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Quebber
Edge of Midnight
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.28 06:01:00 -
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The subject title may seem in error I mean how can you categorize all the pvpers in eve into one of three types ?
Let me explain this is just my personal experience and opinion.
Type one.
Numbers game, these are the people who use EFT, who calculate variables, who fit there ships according to stats, spreadsheets and percentages, who will not undock for a fleet without intel and calculated chance of success.
Type two.
Instinctive, these are the people who build, fly, fc on feelings, who will take out a roam because it feels right who will pick a certain gate or engage an enemy based on a feeling and there ships are flown because the pilot instinctively believes in the build.
Type three.
A bit of both.
Myself I follow more the type two, with a little bit of type one, yes I will look at EFT but usually I fit a ship the way it feels right, I fly the ships that feel right to me and when I take people out on a roam I trust my instincts, many times I will bounce my people of a planet or take them to a safe even a detour because a certain area or gate gives me pause for thought, more often than not I am right and we avoid an incoming blob or are able to attack a gate camp from behind. |
Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.28 07:34:00 -
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Aren't instincts as you describe them just ones perception and cognitive judgements / reaction of past experiences. So in a sense type 2s are also number crunchers but instead of having it done consciously they "act on reflexes".
Given that the two are basically the same but that one are more likely to rely on correct and up to date information while the other can be based on pretty much any information that has had an effect on your perception of a ship/situation like - fighting a combat fitted ship as a noob - or fighting with a fittingdisadvantage at all - might scew your perception of the effectiveness of a certain ship.
To answer your question - I tend to do alot of EFT calculations. |
Sigourney Teaser
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.28 08:53:00 -
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There is a fourth type, who cant figure out what is pvp and how to pvp, thats me :D |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:01:00 -
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This doesn't really say anything about how people actually PVP but more how they prepare for engagements. It's a bit simplistic to lump EFT min/maxing with intel gathering.
It's quite common to head out on roams solo or small gang with little or no intel or even scouting. This doesn't mean the same people are going to shirk EFT for getting the best out of their ships even if they do sometimes happily just throw something together in game. Usually you know enough about your go-to ships that you don't have to check EFT every time you retro fit a hull.
Having said that, yes there are control freaks that cannot operate without eyes and ears everywhere for them and have to agonise over min/maxing. I don't think it says much about their actual PVP prowess. Just my thoughts.
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Taurean Eltanin
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.28 09:16:00 -
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Your trichotomy is incomplete; you assume that maximum efficiency is a goal for all pvpers and the only difference is based on how that efficiency is achieved.
However, many pvpers artificially limit themselves to certain strategies and tactics because they enjoy those strategies and tactics - this is a game, after all.
I, for example, fly heavily tanked ships with no gtfo or dps. I don't pretend that this is somehow a superiour way to fly, I simply enjoy fights that take longer because, well, that's the part of Eve I actually like.
http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.com/ |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.28 13:47:00 -
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1) Winners
2) Losers
3) Some of both
And yeah, it's just intel, not EFT. 2 failfits are going to outdps one of you. The blob says hello. Be on the right side of it. |
Ebony Shakiel
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.28 18:04:00 -
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tl;dr
op is a faggo7 |
Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.09.28 18:07:00 -
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I'm Number One, apart from Instead of the Calculations it's simply "Can I take those ships in a ship smaller than those".
Answer is generally yes, and if not I can always bail.
I'm a solo pvper who'll fight against le odds, but I'm pretty terribad. |
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.28 18:24:00 -
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The CORRECT three types of pvpers are;
1: Willing
2: Unwilling
3: AFK/bot |
Nick Nikolov
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.09.28 18:50:00 -
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4) for me also, I end up browsing websites in windows whilst peeps killing me ingame :/ |
Mara Abraham
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.28 19:00:00 -
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Good day:
The willingness to engage.... http://www.factionalwarfare.info/1565/pvp-are-you-willing-to-engage/
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info/
* http://evepiratelife.com/ |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.09.28 19:14:00 -
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I think the categories are more based on Eve "balls". Will you fight anything and everything? Do you hesitate? Do you avoid all PVP unless you are guaranteed a victory?
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Cpt Fina
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.09.28 22:47:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:I think the categories are more based on Eve "balls". Will you fight anything and everything? Do you hesitate? Do you avoid all PVP unless you are guaranteed a victory?
Have to agree - put in other words it's about risk aversion.
Some are very risk averse and have a need to minimize the probability of unwanted outcomes while others are more willing to take risks. |
KFenn
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:03:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:I think the categories are more based on Eve "balls". Will you fight anything and everything? Do you hesitate? Do you avoid all PVP unless you are guaranteed a victory?
Yes, Sometimes, Definately Not.
But yeah, the types of PvPers are far more granular than the 3 you posted.
Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade
SLAPD Director |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.29 14:01:00 -
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Cpt Fina wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:I think the categories are more based on Eve "balls". Will you fight anything and everything? Do you hesitate? Do you avoid all PVP unless you are guaranteed a victory? Have to agree - put in other words it's about risk aversion. Some are very risk averse and have a need to minimize the probability of unwanted outcomes while others are more willing to take risks.
Those are also known as winners and losers. 90% of the time, outcome is predetermined by blob size. If blob size is similar enough that you can't tell at a glance, it's called risk. When difference is big enough that you can tell, but stay on the wrong side of it anyway, it's called being a loser. |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.09.29 14:24:00 -
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I think anyone that calls risk takers losers is the type of person that makes PVP in this game a blobfest and boring.
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.29 14:34:00 -
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Kitty McKitty wrote:I think anyone that calls risk takers losers is the type of person that makes PVP in this game a blobfest and boring.
Don't hate the player, hate the game. |
Mousserande
Scarecrows of Pompous Intentions
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Posted - 2011.09.29 17:52:00 -
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More of a type two. I feel comfortable flying without scouts and without intel, that is when I-¦m solo. When fleeting I dont care much about if the FC has scouts everywhere or if he is shottgunning belts on instincts, I never FC myself.
I have a rather cheap ship standard though so I-¦ve never lost a great % of my isk with one ship going boom.
I poke around in EFT every now and then and I look around KBs for fitting ideas, but I generaly fit most of my ships straight up in game, going by experience.
Also please add type 5: the type that comes home wasted from the local watering hole just to realise insurance is about to run out on a ship, slap all kind of gear you have in the hangar onto it and produce a lolmail somewhere in lowsec.  |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.09.29 19:44:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Kitty McKitty wrote:I think anyone that calls risk takers losers is the type of person that makes PVP in this game a blobfest and boring. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
It's not the game's fault you are incompetent without numbers and scared of losing space pixels.
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:02:00 -
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Mara nice blog. After reading the blog and the comments from those who ran its just another reason why ccp shouldn't have npcs in plexes.
The minmatar npcs do quite a bit of damage with their painters and missiles. Its not like other factions where they are easilly speed tanked. Unfortunately when you fight for the amarr and you want to actually run plexes effieciently (and not have to warp out) your best bet is to pve fit.
You should chalk up those lost fights as being due to CCP screwing plexes up with the npcs. If plexes didn't have rats then they would have been able to do them with good pvp fits and you would have had some more fights.
At least that is something to think about.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:17:00 -
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Kitty McKitty wrote:Goose99 wrote:Kitty McKitty wrote:I think anyone that calls risk takers losers is the type of person that makes PVP in this game a blobfest and boring. Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's not the game's fault you are incompetent without numbers and scared of losing space pixels.
U mad, bro? |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.09.29 20:26:00 -
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Kitty McKitty wrote:Goose99 wrote:Kitty McKitty wrote:I think anyone that calls risk takers losers is the type of person that makes PVP in this game a blobfest and boring. Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's not the game's fault you are incompetent without numbers and scared of losing space pixels.
This.
If you can't hold up on your own in PvP and need dozens more with you before fighting, then **** off, your opinions mean nothing here.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.29 21:29:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:
If you can't hold up on your own in PvP and need dozens more with you before fighting, then **** off, your opinions mean nothing here.
Goose99 wrote:Kitty McKitty wrote:Goose99 wrote:Kitty McKitty wrote:I think anyone that calls risk takers losers is the type of person that makes PVP in this game a blobfest and boring. Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's not the game's fault you are incompetent without numbers and scared of losing space pixels. U mad, bro? |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.09.29 22:24:00 -
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Republic Military School
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Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.29 22:37:00 -
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3 types of PVP:
1) Blow stuff up PVPer
2) Market Manipulator PVPer
3) Forum Warrior PV-Everyoner (slight variant - PV-CCPer)
Which type are you? |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.09.29 22:40:00 -
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Goose, post with your main and then maybe people will care enough to read your comments.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2011.09.30 07:46:00 -
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pvp is like first date sex .... sometimes you want, sometimes you dont want, sometimes u gank, sometimes u ganked.
Old friend of mine, who was originaly miner/ganker tasted it first time and later he just become junkie. So either u r killer or not (or u became one).
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Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.30 08:00:00 -
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Fit it, click it, kill it.. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx
Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.30 08:02:00 -
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Cyniac wrote:3 types of PVP:
1) Blow stuff up PVPer
2) Market Manipulator PVPer
3) Forum Warrior PV-Everyoner (slight variant - PV-CCPer)
Which type are you?
Funny but interesting look at it. Number three really for the first two make complete sense |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.09.30 13:10:00 -
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type 4, the honey badger
know its bait
knows the bait knows that you know its bait
engages anyway
dies alot, but has fun doing it
and teh killing of fskl machariels pays for it all
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
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