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Michael Eads
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Posted - 2011.06.04 22:07:00 -
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Ive been playing for about 3 weeks now and im running level 3 missions in a Drake. Theyre going pretty smooth so far but im wondering what my next ship should be to do level 4 missions. Ive heard lots of different ships thrown around like Tengu, Raven, Navy Raven, Golem. Just for pure mission running then salvaging afterwards in my Noctis, what should I be working towards?
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n00n3r
Caldari Malicious Destruction
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Posted - 2011.06.04 22:56:00 -
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if you have adv weapon upgrades skilled up I would say tengu. Since you're already trained into heavy missles it's a good fit. although you will have to do cruiser 5, and would really want t2 missiles to do it right.
If you still need to skill up your weapons & adv weapon upgrade skills, i would either consider the raven & CNR, or just wait until you're skilled to do tengu.
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I likegirls
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: n00n3r if you have adv weapon upgrades skilled up I would say tengu. Since you're already trained into heavy missles it's a good fit. although you will have to do cruiser 5, and would really want t2 missiles to do it right.
If you still need to skill up your weapons & adv weapon upgrade skills, i would either consider the raven & CNR, or just wait until you're skilled to do tengu.
I doubt a 3 week old player has advanced weapon upgrades trained...
And to OP. Back in the day when I started pre-tengu... the next step would be raven. I still think they are easier to train into and cheaper. If you have plenty of isk and wouldn't mind playing around in lvl 3's for an extra couple of weeks you can do tengu though.
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Fozzy Dorsai
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:13:00 -
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It also depends a lot on you. For instance, I tend to forget little things (like that I'm running a mission), I also really liked the tanking abilities of the Drake and didn't really mind if ganking took a while. Because of that, and because I had a lot of ISK (trading) I bought myself an SNI. I love it. The missioning purists don't like it that much because it is overtanked and underganked. I happen to like overtanked enough to put up with underganked. That's me. You have to figure out what you like and don't like about what you're flying now and "upgrade" when you get your next ship.
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Roh Voleto
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Posted - 2011.06.04 23:17:00 -
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If you are not in a hurry, I would suggest you stay in the Drake for a month or three and work on support, fitting, missile and shield skills. Then train for a Tengu, if you prefer blitzing, and active piloting, and converting LP, or a CNR, if you love collecting bounties and loot, and really hate red crosses.
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Michael Eads
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Posted - 2011.06.05 00:11:00 -
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It sounds like its between a Tengu and a CNR for me. If I go with a CNR, should I upgrade to a Raven now and start training Cruise Missiles/Active Tanking skills now? If I stay in my Drake, ill be training Heavy Missiles and Battlecruiser skills which dont really carry over to a Raven. If I go with Tengu, I figure ill wait in the Drake for a few months training the Cruiser skills as well as Heavy Missiles.
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Diamaht Nevain
Gallente Avatar Union
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Posted - 2011.06.05 00:29:00 -
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Depending on where you are at in your training it might take a month or more to get to a tengu, where it will take a week or so to get into a raven with cruise. Depends on how long you want to wait. =============================== Two words: Internet Spaceships |
Michael Eads
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Posted - 2011.06.05 00:53:00 -
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Looks like im going to go Raven to CNR then to Golem. Thanks guys.
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.06.05 03:18:00 -
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I suggest staying with the drake for now. I too was running around in BC's about 2 weeks in (hurricanes) but it took another 2 months to t2 fit the thing. Just stay with the drake, get t2 missiles and those support missile skills and shield tanking skills to at least 4. The difference a couple million SP with a BC makes is amazing, a well skilled drake is more potent for both pve and pvp than a poorly skilled raven. But to answer your question, the next obvious ship for pve is the raven. But you'll have to work on your drake skills before you should even consider moving up.
One thing to keep in mind is that the actual t2 mods don't require much training, so even once you have the minimum skills to use them, you should keep training those skills. That extra 5-10% shield amount and shield recharge makes a huge difference. Weapons of all types have even greater skill effects. The difference between minimal missile skills for t2 and maxed is around 30-40% damage. You really want things like warhead upgrades (3% damage per level), the RoF skills and the range skills maxed or close to it very early on in the game. And the wonderful thing is, those skills are pretty universal. Shield and missile skills will transfer well to virtually any caldari ship you end up flying. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
Erevis Blackstar
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Posted - 2011.06.05 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar I suggest staying with the drake for now. I too was running around in BC's about 2 weeks in (hurricanes) but it took another 2 months to t2 fit the thing. Just stay with the drake, get t2 missiles and those support missile skills and shield tanking skills to at least 4. The difference a couple million SP with a BC makes is amazing, a well skilled drake is more potent for both pve and pvp than a poorly skilled raven. But to answer your question, the next obvious ship for pve is the raven. But you'll have to work on your drake skills before you should even consider moving up.
THIS!
Battlecruisers rock, and you're only ingame 3 weeks. Just keep training the skills for Battlecruisers. If you think they're great now.. just wait until you're fully trained. There will come a time months or even years from now.. when you wish you'd have trained the battlecruiser skillset up before moving on. Save your Isk and train this beast to it's max. Then when you're ready to move up to Battleships you'll at least have all of the engineering/operation skills set, which is half of the battle.
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Kristan Nvar
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Posted - 2011.06.05 04:31:00 -
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Totally agree with last poster I waited months before even considering doing lvl 4's mostly explored around in my drake and did occasional lvl 3
Flew my Drake for good 5 months before i even bought a BS paid off had all basic skills trained up pretty high by then
Long range goal is a Tengu but im not in hurry.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.05 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Eads Ive been playing for about 3 weeks now and im running level 3 missions in a Drake. Theyre going pretty smooth so far but im wondering what my next ship should be to do level 4 missions. Ive heard lots of different ships thrown around like Tengu, Raven, Navy Raven, Golem. Just for pure mission running then salvaging afterwards in my Noctis, what should I be working towards?
I'd say Tengu, hands down. But it's a long track -- despite what people will tell you. If you want to fly a perfect Tengu, with all affecting skills, direct and indirect, totally maxed out (including AB/MWD, target painting and all related electronic skills, overheating, nanite repair paste skills, etc.), then it's gonna cost you nearly two years. I know, because I did that. It was all worth it, though.
For now, I'd just stay in your Drake and work on your missile skills (obviously) and, last but not least, your support skills -- all of which you'll need eventually anyway. --
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Jezari Maxwell
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Posted - 2011.06.05 07:44:00 -
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I dont know why no ones said it yet.
You can very easily run lvl4s in a drake, maybe not @ 3wks of playtime, but support skills and a t2 tank fit (dont even need t2 weps) and you can do it. It is slower than a Battleship, however it makes more money than lvl3s and its more fun to me, aside from the odd annoying mission where you have to kite for like 12 hrs lol
Tho when I was doing that there was no noctis so looting the 150km trail of wrecks was most of the annoyance
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Wilkco
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Posted - 2011.06.05 09:14:00 -
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I would stay with the drake and go for the Tengu.
yes it is quicker to fly the raven. but a well skilled drake can still do most lvl 4 missons
however 3/4 months down the line when you are looking to get into null sec/PVP lvl 5 cruiser is way to go. lvl5 cruiser opens up alot more options in terms of ships where Caldari BS is a pure PVE type of ship.
i went For the Raven route and wished i had gone for the Lvl 5 Crusier instead.
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Balkor Wolf
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.05 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Balkor Wolf on 05/06/2011 11:14:23 Ive been in the game for nearly two months and im only just starting to train for cruisers, spent all my time playing so far on Fitting skills (Like engineering, electronics to 5) both passive and active shield tanking skills to 4, missile and missile support skills to 4, even got tech 2 drones.
Its been a bit boring having to do all this but after 20 more days I can start working on upgrading ship types and weapons.
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Michael Eads
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Michael Eads on 07/06/2011 02:04:18 You guys changed my mind, im definitely going to stay in the Drake until I can fly a Tengu now. I just need to figure out what to blow my cash on while I wait for the skills to fly a Tengu, lol. Im making quite a bit on these level 3s in my Drake and I cant figure out what to buy now. I already rigged out my Drake and got a set of level 4 implants. Right now im training up my heavy missiles and wondering if I should remap to Int/Per or something.
By the way, the Noctis is the best thing ever. I was told it wasnt worth the cash but man its really speeding up my missioning and with my low skills I find im more often making more off the salvage than the missions themselves because im running them pretty slowly.
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Grumman Dirg
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:53:00 -
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I'd suggest stay in the Drake for a while yet. I'm doing level 4's quite comfortably in a Drake with a 3-month-old character (not this one). And that character can also fly a Hulk, so you don't need 3 months of pure PVE skills to run the lvl 4's.
I'd also suggest staying out of lowsec missioning for now. Too many PVPers stalking the PVEers looking for easy kills and you'll get creamed with only a few weeks of skills and experience.
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Darryl Ward
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:15:00 -
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I also recommend sticking with the Drake, and aiming for a Tengu. But first... max out your Drake. The Drake can do every level 4 mission, but you will need decent skills. Focus on tanking skills first, then move on to tech 2 launchers. The Drake is probably the most cost effective and skill effective missioning ship in the game, it will do level 4's, slowly, but for the skill and ISK investment the payout is incredible.
The other route you could take is to go for a battleship, either a Raven or a Rokh but skill training times on those are longer, and they cost more. Personally I like the Drake because it's more versatile and makes a good PvP ship too.
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Chris Audacity
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:43:00 -
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Like others have said build your skills up before jumping into a BS, just because you can jump into a BS doesn't mean it can be well used. Same goes with any other higher end ship. A Drake is very forgiving for lower SP players and even as you build your skills for say a BS (in this case Raven) a Drake can do Level 4 missions pretty well with some wisely invested skills as your aiming towards a BS to blow through them.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:41:00 -
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Just keep using the drake for level 4's and keep training tengu-centric skills, which is pretty easy in a drake.
A lot of people will chime in and say "not another l4 drake etc etc". **** those guys, its easy, quick, and nets enough cash to buy plexes and save for the tengu by the time you can fly it. It is a tried and true method, and I have at least 3 people in my corp who have never paid a penny for eve using that methodology.
And for the first person who cries, "yes but its more *efficient* to get a BS", all I can say is my industry toon makes mission runners look like kids at the dollar store, and trader tycoons make my industry toon look like the spare change in your ashtray. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.08 08:06:00 -
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Cipher speaks the truth. But as for your ship, definitely train up those support skills before getting into a BS. I can confirm without a doubt that the Drake will run any level 4 you care to accept, with the exception of the bonus room of Angel Extravaganza. It tanks like a beast once it's T2 fitted, and leads very well to a Tengu. Dps is a bit on the low side. But it at least has a 25m3 drone bay for a full flight of T2 light drones to deal with the webbing/scramming frigates and destroyers.
Originally by: Krutoj You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
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Obax Bannon
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:27:00 -
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A Nighthawk might also be worth thinking about. With the right skills that will take care of L4 missions.
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