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Anya Klibor
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Posted - 2011.06.01 00:58:00 -
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I know this has probably been touched on before, but I want to make sure I have my facts straight.
To make a long stroy short, I lost my ship to a camp on the entrance to a wormhole. On the camp were several large sling bubbles, and over thirty jetcans with-in them. Now, I'm not on a old rig. My laptop (I know, I know) is rather well-made to play this game. I never have a graphics issue (i7 processor, GeForce GTX460M graphics card). However, the amount of cans in the bubble, coupled with several people on field and the bubbles caused a good seven to eight second lock-up as my grid attempted to load, and this, of course, resulted in the loss of both ship and pod.
Now, I've read that this is considered an exploit, as well as a petitionable offense since it causes undue hardship on either the server or the computer running the game. I'm looking for the devblog that alluded to this fact, since I know what the EULA says. :)
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NOT A ALT
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:00:00 -
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holy carp what a sad freakin story i cant stop crying
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:03:00 -
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valid tactic to decloak cloak n burn guys in the bubble
now if there was hundreds of cans all over the gate or something...
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Anya Klibor
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Posted - 2011.06.01 01:09:00 -
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Honestly, I don't know exactly how many cans there were. I just remember a "sea" of yellow cans when my grid finally loaded, followed by a graphical issue where I was in my pod, then back in station (having been podded).
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:34:00 -
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Intentionally laying can in bubble for any reason other than to hold stuff is an exploit.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Anya Klibor Honestly, I don't know exactly how many cans there were. I just remember a "sea" of yellow cans when my grid finally loaded, followed by a graphical issue where I was in my pod, then back in station (having been podded).
Frankly it might be an exploit or it might not. The only response your going to get here is from the players, who will either tell you to do what I'm about to do or laugh at you.
File a pettition and let a GM go through the logs. If it was an exploit CONCORD will be busy towing your ship back to station (long ass trip too, remember to have tea and biscuits ready for them).
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Intentionally laying can in bubble for any reason other than to hold stuff is an exploit.
Only if the ammount of cans it's way too massive and done on purpouse to get an advantage by Lag then it's an exploit.
Since the OP points it's just cans in a WH i guest that's the original purpouse and hence petitionable.
P.S: CCP has stated that some cans/wrecks in a gate or bubble are not an exploit (you can be unlucky and be decloaked by those or not) but a massive and absurd number it is.
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Khellendrose
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:54:00 -
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umad?
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d1v1n1ty
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:30:00 -
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I'm just curious, but... Wouldn't it lag them (campers) out too?
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: d1v1n1ty I'm just curious, but... Wouldn't it lag them (campers) out too?
No. At least not to the same degree. The campers would already have loaded grid and done everything to minimise graphics induced lag. Anyone entering the grid gets the client swamped with new stuff to render... even if it's not something on their overview (i.e. corpses/biomass).
Basically you stuff a watermellon sized request down the poor sods render path and kill him whilst his client is still choking on it.
There has been some CCP discussion about grid load lag being fair to both sides but I've never seen it happen that way. 500 ships already on grid and you amble through the gate? Might as well just go clone shopping.
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Ami Nia
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: d1v1n1ty I'm just curious, but... Wouldn't it lag them (campers) out too?
No. They are already on grid.
To OP: if your ship was not fitted with a covop cloack, you fail at eve for warping/jumping with an overview setting that shows cans.
In any case: petition it. -- And then there's of course the thing with it getting FPS even slower than the character creator, heating up video cards, taking a noticeable time to fully load ... |
Malartacha Foram
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.01 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Khellendrose umad?
You dumb? Yep. ---- I are pirate! |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sadayiel
Originally by: Ghoest Intentionally laying can in bubble for any reason other than to hold stuff is an exploit.
Only if the ammount of cans it's way too massive and done on purpouse to get an advantage by Lag then it's an exploit.
Since the OP points it's just cans in a WH i guest that's the original purpouse and hence petitionable.
P.S: CCP has stated that some cans/wrecks in a gate or bubble are not an exploit (you can be unlucky and be decloaked by those or not) but a massive and absurd number it is.
No if the cans are being dropped a s niucense its an exploit. If you drop 4 or 5 you arent going to get in trouble - and its a waste of time. But if you drop enough to have any useful effect it will be enough to get a GM visit.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:27:00 -
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30 cans isn't considered an exploit.
300 cans might be.
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Candar Beldrulf
Matari Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:35:00 -
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This would be an excellent example of why priority-based rendering would be a good approach.
1) create a hierarchy of EVE objects. Say player ships, npc ships, everything else. 2) queue everything. Send chunks of the local objects down the pipe, starting with highest priority. 3) make the client render these as they come in, not wait for everything on grid to load.
So you might take 8s to see everything in local, but your client will still be able to keep running at least.
just a thought.
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Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
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Posted - 2011.06.01 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jamaican Herbsman on 01/06/2011 12:48:37 Last time I petitioned about 26 cans + couple wrecks + several bubbles causing lag it was considered valid, but I think it's case to case basis
Edit: poor wording
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Lost Greybeard
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.01 13:02:00 -
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Statistical decloaking (spamming cans in your bubble to **** anyone coming in) is petitionable due to it screwing the servers and people running older hardware. Petition it.
Assuming you took down enough info to petition, obivously. ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Greybeard Statistical decloaking (spamming cans in your bubble to **** anyone coming in) is petitionable due to it screwing the servers and people running older hardware. Petition it.
Assuming you took down enough info to petition, obivously.
if that were true CCP could just add a limit to the number of deployables you can put on grid. can decloaking is a valid tatic especially in a WH.
of course there are limits, but I'd bet 30 is way under that limit and if you really want to get picky its just as easy (easier even) to dump cheap drones all over your bubble too
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Savage Angel
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:20:00 -
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So did you move your ship during the free 30 second cloak after jumping? Or did they get you with a barrage of bombs?
Seems like the bombs would get you anyway.
Would a can decloak you from the free jump cloak? I don't think it would, but not sure as I have just restarted playing after a year or so.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:33:00 -
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Black screen turkey shot.
Its considered an exploit, and if petitioned you might find your bubbles and cans to be gone in a heartbeat. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Havak Kouvo
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:39:00 -
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This has been touched on before in a number of threads.
The official number is you aren't allowed to place any more than six cans on grid with the intention of decloaking people. Anything more is considered an exploit. You should petition the lost of your ship ASAP.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Havak Kouvo The official number is you aren't allowed to place any more than six cans on grid with the intention of decloaking people. Anything more is considered an exploit.
[citation needed]
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Gregor Thursen
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gregor Thursen on 01/06/2011 16:10:38
Originally by: Savage Angel So did you move your ship during the free 30 second cloak after jumping? Or did they get you with a barrage of bombs?
Seems like the bombs would get you anyway.
Would a can decloak you from the free jump cloak? I don't think it would, but not sure as I have just restarted playing after a year or so.
I was under the impression you do not receive a courtesy cloak when you enter and exit wormholes, much like using jump drives, cynosural fields, or bridges.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gregor Thursen Edited by: Gregor Thursen on 01/06/2011 16:10:38
Originally by: Savage Angel So did you move your ship during the free 30 second cloak after jumping? Or did they get you with a barrage of bombs?
Seems like the bombs would get you anyway.
Would a can decloak you from the free jump cloak? I don't think it would, but not sure as I have just restarted playing after a year or so.
I was under the impression you do not receive a courtesy cloak when you enter and exit wormholes, much like using jump drives, cynosural fields, or bridges.
You're wrong.
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Not-Apsalar
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ami Nia
Originally by: d1v1n1ty I'm just curious, but... Wouldn't it lag them (campers) out too?
No. They are already on grid.
To OP: if your ship was not fitted with a covop cloack, you fail at eve for warping/jumping with an overview setting that shows cans.
In any case: petition it.
Err, overview has nothing to do with it. Everything in space is rendered, the overview merely lists the objects that you want easy access to. To put it simply, if I hide ships from my overview those ships still exist, you still see them, you still have to render them, and they still can kill you if you're lagging while rendering that ship. You just don't see their name in a list.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.01 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: daddys helper
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Statistical decloaking (spamming cans in your bubble to **** anyone coming in) is petitionable due to it screwing the servers and people running older hardware. Petition it.
Assuming you took down enough info to petition, obivously.
if that were true CCP could just add a limit to the number of deployables you can put on grid. can decloaking is a valid tatic especially in a WH.
of course there are limits, but I'd bet 30 is way under that limit and if you really want to get picky its just as easy (easier even) to dump cheap drones all over your bubble too
Stop making stuff up just because you wish it was true. Intentionally or not you are lying.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:09:00 -
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if 30 cans causes you to lag out, how are you able to play eve at all? Most missions have more than 30 objects in them, every trade hub has more than 30 ships outside, and even 15 on 15 battles are hardly considered big by any means (more than 30 objects in combat). Add in drones and its a massive blob of stuff on grid. The problem isn't the cans, it's your computer.
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5nake pliskan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:06:00 -
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I'll also point out that if you wait out your unbreakable jump cloak you can just instajump out again, you always load to grid within jump distance of the hole ------------------------------------------------ There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers just exactly what the universe is for and why we are here, that it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. Then there is a theory which states that this has already happened. á á -Douglas Adams
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Anya Klibor
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Savage Angel So did you move your ship during the free 30 second cloak after jumping? Or did they get you with a barrage of bombs?
Seems like the bombs would get you anyway.
Would a can decloak you from the free jump cloak? I don't think it would, but not sure as I have just restarted playing after a year or so.
I didn't jump into the wormhole and get lawlpwned. I warped to the wormhole entrance and - as much as I hate myself for not having checked my D-Scan first for bubbles - got podded when it took my computer time to load the grid.
Quote: if 30 cans causes you to lag out, how are you able to play eve at all? Most missions have more than 30 objects in them, every trade hub has more than 30 ships outside, and even 15 on 15 battles are hardly considered big by any means (more than 30 objects in combat). Add in drones and its a massive blob of stuff on grid. The problem isn't the cans, it's your computer.
I believe CCP has fixed this in a number of instances where spawns are staggered to reduce just this effect. As I said, I don't normally have a graphics problem; in fact, this is the only one I can think of since I got my new computer. And I don't know the specific number. I just know my overview which is elongated to show thirty showed a full view of cans, and there were plenty more, I'm sure.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.06.01 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 01/06/2011 18:47:29 30 cans can't lag out your computer, it's just silly. If you were to try opening 30 cans at once sure.
Also its not a petitionable exploit. I recently petitioned a russian jew system with 187 bubbles on one gate. GMs said it was not a exploit, even escalated it.
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