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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:11:00 -
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Need some advice, looked all over and cannot find a fit.. Basically i have a scanning alt and a salvager alt for Class 1 wh's, im trying to get a tengu fit that is faster at cleaning out class 1 wh's solo over my nighthawk, i guess biggest problem is i get swarmed with frigates and they neut the crap out of me, sometimes i have to warp out, lol i know.
Now i could do a full faction fit over the top tank, but im trying to get a fit that is just enough tank and everything else pumped into dps, need some advice please. class 1's only
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:28:00 -
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If you're doing C1s, you could probably use T2 Assault launchers with precision missiles over HMLs....
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:42:00 -
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Or use a drake...
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:08:00 -
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get a BS and fit Smartbombs - Nulla Curas |
Headerman
Minmatar Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:16:00 -
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Canes work fine too, even solo.
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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:58:00 -
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So can someone actually help me with a decent tengu fit instead of these lol replies. thanks
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Niveon
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:12:00 -
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Take a T2 fit c3 tengu, swap out as many rigs, mids and lows used for tank for dps applying ones. You have the minimum tank number required from your nighthawk experience, even if one is passive and the other active+AB. Profit? |
Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Niveon Take a T2 fit c3 tengu, swap out as many rigs, mids and lows used for tank for dps applying ones. You have the minimum tank number required from your nighthawk experience, even if one is passive and the other active+AB. Profit?
I have tried this, problem is Class 1 actually neuts more then class 3, that is the big issue here, i know how to fit ships in general and i never have fitting problems, but to find the best overall efficient tengu fit for class 1 is not so easy that is why im asking on here, someone who has been in my situation.
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:25:00 -
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bro if you are having problems in a C1 then it's not a better ship that will solve your problem. it's better skills. Run it in a passive tanked Drake. Tengu's are too expensive to use in a C1.
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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Larrza on 07/06/2011 17:34:29
Originally by: Torothin bro if you are having problems in a C1 then it's not a better ship that will solve your problem. it's better skills. Run it in a passive tanked Drake. Tengu's are too expensive to use in a C1.
I have max tengu skills.. please read what i posted. I can fit a tengu to do class 1's, i am looking for one that is overall "better" isk per hour over my nighthawk. The fit's that are "better" isk per hour over my nighthawk seem to get neuted to death.
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:48:00 -
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The risk/reward for a C1 and a Tengu/Nighthawk is not worth it though. I advise you to go to Failheap and check their setups. Pretty solid Tengu fits there.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:56:00 -
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Kind of amazingly counterproductive to ask for a better fit without showing the current fit and stats. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Larrza on 07/06/2011 20:18:24
Originally by: Cipher Jones Kind of amazingly counterproductive to ask for a better fit without showing the current fit and stats.
Very true
[Nighthawk]
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile) Improved Cloaking Device II
2x Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
4x Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II
2x Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
5x Hornet EC-300
in eft damage, 498.52 DPS tank 284.06 DPS Cap Stable 73% Only have ECM drones on it incase of a wtf situation as normal drones suck for sleepers solo. This can tank Class 1 sleepers with ease, shields go to about 60% at most.
[Tengu]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile)
2x Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster 2x Shield Boost Amplifier II
4x Ballistic Control System II
2x Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
in eft damage, 568.72 DPS tank 305.47 DPS DPS Cap Stable 41%
This can tank even better then the nighthawk as it never goes bellow 85% shield, dps is far better but it seems to get neuted fully at certain times which requires a warp out. i know someone will say just change the rigs, and im sure that will fix a chunk of my issue, but im just looking for someone who has a better understanding of subsystems mixed with modules to come up with a sweet c1 fit for a tengu. it seems to be a big ask though >.>
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:43:00 -
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Edit those to be EFT importable fits and you might get luckier. |
Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.07 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edit those to be EFT importable fits and you might get luckier.
My bad, should be fixed now.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.06.07 21:18:00 -
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[Tengu, Tengu C1 Pve] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Obvious answer is obvious
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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess [Tengu, Tengu C1 Pve] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Obvious answer is obvious
looks far over tanked and having to have cap boosters in a wormhole is not very efficient but it does have good dps and fixes the problem, so not bad, thanks.
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grumpyguts1
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Posted - 2011.06.08 00:35:00 -
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Not sure why you get neuted so badly. I run at 40ish % in a C3 and have never warped out. First thing you should do, or maybe already do, is switch to precision for the frig's, even with rigs fury's blast radius is HUGE. Only ever run ca's in C3 and C4 so not sure what your tank should be, but fit below is what I would do without changing too much. Don't laugh at the LSE.. the less your SB works the better, even if cap stable.. You may find with the LSE you could pulse the SB and put the BCS back.
[Tengu, Tengu C1 Pve] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node_2 Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate_2 Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers_2 Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay_2 Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir_2
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Shield Booster II_2 Invulnerability Field II_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Photon Scattering Field II_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Large Shield Extender II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2 Ballistic Control System II_2 Ballistic Control System II_2 Capacitor Flux Coil II_2
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I_2 Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I_2 Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II_2
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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.08 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: grumpyguts1 Not sure why you get neuted so badly. I run at 40ish % in a C3 and have never warped out. First thing you should do, or maybe already do, is switch to precision for the frig's, even with rigs fury's blast radius is HUGE. Only ever run ca's in C3 and C4 so not sure what your tank should be, but fit below is what I would do without changing too much. Don't laugh at the LSE.. the less your SB works the better, even if cap stable.. You may find with the LSE you could pulse the SB and put the BCS back.
[Tengu, Tengu C1 Pve] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node_2 Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate_2 Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers_2 Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay_2 Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir_2
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Shield Booster II_2 Invulnerability Field II_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Photon Scattering Field II_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Large Shield Extender II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2 Ballistic Control System II_2 Ballistic Control System II_2 Capacitor Flux Coil II_2
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I_2 Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I_2 Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II_2
No laughing at all, i actually like the look of this fit, was considering a LSE but wasnt sure. thanks.. tried the other fit out posted above you and its bad in many ways, obvious is not obvious it seems, will report back on your fit though it looks solid, ty
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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:14:00 -
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Tried your fit grumpyguts1, i put caldari navy bcs in the bottom 4 and a faction SB, but its working great, thanks again.
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Daneel Trevize
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 08/06/2011 01:17:28 You are only boosting as much as you need to, right? And then injecting cap rarely if ever? And not warping in at 0 and then sitting there? I dislike pve T3s that lack ABs but I don't see how Loraine's fit would not have plenty of tank and no cap concerns, even if C1s neut more than C3s as you claim. Plus 6 launchers, 4 BCUs, 3 rigs and a painter for max applied dps. |
Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: Larrza on 08/06/2011 01:34:24
Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 08/06/2011 01:17:28 You are only boosting as much as you need to, right? And then injecting cap rarely if ever? And not warping in at 0 and then sitting there? I dislike pve T3s that lack ABs but I don't see how Loraine's fit would not have plenty of tank and no cap concerns, even if C1s neut more than C3s as you claim. Plus 6 launchers, 4 BCUs, 3 rigs and a painter for max applied dps.
yup im doing pretty much all of that, it only seems bad on certain sites, 10+ frigs neuting can be pretty nasty, or cruisers, depends on spawns and site. I guess it just required more multi tasking and focusing my attention on d-scan is more important, i also dont like cap boosters for pve unless its armor fitted. maybe it's just my bad habits. im getting same dps from grumpyguts1 fit as Loraines fit minus the TP, alittle less tank but i also dont need cap boosters, just seems more efficient to me.
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grumpyguts1
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:41:00 -
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Edited by: grumpyguts1 on 08/06/2011 01:43:42
Originally by: Larrza Tried your fit grumpyguts1, i put caldari navy bcs in the bottom 4 and a faction SB, but its working great, thanks again.
Glad I could help. I have learned to stay away from "cookie cutter" fits and tend to experiment a bit. I will also never fit cap booster for PvE especially in WH's. Have enough to worry about with keeping an eye on d-scan, etc the last thing you need to think about is cap issues. As to Daleen's point on an AB, if you fitting for DPS you likely going to loose a mid slot, so I would prefer more tank as once you webbed by everything in the room you loose your speed tank advantage, but hey.. each to his own...
edit... see you came up with the same d-scan distraction while I was typing
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.06.08 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Loraine Gess on 08/06/2011 06:04:14
Originally by: Larrza
Originally by: grumpyguts1 Not sure why you get neuted so badly. I run at 40ish % in a C3 and have never warped out. First thing you should do, or maybe already do, is switch to precision for the frig's, even with rigs fury's blast radius is HUGE. Only ever run ca's in C3 and C4 so not sure what your tank should be, but fit below is what I would do without changing too much. Don't laugh at the LSE.. the less your SB works the better, even if cap stable.. You may find with the LSE you could pulse the SB and put the BCS back.
[Tengu, Tengu C1 Pve] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node_2 Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate_2 Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers_2 Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay_2 Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir_2
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Shield Booster II_2 Invulnerability Field II_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Photon Scattering Field II_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Large Shield Extender II_2
Ballistic Control System II_2 Ballistic Control System II_2 Ballistic Control System II_2 Capacitor Flux Coil II_2
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I_2 Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I_2 Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II_2
No laughing at all, i actually like the look of this fit, was considering a LSE but wasnt sure. thanks.. tried the other fit out posted above you and its bad in many ways, obvious is not obvious it seems, will report back on your fit though it looks solid, ty
Lol I bet you didn't even try it
10+ frigs neuting? Really now... do you even look at eve-survival before spouting lies and trying to pass it off as experience, or do you just say whatever comes to mind?
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:54:00 -
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I live in a C1 and run sites with a Drake. It takes around 7-11 mins to run a site. The only thing that neuts is cruisers and even then I am cap stable. Improve your skills brah!
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Shoatha
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Larrza 10+ frigs neuting can be pretty nasty
You are doing it wrong.
Every T3 can breeze through C1 sites. Heck my active tanked Harbinger clears sites within 10min. and never has a problem with cap.
So it is either your skills and/or you just pew pew around and do not care about triggers. A default fitted Tengu should not have any problems with C1 sites.
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Tyslas
Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:17:00 -
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You problem is not enough faction/deadspace mods. Pimping out your tengu some more will solve all your problems.
Honest.
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Torothin
Phathcom Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:33:00 -
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Don't tell him that. We have already established that the OP is an idiot that ran missions most of his eve life. He has maxed tengu skills. What he probably means by that is that he has all sub skills to 5 and t3 skills to 5 and 300k sp in missiles. He should post his char skill sheet so we can point him in the right direction.
God only knows what his eng skills are like....
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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Torothin Edited by: Torothin on 08/06/2011 15:01:46 Don't tell him that. We have already established that the OP is a newish player that ran missions most of his eve life. He has maxed tengu skills. What he probably means by that is that he has all sub skills to 5 and t3 skills to 5 and 300k sp in missiles. He should post his char skill sheet so we can point him in the right direction.
God only knows what his eng skills are like....
Hardly new early 07 player, "newer" to WH life.. and i know how to fit a tengu to run C1's easily, that wasnt the point of this entire topic, also to the other guy claiming my skills etc fail because he is butt hurt i didnt like his fit, fact is a pve tengu is bad with cap boosters, especially in a wh, u mad bro?
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Larrza
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shoatha
Originally by: Larrza 10+ frigs neuting can be pretty nasty
You are doing it wrong.
Every T3 can breeze through C1 sites. Heck my active tanked Harbinger clears sites within 10min. and never has a problem with cap.
So it is either your skills and/or you just pew pew around and do not care about triggers. A default fitted Tengu should not have any problems with C1 sites.
correct i do not focus on triggers.
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