece of information none the less.
Originally by: Revan Neferis You break my heart making such assumptions. Besides, I never do business without a proper glass of wine and good cigar. Intaki bank station is quite pleasing, i love the quarters. Do come by with Mercy and Fort to have dinner with me some of these nights. I'll stay here for a while.
Not intentional darling, simply a musing on the possible outcome of such a verbal outburst from your partner.
As for the visit. Why not? I'll be sure to arrange something when my schedule permits.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:03:00 -
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Hm.
Well, speaking as someone who's actually succeeded at angering Verone, this doesn't look much like an example of Ethan upset. He's said nothing here he couldn't say with a smile.
Then again, Ethan, for someone who's:
Originally by: Verone happy to be regarded as an uncouth, savage, heartless, manipluative, vicious bastard
... your soft spots are in some interesting places.
You do like your masks, don't you.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 01/06/2011 23:06:55
Originally by: Aria Jenneth Well, speaking as someone who's actually succeeded at angering Verone, this doesn't look much like an example of Ethan upset. He's said nothing here he couldn't say with a smile.
You're one of a VERY select few, sweetie. Still, I'm not one to hold a grudge. Water under the bridge, as they say.
I do hope you're well.
Originally by: Aria Jenneth Then again, Ethan, for someone who's:
Originally by: Verone happy to be regarded as an uncouth, savage, heartless, manipluative, vicious bastard
... your soft spots are in some interesting places.
You do like your masks, don't you.
Oh, but you know I do. If you knew half what you think you do about me darling, you'd be astonished at how blind to the truth you actually are.
Although, your theory on masks is quite relevant.
Stay safe Aria, and do come visit sometime. I'm sure Kyoko would appreciate it.
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Rockafella93
Amarr Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:16:00 -
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Though I spent a comparably short time with your organisation Jade, I must profess nothing but admiration for the work you and the free captains continue to do across the cluster.
May your ideals stay true and your will to fight never dull.
happy anniversary free captains and may many more imperialistic regressive tyrants fall to the will of a free thinking people.
To another 8 years of chasing the dogs wherever they may run.
Rocka
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Verone If you knew half what you think you do about me darling, you'd be astonished at how blind to the truth you actually are.
Mm. Yes. Well. That's something to discuss, nor not discuss, elsewhere. I've recently noticed I have a bad habit of discussing more in public than I should.
Quote: Stay safe Aria, and do come visit sometime. I'm sure Kyoko would appreciate it.
... Most likely. Actually, I think I'd like that; it's been a very long time.
Perhaps I'll see you soon, then, Ethan.
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
I've recently noticed I have a bad habit of discussing more in public than I should.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Galente Amen to that.
Originally by: Jade Constantine As for my lover's mercenary fetish - you clearly don't know the first thing about Revan Neferis if you think anybody "has" her do "anything".
Shocking!
Originally by: Verone As for the visit. Why not? I'll be sure to arrange something when my schedule permits.
Excellent, let me know a bit in advance and I'm sure we can find a good time for us both.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund The reason I am in Jericho Fraction is because I trust my comrades to stand by me in battle
Pretty much sums up my love for Rote Kapelle as well. I've never flown with a better bunch of pilots and never plan to fly with another.
Quote: What happened between Stimulus and JF is frankly a shame. A result of too many large egos colliding and failing to come to a compromise.
Have to agree with the fact that the circumstances were unfortunate, but ultimately the original reason most of us left was we were tired of stagnation every time Jade decided to vanish planetside--the organization at least back then was clearly a personality cult based around Jade, and whenever she was absent, the organization simply fell into a state of hibernation. Despite multiple attempts to motivate the leadership into organizing operations or allowing us to organize operations. For instance, we begged, pleaded, asked and demanded for an operation to hit the infrastructure of CYI, an organization that had refused to surrender and we had promised to return to hit until they did so. We wanted a snap wardec, attacks on their infrastructure, and a brief little road trip down to remind them who we were. The idea was ignored. That's just one example of many from that time period. We finally decided to take matters into our own hands and move on with our goals without Jade and Star Fraction as both seemed unwilling to step up and fight the revolution anywhere but the forums. There were no battles to be won on the Torrinos gate in EC-P8R, but that's where we rotted for 3 long months with no goals, no campaign, no real target to hit, we simply sat around lazily and did nothing.
Ultimately in taking matters into our own hands, in 12 short months we shattered the morale of Aegis Militia, an act that eventually led to their complete collapse, and in the short term cost them sovereignty in several systems. We moved on to shatter the Acheron Federation and quite literally grind it out of existence while simultaneously wounding CYI with what turned out to be a mortal wound. And we did all of that with 1/5 of the numbers that Star Fraction had at their disposal, on a shoestring budget without the vaults full of Tech 2 BPOs and cheap ships and modules provided to our members. We did it out of our own wallets, out of the burning wreckage of our victims, and the assets taken directly from Aegis Militia's coffers and hangars. We also did it after fending off several mercenary organizations hired against us by Revan Neferis on behalf of Jade. Organizations that outnumbered us 10 to 1.
I'll also mention that we sought out friendly standings with SF after leaving. We were summarily rejected.
Quote: In my eyes difference between you and me is the engagement policy and it is hardly an impenetrable barrier.
In mine, it is in the attitudes of our pilots. We are not complacent, we do not spend our time in stations talking up our revolution, we do not spend time caring about our public image, we do not spend time concerning ourselves with silly rules and the public's opinion of our honor and we do not feel the need to justify our actions. We simply do. We do it in space, using ammunition, and by having a real impact on individuals by showing them our superiority as freecaptains. We judge by the numbers of our converts (literally dozens of our members are individuals that we have converted to our cause--you need only look as far as the founding name on our alliance--Gorion Wassenar--to see the truth of this). That is the revolution. That is enlightenment. And that is what we do.
In any case, I bear no personal ill will towards the members of Star Fraction. And still would consider many of the pilots to be friends, though I would not hesitate to shoot them in space so long as hostilities continue between the organizations. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Uraniae Fehrnah
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:30:00 -
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8 years, congratulations are in order regardless of any sociopolitical posturing.
However I can't help but have a question and I'll apologize in advance if it comes off as argumentative.
How many years does it take before a group becomes just another one of those dastardly regressive regimes?
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.02 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Uraniae Fehrnah 8 years, congratulations are in order regardless of any sociopolitical posturing.
However I can't help but have a question and I'll apologize in advance if it comes off as argumentative.
How many years does it take before a group becomes just another one of those dastardly regressive regimes?
From what I've seen from Jade and Star Fraction, there is no element of regressiveness at all. Star Fraction is not your average, blood thirsty anarchist cell. The concept of free trade and what they call 'free space' in general is very progressive in nature.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.06.02 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian We also did it after fending off several mercenary organizations hired against us by Revan Neferis on behalf of Jade. Organizations that outnumbered us 10 to 1.
If only the whole picture of such times were that simple...
Either way brings back a question to the present times; these current wars you are fighting against one another now, what is that exactly for? To see which organization should carry the title of true holders of the anarchist banner, or something else?
I'm interested to read a few different versions regarding this new war.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
Follow me, Come and feel Infinity, eternity... Follow me, Toi et Moi... Deja, deja vu... |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 05:27:00 -
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Edited by: Bacchanalian on 02/06/2011 05:27:05
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Either way brings back a question to the present times; these current wars you are fighting against one another now, what is that exactly for? To see which organization should carry the title of true holders of the anarchist banner, or something else?
I'm interested to read a few different versions regarding this new war.
Revan Neferis Thrice-Illustrious Sovereign Sani Sabik
SF moved into our backyard. They put us up on their campaign propaganda as a target. We obliged them by shooting them, as they presented us with the opportunity on multiple occasions. Simple as that.
____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Tablaren
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2011.06.02 05:34:00 -
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Despite the fact that I do not agree with your ideals.
Congratulations are in order for exsisting as long as you have as a cohesive unit. It truly is no small feat.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.06.02 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Galente From what I've seen from Jade and Star Fraction, there is no element of regressiveness at all.
It's early, yet, Mr. Galente.
Stick around.
(Though in fairness to Ms. Constantine, she has been getting more interesting lately.)
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Damion Zyne
Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 09:19:00 -
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Regardless of the alliance colors I fly under now, I salute the free-captains of The Star Fraction. I just wish you can return to a state where your words are matched by your actions in space again.
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.02 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Originally by: Jason Galente From what I've seen from Jade and Star Fraction, there is no element of regressiveness at all.
It's early, yet, Mr. Galente.
Stick around.
(Though in fairness to Ms. Constantine, she has been getting more interesting lately.)
Exactly why I like her. Another violent idealist.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Damion Zyne Regardless of the alliance colors I fly under now, I salute the free-captains of The Star Fraction. I just wish you can return to a state where your words are matched by your actions in space again.
What have we said that we have not backed up in space?
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: ChipMo
Originally by: Damion Zyne Regardless of the alliance colors I fly under now, I salute the free-captains of The Star Fraction. I just wish you can return to a state where your words are matched by your actions in space again.
What have we said that we have not backed up in space?
The victory conditions you place upon your campaigns and battles are notoriously flexible for starters. What begins as an attempt to grind a foe to dust becomes an interdiction of their shipping lanes or some such. Like a line in the sand that continuously moves to and fro to fit the current situation.
If you want specifics, I am afraid I have better things to do than write a comprehensive report! Reading the weekly campaign reports of the past might yield some insight in that general perception.
On a completely different note, there are some within SF that I remember without dislike and indeed some fondness and respect.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor The victory conditions you place upon your campaigns and battles are notoriously flexible for starters. What begins as an attempt to grind a foe to dust becomes an interdiction of their shipping lanes or some such. Like a line in the sand that continuously moves to and fro to fit the current situation.
It is easy to make airy accusations (just like the Amarrian Nationalist do) it is far harder to back up those accusations with fact. Especially when I believe I can say with confidence that the Star Fraction is one of the few organizations in New Eden that has ever admitted to a campaign failure. This fact alone gives credibility and authority to our successful results.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:15:00 -
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@Bacchanalian (this will be long and involved)
To season the debate with a little historical fact Bacchanalian IÆve taken the liberty of declassifying two of our discussions from the summer preceding the SF/STIM split which are now hosted on SF public. These were formally member level open discussions/votes on campaigns and decisions and give a useful perspective on the tensions and ambitions leading up to the breakup.
Now, firstly IÆll address this business of a ôpersonality cultö in Star Fraction. You are right that I personally was away planetside quite a lot that summer (mostly visiting my lover ms Revan Neferis truth be told) but I think you are being a trifle disingenuous to lay the blame entirely there û after all, at least 3 current Rote Kapelle directors/leadership figures were Star Fraction directors that summer who IÆd trusted to organize, motivate and run things while I was away. Sakura Nihil, Atandros and Tatsue Nuko were all members of the directorate with full access to our resources and quite able to hold meetings, propose votes, and generally drive the alliance in the direction we wanted.
How exactly I can be held responsible for fostering a personality cult when I appointed a group of directors to run the alliance, gave them all the tools they needed to do that and generally supported their ambitions in the eyes in the membership (as long as we have the appropriate public meetings and decisions there) I donÆt really know.
Perhaps the argument is that a CEO/Executor of an alliance can never afford to go on a planetside holiday but really I think we both know the issue of the breakup was something different than this.
So moving on.
That summerÆs campaign was training and economic-boosting visit to Pureblind which the public record IÆve declassified shows was supported by a large majority of the membership. And judging by our numbers and enhanced capital capability by the end of the summer it was successful. (That said I do acknowledge that Aeaus in particular was very unhappy we didn't vote for Geminate) The proposed return to hit CYI (Acheron Federations) Starbase infrastructure was something I supported and was intending to vote for in the campaign choice discussion we were making at the time of the breakaway. My comments (and yours) are now on record in the declassified thread on the subject.
So I donÆt think you can credibly claim to have your ôhands tiedö really. You had three representatives on the alliance directorate and the support of the alliance executor. The Pure Blind summer was something generally approved by the majority of the alliance and directorate and I supported you on. Trying to paint this as a mythological fracture point now is a bit silly.
Where the break finally occurred was in the desire of proto-stimulus to adopt NBSI engagement ideology and formal involvement in high level corporate theft and sabotage as a stategy for war. These discussions had been rumbling for a while and weÆd heard a lot about how Jericho Fraction pilots in particular were ôbeing softö on our commitment to NRDS free-space idealism and drawing the line at infiltration for intel / not wishing to get involved in the murkier business of theft and entity destruction through exploits of weak corporate management tools. Combine this with some genuine personality clashes (Aeaus was by that point considered a right prat by most of JF and we did want rid of him)
Anyway:
So your first 12 months on your own saw you corp-thefting Aegis Militia, putting the boot into Acheron Federation and moving to Syndicate. Quite easy to categorize this as coup-de-grace on the low-hanging fruit really - but fair enough, lets call it unfinished business.
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Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:18:00 -
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Our next 12 months had us joining in an epic fight for the liberation of Providence beside our allies in the UshraÆkhan that truly showed us daring to battle outnumbered and outgunned against the biggest prize of all (CVA). We then moved on to become the terror of the national militias and obliterate dozens of Statist puppets in an enduring campaign that cumulated in the great battles of Space and Freedom in Kamela before a heroic return to Providence to oust Sev3rance and celebrate the fall of the CVA.
Now, like Tecam I do regret the break that happened. I think it was foolish and wasteful and robbed Star Fraction of the chance to annihilate CVA directly that autumn. I think it robbed Stimulus of the chance to become something more than Syndicate dwelling random psychotics with no political agenda.
I do believe that the mutual perception of loss is what creates such bitterness still between both sides. One has only to read the mournful lonely rambling of Tatsuo Nuko earlier in this thread to see the degree to which she yearns for something more than the company of hollow-eyed killers chanting clichTd paeans to ôseeing the world burnö or ôbeing the greatest predatorö û its trite such and no fit meal for a revolutionary.
Even your mention of our standings is a bit rum Bacchanalian. We are NRDS, for us neutrality is friendship. For you in adopting NBSI neutrality = target. You were told by all means set us + if you wanted to avoid shooting our vessels, our pilots do not need that safety wheel because we donÆt see neutrals as a threat.
So to attitudes, allow me to riposte:
Whilst I agree your pilots do not spend your time in stations ôtalking up the revolutionö that does not mean you donÆt spend the majority of your time there (in stations) talking of other things û in case of your pilots - it is mostly trolling each other about kills achieved and suffered. Rote Kapelle alliance is generally docked in TXW-EI for large periods of the day and only travels in combat patrols of overwhelming number to engage unfortunates. Nothing much to criticise against the general behaviour and customs of nullsec enclosurists/random hostiles; but nothing particularly praiseworthy or notable either. You laud your distain for public image as a virtue but still you (meaning Rote Kapelle) are amongst the most common posters on Star Fraction threads û it seems that while you donÆt care for ôyour imageö you certainly care about attempting to rubbish the ôimageö of others. Even when these attempts stretch credibility way beyond breaking point.
Currently for example: weÆve had Rote Kapelle and Veto posters beating their chests about a failed tower assault against SF assets when your combined alliances had a 10-1 numerical advantage. WeÆve had Rote Kapelle and Veto posters shouting invective and vitriol like lunatics at the fact that Star Fraction is not prepared to line up and die against massive odds at times of your pleasing.
WeÆve had bizarre confused statements sometimes claiming you arenÆt supporting moira, sometimes you are, sometimes there is no war, sometimes there is, sometimes itÆs a campaign to obliterate us, sometimes itÆs not û and always there is the niggling feeling at the back of the consciousness.
If Rote Kapelle and Veto really did believe Star Fraction was utterly useless wouldnÆt they actually be prepared to fight with less than 5-1 odds in their favour? WouldnÆt they sometimes be prepared to take the tiniest little risk?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:21:00 -
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I mean letÆs look at a valid case for comparison.
SF has been attacking the Moira HQ tower in Pelille with gangs of around 15-20 pilots û knowing that our primary enemy can muster that size of gang themselves if Soter can master his cowardice for a moment. And knowing also that Rote Kapelle and Veto can bring 5 times that number to support Moira in a moment through the Titan bridge. (To say nothing of other regional hostiles that love to drop tower assaulting forces *nods at rooks and kings*)
WeÆre assaulting a fixed position in space opposing odds of 5 to 1 against while you fear to assault our towers with less than 10-1 in your favour û does this really mean you consider our pilots 50 times as individually dangerous than yours?
You have to appreciate we take that as a massive compliment to our capability and resolve that you feel obliged to perform the largest CTA in your history to come against our space-infrastructure Bacchanlian. This little skirmish against Moira has become quite a test of wills and endurance and it is good that weÆve finally found a way to fight!
On the last of your points, sure you have recruited many pilots that the Star Fraction defeated. But donÆt be too sure that the conversion is going entirely one way. As a Free Captain of the Star Fraction you were a courageous and daring pilot Bacchanalian, we fought side by side against the odds and overcame the big-battalions of imperialism to win heroic victories that set the cluster afire with imagination and recognition of our cheeky joie de vivre.
But how long has it been since you triumphed as the underdog? As the long-shot? As the embattled guerrilla fighting tyranny?
I wonder if the many defeated pilots of the Kimotoro Directive and their ilk have brought into your organization more than mere memory of the ôWassenar Manoeuvreö and have perchance infected your thinking with the same memetic rot that afflicts most large organizations in New Eden today?
In the last few weeks of our fighting I have never seen a solitary act of courageous daring from a Rote Kapelle pilot in these hostilities and it saddens me in truth. How different from the Kimotoro War where we fought outnumbered more often than not and still triumphed by virtue of our camaraderie and skill and our belief in the cause.
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Misha M'Liena
Amarr 21st Eridani Lighthorse Eves Misguided Children
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:56:00 -
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Congrats on 8 years Fraction. May you have 8 more years aggravating the rest of Eve.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis Either way brings back a question to the present times; these current wars you are fighting against one another now, what is that exactly for? To see which organization should carry the title of true holders of the anarchist banner, or something else? I'm interested to read a few different versions regarding this new war.
From our perspective the matter is extremely simple.
1. Star Fraction combat ships were engaged by Moira Corporation vessels and as a result Moira corporation were set -10 KOS.
2. Moira Corporation continued to interfere with Star Fraction patrols and actions in and around the Ostingele/Pelille/Agoze triangle and eventually "ordered" Fraction vessels out of Pelille in an attempt to assert their apparent "ownership" of the system.
3. In response Star Fraction wardecced Moira to oppose their claims and assert our freedom to operate precisely where we pleased.
4. Moira CEO Julianus Soter issued a public statement where he concluded "Moira. Corporation is investigating offensive operations to deal with Star Fraction's operations in the Placid Region. Their destabilizing activities, while once a minor annoyance to the region's inhabitants, can no longer be tolerated."
5. Subsequent to this statement Veto and Rote Kapelle vessels were sighted in Pelille starsystem where both entities played a defensive role in protecting the Moira HQ starbase from Star Fraction assault.
6. Moira CEO attempted to use Veto CEO "Verone" as an intermediary to offer peace terms (which were rejected by the Free Captains in formal vote) consequence of this being Verone declaring SF had "forced his hand".
7. Rote Kapelle/Veto capital/supercapital fleet lay siege to Star Fraction staging towers in Ostingele/Pelille systems.
8. Star Fraction repair the towers without loss.
9. This current war of words / stalemate whatever.
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Going forwards, from the Star Fraction perspective our enemy is Moira Corporation who continue to assert their rights over Pelille system and have yet to propose a suitable selection of ceasefire/surrender terms to provide to the Free Captains.
In terms of war-aims - the Fraction aim is quite simple - to assert our freedom to operate in Placid and maintain our presence/patrol capacity against the threats of enclosurists and their NBSI sponsors. We are prepared to maintain the wardec against Moira corporation for as long as we choose to operate in the region or until they decide to revise their engagement strategies and claims.
In terms of win/loss in space - The Fraction is down a billion isk in ship losses caused mainly by Moira "bnc'ing" on Rooks and Kings / Veto / Rote strikes but up against Moira with more than 2-1 kills inflicted.
Although in a skirmish of this kind such figures are hardly relevant as best described by one Silas Vitalia in another thread - "its about who is imposing their will on the other in space" and at this time its clear that Moira corporation is largely unable to act at all in those times it is not supported by the full force of Rote/Veto deployment.
In a way you could look for parallels in the SF campaign history with Moira playing the role of the judas-goat in this conflict staked out and targeted by SF activity and occassionally drawing the support of their "big brothers" in Rote/Veto (similar relationship once enjoyed by PIE/CVA). But I think thats the wrong way to look at this. And speaking from the Fraction perspective we did not wardec Moira to draw out Rote/Veto on this occassion but accept if those entities decide its in their operational interests to prop up a Gallente Nationalist enclosurist corp in Placid (that Verone does apparently own shares in) its entirely their choice to do so.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 02/06/2011 14:19:19 I was originally intending to leave this well alone, it being a celebration thread for you people and all of that. I may have my opinions, but I was going to let them rest for now. But seeing as I was namedropped I do have to set the record straight:
Originally by: Jade Constantine One has only to read the mournful lonely rambling of Tatsuo Nuko earlier in this thread to see the degree to which she yearns for something more than the company of hollow-eyed killers chanting clichTd paeans
...my dear Jade Constantine, that right there is a most amusing reading of my position and my comments, and requires a comment or two.
First of all, you do need to realize that I was stringing you along quite a bit earlier. I made a short and to-the-point comment to one of your pilots, and you saw fit to make extensive commentary on it including some rather amusing character assasinations and collective judgements that are not befitting anyone that purports to believe in individualism. Since I was bored at the time (due to reasons I cannot comment on) I decided to have fun for a bit. The fact that you read it as "mournful lonely rambling" and that I "yearn for something more" is... priceless.
So let me categorically state the following:
1 - The intellectual debate in Stimulus and the wider Rote Kapelle of which I take a part are as qualitative as any I saw during my long stay in Jericho Fraction and Star Fraction. In many respects even more qualitative.
2 - My statement that you should not judge my opinions, ideology, philosophy or motivations based on random smacktalk observed by random people who are not me, stands. As far as I have seen you (personally) give as good as you take in that department anyhow (though with more verbosity, but smack is smack no matter which words on choses).
3 - Your strategic analysis is the funniest part of this thread.
So, there. You are now free to continue your lonely trip through fantasy land.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko I was originally intending to leave this well alone ...
Ah Tatsue, I think we both know it is never so easy to walk away.
Quote: First of all, you do need to realize that I was stringing you along quite a bit earlier.
"I was just trolling" : we do hear that a lot.
As for your lauding of the "qualitative intellectual debate" in Stimulus and Rote Kapelle, well, perhaps inside your organization it is all "brain trusts" and "study groups" but really who can tell? An organization is judged by its public image and I think we can agree that your's is best exemplified for by fairly mindless local smack-talk and a killboard culture that considers posting images of a cartoon frog's netherparts is the veritable summit of wit.
I am glad you recognize that my interactions with your corp mates in local do generally leave them sweeping up the tattered remnents of their egos from the floor though Tatsue. I'm sure you remember how psychological warfare can be done correctly without recourse to ascii genetalia and lowbrow spurts of homophobic extremism.
So by all means continue to quote my words Tatsue. I don't begrudge them to you. A toast to better days!
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 02/06/2011 15:03:17 In case you haven't noticed, we are not so greatly concerned about our "public image". As you are well aware we kill, steal and con to our heart's delight (I'm still very happy about your compliments on that area - thankyou again!) - worrying about a "public image" is sort of pointless. People will either understand, or they won't.
Your analysis of your interactions with my comrades is, however, severely lacking. I assure you that the egos of my comrades remain well inflated, rivalled only by your own. The key is: they don't take it seriously. Thus your verbose exchanges with them in local cannot hurt them, because in RK the ego is fed through action and demonstrated capability - not through attempting the role of a wordsmith. The fact that you appear to link said exchanges in local with the participants' egos is, however, quite telling. Don't take it so seriously dear, because it isn't serious. Ammunition and warheads is serious. Words are not.
I do have other comments I could give in the ideological debate, but this is not the place (perhaps another thread specific to the subject?) - this is to celebrate your achievement in staying alive as an entity for this long, which does deserve some congratulations. Well done.
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Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 02/06/2011 15:03:17
Thus your verbose exchanges with them in local cannot hurt them, because in RK the ego is fed through action and demonstrated capability - not through attempting the role of a wordsmith.
Ego being fed solely by demonstrating dominance? Such is strikingly similar to the scent wars of wild, savage animals.
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Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko In case you haven't noticed, we are not so greatly concerned about our "public image". As you are well aware we kill, steal and con to our heart's delight ...
Indeed and as I noted it has more to do with concern about other people's "public image" which has the impact of placing Rote Kapelle always in the context of jealousy and yearning for other people's accomplishments. Being concerned with doing down others rather than celebrating one's own attributes always looks a little shonky and bitter at the end of the day.
And on the your defense of your comrade's egos, well you would say that ... wouldn't you? Still the evidence of various flair-ups, emo-fountains and frustrated foot-stamping aside would seem to put the lie to your claims here. Indeed? Why are you still here if you genuinely "don't care"?
Quote: I do have other comments I could give in the ideological debate, but this is not the place (perhaps another thread specific to the subject?)
Feel free to post one.
Quote: - this is to celebrate your achievement in staying alive as an entity for this long, which does deserve some congratulations. Well done.
Thank you.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
It is easy to make airy accusations (just like the Amarrian Nationalist do) it is far harder to back up those accusations with fact. Especially when I believe I can say with confidence that the Star Fraction is one of the few organizations in New Eden that has ever admitted to a campaign failure. This fact alone gives credibility and authority to our successful results.
I was there while you would muse at length about how you would spin things on IGS after a less than successful week. It is not an accusation.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Edited by: Nemesor on 02/06/2011 15:42:18
Originally by: Jade Constantine From our perspective the matter is extremely simple.
Watches Jade unroll a length of paper that easily reaches the floor.
I do not think that word means what you think it means, Jade. [img http://www.damordred.com/stimulus/nem_sig.jpg[/img]
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
@Bacchanalian (this will be long and involved)
You don't say... ___
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Propaganda Due
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Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Either way brings back a question to the present times; these current wars you are fighting against one another now, what is that exactly for? To see which organization should carry the title of true holders of the anarchist banner, or something else?
I'm interested to read a few different versions regarding this new war.
SF moved into our backyard. They put us up on their campaign propaganda as a target. We obliged them by shooting them, as they presented us with the opportunity on multiple occasions. Simple as that.
Originally by: Jade Constantine From our perspective the matter is extremely simple. ......
Esclating wars tend to be very interesting, Thank you both for the briefing, I'll observe the situation a bit closer now that business has brought me to your home too. I predict some profitable times ahead.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:50:00 -
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Congratulations to the current and past pilots of Jericho Fraction. It's been an interesting eight years, and I'm sure the future will continue to be equally interesting.
"You've got a friend in the Cartel"
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Nemesor I was there while you would muse at length about how you would spin things on IGS after a less than successful week. It is not an accusation.
And you were not there when we fought the Amarrian bloc during Terminus-Est in Providence having fled our company long before Nemesor. But I think we can certainly agree that your witness account is hardly impartial given the many and various bitter statements you have made on this thread. And its hardly fitting for you to complain about "spinning" when isn't that all you have been trying yourself these past days?
I doubt even you would claim the role of objective and impartial commentator.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Congratulations to the current and past pilots of Jericho Fraction. It's been an interesting eight years, and I'm sure the future will continue to be equally interesting.
Thank you Shintoko. It means a lot to receive such words from one of the original Free Captains and cruise-missile frigate heroes of our history.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine But I think we can certainly agree that your witness account is hardly impartial given the many and various bitter statements you have made on this thread.
There is no such thing as an impartial witness in this matter. The only "impartial" witnesses are those with no vested interest either way, and none of them have access to the facts and are thus completely useless.
Originally by: Jade Constantine And its hardly fitting for you to complain about "spinning" when isn't that all you have been trying yourself these past days?
Is this a singular or plural "you"? Because in my personal opinion Nemesor has, in this discussion, been the blunt instrument we all love him to be. (A few soft sentimental expressions aside.)
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I doubt even you would claim the role of objective and impartial commentator.
There is not a person in this thread that can claim that role.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Tatsue Nuko There is no such thing as an impartial witness in this matter. The only "impartial" witnesses are those with no vested interest either way, and none of them have access to the facts and are thus completely useless ... There is not a person in this thread that can claim that role.
You seem to have made an entire post agreeing with me, I think you must be slipping
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
You seem to have made an entire post agreeing with me, I think you must be slipping
Quite likely, I shall attempt to mend my ways, dear.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:12:00 -
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Apologies that I missed this quote yesterday in all the drama but I have ask:
Originally by: Verone I don't think there's a bed in the cluster that could support a man who's 8 feet tall, plus her immense ego.
Are you really eight feet tall Verone?
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Are you really eight feet tall Verone?
I would personally have asked which part of him, but well... That's just me.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:16:00 -
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Just seems a bit of an outlandish height for a capsuleer is all ...
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Osip Volya
Girochin Sha
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Just seems a bit of an outlandish height for a capsuleer is all ...
I guess some of it is in the mohawk and the cuban heels...
...though that begs a question about why the cuban heels would be worn in bed.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:39:00 -
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Ethan's ... large, yes. I'm not privy to the details, but I'd guess that it's either a case of untreated gigantism or an intentional modification.
In this age of standardized clones repatterned with the client's DNA, I'm almost sure it's the latter in the case of all his bodies but "Ethan Prime," as it were.
Presumably there's also heart reinforcement involved somewhere. Being that size apparently isn't very good for your circulatory system.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/06/2011 18:44:50
I've heard of more absurd things in my time ... but still, reminds me of a song I used to like to sing:
*smiles into the camera drone and strikes a pose with lips pursed and eyes full of laughter at the absurdity of the image in the minds eyes before snapping her fingers and filling the somewhat ramshackle environment of her Hound's flight deck with a jaunty latin rhythymic beat*
I once met a man with a sense of adventure He was dressed to thrill wherever he went He said "Let's make love on a mountain top Under the stars on a big hard rock" I said "In these shoes? I don't think so" I said "Honey, let's do it here."
So I'm sitting at a bar in Guadalajara In walks a guy with a faraway look in his eyes He said "I've got a powerful horse outside Climb on the back, I'll take you for a ride I know a little place, we can get there for the break of day." I said "In these shoes? No way, Jose" I said "Honey, let's stay right here."
No le gusta caminar. No puede montar a caballo Como se puede bailar? Es un escandolo!
Then I met an Englishman "Oh" he said "Won't you walk up and down my spine, It makes me feel strangely alive." I said "In these shoes? I doubt you'd survive." I said "Honey, let's do it. Let's stay right here."
No le gusta caminar. No puede montar a caballo Como se puede bailar? Es un escandolo!
"in these shoes ... I doubt you'd survive!"
*winks*
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Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.02 18:50:00 -
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Gallente Veto Corp
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Originally by: Jade Constantine 6. Moira CEO attempted to use Veto CEO "Verone" as an intermediary to offer peace terms (which were rejected by the Free Captains in formal vote) consequence of this being Verone declaring SF had "forced his hand".
Correction :
6. Moira CEO attempted to use Veto CEO "Verone" as an intermediary to offer peace terms (which were rejected by the Free Captains in formal vote). Veto Corp would have been happy to walk away at this point, however Constantine then decided to brand us Moira sympathisers and add us to their campaign, effectively dragging us into this war. The consequence of this was that SF forced us to become involved through their own actions.
Originally by: Jade Constantine But I think thats the wrong way to look at this. And speaking from the Fraction perspective we did not wardec Moira to draw out Rote/Veto on this occassion but accept if those entities decide its in their operational interests to prop up a Gallente Nationalist enclosurist corp in Placid (that Verone does apparently own shares in) its entirely their choice to do so.
Correct, I own shares in Moira that were sold to me by a Federal nationalist. I own shares in many corporations, that fight many wars. I happen to own shares in several State loyalist Corporations too. I fail to see how I can be both a State and Federation loyalist at the same time for doing so.
You just happened to be in the right place at the right time to be shot at, since we've been working alongside Rote Kapelle and you moved into their sphere of operation, which subsequently became ours.
As for the whole situation, there's a direct and simple way to resolve it :
> The Star Fraction Executor removes us from their campaign statistics. (In which they currently have 7.51% combat efficiency directly against us.)
> The Star Fraction issues a full formal apology on the IGS, written by its Executor, recognising the incorrect and complete baseless fallacy of the allegations made against us, and apologising for wrongly implicating us as Gallente Nationalist sympathisers.
> The Star Fraction's Executor, or a diplomatic contact then contacts the Veto Corp executor to confirm the above two terms have been met.
In return, Veto Corp ceases and desists in any direct action against The Star Fraction unless further allegations and insinuations are made against our organisation and operations.
Simple.
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Amarr
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Congratulations on your eight years of achievement. May your beacon of light shine bright for those that are in your need.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Apologies that I missed this quote yesterday in all the drama but I have ask:
Originally by: Verone I don't think there's a bed in the cluster that could support a man who's 8 feet tall, plus her immense ego.
Are you really eight feet tall Verone?
Yes, it's a long story.
Well, 7'11". I rounded up.
It can be quite a curse, but on the other hand a blessing
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Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Apologies that I missed this quote yesterday in all the drama but I have ask:
Originally by: Verone I don't think there's a bed in the cluster that could support a man who's 8 feet tall, plus her immense ego.
Are you really eight feet tall Verone?
Yes, it's a long story.
Well, 7'11". I rounded up.
It can be quite a curse, but on the other hand a blessing
I'd imagine you bump your head on your pod alot.. amongst other things.
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Gallente Veto Corp
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Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Apologies that I missed this quote yesterday in all the drama but I have ask:
Originally by: Verone I don't think there's a bed in the cluster that could support a man who's 8 feet tall, plus her immense ego.
Are you really eight feet tall Verone?
Yes, it's a long story.
Well, 7'11". I rounded up.
It can be quite a curse, but on the other hand a blessing
I'd imagine you bump your head on your pod alot.. amongst other things.
Well, the capsule is quite snug, although extended deployments have caused several days of back pain after decanting. Haven't had that since my Navy days though. It's a lot easier to stretch my legs now.
As for bumping my head, I think my fiancTe will attest to how many times I've emerged from a doorway rubbing my head and either smirking with amusement or looking sheepish.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/06/2011 19:23:40
Originally by: Verone As for the whole situation, there's a direct and simple way to resolve it : > The Star Fraction Executor removes us from their campaign statistics. (In which they currently have 7.51% combat efficiency directly against us.) > The Star Fraction issues a full formal apology on the IGS, written by its Executor, recognising the incorrect and complete baseless fallacy of the allegations made against us, and apologising for wrongly implicating us as Gallente Nationalist sympathisers. > The Star Fraction's Executor, or a diplomatic contact then contacts the Veto Corp executor to confirm the above two terms have been met.
In return, Veto Corp ceases and desists in any direct action against The Star Fraction unless further allegations and insinuations are made against our organisation and operations.
Simple.
You know what Verone. If you were prepared to pledge full future neutrality in the conflict between Star Fraction and Moira and pledge that your forces would play no role whatsoever in engagements between SF and Moira vessels - including Tower warfare, skirmish and larger fights. That might be something that I could take to the Free Captains and see what they say in a formal vote.
I have absolutely no personal problem in salving your hurt feelings with an apology for branding you supporters of Gallente Nationalism if you are prepared to enter into an agreement that specifically precludes you from offering support to the Gallente Nationalists in question.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/06/2011 19:23:40
Originally by: Verone As for the whole situation, there's a direct and simple way to resolve it : > The Star Fraction Executor removes us from their campaign statistics. (In which they currently have 7.51% combat efficiency directly against us.) > The Star Fraction issues a full formal apology on the IGS, written by its Executor, recognising the incorrect and complete baseless fallacy of the allegations made against us, and apologising for wrongly implicating us as Gallente Nationalist sympathisers. > The Star Fraction's Executor, or a diplomatic contact then contacts the Veto Corp executor to confirm the above two terms have been met.
In return, Veto Corp ceases and desists in any direct action against The Star Fraction unless further allegations and insinuations are made against our organisation and operations.
Simple.
You know what Verone. If you were prepared to pledge full future neutrality in the conflict between Star Fraction and Moira and pledge that your forces would play no role whatsoever in engagements between SF and Moira vessels - including Tower warfare, skirmish and larger fights. That might be something that I could take to the Free Captains and see what they say in a formal vote.
I have absolutely no personal problem in salving your hurt feelings with an apology for branding you supporters of Gallente Nationalism if you are prepared to enter into an agreement that specifically precludes you from offering support to the Gallente Nationalists in question.
It's less about hurt feelings and more about the fact that I and my corporation have no association with the Gallente Federation.
In fact, we have a solid track record of action AGAINST the Federation, including being the primary force involved in The Kassigainen Incident.
You'd still need to be fully aware that we're NBSI, and when flying alongside Rote Kapelle, we would still be perfectly capable of taking targets of opportunity.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Verone It's less about hurt feelings and more about the fact that I and my corporation have no association with the Gallente Federation. In fact, we have a solid track record of action AGAINST the Federation, including being the primary force involved in The Kassigainen Incident.
Well if you wish to underline your opposition to the Gallente Federation and their capsuleer auxilaries then I invite you to make the offer of neutrality in this dispute I suggested.
Quote: You'd still need to be fully aware that we're NBSI, and when flying alongside Rote Kapelle, we would still be perfectly capable of taking targets of opportunity.
To be taken seriously as a proposal you'd need to be offering us something - and full neutrality in the conflict between Star Fraction and Moira would need to be understood. This would neccessarily preclude your pilots from combat in the vicinity of Moira defense towers or involvement on one side or the other of space engagements between SF and Moira vessels. Without this term and surety any such agreement would be worthless from our perspective because what would stop you simply "accidently" hot-dropping or otherwise arriving on the Moira tower while we were in the process of attacking it?
Your motivation for doing this is not really that relevant. What is relevant is the impact in space and since this whole farrago began with Veto/Rote ships relieving the siege of the Moira tower it would seem reasonable to rule out future occurances of this kind in exchange for the public recognition of distance you seek.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone It's less about hurt feelings and more about the fact that I and my corporation have no association with the Gallente Federation. In fact, we have a solid track record of action AGAINST the Federation, including being the primary force involved in The Kassigainen Incident.
Well if you wish to underline your opposition to the Gallente Federation and their capsuleer auxilaries then I invite you to make the offer of neutrality in this dispute I suggested.
I don't need to underline my position.
It's been apparent since I was discharged from the Navy and walked away from the Federation. Even moreso since the Kassigainen incident.
Originally by: Jade Constantine To be taken seriously as a proposal you'd need to be offering us something - and full neutrality in the conflict between Star Fraction and Moira would need to be understood. This would neccessarily preclude your pilots from combat in the vicinity of Moira defense towers or involvement on one side or the other of space engagements between SF and Moira vessels. Without this term and surety any such agreement would be worthless from our perspective because what would stop you simply "accidently" hot-dropping or otherwise arriving on the Moira tower while we were in the process of attacking it?
Your motivation for doing this is not really that relevant. What is relevant is the impact in space and since this whole farrago began with Veto/Rote ships relieving the siege of the Moira tower it would seem reasonable to rule out future occurances of this kind in exchange for the public recognition of distance you seek.
There's a flip side to that coin. What's to stop SF vessels simply congregating around Moira assets and using the area of exclusion as a safe zone if we're ever in pursuit of them?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Verone There's a flip side to that coin. What's to stop SF vessels simply congregating around Moira assets and using the area of exclusion as a safe zone if we're ever in pursuit of them?
Well we have our own defense towers you know. If we need safe-zone's against Veto vessels surely our own fully-armed and operation staging towers are a better place to use than an enemy position bristling with unfriendly weaponry.
All we need to hear from you is that you will stop interfering in our military actions against Moira (which we consider to be an entirely justified response to their aggression against our vessels) and stand neutral in the specific instance of SF fighting Moira ships in space.
There is scant possibility (or need) that we'd somehow hide behind a shield of Moira against your random patrols. Details can be thrashed out and would likely involve an exclusion-zone around the Moira starbases to ensure non-interference pacts were agreed - but on those terms I believe I could take a proposal to the council of free captains and expect a positive result.
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Verone
Gallente Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:03:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Verone There's a flip side to that coin. What's to stop SF vessels simply congregating around Moira assets and using the area of exclusion as a safe zone if we're ever in pursuit of them?
Well we have our own defense towers you know. If we need safe-zone's against Veto vessels surely our own fully-armed and operation staging towers are a better place to use than an enemy position bristling with unfriendly weaponry.
All we need to hear from you is that you will stop interfering in our military actions against Moira (which we consider to be an entirely justified response to their aggression against our vessels) and stand neutral in the specific instance of SF fighting Moira ships in space.
There is scant possibility (or need) that we'd somehow hide behind a shield of Moira against your random patrols. Details can be thrashed out and would likely involve an exclusion-zone around the Moira starbases to ensure non-interference pacts were agreed - but on those terms I believe I could take a proposal to the council of free captains and expect a positive result.
I'll give it some idle thought when I'm not involved with more pressing matters.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.02 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 02/06/2011 20:10:42
To catch up on some toasts and best wishes!
Originally by: Mammal Tafren All petty squabbling aside, Eight years as a capsuleer constant is no mean feat. Congratulations, Star Fraction.
Thank you monsieur Tafren, and respects in turn to your comrades and crews. We have been seeing something of each other in space these last weeks and I'm hopeful these good beginnings can flourish into an enduring and profitable friendship to come.
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Darveses
printcraft
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Posted - 2011.06.02 22:50:00 -
[164]
Cheers mates - rock on!
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Jesmine Kyriel
Amarr House Kyriel Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.02 23:15:00 -
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Eight years is an achievement, regardless by whom.
I won't make any further comment for civility's sake.
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Tyzzara
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.02 23:23:00 -
[166]
/me salutes
*For all the past, present and especially future balls of fire that once were hulls intact passing through space... I salute you.
Congratulations! 8 years is a long time. There is no history like real history.
Now... let's go make some more.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Proxay If only your actions/stratagem carried as much thought as your words. Paper tigers, cloaked in space.
Many great things have been achieved through cloak and cunning Proxay. If fighting against a foe who outnumbers you significantly then the ability to chose your time and place and action is very important. But really, this talk of "paper tigers" is rather premptive is it not? After all, we have achieved in the past weeks more disruption of Moira operations with 15-20 pilots in direct tower attacks than you achieved with 100 against ours. Surely the "paper tiger" is the outfit that roars loudly on the forums and then fails to make the impact it desires in space?
The context of our current war is that Moira Corporation CEO swore to drive Star Fraction from Placid and spoke of employing additional resources and strategies to achieve that. Thus far it is Moira who has suffered from this attempt while the Fraction continues our operations in the region.
One might say the "paper tiger" in this matter is the entity that promised "terrible consequences" if the Free Captains rejected Moira's surrender offer and arrived to roar its fury with 100billion isk worth of supercapitals/dreadnaughts to reinforce an outpost tower only to skip out on the reinforcement battle?
Objectively speaking surely you accept that is how it looks to a neutral bystander Proxay?
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Joseph Sulaco
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:23:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Jade Constantine to reinforce an outpost tower only to skip out on the reinforcement battle?
So they shot your tower, let it go reinforced, then didn't show up a day later? Let me guess, you had your whole alliance ready to defend it as well? Sounds like a successful "RoteVeto" operation from what I have heard of this crew.
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:09:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Jade Constantine ...to reinforce an outpost tower only to skip out on the reinforcement battle?
(( You mean the reinforcement battle that would have been forced to happen in the middle of an extended patch deployment downtime? I call foul, two minutes in the IC/OOC divide penalty box for you! )) ___
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:17:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/06/2011 11:32:02
If fighting against a foe who outnumbers you significantly then the ability to chose your time and place and action is very important.
Ah, I see you have read Sun Tzu's Art of War
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:51:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Joseph Sulaco So they shot your tower, let it go reinforced, then didn't show up a day later? Let me guess, you had your whole alliance ready to defend it as well? Sounds like a successful "RoteVeto" operation from what I have heard of this crew.
Well Monsieur Sulaco, since our "entire alliance" is about 1/5th the size of the multiple alliance group that reinforced the towers and our total exposure in repair was probably 2billion isk total - one does wonder at the motivation of putting 100billion+ at hazard in the first place. Successful? Well in terms of a "paper-tiger" threatening what it cannot deliver perhaps.
Maybe next time it will be more serious.
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Tetsu Nakahama
Girochin Sha
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:55:00 -
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On behalf of the Girochin Sha, I wish to extend formal congratulations on reaching this milestone from a very young organization to one that is venerable by the standards of independent capsuleers. We are inspired by your example.
I would also like to take this opportunity to place on record the Girochin Sha's decision to consider the Star Fraction as kindred spirits and political allies in the cause of freedom.
Such transparency is important for our words to be clearly understood by all.
Tetsu Nakahama Tokin, Girochin Sha
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Biife Stuhe
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 18:48:00 -
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I join my fellow Free Captains in celebration of our legacy. I am proud to fly with you all.
May the next eight years be as extraordinary as the first.
Fly Free.
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RuriHoshino
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 18:57:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Joseph Sulaco
Originally by: Jade Constantine to reinforce an outpost tower only to skip out on the reinforcement battle?
So they shot your tower, let it go reinforced, then didn't show up a day later? Let me guess, you had your whole alliance ready to defend it as well? Sounds like a successful "RoteVeto" operation from what I have heard of this crew.
An unexpectedly long period of broad instability in the spacetime continuum of the universe prevented our pilots from boarding their ships during the time the tower came out of reinforcement. I'm told this affected all the capsuleers of New Eden in a similar manner, which is slightly comforting, but it's still hard not to feel cheated when such an unpredictable event renders all your planning moot.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/06/2011 19:39:01
Originally by: RuriHoshino
Originally by: Joseph Sulaco
Originally by: Jade Constantine to reinforce an outpost tower only to skip out on the reinforcement battle?
So they shot your tower, let it go reinforced, then didn't show up a day later? Let me guess, you had your whole alliance ready to defend it as well? Sounds like a successful "RoteVeto" operation from what I have heard of this crew.
An unexpectedly long period of broad instability in the spacetime continuum of the universe prevented our pilots from boarding their ships during the time the tower came out of reinforcement. I'm told this affected all the capsuleers of New Eden in a similar manner, which is slightly comforting, but it's still hard not to feel cheated when such an unpredictable event renders all your planning moot.
Ironically this "broad instability in the spacetime continuum" (as you term it) had a similar impact on Cassini Division tower in Pelille causing it's shield status to remain at precisely 25% for around nine hours straight - forcing an emergency Fraction repping party of 20 shield logistics vessels to boost the shielding above 50% to replace the strontium supplies during a quite significant window of opportunity for continued Rote/Veto assault.
Consequently I don't believe it was your planning that was moot - rather your will to finish the job under less than optimum (ie 10 to 1 odds) circumstances.
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Axen Vormar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 20:13:00 -
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Here's to another 8 years with my favourite bunch.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Consequently I don't believe it was your planning that was moot - rather your will to finish the job under less than optimum (ie 10 to 1 odds) circumstances.
The longer you bray, Jade.... the more you sound like Gorion Wassenar of TKI vintage.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Consequently I don't believe it was your planning that was moot - rather your will to finish the job under less than optimum (ie 10 to 1 odds) circumstances.
The longer you bray, Jade.... the more you sound like Gorion Wassenar of TKI vintage.
Judging from your toothless forum whinging I thought you were auditioning for the role of Nikolai Nuvolari ...
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:09:00 -
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toothless forum whinging...
I do not believe I have whinged once. Whether it be about being outnumbered, outgunned, picked on, insulted, slandered, fired upon without provocation, confused with Federal Loyalists, confused with State Loyalists, confused with Nihilists, confused with blood raiders or any other reason I can think of.
YOU my dear, have at one point or another have complained, whinged, cried, wailed, howled, bemoaned, cursed and whimpered at or about all of the above reasons at one time or another. In fact, I think that a goodly portion of the summit has to be dedicated to storing the sheer amount of bellyaching, you have disgorged over the years.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor I do not believe I have whinged once.
From start to finish in this thread you have done nothing but cry, complain, bellyache and make excuses for your inability to progress a feud that has come to dominate your every waking moment and fertile fever-dreams. And still you can't give it up. Really "Nemesor" the time for you to believe you can talk your enemies out of existence is long past. Bring the fight in space or simply go away you pathetic little man.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:27:00 -
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That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again... You are a spineless shadow of your former self. Your Ideology is a faded harlot whose former beauty cannot be restored no matter how much makeup you try to slather onto its now hideous features. Rather than embrace reality, you gather together those that carry portraits of your younger self whilst holding lit candles like some sort of third rate planetary dictator. So you stay in the Empire you claim to despise with the rest of the sheep, you flapping lipped hag.
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor
That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...
You leave yourself far too open. I suppose Ms. Constantine would call what I am referring to as your 'footstamping'.
This thread is to celebrate their success for 8 years as a corporation. It has absolutely nothing to do with you.
Shoo fly.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Nemesor
That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...
You leave yourself far too open. I suppose Ms. Constantine would call what I am referring to as your 'footstamping'.
This thread is to celebrate their success for 8 years as a corporation. It has absolutely nothing to do with you.
Shoo fly.
Nemesor spent more time in Star Fraction than you've spent in a pod.
The mere fact that unlike you, he's not a sock puppet for Jade does not take away the fact that his views are as valid as any others'. But perhaps you, like many in this thread, have forgotten that opinions and views that diverge from those rubber-stamped by Jade are valid. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Nemesor
That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...
You leave yourself far too open. I suppose Ms. Constantine would call what I am referring to as your 'footstamping'.
This thread is to celebrate their success for 8 years as a corporation. It has absolutely nothing to do with you.
Shoo fly.
Nemesor spent more time in Star Fraction than you've spent in a pod.
The mere fact that unlike you, he's not a sock puppet for Jade does not take away the fact that his views are as valid as any others'. But perhaps you, like many in this thread, have forgotten that opinions and views that diverge from those rubber-stamped by Jade are valid.
A sock puppet? I have no affiliation with Jade Constantine, outside of this forum. Do you see a 'Star Fraction' below my name? And you aren't exactly the unbiased party either, Mr. Rote Kapelle..
I suggest you don't take pot shots at a bystander, you dolt.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Galente
A sock puppet? I have no affiliation with Jade Constantine, outside of this forum. Do you see a 'Star Fraction' below my name? And you aren't exactly the unbiased party either, Mr. Rote Kapelle..
I suggest you don't take pot shots at a bystander, you dolt.
Yes, only those in Star Fraction are under their influence. Clearly. Ask Jade about my agents sometime. She's convinced they're everywhere. At one point she went so far as to accuse members of Electus Matari of being my agents.
And I'd offer you the same advice about pot shots--especially when you still need someone to wipe your runny nose and change your diapers for you. You've been in space less than two weeks now, congrats!
Why don't you run along and let the adults speak. Children should be seen and not heard. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Jason Galente
A sock puppet? I have no affiliation with Jade Constantine, outside of this forum. Do you see a 'Star Fraction' below my name? And you aren't exactly the unbiased party either, Mr. Rote Kapelle..
I suggest you don't take pot shots at a bystander, you dolt.
Yes, only those in Star Fraction are under their influence. Clearly. Ask Jade about my agents sometime. She's convinced they're everywhere. At one point she went so far as to accuse members of Electus Matari of being my agents.
And I'd offer you the same advice about pot shots--especially when you still need someone to wipe your runny nose and change your diapers for you. You've been in space less than two weeks now, congrats!
Why don't you run along and let the adults speak. Children should be seen and not heard.
Rather sir, I believe you are the child for believing intelligence is actually linked to skill points. (bordering OOC here). Do not judge a book by its cover. I may not have much experience in EVE yet, but I have plenty of experience with people like you.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor That hit near to the heart did it? Well... since you have decided to resort to personal attacks again...
I hardly have need "Nemesor" ... the dynamic here is quite straightforward.
In the ordinary state of affairs I am entirely content to ignore your existence as largely meaningless. In the times you keep to yourself and manage to avoid embarrassing yourself on our anniversary threads its as if you simply don't exist at all.
But for you its fairly plain the very existence of Star Fraction is some kind of a goad to your ego that drives you near wild with fury and frustration the moment we speak in public!
The best thing for your sanity would probably be to move on and learn to ignore us as we've learned to ignore you. But if that really isn't the answer for you "Nemesor" then you will need to find a way to end your feud in space because this constant gnawing at the wounds to your psyche via public disintegration on our threads is not doing anything for your mental state whatsoever.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:09:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
The best thing for your sanity would probably be to move on and learn to ignore us as we've learned to ignore you.
You're doing a remarkably poor job of this at the moment Jade. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian You're doing a remarkably poor job of this at the moment Jade.
On the contrary Bacchanalian. When you see me publicly melting down on your anniversary thread you can claim to have a point. Until then it is quite apparent for anyone outside your group that your pilots are getting rather frustrated and losing control of their emotions.
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Nemesor
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:15:00 -
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Nemesor begins to laugh uncontrollably on comms then disconnects.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Bacchanalian You're doing a remarkably poor job of this at the moment Jade.
On the contrary Bacchanalian. When you see me publicly melting down on your anniversary thread you can claim to have a point. Until then it is quite apparent for anyone outside your group that your pilots are getting rather frustrated and losing control of their emotions.
Darling, part of not giving a **** about our public image is not starting public circle-jerks to celebrate our existence as though merely existing somehow equated a victory. You'll find that difference listed as one of the original reasons we left your organization--we were tired of spending more time bloviating on forums than discharging ammunition in space. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesor
then disconnects.
Finally.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bacchanalian we were tired of spending more time bloviating on forums than discharging ammunition in space.
Ironic since thats precisely what you are spending all your time doing currently then isn't it
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Bacchanalian we were tired of spending more time bloviating on forums than discharging ammunition in space.
Ironic since thats precisely what you are spending all your time doing currently then isn't it
I'll save you the disgrace of comparing kills in space over the last week. Let those who care to draw their own conclusions. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Originally by: Bacchanalian
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Bacchanalian we were tired of spending more time bloviating on forums than discharging ammunition in space.
Ironic since thats precisely what you are spending all your time doing currently then isn't it
I'll save you the disgrace of comparing kills in space over the last week. Let those who care to draw their own conclusions.
I was going to post something but.. I think I'll let Ms. Constantine take this one.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Bacchanalian I'll save you the disgrace of comparing kills in space over the last week. Let those who care to draw their own conclusions.
Was this thread inadvertantly retitled the "NBSI numpties against random targets genetalia-measuring database" when I wasn't looking?
Seriously Bacchanalian. Nobody really cares how effective you are at culling nobodies in syndicate. Especially not in the context of your apparent jealously and enduring rage at Star Fraction that should be better measured in your performance against our Starbases with your mighty capital fleet.
You left because you wanted to shoot random neutrals rather than fighting targeted campaigns remember?
It is quite pointless to claim superiority over us because you are better at doing something we decided (long ago) was simply a regressive fallback to the enclosurist tyranny of corrupt imperialism.
That makes as little sense as the nonsensical ramblings of your alliance mates!
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Cheiftan
Minmatar Shinryaku Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:40:00 -
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Happy anniversary -SF-
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:43:00 -
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Cheers Chief.
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
It is quite pointless to claim superiority over us because you are better at doing something we decided (long ago) was simply a regressive fallback to the enclosurist tyranny of corrupt imperialism.
Ms. Constantine, while I agree with you regarding Bacchanalian's irrelevance in this forum, last time I checked the empires didn't shoot random neutrals. If I misinterpreted what you were saying, I apologize.
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
You left because you wanted to shoot random neutrals rather than fighting targeted campaigns remember?
Sorry to take so long to respond to you--I was busy in space making the ships of several pilots who shot at one of mine explode.
No, Jade, I do not remember leaving because I wanted to shoot random neutrals. In fact, I remember being NRDS for over a year after forming Stimulus. I've already laid out the reasons why I left earlier in this thread. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to figure out how to read them. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/06/2011 00:22:58
Originally by: Bacchanalian No, Jade, I do not remember leaving because I wanted to shoot random neutrals. In fact, I remember being NRDS for over a year after forming Stimulus. I've already laid out the reasons why I left earlier in this thread. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to figure out how to read them.
You meaning Stimulus as a collective of course. And in response to your somewhat inaccurate comments earlier in the thread I moved a couple of the votes/discussions from the time to public (if anyone is actually interested anymore). But lets not get distracted by amateur misdirection. You attempted to laud your K/D figures (as an NBSI kill-everything alliance) against an NRDS principled engagement alliance knowing full well since we don't shoot every capsule, hauler and neutral vessel in sight "just because" its a ridiculous comparison. Yes you are good at killing everything "bravo".
And again, if you had wanted to prove yourself in space against the Fraction you had an ideal chance this week by completing the assault on our staging towers in Pelille and Ostingele (in fact you still have that option if you wish to prove your capability to overcome our ability to maintain such structures in the future).
But don't think for a moment you can impress us by simply killing "lots of random people!" if that kind of thing was worthy of our respect we'd laud the smart-bombing pirates of Rancer kings of new eden!
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.04 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
But don't think for a moment you can impress us by simply killing "lots of random people!" if that kind of thing was worthy of our respect we'd laud the smart-bombing pirates of Rancer kings of new eden!
Mmm, somehow I doubt the Rancer folks (or Star Fraction, for that matter) would willingly engage outnumbered 3:1--as we did just a few hours ago.
I also sincerely doubt either would be capable of killing more than twice as many as they lose in such a situation. But then Star Fraction wouldn't fight TEST or Fatal Ascension--they're "random people," (despite being sov-holding entities that fellate the NC for the slightest chance at a scrap of recognition) unlike Moira, who are the most relevant and frightening fighting force this side of Providence. Well, besides the Ixion Defense folks. I don't suppose you ever did get CYI to formally surrender to you, did you? Or did you simply retroactively change that campaign goal a year down the road when you realized it would never come to fruition? Feel free to pass any messages you have for them on to me. I'll etch them into the rounds of EMP that I pump into their ships so they finally can hear the words of the great Jade Constantine and actually be forced to listen. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Congratulations... that was not as hard as I thought it would be.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.04 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 04/06/2011 09:38:01
@Bacchanalian
With regard to your celebrating an engagment that you lost on isk terms but won in raw ships destroyed.
IsnÆt that precisely what the Fraction is currently doing in fighting Moira/Rote Kapelle/Veto (organizations that collectively outnumber us 5-1+)? If one looks at the raw kill figures (as you have just quoted for your engagement) weÆre killing more than twice as many of you also!
(While also exercising our will in space which is causing Moira to flee further and further from their boasts of driving the Fraction from Placid I might add.) But it is rather a silly comment for you to make Bacchanalian. The Fraction is quite famous for fighting outnumbered and rather more successfully than you were back there.
Operation Annoyance Space and Freedom II Space and Freedom IV
This sequence of fights from the siege of Kamela/Bleaklands will demonstrate our point rather more stylishly than your dull statistics and banal killboard links will ever do.
So honestly I do wonder now what makes you feel you need to somehow prove the attributes of your own organization in our anniversary thread so desperately?
IÆm hardly going to discuss our standings and diplomacy with an enemy leader at this point.
As for Moira, well, we hardly saw fit to mention the war until Soter went crying for help to Rote and Veto because he was getting roundly thrashed in a conflict he provoked. Since that point it hasnÆt really been about Moira has it Bacchanalian? Moira are now simply a proxy for the long-yearned for showdown between your most obsessively-needy pilots and the people who forgot about them years ago.
On CYIÆs formal surrender, well you were in Star Fraction at that time Bacchanalian. You know as well as I do that we forced their entire alliance to hide like roaches in the corn and our pilots simply didnÆt want another bug-hunt that lasted for months and achieved nothing.
We moved on to confronting and humiliating the either Amarrian bloc with Operations Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse and Daisy-Cutter. I do remember you personally were very unhappy that we couldnÆt force the CYI executive to surrender but sometimes thatÆs just life in Eve.
After all, you told me yesterday that you ôcrushedö Acheron Federation (the CYI successor entity) and yet here is Ixion Defence flying capital ships about with TEST.
Does that make you a failure by then terms you consider us failures û or does it mean there is simply a rational limit to damage one can inflict on an organization before it buckles and runs to the hills? Sure we could devote our entire existence to infiltrating and stalking individual pilots, hiding out in their dustbins and stealing the contents of their underwear drawers but really ... comes a point when a rational pilot needs to accept enough damage has been done to prove the point and further the interests of the freespace revolution.
Unless of course one has forgotten what that cause is all about and simply became addicted to the torturing and killing for small cartoon frogs
In any case I imagine it must have been late when you composed that last post because it didnÆt really demonstrate any of the things you wanted it too!
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Darveses
printcraft
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Posted - 2011.06.04 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Sure we could devote our entire existence to infiltrating and stalking individual pilots, hiding out in their dustbins and stealing the contents of their underwear drawers but really ...
I for one am vaguely aroused whenever my underwear decides to vanish ... or is vanished by someone, for that matter.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.04 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Jade Constantine
It is quite pointless to claim superiority over us because you are better at doing something we decided (long ago) was simply a regressive fallback to the enclosurist tyranny of corrupt imperialism.
Ms. Constantine, while I agree with you regarding Bacchanalian's irrelevance in this forum, last time I checked the empires didn't shoot random neutrals. If I misinterpreted what you were saying, I apologize.
No apologies are neccessary monsieur Galente, it is right that we ask questions when matters are unsure and to gain clarification before reaching assessment. We in the Fraction consider ourselves (by and large) and anarchist organization and view most forms of hierarchical government with suspicion. There is a long debate to be had on this elsewhere no doubt. But the specific point I was making is that NBSI xenophobia can be seen as a holdover from past nationalist wars of flag against flag and planetside territory against territory for such things as material shortage, religion and cultural distance.
The capsuleer experience in New Eden has seen us gain access to vast resources (largely untapped) but denied to most by the meaningless greed and jealousy of NBSI territorialists. The majority of nullsec is absolutely empty with claims made by absentee landlords playing at robber-barons and dressing up in their father's clothes.
My point is that NBSI is a tool of oppression and expression of "fear of the other" rather than "hope for beneficial trade and relationship". Conquest for conquest sake like fear for fear's sake is profoundly regressive to our way of thinking. We have all the tools and potential we need to build a genuinely progressive starfaring culture but first we need to make war on the bad ideas that chain the majority of low and nullsec capsuleers to an ancient and barbaric past.
Understand please, that most of the NBSI empires and roving psychotics practicising the philosophy are simply copying the imperialist patterns of the inner sphere empires. Amarrian religious zealotry finds itself renewed in virgin territory, the worst excesses of Heth's fascist dogma drives the engagement ideology and diplomatic failing of the largest alliances, while hierarchist drive of Federation and Republic finds a warm bed in the stratified ruler/renter/sub-tenant pattern of nullsec settlement.
The inner sphere imperialials are the pattern that NBSI tyrants and their roving guard dogs imitate on the frontier. Our challenge is to promote a change in that pattern so that progressive rather than regressive influence is transmitted to the impressionable posthuman children of the capsuleer Diaspora.
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.04 13:29:00 -
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What a powerfully charged discussion this has become. I approve.
How better to celebrate eight years of a corporations history than throwing hate, dripped in bitterness, with a coating of grudging respect at each other; and re-living said history through the action? Perfect.
A fun food fight, with daggers instead of soft consumables, between old friends. I can picture it, as I'm sure you can too, though I doubt the event would last nearly as long as this discussion.
Such vitriol should be celebrated, decanted into small phials and forced upon the unwilling, before throwing them in a confined space, and then being enlightened as we watch them beating each other to death. No?...That is unfortunate.
On the subject of the Star Fractions anniversary, I would like to congratulate any individual who was a part of those years, however brief, as you were all part of creating the entity. Of course, there will be those who had more influence than others, but you all share a common theme appropriate to this subject. Don't forget it.
Excellent effort Star Fraction.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pol Macsliebh *Raises Glass
Thank you Pol, we've always honoured and appreciated our relationship with the Ushra'khan over the years and still consider we have much in common in terms of our ideals and vision of New Eden spared the corruption of imperialist domination and sentients chained by regressive practise and nationalist conceit.
Also congratulatons to your tournament team who have progressed to the finals - its nice to have somebody to be cheering for in the final 32.
On behalf of the Star Fraction we wish you the very best of luck!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 11:21:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine We moved on to confronting and humiliating the entire Amarrian bloc with Operations Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse and Daisy-Cutter.
I certainly didn't feel humiliated by JF's efforts in that campaign, and I suspect that the rest of the Amarr Bloc didn't either.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 11:21:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine We moved on to confronting and humiliating the entire Amarrian bloc with Operations Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse and Daisy-Cutter.
I certainly didn't feel humiliated by JF's efforts in that campaign, and I suspect that the rest of the Amarr Bloc didn't either.
But then again you didn't feel humiliated by being forced to celebrate Sarum's coronation while being docked in Amarr Family Station with a fleet of angry Matari terrorists and Radical Freespacers gathered outside while you handed out battleship prizes to fellow dock monkeys and got a stern tongue lashing on the subject from your more-militant kinsmen in the KPV.
The obvious conclusion is you lack a proper awareness of shame.
Thats hardly news though!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 11:31:44
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 11:21:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine We moved on to confronting and humiliating the entire Amarrian bloc with Operations Judas Goat, Slaughterhouse and Daisy-Cutter.
I certainly didn't feel humiliated by JF's efforts in that campaign, and I suspect that the rest of the Amarr Bloc didn't either.
But then again you didn't feel humiliated by being forced to celebrate Sarum's coronation while being docked in Amarr Family Station with a fleet of angry Matari terrorists and Radical Freespacers gathered outside while you handed out battleship prizes to fellow dock monkeys and got a stern tongue lashing on the subject from your more-militant kinsmen in the KPV.
The obvious conclusion is you lack a proper awareness of shame.
Thats hardly news though!
Are you talking about the gathering that was advertised in advance as being held inside a station?
Are you still bitter about having to mewl impotently outside?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Are you talking about the gathering that was advertised in advance as being held inside a station?
I think we considered it a positive triumph for any pilot opposed to Amarrian Nationalist folly to see our enemies reduced to patting themselves on the back across the pews in a station church rather than daring to parade outside in space.
Unfortunately for your cause many of your kinsmen felt the same way.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake Are you talking about the gathering that was advertised in advance as being held inside a station?
I think we considered it a positive triumph for any pilot opposed to Amarrian Nationalist folly to see our enemies reduced to patting themselves on the back across the pews in a station church rather than daring to parade outside in space.
Unfortunately for your cause many of your kinsmen felt the same way.
We decided not to let you disrupt the event, and you didn't. We did things according to our timetable and agenda, not yours.
A few (a small minority) disagreed with that decision, but they're entitled to their opinion.
As for your contention that your enemies had been reduced to patting themselves on the back inside a station, I disagree. Most of the corps present on that day still have an active presence in space. Indeed, PIE pilots continue to this day to engage in combat on a daily basis.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake We decided not to let you disrupt the event, and you didn't.
Short of kicking our way into the cathedral and setting fire to your prayer-cushions I can think of few ways it would have been possible to interfere with an entirely station-bound celebration of Amarrian Nationalist "power".
But then again, was it neccessary to further disrupt an already pathetic demonstration of cowardice and inability to take action against your foes?
One might say you were content to humiliate yourselves quite willingly by your actions there. Servants of the Empire driven to hide behind the robes of a clergymen while Matari Guerillas and Laughing Freespacers mocked you from outside.
Nothing else needs to be said on that image.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake We decided not to let you disrupt the event, and you didn't.
Short of kicking our way into the cathedral and setting fire to your prayer-cushions I can think of few ways it would have been possible to interfere with an entirely station-bound celebration of Amarrian Nationalist "power".
But that's my point. Had we undocked and destroyed your fleet, the remembrance ceremony would still have been disrupted. So we stuck to the plan.
Fighting at a ceremony to remember the victims of war would have made a mockery of it.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Fighting at a ceremony to remember the victims of war would have made a mockery of it.
In the same way that handing out battleships as prizes to "good amarrians" would be a mockery of such a ceremony of memorial you mean?
You really should make a greater effort to keep your story straight.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 14:34:51 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 14:34:29 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 14:33:58
Ah yes, the old quoting out of context ruse.
I urge interested parties to read the full text of what was said at the memorial service, rather than just the little snippet presented by Jade.
But since you seem so keen to talk about humilation Jade, shall we talk about the time a Star Fraction fleet failed to intercept a frighter carrying a senior Amarrian VIP because their fleet hadn't had time to set up their blockade properly after chasing a decoy halfway across Domain?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:52:00 -
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I find it rather amusing it took you a whole three edits master your wits long enough for that rather piffling reply
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:57:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I find it rather amusing it took you a whole three edits master your wits long enough for that rather piffling reply
I take it that you don't want to talk about JF being humilated by a monk then.
Would you prefer to talk about the time that you, the arch-advocate of free space, had to make an announcement regarding the closure to neutral vessels of the space that your alliance controlled? I guess that you must have found that rather humiliating.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/06/2011 15:05:43
Originally by: Rodj Blake ... being humilated by a monk then.
Isn't that precisely what we are talking about with your organization attempting to commemorate the fighting at Mekhios by offering Battleships to other loyalists only to be told to keep the ships and use them yourself rather than hiding in a station from your enemies? Do try to keep your wits on the subject.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 15:17:07
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 06/06/2011 15:05:43
Originally by: Rodj Blake ... being humilated by a monk then.
Isn't that precisely what we are talking about with your organization attempting to commemorate the fighting at Mekhios by offering Battleships to other loyalists only to be told to keep the ships and use them yourself rather than hiding in a station from your enemies? Do try to keep your wits on the subject.
My point is that you seem to think that us doing something that we planned to is somehow humiliating.
I disagree.
I say that your failure to intercept Brother Joshua's freighter (and the other freighter that was with him. And the three industrials) in Kor-Azor Prime was a humilation.
I say that you announcing that your alliance was closing the space it controlled was a humilation.
And I say that you being caught out employing neutral-flagged IGS proxies must have been quite humiliating as well.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake My point is that you seem to think that us doing something that we planned to is somehow humiliating.
Ah you are confusing yourself Rodj Blake. What I consider is deeply humiliating for your organization is that after resolving to hold a celebration of Amarrian martial prowess and success in a station interior (to avoid your enemies outside) you decided to attempt to reward your fellow nationalists with gift battleships only to be told to "keep them" and try using such things yourself rather than gutlessly coughing out the phrase "amarr victor" from dock.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:33:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 15:34:53
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake My point is that you seem to think that us doing something that we planned to is somehow humiliating.
Ah you are confusing yourself Rodj Blake. What I consider is deeply humiliating for your organization is that after resolving to hold a celebration of Amarrian martial prowess and success in a station interior (to avoid your enemies outside) you decided to attempt to reward your fellow nationalists with gift battleships only to be told to "keep them" and try using such things yourself rather than gutlessly coughing out the phrase "amarr victor" from dock.
Except that it wasn't a simple celebration of martial prowess. Note the title of the thread - Honoring the Fallen.
Also get your facts straight. Only one battleship was returned to us. I believe that it later saw combat defending the Empire.
Really Jade, if this is your greatest "victory" over PIE after eight years, you should probably hang your head in shame.
It's hardly a humiliation compared to you messing up your biggest ever chance to affect the Empire, having to retract your NRDS policy in public, or being caught out using a proxy now is it?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Except that it wasn't a simple celebration of martial prowess. Note the title of the thread - Honoring the Fallen. Also get your facts straight. Only one battleship was returned to us. I believe that it later saw combat defending the Empire.
Then why all the "Amarr Victor" nonsense? Why give out battleships? Why all the talk of battle and victories? Perhaps you should have kept your language to a simple prayer meeting and avoiding speaking of war and conflict completely since it was your intention not to fight your enemies under any circumstances.
But really I still think you are a little confused. I spoke here in this thread of the humiliation often handed out to Amarrian nationalists and you simply allowed me to prove the point most appropriately with reference to the latest in a long line of such humiliations.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:44:00 -
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That we occasionally have issues with our brethren on how best to conduct the Reclaiming does not constitute a crisis of faith or an impending dissolution of the Amarr-bloc.
Our work as a people is stronger than any one group, or one particular argument between us.
In fact we have begun to see past our differences and realize that we have many of the same goals, albeit with differences in methodology.
It would be to your detriment Jade to mistake a public argument between PIE and ourselves for any grand schizm. My organization and my pilots are quick to anger, as is well known. This serves us well out on the frontier but can occasionally hamper social events....
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Vitalia It would be to your detriment Jade to mistake a public argument between PIE and ourselves for any grand schizm. My organization and my pilots are quick to anger, as is well known. This serves us well out on the frontier but can occasionally hamper social events....
Oh make no mistake ms Vitalia - this was a mere slap in the face not declaration of profound schizm or civil war. But such things can be humiliating to the one slapped and it did certainly highlight the general feeling at the time that for Amarrian crusaders to shout "Amarr Victor" inside a church while their enemies mocked them from space outside was not a very dignified sight at all.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:05:00 -
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As I've said, I don't feel at all humiliated by what happened.
Jade's reticence to discuss issues such as her public retraction of JF's NRDS policy suggests that she's somewhat embarrased by them though. One might even say humiliated.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake As I've said, I don't feel at all humiliated by what happened. Jade's reticence to discuss issues such as her public retraction of JF's NRDS policy suggests that she's somewhat embarrased by them though.
I see you are hiding your shame and embarrassment behind lies as usual Rodj Blake.
You reference a communication I made seven and half years ago communicating the decision of the NVA council to temporarily close space in its core regions in the face of a giant pirate invasion.
Note that NVA was not "my alliance" it was not even an "alliance" (since formal alliances did not exist at that time). NVA was a lose affiliation of allied corps with a council deciding policy on democratic principles. On the occassion you reference a majority of representatives decided their interests were best served by adopting the policy I communicated on their behalf.
Jericho Fraction was outvoted on that occassion and opted to maintain our own rules of engagements deciding we would remain staunchly NRDS as we have been since our founding.
Interestingly this ideological schism would lead to Jericho Fraction breaking with the NVA when it transitioned to its next identity "Phoenix Alliance" after a majority other councillers decided to make the closing of borders permanent and complete their descent into NBSI xenophobia. These and other issues played a role in the setting the scene for the Great Northern War that broke out six months later.
But of course you know this Rodj Blake because we have had this discussion dozens of times over the years and you simply wished to tell your lying version of events again to distract attention from your own humiliation in the matter of the Mekhois memorial debacle
Still, I do welcome the opportunity to demonstrate the strength our of our principles and idealism once again.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 17:46:52
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rodj Blake As I've said, I don't feel at all humiliated by what happened. Jade's reticence to discuss issues such as her public retraction of JF's NRDS policy suggests that she's somewhat embarrased by them though.
I see you are hiding your shame and embarrassment behind lies as usual Rodj Blake.
You reference a communication I made seven and half years ago communicating the decision of the NVA council to temporarily close space in its core regions in the face of a giant pirate invasion.
Note that NVA was not "my alliance" it was not even an "alliance" (since formal alliances did not exist at that time). NVA was a lose affiliation of allied corps with a council deciding policy on democratic principles. On the occassion you reference a majority of representatives decided their interests were best served by adopting the policy I communicated on their behalf.
I'm not saying that you agreed with the policy. I'm saying that you must have found it humiliating to make that statement.
Also, if the NVA wasn't an alliance, then what did the A in its acronym stand for?
And really Jade, let's not get into a discussion about lying. Out of the two of us, only one has a reputation for willfully misrepresenting facts, and it's not me.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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No letÆs be plain Rodj Blake, you told a direct and obvious lie. You said I had publicly retracted Jericho FractionÆs NRDS policy when I did no such thing. That was a lie, here in black and white. You even quote your own words stating that lie in the same breath you deny it!
And as for a record in telling the truth Rodj Blake *shakes her head sadly* you have an appalling reputation for lying that is famed across the star cluster. But really, this is getting beyond ridiculous at this point. You wanted an example of your humiliation û you were given one, end of story.
But again somehow its fitting that past defeated toothless nationalists should present themselves for further humiliation in our 8th Year anniversary thread!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 20:04:55 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 06/06/2011 20:04:36
Originally by: Jade Constantine
No letÆs be plain Rodj Blake, you told a direct and obvious lie. You said I had publicly retracted Jericho FractionÆs NRDS policy when I did no such thing. That was a lie, here in black and white. You even quote your own words stating that lie in the same breath you deny it!
Your exact words were
Originally by: Jade Constantine For security reasons, as of 14:00 eve time on the 23-Oct-2003 Venal will be closing it's borders to all non NVA or NAP members. All current non combatents present in venal space are advised to leave immediatly until the war situation can be resolved.
Once the current threat to Venal has been resolved, operations will return to normal and borders once again opened.
Any ships remaining in venal space after 14:00 do so at their own risk. Defensive forces will be operating a KOS policy during this attack.
If your vessel is trapped behind the lines then we advise you to make contact with NVA fleet assets either via local chat, or by joining the NVA public channel and finding an NVA-flagged member.
If you ask permission to leave in safety and cooporate with NVA fleet assets you will not be harmed.
This announcement covers Venal, M-ONENA and HQ6Z-L Regions specifically.
PB, K-Tay, and Fade are not closed at this time, but be aware that heightened NVA fleet patrols in these regions will be on full war alert and it is important to declare your intentions and keep an eye on local chat.
The NVA council thanks you all for your cooporation and understanding in this time of great anxiety and warlike preparation.
Your corporation was a member of the NVA at the time. I believe that you sat on its council. Now, that statement might look to some people that you were announcing that NVA vessels would be firing upon neutrals.
People can draw their own conclusions.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:07:00 -
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And now you are wriggling ... earlier you stated plainly and boldly that IÆd made a public retraction of Jericho FractionÆs NRDS policy. Are you prepared to apologize for that mistake or would you prefer to simply have it on record as another lie to add to your history on these forums?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
And now you are wriggling ... earlier you stated plainly and boldly that IÆd made a public retraction of Jericho FractionÆs NRDS policy. Are you prepared to apologize for that mistake or would you prefer to simply have it on record as another lie to add to your history on these forums?
When you said that "defensive forces will be operating a KOS policy" and when your corporation was a part of those defensive forces, well, like I say, people can draw their own conclusions as to whether or not you were saying that your corporation was going to be operating a KOS policy.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:42:00 -
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I made it quite plain that Jericho Fraction had decided to make absolutely no change to our rules of engagement and since we had set all pirate hostiles -10 already there was absolutely no need for it - hence our opposition to the popular vote. But you are still wriggling - earlier you clearly stated that I had retracted the JF NRDS policy - a claim that is an outright lie.
You can invent all the conspiracy stories you like Rodj Blake - but since the NVA existed long before the implementation of formal alliance structures there was absolutely no mechanism to tie individual standings together. Perhaps a problem if one needs to go digging for seven year old threads to cover blushes at being shamed by other nationalists!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Perhaps a problem if one needs to go digging for seven year old threads to cover blushes at being shamed by other nationalists!
I don't see an issue with discussing events of more than seven years ago, especially since this is a thread looking back on eight years of history.
But if you want to discuss more recent JF failures, there are plenty to choose from. Your failures in in space. Your failures on this forum.
And I don't feel shamed by my fellow nationalists. I know that KPV may not agree with everything we've done, but I think that they understand why we've done it. Likewise, they've done things that PIE wouldn't neccessarily have done, but I understand why they've done them.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.06 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I know that KPV may not agree with everything we've done, but I think that they understand why we've done it. .
Does this include repeatedly wading into the lion's den of anarchist threads on the summit, brother Blake?
Your willingness to dance with her and her spider's web of twisted logic over the years certainly requires some extreme patience and willpower.
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Sooplex
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:10:00 -
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PIE, you can no more blow sand out of your back bobbin now, than you could six years ago. I'm sick of hearing your banal rhetoric polluting this forum. You are a veritable dead dog without any power but the power of words. Deny it if you will, but all sensible observers already know you are powder puff fanatic non-entities.
Though I personally appreciate your strength of 'flogging the broken idea' until death, you need to go back to your sanctums and play with your slave boys and girls, and not come out unless you want to show some actual beef to back up your vertical gas.
Don't use this honorable communication to get off on your usual cheap shots and failed literal crap.
Get a grip Rodj and add some honor and stature to your fake aloofness.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I merely pointed out that you once said that the alliance of which you were a part (the New Venal Alliance) had decided to shoot neutrals.
No you did not "merely" point that out. If you had this conversation would have gone in a rather different direction as I would have responded with a little history of the NVA->Phoenix alliance transition and our exit on disagreement with the formal adoption of NBSI ideology.
But what you did claim (entirely falsely) was that I had "publicly retracted the Jericho Fraction NRDS rules of engagement". You knew this to be a lie when you spoke it. But you felt you needed a distraction from the embarrassment of the Mekhios debacle and were prepared to take a risk that nobody would notice.
Now of course if you genuinely cared about seven year old discussions you could seek a little further afield to discover documents covering the founding constitution of the NVA rather than continually (and rather idiotically) failing to recognize the difference between an early voluntary association of corporations "alliance" and a later formal concord registered alliance (or indeed a capsuleer empire milita) - the latter two structures quite definitely allowing an override of corporate standings.
Indeed one could quite strongly accuse PIE of hypocrisy most foul by your voluntary association with a 24th Crusade full of villains, cheats, pirates, turncoats and various undesirable elements who have a rich and varied histoy of murdering innocents and rampaging through space but whats the point? Yours is a corporation of slavers promoting slavery and celebrating the degredation of the human spirit as a cherished goal. No criticism I make could have purchase on that essential lunacy.
*shrugs*
But truth is never your goal in these little interjections is it Rodj Blake? You'd rather trade in murky allusions, teleporting clerics, cloaking bestowers, other people's accomplishments, and indeed any other mud you care to hurl to change the subject from the one you find least comfortable at that moment.
Quote: And I don't feel shamed by my fellow nationalists. I know that KPV may not agree with everything we've done, but I think that they understand why we've done it. Likewise, they've done things that PIE wouldn't neccessarily have done, but I understand why they've done them.
I'm sure KPV do understand why you chose to hide in stations shouting "amarr victor" at celebrations of Amarrian martial prowess while your enemies await you outside in warships.
I understand why a worm burrows into the soil in search of nutrients to thereby enrich the ground of their passing.
But I have to say I think the worm is more useful than you Rodj Blake.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sooplex PIE, you can no more blow sand out of your back bobbin now, than you could six years ago. I'm sick of hearing your banal rhetoric polluting this forum. You are a veritable dead dog without any power but the power of words. Deny it if you will, but all sensible observers already know you are powder puff fanatic non-entities.
People have been saying similar things about PIE for as long as I can remember. And yet it was a PIE CEO who was made a member of the Order of the Sacred Throne. It was PIE to whom the Speakers of Truth turned to when one of their number was on a mission of utmost importance. PIE was one of the corporations praised by the Hedion review for its efforts in the Bleak Lands, and it was PIE who Yonis Ardishapur singled out for special praise.
Not too shabby for a bunch of powder puff fanactic non-entities.
Quote: Though I personally appreciate your strength of 'flogging the broken idea' until death, you need to go back to your sanctums and play with your slave boys and girls, and not come out unless you want to show some actual beef to back up your vertical gas.
Don't use this honorable communication to get off on your usual cheap shots and failed literal crap.
You make a comment about playing with slave boys and then accuse me of taking cheap shots. Classy.
I was quite happy to leave this thread alone until your leader brought PIE into the discussion.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake You make a comment about playing with slave boys and then accuse me of taking cheap shots. Classy.
Well your Archbishop did once publicly boast about keeping them in gilded cages Rodj Blake. You have to admit to a non-amarrian non-theocratic mindset the whole thing does sound quite twisted and rather kinky.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Jeekin Not all dreams are happy ones. But I consider the dream of freedom one worth striving for. Dream on.
And our respects to your dreams also Kade Jeekin of the Kinda'Shujaa. We have shared cause in times before and shed blood together. We take your toast and return it in kind. Fight well Matari, long live the fighters!
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I'm sure KPV do understand why you chose to hide in stations shouting "amarr victor" at celebrations of Amarrian martial prowess while your enemies await you outside in warships.
As an aside Ms. Constantine, based on my personal experiance.
My first encounter with you and your pilots was when you were trying to maintain a POS in Kamela. Although I was a new to the 24th IC, I distinctly remember being unable to coax your pilots from the safety of the Amarr station they were hiding in. But thank them again for spending their tax ISK on it.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/06/2011 12:56:51
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk My first encounter with you and your pilots was when you were trying to maintain a POS in Kamela. Although I was a new to the 24th IC, I distinctly remember being unable to coax your pilots from the safety of the Amarr station they were hiding in. But thank them again for spending their tax ISK on it. Pot. Kettle. Black.
Your experience obviously differs from the many hundreds of 24th crusade pilots who fought in the great battles of space and freedom at the time which were renowned as some of the most intensely fought engagements of the entire warzone. But I do understand your need to score some partizan points regardless of their distance from any kind of reality in space.
Clearly those 3070 Amarrian vessels were destroyed by people who never undock
Careless.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:38:00 -
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I'm not refuting the facts as you present them. Like I said, it was just based on my own experiance.
Thank you though. While you may not have hid from others, I know that your people must have a phobia whenever a Khanid in a Punisher shows up.
Ah Jade. I can't be mad at you. You're fighting the Federation. Whichever side loses it's ok by me.
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A little late (I didn't wish to disturb the flow of the bickering) but on behalf of the pilots of Core Synthesis Unlimited, allow me to extend my congratulations to the Star Fraction on another milestone achieved. Here's to many more.
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Amarr The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:28:00 -
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Rodj, You are a powerful figure through your own designs and clever interpretations. You suck the unwary into your sphere of influence like a man who has no qualms about bringing the dimwitted under your sway with your words. Your followers lack individualism and cohesive thought, and therefore you are left with a bunch of 'hanger-ons', a pathetic and darkly comedic state of affairs.
I do not doubt your intensity, nor do I doubt PIE's unwavering ideology, but you have no power anymore, except for vain bluster and ridiculous literal jabs that mean absolutely nothing to SF.
What? You think that piggy-backing on SF can gain you some kind of propaganda? Think again Captain Has-Been. We have no care for you or your words. I cannot personally think of anything less threatening than your holed up bunch of back-strokers spouting your usual rhetoric.
I am embarrassed that you felt the need to pull yourself from your slumber to make slurs and downright pathetic rubbish against this Corps ideology and celebration of eight years well served.
Whether we included you as part of said history should be no more than us giving you a 'leg up' as you were lucky that the SF crossed your path and pulled those golden ships from their dormant state.
Keep your sanctimonious trap shut, in fact, stick an Abbadon in it, it may just fit.
Waste of time and space, Rodj.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken In for the RK teenager rants. Always amusing.
In for CONGRATULATIONS to Jade and crew for a job well done.
"Oh, they never lie. They dissemble, evade, prevaricate, confound, confuse, distract, obscure, subtly misrepresent and willfully misunderstand with what often appears to be a positively gleeful relish and are generally perfectly capable of contriving to give one an utterly unambiguous impression of their future course of action while in fact intending to do exactly the opposite, but they never lie. Perish the thought."
And an amusing quote monsieur Airaken, a toast in turn to your kind congratulations - its always important to entertain and scandalize in equal measures. The revolution has many fronts and just as many fault-lines to exploit in our war against the regressive status quo; whether nationalist militia, imperialist road-blocker or enclosurist pirate clique.
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Evet Morrel
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.09 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Evet Morrel on 09/06/2011 17:12:41
Originally by: Sooplex Rodj, You are a powerful figure through your own designs and clever interpretations. You suck the unwary into your sphere of influence like a man who has no qualms about bringing the dimwitted under your sway with your words. Your followers lack individualism and cohesive thought, and therefore you are left with a bunch of 'hanger-ons', a pathetic and darkly comedic state of affairs.
I do not doubt your intensity, nor do I doubt PIE's unwavering ideology, but you have no power anymore, except for vain bluster and ridiculous literal jabs that mean absolutely nothing to SF.
What? You think that piggy-backing on SF can gain you some kind of propaganda? Think again Captain Has-Been. We have no care for you or your words. I cannot personally think of anything less threatening than your holed up bunch of back-strokers spouting your usual rhetoric.
I am embarrassed that you felt the need to pull yourself from your slumber to make slurs and downright pathetic rubbish against this Corps ideology and celebration of eight years well served.
Whether we included you as part of said history should be no more than us giving you a 'leg up' as you were lucky that the SF crossed your path and pulled those golden ships from their dormant state.
Keep your sanctimonious trap shut, in fact, stick an Abbadon in it, it may just fit.
Waste of time and space, Rodj.
To strong , please Spooplex let Rodj 'tirer les marrons du feu', he so very good at it.
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Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.13 05:08:00 -
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Congratulations to the Jericho Fraction.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Merahl Ronuken An eight-year corporate lifespan in this universe is no mean feat. Congratulations to you and your men, Ms. Constantine.
And my thanks to you Merahl Ronuken ... I wish you the best in turn and hope that New Eden treats you well on your journeys and adventures as it has us.
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Sooplex
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.13 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Evet Morrel Edited by: Evet Morrel on 09/06/2011 17:12:41 To strong , please Spooplex let Rodj 'tirer les marrons du feu', he so very good at it.
Ah Evet, if only I had a portion of your calmness. It is unfortunate that my damaged psyche lends to such aggravated outbursts.
But...God wants spiritual fruit, not religous nuts...and its the nuts that stick in my craw.
...and besides, Rodj has thicker skin than a Guardian, it will take more than mere words to penetrate that gargantuan cranium.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Originally by: Sooplex Rodj, You are a powerful figure through your own designs and clever interpretations. You suck the unwary into your sphere of influence like a man who has no qualms about bringing the dimwitted under your sway with your words. Your followers lack individualism and cohesive thought, and therefore you are left with a bunch of 'hanger-ons', a pathetic and darkly comedic state of affairs.
I do not doubt your intensity, nor do I doubt PIE's unwavering ideology, but you have no power anymore, except for vain bluster and ridiculous literal jabs that mean absolutely nothing to SF.
What? You think that piggy-backing on SF can gain you some kind of propaganda? Think again Captain Has-Been. We have no care for you or your words. I cannot personally think of anything less threatening than your holed up bunch of back-strokers spouting your usual rhetoric.
I am embarrassed that you felt the need to pull yourself from your slumber to make slurs and downright pathetic rubbish against this Corps ideology and celebration of eight years well served.
Whether we included you as part of said history should be no more than us giving you a 'leg up' as you were lucky that the SF crossed your path and pulled those golden ships from their dormant state.
Keep your sanctimonious trap shut, in fact, stick an Abbadon in it, it may just fit.
Waste of time and space, Rodj.
Quote: ...and besides, Rodj has thicker skin than a Guardian, it will take more than mere words to penetrate that gargantuan cranium.
Feel free to carry on trying. Most amusing.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:55:00 -
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Jade... I see you have mentioned my name. I realize your obsession with me and the Amarr bloc in general is something your fragile mental state leaves you unable to control. Thus as Admiral Blake has so eloquently proven his point and offered such concrete proof of his corrections of you "errant statements" I shall simply say to you "well done" on providing the Eve cluster with eight years of incredible claims, entertaining (if inaccurate) war diaries and shrill walls of text. Your ability to attempt rewrites of history is unmatched in the cluster. You have provided much in the way of entertainment value and for that we are all grateful.
Looking at the eight pages of postings here before Admiral Blake posted I can see the feelings of much of the cluster and it is quite clear they recognize you for what you truly are and likewise appreciate your efforts at providing entertainment and absurdity in a harsh universe. Here is to another eight years of Star Fraction and their cult of personality. Well done indeed.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Originally by: Chai N'Dorr I remember the time I flew with you fondly. Happy anniversary!
And I remember you well Chai N'Dorr. Lovely to hear from you again and I hope you are doing well wherever you now fly and are enjoying all the sights and sensations of New Eden!
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Jade Constantine
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Originally by: Archbishop
Looking at the eight pages of postings here before Admiral Blake posted I can see the feelings of much of the cluster and it is quite clear they recognize you for what you truly are and likewise appreciate your efforts at providing entertainment and absurdity in a harsh universe.
Hmmm I think its stretching reality even for you to read "the feelings of much of the cluster" into the whimpering and bleating of Verone and Rote Kapelle!
Still, nice to see those dastardly corp-thieves continue to have your the blessings of the pompous prelate
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Tyto
Minmatar Ardua Astra
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:54:00 -
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Congratulations Jericho and Star Fractions.
It does me good to see that you have never wavered in 8 years.
"If everyone's thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
Glad someone is thinking.
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Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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I first became aware of the Star Fraction a few months into my Protectorate career. The day I joined Achmed, I did so while idling towards a Gate. I was shocked to find that accepting the Corporate invitation turned twenty nearby ships hostile and cost me a ship. The most memorable part was when one of the pilots contacted me and informed me that "Tibus Heth wasn't going to protect me." and that I was wrong in fighting for the State.
It was fascinating, and today it makes for a humorous anecdote.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.17 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Merahl Ronuken An eight-year corporate lifespan in this universe is no mean feat. Congratulations to you and your men, Ms. Constantine.
My thanks to you monsieur Ronuken - eight year survival is one thing but kicking ass and beating the heck out of regressive nationalists and their road-blocker allies to celebrate our anniversary is priceless
A toast to you in return!
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.21 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Funkert
Originally by: Jade Constantine You stand for one cause and one cause alone û killing and gloating over kills. It is the whole of your nature. You worship at the cult of the killboard Tatsue Nuko û there is no reason or politics or ideal beyond the holy statistics of the K/D ratio. There is no ideal nor principle nor freedom nor dream at the core of your being simply a yawning emptiness that aches to be filled by the hatred of others.
That made me smile from ear to ear. Would you be interested in a position as Propaganda Officer with us?
I could see myself being tempted into a paid contract to re-write your propaganda material for you if you would like it done properly Funkert. If the thought appeals I could propably design you a religion that would best exemplify these attributes to be praised and appropriate homage given. Drop me an eve-mail if interested and I'll let you know the price (half in a advance of course).
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Posted - 2011.09.05 15:12:00 -
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Eight years is an amazing accomplishment in New Eden. See you all on the other side. o/
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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A last toast to the fallen heroes of the revolution and greetings to our comrades across New Eden. As the Intergalactic Summit ends its service we wave goodbye to these forums and hope to see everyone on the other side.
Long live the fighters!
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