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Foxicity
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Posted - 2011.06.11 16:39:00 -
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I've only seen one old loadout on EFT, so I thought I'd revive the idea of an assault frigate RR wolfpack to hear your opinions. The idea is as follows: a wolfpack of a few assault frigates is equipped with lows for very high armor resists but no local reppers, i.e. enyo, ishkur, vengeance, to name the best ones. These guys will search for and destroy single targets at close range in lowsec, while rem-repping whoever is taking damage. A sample fit is below:
[Ishkur, RR Wolfpack Setup]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Hobgoblin II x5
Tank Profile:
armor hp: 1011
em resist: 73.4%
thermal resist: 82.7%
kinetic resist: 91.4%
explosive resist: 52.2%
The beauty of this is your wolfpack can 1) attack neuting ships, because the guy in your group getting aggro'd doesn't need cap to stay alive, 2)the dps repaired is far more than a single SAR II could do, if your wolfpack has 4 guys, that means 3 repairing and 1 taking aggro, the worst-case tank (explosive aggro) is 140ehp/s and the best-case tank (kinetic aggro) is a whopping 810ehp/s, which is far more than a single enemy can realistically deal to any frigate, regardless of what they are flying.
In my opinion, the Vengeance is not so good because of poor dps. The Ishkur and Enyo I consider to be perfect for this, because even without magstabs they can deal over 250dps each, and still have a rather epic resist profile.
Now I know you're thinking "it's never realistic to expect to only fight a single enemy", and you're right, but my point here is that, without sacrificing dps output, you can use that one "I never know what to put here" high slot and use your low slots for more tank or dps than before, all while increasing your group's survivability.
Thoughts?
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.11 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Target Painter on 11/06/2011 16:47:51
Edited by: Target Painter on 11/06/2011 16:47:37
 Originally by: Foxicity
Thoughts?
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Optimal range: 4800 meters.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.11 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Target Painter
Edited by: Target Painter on 11/06/2011 16:47:51
Edited by: Target Painter on 11/06/2011 16:47:37
Originally by: Foxicity
Thoughts?
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Optimal range: 4800 meters.
This, plus the fact that if you are going to blob you dont need 'clever' tactics.
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Foxicity1
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Posted - 2011.06.11 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Foxicity1 on 11/06/2011 16:52:19
Originally by: Target Painter
Edited by: Target Painter on 11/06/2011 16:47:51
Edited by: Target Painter on 11/06/2011 16:47:37
Originally by: Foxicity
Thoughts?
Small Remote Armor Repair System II
Optimal range: 4800 meters.
Originally by: Foxicity
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Optimal range: 2100 meters
My point isn't some 'blob pwn ultra destroy' wolfpack, the idea is just to increase the amount of tankable damage and reduce friendly casualties.
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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.06.11 19:48:00 -
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No.
If you want to do something like that, use plates on your AFs to reduce the risk of getting volleyed before reps take effect. Don't fit RR to your AFs, bring a nano'ed, shield buffered Oneiros - it can easily keep up with your armor frigs, has 70km RR range and reps for more than a ridiculous small remote armor repair system II.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:24:00 -
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Me and a couple of my buddies turned Vengeances into mini-Guardians one time. Pretty funny, but not too practical.
Really the issue is that a frigate's main advantage is signature radius and transversal velocity, and when the whole gang needs to stay clustered up within 5km, your advantage goes right out the window. You could consider bumping the scale up a notch or two and go with RR Vexors, which could work in certain situations (albeit maybe not enough for it to be as effective as say, more dps or more tank).
Another idea: Exequrors in your gang, cheap and they will rep more.
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Cal Stantson
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Posted - 2011.06.13 01:19:00 -
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Could potentially work with Ishkurs using repair drones. It would certainly avoid the range issue. The fit below gets 160+ DPS with 8kEHP and 70DPS tanked per Ishkur worth of drones.
RR AF isn't a good idea, but if you're going to do it...
[Ishkur, Design Study - Remote Repair Ishkur]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
1MN Afterburner II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
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eneman81
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Posted - 2011.06.14 07:38:00 -
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If you're gonna do it for the lulz definitly add a plate in there and be sure half of you guys are packing one set of ec-300s
should be pretty entertaining if you stumble on another small frig gang
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Nagapito
Gallente
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:12:00 -
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The ones saying no, dont know what they talking about!!! It works and its so much fun.
Also, range in the reps is not a problem, as any RR fit you will have to use a anchor and just wait for the anchor to approach! Using 4K reppers in frigs is much easier compared to the 9K of large reps in BS and still, people use RR BS!
Also, fit plates, you want buffer! And go AB, sig radius is one of the tricks here. Once up on a time, a 10 man rr frig gang tanked and embarrassed a 60 BS fleet shooting at optimals mid range(60k). Sig tank FTW!
Also, dont ignore the Vengeance!!! She is the key for an RR frig gang. You just gonna have to find out what she does. Cant handle all the tricks in a plate :)
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Ynot Eyob
Minmatar
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:28:00 -
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What happend to the Wolf :(
A Wolfpack without a Wolf, im sad...
I like the idear though, well worth trying.
Its hard though with the high speed to keep within RR range
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JoeTwo PointOh
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Posted - 2011.06.17 14:45:00 -
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I've personally seen this tactic used by a small gang of 4-5 frigates who specifically hunt mission runners. The gang I saw used all punishers, and had some very expensive kills. It wouldn't be too hard to adapt the fits a bit to deal with pvp fitted ships in low sec. Additionally, I think hunting shiny mission ships in a t1 frigate worked great for these guys as a lot of their targets most likely had little to no reservations about aggroing a single t1 frig. Not exactly glamorous, but effective for nice carebear kills
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2011.06.17 15:57:00 -
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For about the same outlay you could fit the same number of BCs - even with vanilla T1 and be 1000% more effective.
Just face it - AFs are pants for their cost.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.17 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aquana Abyss
Just face it - AFs are pants for their cost.
how DARE you?!?!?!?
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.06.17 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bluejacket CT
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
Just face it - AFs are pants for their cost.
how DARE you?!?!?!?
SOME AFs are pants for their cost. If they were all around 10m they would be epic, but 25m for what they offer is a bit sketchy.
That's why I ♥ the Vengeance.
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.17 17:29:00 -
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For running deep into nullsec? Maybe. But go with a cheap low fitting cost version, and buffer tank your AF's, use the reppers to repair damage after engagements rather than during.
I can't heal stupid
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.20 18:17:00 -
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Ishkurs with small repper drones?
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.20 22:13:00 -
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We've done this with Ruptures and Vexors with a Prophecy as anchor with gang boosts. Worked pretty well tank wise (we eventually overstayed our welcome in Huola and got blobbed), but you need fast tackle or else every BC/BS with a MWD is going to burn out of your range.
If one were to do this with frigs/AFs, the Vengeance would make a good anchor due to its big tank. I suppose you could even do remote cap boosting or cap chaining if you had two Vengeances. I've also thought about the shield transfer version using MSE Jags and a Harpy as anchor, especially since faction RSTs are very, very cheap. The only thing with MSEs is the sig radius balloons, although possibly the improved speed/traversal might make it good all the same.
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Foxicity
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:01:00 -
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My whole point was not exactly to say "it's always better than a personal tank." It was more to provide a good use for that mystery hi-slot that a lot of people leave empty due to fitting requirements. Removing the local repper and moving it to the high slot frees up a low slot for buffer/resists and hopefully opens the door for improvised spider-tanking (insert comment about the foolishness of 'improvising' a spider-tank here) (insert my not caring here).
My only hesitation on using repair drones is that there is a delay between 'engage target' and when the reps start happening, which can be deadly. Also, the perceived range bonus on them is nullified if every Ishkur is within light neutron blaster range of the target. I don't have a beef with it, but it's not any better. But props for considering the Ishkur's considerable drone capacity.
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Bad Messenger
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Messenger on 23/06/2011 02:45:05
We thought about 'remote repair' hawks on some point
[Hawk, remorephawk]
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Civilian Remote Shield Transporter
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Ancillary Current Router II
but never tried those on action.
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Paul StClair
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:04:00 -
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Hi there,
Vengeance is a mean machine if fitted out correctly and with the pilot having the right skills. Can't fly one yet but EFT gives great indications of pottential in this ship design.
Good luck......
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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ottersmacker on 23/06/2011 20:41:45
rr af format is both fun and effective, sadly I can't give you kb reports as examples of what these can do because of eve-kill derp.
please note that this format is vulnerable to those who are mentally challenged (wordfilter)
// edit: a little tease screenshot from june '10 *here*, it was our first attempt iirc
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