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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:06:42 Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:06:11 Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:05:19 I have an out of date PC. I am going to purchase a new one. I want the new pc to be able to run 4+ accounts at the same time, so I can see them all at once and click on any of them with the mouse.
I have been told so many things I should have and need, im now very, very confussed, people have told me i need four monitors, on HD tv, its not possible, I need four graphics cards, I need two crossed all sorts. i7 proccesors, so much im being told i dont understand.
I dont mind paying quite a bit of money for it IF it does what i want it to do!
So what sort of pc would i need proccesor, card, ram etc. And what is the best way to do it four monitors or one?
My local gaming shop have recommended the following:
Power Cool Terminator Case: ú40 CIT 850 Watt PSU ú40 4GB Corsair 133 Mhz Gaming Ram x4 ú36 ú124 Graphics Card GTX 480 ú180 Mother Board to suit ú60 CPU 6 Core 3.2Ghz ú150 500GB HD ú33.99 DVDRW ú15.99 Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit ú80 ú723.98 (plus large hd tv ú300/400)
They said get a HD TV large screen and run the game four times windowed on it.
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Archbeholder
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:06:00 -
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there are new amd cpus coming out at the end of the month, i'd wait for them
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Grom Starscream
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:16:00 -
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Your local gaming shop would rip you off.
The first person to reply to this thread is trolling you. AMD is so far behind Intel now that it's just silly. AMD's new processors have zero chance to even match Intel's current offerings, let alone Ivy Bridge and Socket 2011 coming out in the next few months.
The easiest way to do what you want will be to have a quad monitor setup, imo. HD Televisions could be used for what you want to do, but monitors will give you a better experience. It's up to you to decide how to mount them, but you will need two graphics cards (in Crossfire if you go with AMD graphics or in SLI if you go with nVidia). There's no single gpu card that offers 4 display outputs, although a couple of the dual gpu on a single pcb setups do. You would get better performance out of 2 discrete GPU's either way.
Moving on ... one thing this system is going to have a lot of is heat. You want a case that can deal with heat. There are a number of options available, and it really depends on your preferences for size and noise. If size is no issue and you want the quietest solution, I would highly recommend the Coolermaster HAF X case, as the large 230mm fans used are exceptional quiet.
You'll want a Sandy Bridge core i7 if you are buying immediately. If I were going to spend the kind of money you're looking at spending, I would wait for Ivy Bridge later this year, but you really can't go wrong with the current Sandy Bridge. You'll want to get a quality motherboard and go with the Core i7 2600k, which can be easily overclocked to 4.5 Ghz without any problems at all. You'll want to go with a Corsair H70 sealed water cooling unit or a high end air cooler if you do overclock.
No reason not to go with 8GB of ram since you're going to run the game 4x
The GTX480 was a really loud and hot card that was quickly surpassed. Anyone recommending you use the 480 is just trying to steal from you basically. You could probably get by with 2 GTX 460's in SLI, but if you don't mind spending $1000 on graphics, two GTX 580's in SLI will allow you to play with everything turned up and all 4 accounts going at once.
But again ... LOL @ waiting for AMD's bullroarer. What a tool. The age of blind fanboyism has long passed. It used to be that AMD and Intel had similar offerings and it was just a matter of finding your price point and going with whichever had the best value at the price point. Now? Intel has squashed AMD like a bug. It's not even a competition anymore.
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:06:42 Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:06:11 Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:05:19 I have an out of date PC. I am going to purchase a new one. I want the new pc to be able to run 4+ accounts at the same time, so I can see them all at once and click on any of them with the mouse.
I have been told so many things I should have and need, im now very, very confussed, people have told me i need four monitors, on HD tv, its not possible, I need four graphics cards, I need two crossed all sorts. i7 proccesors, so much im being told i dont understand.
I dont mind paying quite a bit of money for it IF it does what i want it to do!
So what sort of pc would i need proccesor, card, ram etc. And what is the best way to do it four monitors or one?
My local gaming shop have recommended the following:
Power Cool Terminator Case: ú40 CIT 850 Watt PSU ú40 4GB Corsair 133 Mhz Gaming Ram x4 ú36 ú124 Graphics Card GTX 480 ú180 Mother Board to suit ú60 CPU 6 Core 3.2Ghz ú150 500GB HD ú33.99 DVDRW ú15.99 Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit ú80 ú723.98 (plus large hd tv ú300/400)
They said get a HD TV large screen and run the game four times windowed on it.
Any new gaming rig with some of the newer graphic cards and Cpu should do it with ease best solution it's 4x window mode (far easier and cheaper than 4x monitors)
Atm i'm running 2x gtx 260 sli with an AMD phenom 9950 and i can pretty much play with ease play 4x accounts as long i don't keep all res on high. Also you'll probably should be doing either mission running or minning (can be pvp but it's way more risky) so a good gaming rig from 2 years ago should work.
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debbie harrio
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:37:00 -
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Nvidia cards can only run 2 monitors, so you would need 2 of them.
AMD cards run 3, my new system will be running 2 * 6950 (flashed to 6970) with 2gb Vram on each, so 6 monitors.
and get an intel i5 2500k with a z67 board, extremely overclockable, that will give you an extra vid output also (not gaming quality but good for dotlan and ship toasting).
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Cys Root
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial They said get a HD TV large screen and run the game four times windowed on it.
This is a crap idea IMO and will equal 4 instances of EVE running in a windowed 800x600 resolution. Try EVE in 800x600 for a taste, now picture all your clients looking like that.
A 4 monitor setup would be lightyears better and as the poster above suggested, crossfire or SLI is the way to go for this. Personally i'de go for a 42 inch HDTV for my main, and 3x 24 inch LED screens above and on either side of it for my alts
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Skydell
Caldari Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:39:00 -
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Get anything i5 or up, set graphics to minimun you will be fine. Ram is the problem, otherwise you could use an older machine. The new machines, i5 and i7s have 6gigs of Ram and up.
If money is tight, go get a couple of Pentium D's. They run for around $150 refurb and with Motherboards that hold 3GB of Ram they will still be able to manage 2 clients each. From what I saw on duality though after Incarna you will want 800 MB per client. |
Admiral Stevenson33
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Grom Starscream Your local gaming shop would rip you off.
The first person to reply to this thread is trolling you. AMD is so far behind Intel now that it's just silly. AMD's new processors have zero chance to even match Intel's current offerings, let alone Ivy Bridge and Socket 2011 coming out in the next few months.
The easiest way to do what you want will be to have a quad monitor setup, imo. HD Televisions could be used for what you want to do, but monitors will give you a better experience. It's up to you to decide how to mount them, but you will need two graphics cards (in Crossfire if you go with AMD graphics or in SLI if you go with nVidia). There's no single gpu card that offers 4 display outputs, although a couple of the dual gpu on a single pcb setups do. You would get better performance out of 2 discrete GPU's either way.
Moving on ... one thing this system is going to have a lot of is heat. You want a case that can deal with heat. There are a number of options available, and it really depends on your preferences for size and noise. If size is no issue and you want the quietest solution, I would highly recommend the Coolermaster HAF X case, as the large 230mm fans used are exceptional quiet.
You'll want a Sandy Bridge core i7 if you are buying immediately. If I were going to spend the kind of money you're looking at spending, I would wait for Ivy Bridge later this year, but you really can't go wrong with the current Sandy Bridge. You'll want to get a quality motherboard and go with the Core i7 2600k, which can be easily overclocked to 4.5 Ghz without any problems at all. You'll want to go with a Corsair H70 sealed water cooling unit or a high end air cooler if you do overclock.
No reason not to go with 8GB of ram since you're going to run the game 4x
The GTX480 was a really loud and hot card that was quickly surpassed. Anyone recommending you use the 480 is just trying to steal from you basically. You could probably get by with 2 GTX 460's in SLI, but if you don't mind spending $1000 on graphics, two GTX 580's in SLI will allow you to play with everything turned up and all 4 accounts going at once.
But again ... LOL @ waiting for AMD's bullroarer. What a tool. The age of blind fanboyism has long passed. It used to be that AMD and Intel had similar offerings and it was just a matter of finding your price point and going with whichever had the best value at the price point. Now? Intel has squashed AMD like a bug. It's not even a competition anymore.
This pretty much.
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Grom Starscream There's no single gpu card that offers 4 display outputs
WRONG. Radeon HD 5000 and 6000 series cards support up to 6 monitors. HD 5770s generally come with 2 DVI and 2 display port ports, enough to run 4 monitors. As for the wanting 2 GPUs, that's also false. The high end cards by both Nvidia and AMD(Ati) usually beat a pair of lower priced cards both in performance and cost. No point in doing a crossfire or Sli unless you already have top of the line cards.
Using a large HDTV could work as well, but you will have to run each client windowed, and I would personally recommend just getting multiple smaller monitors.
As for buying a Sandy Bridge i7, while it is the most powerful Intel chip at the moment (for the desktop market at least), it's not a necessity at all. For running EvE an i5 is just fine. You can also get buy with a quad core CPU, but if you are willing to spend a little extra on a 6 core processor then go for it. You are probably going to want 6-8GB of RAM if you are going to be running multiple clients along with other programs. -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye' |
TravisWB
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:46:00 -
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I can run 3 clients at the same time on the same screen in windowed mode on a 8 year old pc.
You just need a decent multicore processor, a gob of memory and a powerful video card, prefereably two video cards.
And a large monitor or hd tv, 37".
Eve is not really a gamers pc type of game but it does put a strain on memory and video memory, so you need as much of that as you can afford.
A good sized solid state drive would also be nice.
To run 4 accounts you really should consider 2 screens, as large as you can afford.
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Painpill
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:57:00 -
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Alot of ppl here are correct in their assements, but there is an easy way to run them, but it does tend to get a little small, and it is run 1 GPU high end ofc 400 series or whatever Radeon is running, dump 2 24" monitors on your desk flip them 90 degrees most monitor support this, manual size your clients to fill top and bottom equaly on both screens, allthough its not advised in pvp as you cant see ****
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:59:00 -
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Thankyou all for your replies. These do confuse me again though so many different opinions. But I understand more keep suggestions coming!
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Darveses
printcraft
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Posted - 2011.06.05 18:02:00 -
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Personally I wouldn't run 4 accs "all visible at the same time" on anything less than 4 monitors - unless Im getting something wrong you'd have to have smaller windowed EVEs splattered across your screens, which would be rather impractical. And unpretty.
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mia mia
Caldari Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.05 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial Power Cool Terminator Case: ú40 CIT 850 Watt PSU ú40 4GB Corsair 133 Mhz Gaming Ram x4 ú36 ú124 Graphics Card GTX 480 ú180 Mother Board to suit ú60 CPU 6 Core 3.2Ghz ú150 500GB HD ú33.99 DVDRW ú15.99 Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit ú80 ú723.98 (plus large hd tv ú300/400)
You will easily be able to run 4+ accounts with that rig. It crushes mine, and I don't have any issues. The number of monitors really depends on your screen real estate. 2x 24" monitors will be more than enough unless you want to run some insane full screen action on 4x monitors. If that's the case, you'll need to get creative
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.06.05 18:28:00 -
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Do your research and keep an open mind. A top end computer can break the bank, but you don't need it. Decide on how much you are willing to spend and see how much you can get for that. IT has been awhile sense I have let any company build a computer cause you will compromise and pay more then need be. Not saying there isn't any good ones out there I just stopped bothering to look.
AMD and INTEL battle will always be going on. Run the numbers with both of them. Only put INTEL / NVIDIA together and AMD / ATI together. People will scream at me for that but just trust me you will be a lot happier in the long run.
SO far all the people I know who are running 4 plus accounts on one computer use ASUS or GIGABIT motherboards. 8 gig min ram 16 preferred. quad core or better. Obvious thing but you will have to run a 64 bit OS
I suggest 2 screens. Personal preference seems to be the rule here, mine are 2048 by 1152 24 inch.
Watch the power requirements of the video cards and the CPU. Check how well the Video Cards handle heat. Don't overclock or should I say if you are not comfortable enough to build your own computer then don't let someone else overclock it. Don't get cheap on the CPU heat sink.
Use one video card for each monitor and use SLI or Crossfire as appropriate. The means getting the right motherboard to support them.
Research Research Research is the name of the game. If you do it correctly you will love your computer. IF you do it wrong you will hate it.
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.05 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Grom Starscream AMD is so far behind Intel now that it's just silly.
completely irrelevant - CPU is usually not the bottleneck when running EVE.
I'd suggest to decide between Intel/AMD based on the sockets and buy a mid-range CPU for the socket you expect to be supported the longest.
Buy a decent motherboard.
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Creepy Goat
Collateral.
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Posted - 2011.06.05 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Creepy Goat on 05/06/2011 19:04:11
MSI P67A-GD53 B3 and the Intel Sandybridge i5-2500k. Scales exceptionally well and can easily reach 4.5-4.9Ghz with that motherboard. Best price/performance (heck it outclasses the 1156 i7s that cost twice-three times as much) and I highly doubt you'd need to upgrade for another 2 years. At most you'd just switch up to the i7-2600k if you really needed to.
e: RE your GPU, I run 2x 6870s and they scale exceptionally well. I mean the second card runs about 75-80% performance increase. Even running 4 clients at max settings i doubt your fps would drop lower than 40-50. ----
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Jeune
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.05 19:05:00 -
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My last rig could run 4 accounts in window fine while watching blu-ray on another monitor fullscreen. The specs included:
Asus P5Q-E Intel Q9550 @ 3.6 GHz 8GB Ram Radeon 5870 1GB Auzentech X-Fi Forte Windows 7 Pro 2x 24" 1080p LCD's
The current rig can handle more, but if you build a rig that has similar performance to C2Q or better.... you should be fine.
I'd plan for at least 1GB or ram per client loaded. Currently they don't use that much, but a little wiggle room is nice. I'd start with 6GB minimum for 4 clients, that way Windows and background tasks also have room to play, but 4GB may serve you.
With 4 accounts I'd recommend a quad core processor. Hyper-threading has proven useful if I'm doing other stuff with clients running (like watching a Blu-Ray, etc.) but it's not really necessary.
So far the 5870 has been OK for multiple clients plus other stuff like movies. The only time I've run into issues is if I use both monitors for EVE which allows for large window sizes. Also running another game full-screen (like Battlefield: Bad Company 2 @ max settings) is... sub-optimal. I tried that as a test and it screws the experience for both games.... duh.
If you play with sound on a dedicated sound card may help a little. It offloads only few percent off the CPU, but the bigger advantage is that a dedicated sound card can handle more channels (not to be confused with speaker channels) than integrated solutions. My personal experience with Eve is that using a dedicated card for sound allows more clients to run simultaneously without running into issues.
Good luck in your build.
~ Jeune
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.05 19:17:00 -
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Figured I'd have a look at the possibility of 2 windows split left and right on Win7. It works, but you end up with 2 1024x1001 windows that overlap in the center. Kind of annoying.. 960 wide is half of course. My Monitor is a 1920x1080.
Short of buying a 27" Dell 2560xwhatever for $999 I'd say it's impractical to split 2 clients on one Monitor, which leaves one monitor per client as your best option, or one Full Window on a primary and Secondary, and split screen on a third. Personally that's too much real estate for me, with a whole lot of seperated details.
I've cycled windows to run more than one account before, just stacked and edges showing slightly smaller than my screen Res. That was okay for what I was doing, (joint mining Op in the early days), but wouldn't work for PvP at all.
The split screen would, but it's way too much data and overlapping makes it so the overview isn't visible on left, when the right is active. EVE's awesome window clutter also becomes massively pronounced, which is what makes it really bad.
Back to your PC.. That's really pricy for what you're getting. I'd say they're charging some nice premiums. Hexacore AMD is not worth buying; go with Intel. As previously mentioned in this thread, AMD is so far behind they're lapping at Intels coat-tails for attention. Fact is AMD relies on Intel for core architecture licencing, and Intel only gives them access to limited architecture while forcing them to be creative to avoid patent violations. AMD will never be better.
Good parts of your PC:
Windows 7 - Go with Pro for the little extra. I like Green, but something about Home versions is distasteful. I don't think they really release all that is actually missing.
Actually, that's it. I'd change the rest. 480 is overpriced last Gen, I'm sure you meant 1333 RAM, your chassis is completely unknown, motherboard to suit does not qualify, 500GB HDD means it's either Samsung, Seagate, or Hitachi, DVDRW is rather vague, CIT PSU is also unknown, HDTV is rather silly.
Try another PC shop, and make sure you know what you want before you go in there, or better yet, build it yourself. PC stores are notorious for taking advantage of the ignorant. They rank right up their with Trading Card stores and Pawn shops.
I'll get back to you on this, but you might want to check out these:
http://www.evga.com http://www.falcon-nw.com/ http://www.ncix.com http://www.newegg.com http://www.petrastechshop.com/
Just to give you an idea of what's good, where to get it, and whatnot. The first link there is a good forum with lots of helpful advice when you need it.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.06.05 19:34:00 -
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Just a FYI
Eve on lowest setting can run on those cheap USB -> HDMI adapters without a problem. They're handy if your graphics card dies while you're waiting for a new one to arrive.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.05 19:40:00 -
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What you need is to WAIT!
All the common wisdom running EVE is going to either fly out of the window with Incarna or stay about the same if CCP makes CQ optional.
Wait till end of month then we¦ll see how this thread should be continued. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.05 19:43:00 -
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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-091-LG Three of these would be nice at that price
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Chronos Chi
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Chronos Chi on 05/06/2011 20:10:49 I buy all my stuff from overclockers.co.uk but I'm UK based they have excellent daily deals so sign up for their newsletter. If your not UK based then I'm sure there is a substitute company in your country but personally I would go for:
Graphics: 2 x EVGA GTX480
MoBO: 1 x EVGA P67 FTW w/ EVGauge and ECP V4
CPU: 1 x Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor
RAM: 2 x G.Skill RipJawsX 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
OS SSD (Boot drive and EvE): 1 x OCZ Agility 3 60GB 2.5" SATA-3 Solid State Hard Drive
Backup / Storage HDD: 1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 32MB Cache
Monitor: 4 x Asus VH242H 24" Widescreen LCD Multimedia Monitor
or for an extra ú20 each you can get the LED version
4 x Asus VE247H 24" Widescreen LED Multimedia Monitor
If money is no object I would seriously consider upgrading those graphics cards to the following:
2 x EVGA GeForce GTX 580 3072MB
Those cards are total overkill for EvE but if you enjoy playing the latest games with out any issues then those are the ones for you especially as you will be playing across 4 monitors.
Again if money is no object I would seriously consider getting 120Hz 3D LCD monitors as those cards are 3D enabled and it wont be long before EvE heads in that direction seeing how CCP and nVidia are partners now.
And finally....
PSU: 1 x Zalman ZM1000-HP Plus Heatpipe Cooled 1000W Modular Power Supply
Everyone will think your mad spending ú160+ on a PSU but if you buy a cheap S****Y one it wont be the that the goes pop it will be the ú1000+ kit that is connected to it that does. What would you rather replace an expensive PSU or your entire rig People are gonna shout at me for spec'ing you this setup but if you enjoy gaming, as there are other things to play apart from EvE, then you really want to future proof well for at least 6 months
Hope this helps.
Look me up in game if you need any other advice.
Chronos
p.s. I dont work for EVGA but there RMA and customer service is second to none, I recently RMA'd a 4 year old graphics card and they sent me a brand new Geforce GTX580 for my troubles.
EDIT:
Forgot to mention you're gonna need a big case as 480's and 580's are long cards
Aircooled or liquid cooled:
1 x Cooler Master HAF X Gaming Tower Case
or
1 x Silverstone RV02 Raven 2 Case
:)
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shults
Minmatar Shults Corporation of miners.
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:15:00 -
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Well i can comfortably run 6 accounts on one pc one monitor and all on max graphics no lag so it depends rearly what your pc is like then again i used same setup when i was on a old nvidia 8800 gts 512 and on windows xp and the same full graphics no lag so it depends if your pc literate and know how to squeeze everything out of your setup.
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:16:00 -
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Now that you can re-size your clients to any size you could easily get away with 2 monitors. Grab two 24 or 25 inch wide screens and fit 2 windowed clients on each.
It just depends how important your in game viewing area is but by using lower resolution then resizing you can easily fit them on 2 monitors.
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Hastrin
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:21:00 -
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its kinda working backwards this. say how much youre willing to spend on a pc and then try to get as much power in there as you can. as for what you need:
anything mainstream will do. so any gpu around the 150-200$ mark, any sandy bridge cpu, 4gb of ram, decent psu. eve is easy enough to run
as for screens. i work with 2 24" screens. this is something any modern gpu will be able to run. more screens is nice but will cost a lot of money
oh, and 850 watts is way overkill. even with a gtx480 that sucks power like a small country
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Mr M
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:32:00 -
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I would try with two vertical 1920x1080 monitors (so you have a 2160x1920 work space). Run Eve windowed 2x2.
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Leianna
Carebear Mafia Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Grom Starscream Your local gaming shop would rip you off.
The first person to reply to this thread is trolling you. AMD is so far behind Intel now that it's just silly. AMD's new processors have zero chance to even match Intel's current offerings, let alone Ivy Bridge and Socket 2011 coming out in the next few months.
The easiest way to do what you want will be to have a quad monitor setup, imo. HD Televisions could be used for what you want to do, but monitors will give you a better experience. It's up to you to decide how to mount them, but you will need two graphics cards (in Crossfire if you go with AMD graphics or in SLI if you go with nVidia). There's no single gpu card that offers 4 display outputs, although a couple of the dual gpu on a single pcb setups do. You would get better performance out of 2 discrete GPU's either way.
Moving on ... one thing this system is going to have a lot of is heat. You want a case that can deal with heat. There are a number of options available, and it really depends on your preferences for size and noise. If size is no issue and you want the quietest solution, I would highly recommend the Coolermaster HAF X case, as the large 230mm fans used are exceptional quiet.
You'll want a Sandy Bridge core i7 if you are buying immediately. If I were going to spend the kind of money you're looking at spending, I would wait for Ivy Bridge later this year, but you really can't go wrong with the current Sandy Bridge. You'll want to get a quality motherboard and go with the Core i7 2600k, which can be easily overclocked to 4.5 Ghz without any problems at all. You'll want to go with a Corsair H70 sealed water cooling unit or a high end air cooler if you do overclock.
No reason not to go with 8GB of ram since you're going to run the game 4x
The GTX480 was a really loud and hot card that was quickly surpassed. Anyone recommending you use the 480 is just trying to steal from you basically. You could probably get by with 2 GTX 460's in SLI, but if you don't mind spending $1000 on graphics, two GTX 580's in SLI will allow you to play with everything turned up and all 4 accounts going at once.
But again ... LOL @ waiting for AMD's bullroarer. What a tool. The age of blind fanboyism has long passed. It used to be that AMD and Intel had similar offerings and it was just a matter of finding your price point and going with whichever had the best value at the price point. Now? Intel has squashed AMD like a bug. It's not even a competition anymore.
I agree with a couple points here. The i7 2600 or 2600K if you want to OC, are a decent price to performance. A solid motherboard is a must. Ideally, go with the best motherboard and CPU you can afford, if you have trouble putting together funds for the full 'dream build', at least your CPU and board will be up there, and you can fit the other remaining pieces in as time goes on (more RAM, better HDD's / SSD's, higher vid card(s) etc..)
However, Grom, time will tell. Current info is that the bulldozer flagship CPU will match the i7 2600, but at a better pricepoint. Time will tell though, and so far, AMD has always seemed to make the lesser high end chip. Still, when dealing with the performance levels these CPUs run at, AMD performs just as well during gameplay as intel, but for a far better price. Also, whoever gave you your info on no single GPU card being 4 screen capable is incorrect. There are plenty of cards avalable that can run 3 or more, single card, single GPU. Heck, theres even a 6-screen version HD5870 2GB GDDR5 vid card available for half the cost you are quoting above.
One last point for the OP: Grom mentions gaming shops ripping you off, but if you have a local PC shop that offers custom builds (in the off chance you are local to me, send me a message ingame and let me know where you are from, I may be able to help you out) they can most likely help you with the finer details of designing a machine, building it for you, etc..
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:48:00 -
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E8400 @ 4Ghz (H2o) MSI 570GTX 1 Dell 27" monitor
6 accounts @ 1680x1050 @ high shaders/textures/LoD/HDR/shadows
1 happy customer.
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Troezar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:54:00 -
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Chronos Chi is on the right lines but I would recommend an i5 2500k(you don't need the hyperthreading of an i7) an MSI GD65 motherboard, crossfire 6870 graphics or maybe a 6970 if you wanted a single card. RAM go for 1600MHz XMS3 2 x 4GB is only ú65 atm. A decent 850W PSU like Antec or Corsair.
Join the OCUK forums for some advice, they are a good choice to buy from too www.overclockers.co.uk not always the cheapest but decent advice/customer support.
Do not buy from a local shop, that spec they gave you is poor and overpriced for what it is.
As also suggested research the demands of the incoming changes to EVE you may want to up the spec to 2 x 6950 gpu's ;)
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:57:00 -
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Spec's I just came up with and posted for review over on the EVGA forums. Might be a little pricy to go nvidia, but the ATi package doesn't look too bad at all.
2 EVGA 470 SC w/backplates http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-127-EA&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1810
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1 XFX Radeon 6950 XXX http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-194-XF&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1752
ASUS P8P67 Pro (Nvidia option) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-443-AS&tool=5
or
ASUS P8P67 (ATi Option) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-447-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1906
Intel i7 2600K http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-365-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=1859
G.Skill RipjawsX 8GB Kit http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-062-GS
4 WD Caviar Blue 6Gb/s in RAID 1+0 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-370-WD&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=1953
LG 22x DVD+RW SATA http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-090-LG&groupid=701&catid=10&subcat=951
CM690 II Lite Dominator Case http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-212-CM&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=29
PC Power & Cooling 910W Silencer (80Plus Silver) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-010-PP&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1962
Windows 7 Home 64-bit OEM http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SW-127-MS
or
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit OEM http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SW-129-MS&groupid=33&catid=1555&subcat=
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Splash Whale
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.05 21:08:00 -
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You don't need insane setups to run 4 clients on highest settings.
I Myself use an old Core 2 Duo E6600, 4GB of RAM and an ati Radeon 4870. In addition to that I have 2 22" HD screens.
I often run 4 clients with high settings on my computer, and what I just usually do is have 2 clients on each screen. Maximum heigh, minimum width.
For me it works best like that, since I am able to see all of the overviews of the characters.
If you don't have money to burn, don't bother getting anything fancy. If I can run 4 eve clients on maximum settings on a 4 year old cheap desktop, you can run 4 on maximum on a brand new cheap desktop.
therefor I would say to just get a cheap quadcore, a second hand ATi 58xx (They hardly cost anything nowadays) and atleast 4GB of ram. Next to that a set of decent 22" or 24" monitors. Having monitors bigger then that is just a waste of money in my opinion, but that's just personal ofcourse.
You don't need fancy 800w+ PSU's and flashy ass-whips coming out of your computer.... Just save yourself some money so you can get a better mouse and that shiny body-kit you always wanted on your car. ----
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JAG Shadow
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Posted - 2011.06.05 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: JAG Shadow on 05/06/2011 21:20:32
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.05 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Splash Whale You don't need insane setups to run 4 clients on highest settings.
I Myself use an old Core 2 Duo E6600, 4GB of RAM and an ati Radeon 4870. In addition to that I have 2 22" HD screens.
I often run 4 clients with high settings on my computer, and what I just usually do is have 2 clients on each screen. Maximum heigh, minimum width.
For me it works best like that, since I am able to see all of the overviews of the characters.
If you don't have money to burn, don't bother getting anything fancy. If I can run 4 eve clients on maximum settings on a 4 year old cheap desktop, you can run 4 on maximum on a brand new cheap desktop.
therefor I would say to just get a cheap quadcore, a second hand ATi 58xx (They hardly cost anything nowadays) and atleast 4GB of ram. Next to that a set of decent 22" or 24" monitors. Having monitors bigger then that is just a waste of money in my opinion, but that's just personal ofcourse.
You don't need fancy 800w+ PSU's and flashy ass-whips coming out of your computer.... Just save yourself some money so you can get a better mouse and that shiny body-kit you always wanted on your car.
Not that I entirely disagree with everything you say, but I fail to see the flashy ass-whip in my set-up. Actually, that PC is toned down a bit from what I'd generally recommend, and can be further scaled down without messing up compatibility. Downgrading the CPU for example, going with Home Premium, the P8P67 and ATi option, scale down the ATi card if you like, and 2GB RAM that is compatible with the motherboard/CPU rating in at 1333MHz stock frequency, with higher capabilities.
The PSU and chassis I wouldn't mess with as it is actually pretty much the best for the dollar. Reasonable price for both, and given availability pretty good quality. 80Plus Silver guarantee's efficiency and stable power for the PC, and the CM 690 II is a solid chassis that doesn't look like crap, with good airflow for that price.
I'd never buy a second hand GPU. You never know where it's been, and there is no warranty. Stepping down to a 5870 or something is easy and cuts the cost in half, very nearly, new. Save money that way if you like, but not by randomly picking something up that might have been cooked in an oven off ebay.
I never verified compatibility on that RAM either, but it's designed for the 1155 P67 so it should be fine. It's also cheaper than that Corsair up there I think.
You can also drop 2, or 3 HDD's and go with RAID 1 or 0, or no RAID. If you do that, you won't need 4x SATA 6Gb/s on your board. ATi single card allows you to drop the req. of more than 1 PCIe slot, or run 16 lanes on 1 if available.
Personally, I like my 1156 platform and pretty much think almost everything for 1155 is scrap and should be sent back to the manufacturer. I can't believe that i7 actually has integrated video on it. I'd also go with the 2600 if I were to go 1155, as I see no need for the unlocked K, and don't like that it was stripped down.
End result is the OP's call in the end. They know how much they're willing to spend, and what they're going to use it for. I never assume just EVE. That would be kind of sad actually. I find it somewhat disconcerting that I can't use my system for much more than playing games and Internet forums. Wish I had something else to do with it, like maybe 3D Modeling to make it worth it, but $5000 is stupid expensive for a hobby art program.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.05 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 05/06/2011 22:19:05
Originally by: Simetraz Only put INTEL / NVIDIA together and AMD / ATI together.
not quite. you can use intel chipsets so that you can put either ATI or NV in the board (or both, if you want your ATI card to use physx from a 8800). intel chipsets run both brands perfectly good in both single and multiple card setups ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.05 22:22:00 -
[36]
I'd reply but I find your cleavage too distracting.
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.05 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 22:34:50 Option from a friend in game:
CASE:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112308
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812111030
MOTHERBOARD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131702
GRAPHICS CARDS: 2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150517
POWER SUPPLY: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139007
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Internet Knight
The Kobayashi Maru
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Posted - 2011.06.05 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Internet Knight on 05/06/2011 23:14:34
Originally by: Ladrial I dont mind paying quite a bit of money for it IF it does what i want it to do!
Nothing wrong with that.
Originally by: Ladrial I want the new pc to be able to run 4+ accounts at the same time, so I can see them all at once and click on any of them with the mouse.
No offense, but you should get your priorities in order. That said, you don't require a supercomputer by today's standards. You do require something definitely above average.
All that being said, I have an i7 920 at stock speed, 18 GB DDR3 RAM, and a Radeon 4890 with dual 23" 1080p monitors. It runs two accounts fairly nicely. I seem to have an issue with one account not loading graphics properly, but I suspect that's just a "reset your cache" issue (and really a reset your cache issue and not one of those reset your cache issue because we don't care to look into the issue further).
I would say a core i7 (higher number is better if you don't want to overclock) on a 1366 socket and NOT an 1156. The technical reason here is because that typically enables you to have triple-channel RAM instead of dual-channel RAM, which means more data transfer from RAM to the CPU for the clock cycle. It's possible but very rare in my experience to have triple channel on 1156 socket. I'd go with a minimum of 12 GB RAM, but more is better. I definitely agree that four instances of eve means four monitors. Unfortunately that requires you to go dual video card or better as well. I'm not partial to Intel, but I've never used AMD processors, so I couldn't tell you what to go there.
I'm an ATI fanboi, so I'd say a dual Radeon 6xxx series. The higher number is better, and each individual number means a different thing. The first digit is the technology series, the second number is basically the speed of the card and the third number is basically the speed of the video RAM. Pick something you like. If unlimited money is the budget, then definitely a dual 6990. Whatever you pick, make sure you pick something where both cards have 2GB or more video RAM. Good luck with that. I don't know anything about Nvidia cards (a shame, because a real fan should know the competition).
As for operating system, definitely Windows 7. I personally would go Ultimate just because I use my computer That Much to necessitate it, but whatever version floats your boat as long as it's 64 bit Windows 7. If you don't go 64 bit, you won't be able to access the rest of your RAM and you therefore won't have enough RAM to run all four instances.
Anyways, that's my two cents for stock speeds. If you're not opposed to overclocking, then that's another matter. I personally overclocked my RAM to 1333MHz (Intel Core iX seems to think that DDR3 @ 1066MHz is plenty fast enough, even though there's tons of RAM rated to as high as 1600MHz without a significant price it).
In all, we're looking at in the range of $3000 to $4000 depending on specifics (monitor and video card choice being the key factor in price IMO). ---
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.06.05 23:38:00 -
[39]
I have a new rig for my main comp. It is an Intel i7 running 12GB DDR 3 RAM and a Radeon 6970 and it CAN run 6 screens.
But, I only run 2 client on one monitor and I alt-tab. I run another client on my Dell M1750 laptop and then another 2 clients stacked on top of another on my second computer that is a Core2Duo with 8GB of DDR2 RAM and a Radeon HD2900 XT. I use a nifty program called Synergy to seamlessly use the main comps keyboard and mouse on all 3 comps just like it was the same comp running multiple monitors. You could build 2 cheaper comps running 2 screens a piece and use Synergy which is a free program. ------------------------------------------
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Raneru
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.06.06 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Raneru on 06/06/2011 00:07:33 If you're going to spend a fortune on a new pc, don't go cheap on the PSU. If that fails you could end up with a long list of parts to replace. Check online reviews and pick the best your budget can allow.
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Lenore Leelu
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:06:42 Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:06:11 Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:05:19 I have an out of date PC. I am going to purchase a new one. I want the new pc to be able to run 4+ accounts at the same time, so I can see them all at once and click on any of them with the mouse.
I have been told so many things I should have and need, im now very, very confussed, people have told me i need four monitors, on HD tv, its not possible, I need four graphics cards, I need two crossed all sorts. i7 proccesors, so much im being told i dont understand.
I dont mind paying quite a bit of money for it IF it does what i want it to do!
So what sort of pc would i need proccesor, card, ram etc. And what is the best way to do it four monitors or one?
My local gaming shop have recommended the following:
Power Cool Terminator Case: ú40 CIT 850 Watt PSU ú40 4GB Corsair 133 Mhz Gaming Ram x4 ú36 ú124 Graphics Card GTX 480 ú180 Mother Board to suit ú60 CPU 6 Core 3.2Ghz ú150 500GB HD ú33.99 DVDRW ú15.99 Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit ú80 ú723.98 (plus large hd tv ú300/400)
They said get a HD TV large screen and run the game four times windowed on it.
I do two 1920*1200 on a 27" iMac (bootcamped with windows 7). Reduce your window sizes, and perhaps your graphics settings a little, and I cant see why you cant have 4 windows up.
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Grom Starscream
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:19:00 -
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Poor Ladrial ... so much contradictory information just in this thread.
I re-iterate the recommendation to go with a core i7-2600k instead of the i5-2500k. You're looking at a small price difference so get they i7 and hyperthreading. Some may think you don't need it, but it won't hurt and it's a small jump in price for something you could make use of going forward.
I still stick by what I said about video cards. There are some cards (apparently) with gobs of hookups, but I'm fairly certain if you are trying to run EVE to four separate monitors (so you can reasonably see all 4 accounts at once clearly), you're going to want the power of two video cards anyway. At this point, it's rather up to personal choice. I recommended the two GTX 580's in SLI because I run one of them and it's hands down the best video card I've ever owned. It runs quite cool too (high 50's under heavy load).
I think that this thread has devolved into too much opinion and too little fact for you. So, I'm going to give you a link : http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=138127
That's a forum post at the penny-arcade website, and it's current a 92 page long affair ... if you re-post your original post there, and ask for a guy named "Alecthar" to help you, he will come along and give you links to every part along with an explanation of what it will do for your purposes. He plays no favorites when it comes to manufacturers and he never tells you to get more than you need. Just tell him what you want to do with it, and your budget, and he will give you something that is guaranteed to do the job and to work great.
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Mortania
Minmatar No Compromise Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.06 02:29:00 -
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I find this card just fine to run more than two monitors: http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5870-eyefinity-6-edition/Pages/overview.aspx
I've only personally run 3 monitors with it, but it is supposed to run 6 just fine and given that it has 6 identical inputs on the back, I believe it will.
You're getting a lot of answers all over the place because your initial requirements are a little vague. 4 clients at what rez, each on a sep monitor, doing what sort of activity in EVE, etc. Depending upon how snappy and how beautiful each client needs to be, the amount of power you need changes a lot.
If you just need 4 clients that you can monitor simultaneously, rez and speed be damned, then you don't need much of a computer at all. RAM, as has been mentioned, is the key here; 4gb+, and likely 6gb is really your only real requirement here. Every other thing mentioned in this thread is optional depending upon how well you want each of those clients to run and how much res you want each client to run at.
Min spec: A computer w/ a monitor and 4+gb RAM.
Salt to taste.
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Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
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Posted - 2011.06.06 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grom Starscream
I re-iterate the recommendation to go with a core i7-2600k instead of the i5-2500k. You're looking at a small price difference so get they i7 and hyperthreading. Some may think you don't need it, but it won't hurt and it's a small jump in price for something you could make use of going forward.
A little more cash for a little better performance is OK, I guess, but with Ivy Bridge coming soon, I'd still recommend something moderately cheap that can be replaced in a few months if you need that extra processing power.
Quote: I still stick by what I said about video cards. There are some cards (apparently) with gobs of hookups, but I'm fairly certain if you are trying to run EVE to four separate monitors (so you can reasonably see all 4 accounts at once clearly), you're going to want the power of two video cards anyway. At this point, it's rather up to personal choice. I recommended the two GTX 580's in SLI because I run one of them and it's hands down the best video card I've ever owned. It runs quite cool too (high 50's under heavy load).
Once again. GTX 580's in SLI mode will only run 3 monitors using Nvidia Surround. If you want 4 ports you have to run the cards unlinked. Also for multiple monitors, memory capacity is the real bottleneck ahead of raw processing power. On a more subjective note, "I have it, so you should too' is something of a weak argument. If you are looking for the absolute best performance and aren't using more than 2 or 3 monitors, Nvidia's offerings are excellent, especially in SLI mode, but if you are wanting to run many monitors, Ati wins, since you can run up to 6 screens off one card and you still have the option to go with multiple cards. -Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye' |
Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.06 03:34:00 -
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Take this with a grain of salt of course, but here's an Eyefinity option you might like. All monitors have Display Port Connectability. Setup would be 3x1 Portrait Set-up, with the option of stacking 1024 wide on each display. Only the one GPU is needed, and it has multiple Native Display port outs, compatible with Eyefinity 6.
CPU, Cooler, Memory and Motherboard are of course optional, but keep in mind that this is the only available memory from ocUK that I have confirmed to be compatible with this motherboard. Any Bundle will do, for the most part, provided it has the PCIe 2.0 x16 capability on the motherboard. This one was chosen for the greater bandwidth and stability it offers.
I didn't find a decent offering for 1156 there, so I bypassed the obviously faulty P67 bChipset, and went straight to the Z68, which unfortunately has less support being new. The chassis is nice, and a Gold Certified Modular PSU is awesome. Should be more than enough to handle the load of the PC, and optimal efficiency is almost always found around 50% load on a PSU.
Some is just suggestions. The key is the GPU and the Monitors. Good Luck with your build, whatever you decide.
ASUS ATI Radeon HD 6950 DirectCU II 173.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-255-AS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1752
3 ASUS VE276Q 27" Widescreen LCD (Display Port Input) 259.99 inc VAT. Total: 779.97 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-030-AS&groupid=17&catid=1120&subcat=
Corsair Graphite 600T 129.98 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-043-CS&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=1489
Corsair AX850 80Plus Gold Certified Modular PSU 157.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-028-CS&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1084
Corsair Hydro H60 High Performance CPU Cooler 59.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-006-CS
Intel Core i7-2600 221.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-359-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=1859
Gigabyte Z68X-UD7 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard 289.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-338-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1990
OCZ Platinum 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C7 1333MHz Dual Channel Kit 39.98 in VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-177-OC&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1516
2 Western Digital Caviar Black 750GB SATA 6 Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM 59.99 inc VAT Total: 119.98 inc VAT RAID 1 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-372-WD&groupid=1657&catid=1660&subcat=1952
LG BH10LS30 10x BluRay-RW / 16x DVD+RW Drive 88.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CD-106-LG
Razer DeathAdder Respawn 3500dpi Xtreme Precision Gaming Mouse 44.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-043-RA
Razer Lycosa Gaming Keyboard 62.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-033-RA&groupid=702&catid=23&subcat=1258
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit OEM 149.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SW-131-MS
Creative T6160 5.1 Speaker System 53.99 inc VAT http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SP-121-CL&groupid=702&catid=22&subcat=165
Total: 2374.81 inc VAT
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.06 04:31:00 -
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Forgot to leave you with a link, so you can do a bit of research of your own.
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.06 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 06/06/2011 04:47:36 Get a BOXX
Once you go 30 cores, and over 100Gb of ram, you never go back
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San Severina
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.06 06:34:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ladrial Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 22:49:50 Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 22:37:27 Ok thanks for the info so far I would be willing to spend ú2500 inc tv/monitors but that's if I need to, I have never seen the game with a great PC and still enjoy it so....
you crazy assed pommy, keep that figure under your hat, you shouldn't need to spend anything like that even with 3 24"Monitors. Good luck & remember buying a PC that is overpowered is just a waste of $$, get a good mid ranged setup & make it sing.
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Adrie Atticus
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2011.06.06 07:36:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Adrie Atticus on 06/06/2011 07:37:34 I'll re-iterate this thread:
WAA WAA MY COMPUTER IS FASTER AND MANUFACTURER X IS BETTER THAN Y!
Now, when you build the rig, start from the parts which you will be interacting with, e.g. the displays, mouse and keyboard. Display real-estate is your first concerd, running 4 clients on 2x24" means that you run 1 client at a 12" screen with 960x540 resolution. Is this enough? If not, upgrade the monitos to 2560x1600 or buy 4 in total. Going for 4 monitors either requires SLI from nVidia or eieinfinity from ATi. If you go for 2 displays, you can just place them on your desk quite easily, but 4 monitors require a stand of some sort, these go from ú60 upwards depending on the weight limits. Also your displays need to support the VESA mounting standard.
Keyboard and mouse should be the most comfortable ones you've ever met because you still will be using them to input data, a ú5 SUPERLASERMOUSE isn't going to cut it, consider upgrading.
After you've done all the ergonomic thinking and designing, come back to us with the question about what rig you should be buying.
Also, one EvE client eats with HDD caching a total of 800-900 megs of ram, caching on it's about 1,5-1,8 gigs, so you need 8 gigs at least.
Originally by: San Severina Edited by: San Severina on 06/06/2011 07:08:10
Originally by: Ladrial Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 22:49:50 Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 22:37:27 Ok thanks for the info so far I would be willing to spend ú2500 inc tv/monitors but that's if I need to, I have never seen the game with a great PC and still enjoy it so....
you crazy assed pommy, keep that figure under your hat, you shouldn't need to spend anything like that even with 3 24"Monitors. Good luck & remember buying a PC that is overpowered is just a waste of $$, get a good mid ranged setup & make it sing.
Here's my setup :D (I wish)
5x1 Eyefinity Awesome
*Good monitors eat ú1500 from that budget.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.06 07:43:00 -
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If you want to fit all 4 accounts on one screen, here's a hint: Minimum client height is 768 pix, not 720, so a 27" monitor with 2560x1440 will not be enough, you'll have to get a 30" with 2560x1600.
Needless to say, a normal HD TV doesn't have near the resolution you'll need. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
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Sub System
Caldari Is It Worth It
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Posted - 2011.06.06 07:52:00 -
[51]
Right now, I can run 4 clients all on medium settings on my computer which is an AMD Phenom X2 3.2ghz with 4gb RAM and a HD 5770 card. The card has 2 DVI, 1 HDMI and 1 other display port I can't recall. Although I am not sure it can run 4 simultaneous displays, but it can run 3.
Of course buying all those sandy and ivy bridges will give you higher performance, but as someone said before the CPU is not the bottleneck here. Buy a Quad core CPU which comes for a decent price and spend your money on RAM, put your game on an SSD and get a good graphics card.
I dont know about others but I have faced a lot of trouble with SLI/Crossfire while playing games. A lot of games dont support them properly. Hell a lot of games dont support 6-core processors properly and most people end up disable multiple core support. I would recommend either a HD 6990 or a GTX 580.
Alternatively, also look at http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/ - They have quite a few fantastic products for multi-monitor fun.
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Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.06 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Wa''roun on 06/06/2011 07:55:33 This ISBoxer program has been around a long time. I never got around to messing with it as I never had the money to spend on so many accounts across multiple games. You can watch the video and read/view photos. It allows you to have multiple windows on one screen at a time, dependent on your system.
I used to use the EQ Play Nice program with EQ 1 when I played it using two accounts.
http://isboxer.com/
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.06 08:11:00 -
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No one repled so I'll assume no one knew what the hell I was talking about. http://www.boxxtech.com/products/3DBOXX/7600_Overview.asp
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 08:23:00 -
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I run two clients full detail (with AA off) on an old Athlon X2 5200+; GTX260; 4GB RAM. Average FPS on both clients is > 40 at all times. I also tested three clients on that machine and it was also fine.
The PC doesn't have to be top notch. What you need is enough memory and 4 display outputs.
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King Pleasure
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Posted - 2011.06.06 08:31:00 -
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As has already been mentioned you don't need a super computer to run 4 eve clients at one time. In terms of ease of use and control though, you shouldn't overlook Innerspace + ISBoxer. The quick swapping window layout makes a world of difference when you're multi-boxing. Yeah, there is a subscription fee but it's fairly small.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 09:59:00 -
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Obviously this thread has become more of a d!ck measuring contest than anything.
All the peeps telling you how they can run 4 clients with a Pentium NO-PROBLEMO are talking about the current client!
There simply is no telling what juice the EVE client will end up needing. I recently made the same mistake and stupidly upgraded to only a dual processor 3.2GHz Phenom and a single SISI client runs both cores at almost full power.
Wait till we see if CCP permanently makes this damn Captains Quarters optional, then listen to the NEW whines about nothing works how it once did.
And then decide if you even want to bother with this game anymore. Yeas I mad. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Mixed Signals
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
I recently made the same mistake and stupidly upgraded to only a dual processor 3.2GHz Phenom and a single SISI client runs both cores at almost full power.
You're kidding right? Do you even have a graphics card?
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Mograph
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ladrial Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:06:42] I want the new pc to be able to run 4+ accounts at the same time, so I can see them all at once and click on any of them with the mouse.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mixed Signals
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
dual processor 3.2GHz Phenom II and a single SISI client runs both cores at almost full power.
You're kidding right? Do you even have a graphics card?
ATI 4670 1gig, nothing special. But not that crap either. Got it a while ago mainly to get a quieter card and not blow up my PSU while still having decent performance.
I suggest you make a copy of your normal client, get the SISI launcher and point it to the copy. It¦ll patch up quicker and you can see for yourself how your sys handles the current CQ. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:34:00 -
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mograph
Originally by: Ladrial Edited by: Ladrial on 05/06/2011 17:06:42] I want the new pc to be able to run 4+ accounts at the same time, so I can see them all at once and click on any of them with the mouse.
So you can run 4 macros at the same time?
Thanks for the input mate really helpful cheers, If i was doing that Id just alt tab wouldnt I, and wouldnt care what it looked like!
Well i guess a previous poster summed it up well im just more confussed than before. Thanks everyone lol
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Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Wa''roun on 06/06/2011 16:17:06
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Wait till we see if CCP permanently makes this damn Captains Quarters optional, then listen to the NEW whines about nothing works how it once did.
"if"?
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:33:00 -
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After a long chat with a very helpfull player in game he has cooked me up this new P.C on budget at around ú2500 all in to play 4 accounts on on HD LCD tv. We have included this and the speakers and stuff so the Mrs can also watch TV/Bluerays on it. He assures me this will "Kick-ass":
BOARD 1 ASUS SABERTOOTH P67 (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Mother Board $219.99
MOUSE 1 Logitech G500 10 Buttons Dual-mode Scroll Wheel USB Wired Laser Gaming Mouse $58.99
KEYBOARD 1 LG 42" 1080p 120Hz LED-LCD HDTV 42LV5500 $989.99
RAM 2 X CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Desktop Memory $269.98
FAN 2 X Scythe SY1225SL12M 120mm "Slipstream" Case Fan $37.98
1 CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $229.99
1 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit 1-Pack $139.99
1 Intel 320 Series SSDSA2CW120G3K5 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $239.99
1 CORSAIR Hydro H70 CWCH70 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler $104.81
CPU 1 Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop $314.99
1 Arctic Silver ASTA-7G (2-PC-SET) Premium Silver Thermal Adhesive $14.99
1 MONSTER MP HTS 1000 MKIII 8 ft. 8 Outlets 6125 joules Home Theater PowerCenter HTS 1000 MKIII with Clean Power Stage 2 $138.99
1 Logitech G19 Black USB Wired Standard Gaming Keyboard $169.99
1 Logitech Z506 75 watts RMS 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers $89.99
CARDS 2 X (XFX HD-697A-CNFC Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity) $699.98
1 ASUS Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BW-12B1LT LightScribe Support $119.99
1 LIAN LI PC-V1020B Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $229.99
1Western Digital Caviar Black WDBAAZ0020HNC-NRSN 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Retail $149.99
3 Scythe Slip Stream Kaze Maru2 140 series SM1425SL12M 140mm Case Fan $38.97
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Hauling Hal
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Posted - 2011.06.06 21:28:00 -
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I ran 3 on a ATI AMD 4850 and an Intel E5200 with 2 GB RAM. Just get separate installs and set the graphics on the 3 non-main accounts to lower settings.
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Doshan Ri
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Posted - 2011.06.06 22:09:00 -
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They say a pic is worth a thousand words, so:
This is with two clients running in windowed mode @ 1920x1200 on a 24" LCD.
Every option on the display and graphics tab is checked except for low quality characters and all other options are set to high. I have anti-aliasing off as frankly, at the resolution I run, the bit of jaggies don't bother me. Yes I have set it as high as 16xQ and while the ships do look nice when zoomed in right on top of them, I play zoomed out quite a bit so AA doesn't make much sense.
The rest of the system: Core i7 930 @ 2.80Ghz (no I'm not OC'ing it at the moment) Gigabyte X58A-UD3R rev. 2.0 6Gb of G-Skill ram Corsair TX750W Power Supply
The CPU, board and ram were a bundle from newegg bought to replace a dead Core 2 board/cpu, the 8800GTX was bought new in 2007 for around $600-$700 bucks, don't remember exactly but I'd say it was money well spent as here it is 2011 and still kicking.
cpu utilization is a massive 5% and system memory is at 3.43Gb used.
I run two eve directories, called C:\EVE1 and C:\EVE2, because it's what "I" like to do. Top three processes in task manager right now are: CCP ExeFile using 806,876k of memory CCP ExeFile using 744,104k of memory firefox.exe using 345,132k of memory ( I have 21 tabs open, yeah I said 21 tabs)
GPUz is the bomb
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Ladrial
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Posted - 2011.06.11 17:20:00 -
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I have now been quoted this: for just over ú1000 (ú1050 inc Vat):
COOLERMASTER CM-690 II LITE BLACK 3 x 120MM Case Fans XILENCE 800WATT Power Supply INTEL CORE I5 2500K (3.30GHZ, 6MB CACHE) Thermaltake Contac 29 120mm CPU Cooler ASUS P8P67 Motherboard ( Support upto 16GB RAM ) 8GB PC12800 1600MHZ DDR3 RAM ( 2 x 4GB ) ATI RADEON HD 6870 1GB PCI-E GRAPHICS CARD ( Support upto 2 Display ) http://www.amd.com/uk/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6870/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6870-overview.aspx#2 ATI RADEON HD 6850 1GB PCI-E GRAPHICS CARD ( Support upto 2 Display ) http://www.amd.com/uk/products/desktop/graphics/amd-radeon-hd-6000/hd-6850/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6850-overview.aspx#2 SONY OPTIARC 24X SATA DVD BURNER 1000GB S-ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive 2 x USB 2.0 Ports on Front 4 x USB 2.0 Ports on Back 2 x USB 3.0 Ports on Back 10/100/1000 Gigabit Network 8 Chanel HD Audio MICROSOFT 64BIT WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM
Do you guys see this as being up to the job I take it this will need four monitors and not on plasma tv.
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