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Sajira Sykhari	Posted - 2011.06.10 07:21:00 - [1] I know questions have been posed with regards to the new shader models and the usability of eve on systems without shader 3. My question is this, will it only affect you being in station. ie. if I log in space before the update will I be able to return and fly about freely? Are the new shader models going to nil my ability to fly also? Will I just be disallowed to login without shader 3? My plan is to base out of an Orca using its ship maintenance bay for the time being while I deal with saving r/l funds for a new pc. Will be a pain in the ass but worth it to be able to continue playing (even if in a limited manner) while I get ready to upgrade my computer. Would be cool to know before launch so I can decide if I should resub or not right away, or just let it lapse till I upgrade my hardware. Very much looking forward to the new features but leary of the immediate impact on my gameplay. Thanks.
Gwenywell Shumuku	Posted - 2011.06.10 07:50:00 - [2] Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 10/06/2011 07:50:53 how about saving up 20$ and buying any old SM3.0 card, they come cheap on ebay.
Sajira Sykhari	Posted - 2011.06.10 08:23:00 - [3] Forgot to mention (while irrelevant to the topic) was dumb and bought a P.O.S. Acer with a built-in card and no extra slots for a new card when I replaced my old PC two years ago. DOH Regret the few hundred dollars in savings I got buying it.
Ford Mersombre Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.06.10 08:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Sajira Sykhari Forgot to mention (while irrelevant to the topic) was dumb and bought a P.O.S. Acer with a built-in card and no extra slots for a new card when I replaced my old PC two years ago. DOH Regret the few hundred dollars in savings I got buying it. Wow, you don't have any expansion slots at all? I did something similar and bought a cheap HP 6005 SFF last year, but it had a PCI-e slot that would accommodate a "low profile" video card. I was able to put in a semi-decent ATI card for a good price, add some extra RAM, and ended up with a nice system.
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.06.10 10:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 10/06/2011 07:50:53 how about saving up 20$ and buying any old SM3.0 card, they come cheap on ebay. That might allow you to log in, but Incarna requires quite a bit of gfx horsepower, not only hardware features, to run at playable framerates. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.06.10 10:22:00 - [6] Sadly, no. The shader model doesn't just affect the CQ part of the game, but is actually a change to the entire game's render. You sure sure you have neither a AGP or PCIe graphics slot? They're pretty much standard, even on a cheap P.O.S.
Foralai Altrus	Posted - 2011.06.10 10:58:00 - [7] upgrade hardware, the test server will not even let you log in without shader 3 support. Unfortunately you need the higher end cards to handle the rendering too with the updates. The graphics/system reqs are jumping up majorly with the new system, I expect a lot of folks to be on the forums screaming about performance or not being able to log in anymore.
Ford Mersombre Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.06.10 12:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Sadly, no. The shader model doesn't just affect the CQ part of the game, but is actually a change to the entire game's render. You sure sure you have neither a AGP or PCIe graphics slot? They're pretty much standard, even on a cheap P.O.S. Yeah, I'm having a hard time imagining a mobo that doesn't have any expansion slots ...
JMERCENARY	Posted - 2011.06.10 13:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Foralai Altrus upgrade hardware, the test server will not even let you log in without shader 3 support. Unfortunately you need the higher end cards to handle the rendering too with the updates. The graphics/system reqs are jumping up majorly with the new system, I expect a lot of folks to be on the forums screaming about performance or not being able to log in anymore. Developers should follow reality for once. Reality says people will be spending less and less on new equipment either developers like it or not.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.10 14:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Ford Mersombre Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Sadly, no. The shader model doesn't just affect the CQ part of the game, but is actually a change to the entire game's render. You sure sure you have neither a AGP or PCIe graphics slot? They're pretty much standard, even on a cheap P.O.S. Yeah, I'm having a hard time imagining a mobo that doesn't have any expansion slots ... in case the OP finds the slot, there are two actual chips (either nvidia or ati) for low profile housings (I think it was 7 cm across) on PCI.E 2.1 offered: Nvidia Geforce GT 520 Ati Radeon HD 6450 Both won't be running Eve in full HD and with all bells and whistles, but they are low profile and got DirectX 11. > http://jonpeddie.com/reviews/comments/duking-it-out-in-the-low-end-amd-hd-6450-vs.-nvidia-gt-520-reviews > http://www.htpcreviews.org/galaxy%E2%80%99s-gt-520-vs-hd-6450-gddr5-vs-gddr3 Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Foralai Altrus	Posted - 2011.06.10 14:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Ford Mersombre Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Sadly, no. The shader model doesn't just affect the CQ part of the game, but is actually a change to the entire game's render. You sure sure you have neither a AGP or PCIe graphics slot? They're pretty much standard, even on a cheap P.O.S. Yeah, I'm having a hard time imagining a mobo that doesn't have any expansion slots ... Most all in ones, and many small form factor cased systems are not upgradable. Due to the case size not being able to handle full size cards (and nowhere near the cooling for one if it could be put it)
Foralai Altrus	Posted - 2011.06.10 14:28:00 - [12] Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: Foralai Altrus upgrade hardware, the test server will not even let you log in without shader 3 support. Unfortunately you need the higher end cards to handle the rendering too with the updates. The graphics/system reqs are jumping up majorly with the new system, I expect a lot of folks to be on the forums screaming about performance or not being able to log in anymore. Developers should follow reality for once. Reality says people will be spending less and less on new equipment either developers like it or not. One reason I'm not even bothering with my account. set a skill to train and removed the client. Real world concerns mean I can't upgrade hardware, so I'll take my subscription elsewhere (heck might even go back to WoW)
Aeveen Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.10 14:32:00 - [13] Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: Foralai Altrus upgrade hardware, the test server will not even let you log in without shader 3 support. Unfortunately you need the higher end cards to handle the rendering too with the updates. The graphics/system reqs are jumping up majorly with the new system, I expect a lot of folks to be on the forums screaming about performance or not being able to log in anymore. Developers should follow reality for once. Reality says people will be spending less and less on new equipment either developers like it or not. Developers do follow reality. There always 3 - 5 years behind the equipment trends. The problem is people like you who use 9 - 10 year old equipment and then except everything to still run. YOU need to follow reality not CCP.
Foralai Altrus	Posted - 2011.06.10 14:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Aeveen Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: Foralai Altrus upgrade hardware, the test server will not even let you log in without shader 3 support. Unfortunately you need the higher end cards to handle the rendering too with the updates. The graphics/system reqs are jumping up majorly with the new system, I expect a lot of folks to be on the forums screaming about performance or not being able to log in anymore. Developers should follow reality for once. Reality says people will be spending less and less on new equipment either developers like it or not. Developers do follow reality. There always 3 - 5 years behind the equipment trends. The problem is people like you who use 9 - 10 year old equipment and then except everything to still run. YOU need to follow reality not CCP. Computer I use is 3 years old. Average hardware isn't going to be able to handle the new client, you need top end. Which in todays economy is not happening for many folks because they have more important things to worry about like rent, fuel, groceries, utilities, etc. About $20 a month for the subscription is doable for many, but not the 600+ for a newer rig so they like me will go elsewhere instead.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.06.10 14:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Aeveen Originally by: JMERCENARY Originally by: Foralai Altrus upgrade hardware, the test server will not even let you log in without shader 3 support. Unfortunately you need the higher end cards to handle the rendering too with the updates. The graphics/system reqs are jumping up majorly with the new system, I expect a lot of folks to be on the forums screaming about performance or not being able to log in anymore. Developers should follow reality for once. Reality says people will be spending less and less on new equipment either developers like it or not. Developers do follow reality. There always 3 - 5 years behind the equipment trends. The problem is people like you who use 9 - 10 year old equipment and then except everything to still run. YOU need to follow reality not CCP. From 1997 to today we have passed thru at least 3 major recessions and not everyone lives in a first world country where $60 is 2 hours of wage. This is expecially evident for EvE, where a sizable number of players does not come from the USA but from "lesser" countries. Countries where debt is closely checked, we can't print dollars and call it Quantitative Easing. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.10 14:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha snip From 1997 to today we have passed thru at least 3 major recessions and not everyone lives in a first world country where $60 is 2 hours of wage. This is expecially evident for EvE, where a sizable number of players does not come from the USA but from "lesser" countries. Countries where debt is closely checked, we can't print dollars and call it Quantitative Easing. If a computer game translates to a sizeable part of your income, then you're not living by your means. If the average wage is 30$ per hour in some countries and those people want to live the life of a popstar (travel the world, 5 star hotels, nice cars, big house in LA, other cool stuff..) then this wont work either. Games are a luxus. Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Foralai Altrus	Posted - 2011.06.10 15:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha snip From 1997 to today we have passed thru at least 3 major recessions and not everyone lives in a first world country where $60 is 2 hours of wage. This is expecially evident for EvE, where a sizable number of players does not come from the USA but from "lesser" countries. Countries where debt is closely checked, we can't print dollars and call it Quantitative Easing. If a computer game translates to a sizeable part of your income, then you're not living by your means. If the average wage is 30$ per hour in some countries and those people want to live the life of a popstar (travel the world, 5 star hotels, nice cars, big house in LA, other cool stuff..) then this wont work either. Games are a luxus. $20 bucks isn't a major portion of people's income. The problem isn't the subscription, it's buying a new computer capable of handling the insane leap in system requirements which is going to be at least 1-2 months worth of income (if not more for some) When that becomes the barrier to playing a game, they take the money they set aside for luxury use and go elsewhere.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.06.10 15:07:00 - [18] Quote: Average hardware isn't going to be able to handle the new client, you need top end. You are, of course, incorrect. If your computer is only 3 years old and won't run Incarna, you spent your money on either the most gimped system imaginable or were badly ripped off. Any graphics card made in the last 5 years, and most made in the last 7, can handle it. Apparently, you are doing it wrong. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.10 15:09:00 - [19] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 10/06/2011 15:16:25 Originally by: Foralai Altrus Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha snip From 1997 to today we have passed thru at least 3 major recessions and not everyone lives in a first world country where $60 is 2 hours of wage. This is expecially evident for EvE, where a sizable number of players does not come from the USA but from "lesser" countries. Countries where debt is closely checked, we can't print dollars and call it Quantitative Easing. If a computer game translates to a sizeable part of your income, then you're not living by your means. If the average wage is 30$ per hour in some countries and those people want to live the life of a popstar (travel the world, 5 star hotels, nice cars, big house in LA, other cool stuff..) then this wont work either. Games are a luxus. $20 bucks isn't a major portion of people's income. The problem isn't the subscription, it's buying a new computer capable of handling the insane leap in system requirements which is going to be at least 1-2 months worth of income (if not more for some) When that becomes the barrier to playing a game, they take the money they set aside for luxury use and go elsewhere. You are engaging in a hobby that involves hardware which is churned out on a yearly basis with a new version. If you're playing state of the art computer games (ie Eve) you have to accept to replace your gear every 3-4 years at least to be able to be playing. Deal with it. If not, consoles are that way >>> And even those get replaced on a 5-6 year cycle. Hell, even cars don't last much longer than 10 years or 200,000 km.. whatever comes first. Not to mention all the repairs and maintenance. Bulbs, wipers, oil, tyres, sparks, filters, etc. pp.. every 2-3 years.. PS: my computer is from 2009 and was put together as an efficient, power saving machine, able to handle Eve and my normal stuff for the next 3-4 years and since I have it, it's running 24/7 when I'm home (Core2Duo E8400, Radeon HD4670, 2x22", 4GB). It's up for replacement once Intel got Ivy bridge out of the door and maybe DDR4.. Anyway.. that's how I buy and plan this (Ram should be upgraded though.. gotta find some more of it somewhere I guess). Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Ford Mersombre	Posted - 2011.06.10 15:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Ford Mersombre on 10/06/2011 15:13:10 Originally by: Foralai Altrus Originally by: Ford Mersombre Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Sadly, no. The shader model doesn't just affect the CQ part of the game, but is actually a change to the entire game's render. You sure sure you have neither a AGP or PCIe graphics slot? They're pretty much standard, even on a cheap P.O.S. Yeah, I'm having a hard time imagining a mobo that doesn't have any expansion slots ... Most all in ones, and many small form factor cased systems are not upgradable. Due to the case size not being able to handle full size cards (and nowhere near the cooling for one if it could be put it) Not true at all ... You just have to purchase a "low profile" version of the cards. As I said, I've been running a small form factor HP with an upgrade ATI card for a year with no problems at all. Most PC's, even the SFF PC's, have at least 2-3 expansion slots so people can do minor upgrades and expansions.

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2011.06.10 15:38:00 - [21] We'll have a blog in a few days about the min spec requirements for Incarna, but please note that as of April 2011, we stopped supporting Shader 2. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Ford Mersombre	Posted - 2011.06.10 15:48:00 - [22] Oh great! Now I'm going to have to upgrade my TNT2 card ... Sheesh, I paid $150 for that thing!
Send More ISK	Posted - 2011.06.10 15:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha This is expecially evident for EvE, where a sizable number of players does not come from the USA but from "lesser" countries. And some of us comes from countries that considers the USA as one of those "lesser" countries... There is A LOT more poverty in the USA then what you normally hear about, and a lot of americans who can't afford a low-level GFX card (or a PC for that matter).
Zakua Corbin	Posted - 2011.06.10 16:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Ranger 1 Quote: Average hardware isn't going to be able to handle the new client, you need top end. You are, of course, incorrect. If your computer is only 3 years old and won't run Incarna, you spent your money on either the most gimped system imaginable or were badly ripped off. Any graphics card made in the last 5 years, and most made in the last 7, can handle it. Apparently, you are doing it wrong. This...Shader 3 is not new by any stretch of the imagination. Sorry if you cant play, that does suck but you guys should not be buying laptops or PCs made for Email and facebook and pray they will also play your favorite game...you set yourself up for a little rage now and then.
Sajira Sykhari	Posted - 2011.06.10 17:47:00 - [25] Thank you all for the comments and suggestions, I'll crack open this thing again sometime over the next week, to make double sure I didn't just miss the slot. (Hope I did.) Otherwise I'll wait for the release and pray for usability. It's a shame too, sub runs out on the 19th so I may only be able to take advantage of two days if I resub right away, although I suppose it'll give me lots of training time.
Mazaron Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.06.10 18:07:00 - [26] Originally by: Foralai Altrus Computer I use is 3 years old. Average hardware isn't going to be able to handle the new client, you need top end. Which in todays economy is not happening for many folks because they have more important things to worry about like rent, fuel, groceries, utilities, etc. About $20 a month for the subscription is doable for many, but not the 600+ for a newer rig so they like me will go elsewhere instead. Shader Model 3 was released in 2004. If your rig can't handle that then your PC must suck hard.

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