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Cenm
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.11 19:19:00 -
[31]
Was a fun for me, even if we did got stomped on.
I spent almost the entire fight jammed 
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.11 19:47:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Lord Makk
Should be killmails around, i'm too butthurt to write an AAR.
awwww but I love the fleet thyphoon! tell us your battle plan!
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.11 19:49:00 -
[33]
Battle plan : Shoot at people
AAR : Thwarted by ECM
A cookie with that read?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.11 19:53:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Lord Makk
Battle plan : Shoot at people
AAR : Thwarted by ECM
A cookie with that read?
lol clap clap
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:00:00 -
[35]
I'm very sorry that you didn't anticipate the possible use of an ECM team by us, that we actually fielded last year, and for which all our fittings are publicly available on the internetz.
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hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:10:00 -
[36]
after looking at the killmails: lol did you even have a plan?
just bad so bad.
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amarralt55
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:48:00 -
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Oh noes they fielded Rooks and Kitsunes, totally new line up they havent used before, no wonder you didn't see it coming!
Either be awesome, or bring a counter to one of the three set ups they normally bring to AT and hope you picked right. You did neither.
I'm a nobody in this game (i.e. in a dead corp and just back from a 6 month break) and I can see this, why can't many alliances?
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Davvol
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
I'm very sorry that you didn't anticipate the possible use of an ECM team by us, that we actually fielded last year, and for which all our fittings are publicly available on the internetz.
You guys have fielded a number of different gangs over the years. Which one exactly should we try to counter at any point?
Facts are, you fielded a gang we weren't fit to fight. Had you of chosen a different composition, things might have been different. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that ;-) |
Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:33:00 -
[39]
Slow the **** down here; people use ECM in PvP?
SHUT
DOWN
EVERYTHING
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Kithrus
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:33:00 -
[40]
I thought it was a fair fight but then again I made 100 million isk on a bet UK was going down with a member of EM.
So if it helps someone somewhere was entertained.
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Hank Hawkins
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:47:00 -
[41]
Then again, the CVA's view on "fair fights" are kind of twisted, 35 cva+pets versus 3 randoms in Domain lowsec isn't fair to the rest of the world you see :)
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:30:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Lord Makk
Change the rooks with any other cruiser shiptypes and have a mano-a-mano, you'd explode in a fireball.
Chestbeating when we couldn't even target? granted we lost but your the terrible one for thinking you are very pr0 :)
Pfft, it is all about winning. Tehn gloating.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:44:00 -
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Don't sweat it UK, we got worked just as bad :) You got the jams, we got the damps. Good luck tomorrow!
Silas Vitalia
CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Open for Recruitment!
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.11 23:34:00 -
[44]
Perhaps PL should honourably announce their tactics and fittings in good time so the opposition can have a 'fair' fight. How dare they have several different tactics they might use.
The whining in this thread is quite amusing but really it would be better to accept the loss gracefully.
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Michael Bross
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.11 23:36:00 -
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And luck to you Vanguard. Hopefully we will have a chance to face each other.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:09:00 -
[46]
What I was meaning by expecting more from PL, is any bunch of idiots can fit a bunch of ECM ships in a match and do well. When it comes to beating an ECM team like that, your only hopes are having a faster lock time and drone swarms. There are other ways but to be honest the chances anyone would have countered that correctly are fewer than the entries of this tournament.
You can ask anyone in UK who knows me, I constantly suggest more ECM in fleets because it can do wonders but I guess maybe now they will listen to me.
A pat on the back for the FC to bring it, I just honestly was hoping for a better formed fleet then paper-rock-scissors setup that is ECM fighting. You either jam or dont jam (some higher risk but if your fully trained really doesnt make a difference with THAT many modules).
Yeah no mix of ships was really in the picture compared to last matches, so our setup could have been easily assumed to be Amarr/Minnie. If they guessed that and fitted even a couple of racial ECMs that could have been 2 high strength ECM's per ship.
One thing that amazed me was the T2 Amarr hulls. I havent checked the sensor strengths but out of the box, Amarr have some of the strongest sensors to jam and have a higher fail ratio.
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hattifnatt
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:18:00 -
[47]
bringing a setup that isnt a random mishmash of poorly fit ships would also have increased your chances of winning.
just saying
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Resunas
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:01:00 -
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My guess is PL looked at your previous rounds and saw the way you run without ECCM. I know I rarely see sacrileges with ECCM, but thats the problem. There was nothing wrong with the phoon fleet issue, its just that the ECM pressure was just too heavy.
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Varesk
Gallente
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:23:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lord Makk
Change the rooks with any other cruiser shiptypes and have a mano-a-mano, you'd explode in a fireball.
Chestbeating when we couldn't even target? granted we lost but your the terrible one for thinking you are very pr0 :)
this is a quality tear post. thanks PL.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:30:00 -
[50]
Originally by: a newbie
What I was meaning by expecting more from PL, is any bunch of idiots can fit a bunch of ECM ships in a match and do well.
Ok, I can believe that, tell me more....
Originally by: a newbie
When it comes to beating an ECM team like that, your only hopes are having a faster lock time and drone swarms. There are other ways but to be honest the chances anyone would have countered that correctly are fewer than the entries of this tournament.
Wait, so the set up that any idiot could field is virtually unbeatable by most of the tournament entries and only countered by two things, and yet nobody else really fielded that set up?
Also, if any idiot can field it and do well, why didn't UK against an opponent like PL, didn't you want to win? (2 part questions can be tricky, take your time).
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:39:00 -
[51]
Yeah the typhoon had an ECCM I think but it was primaried immediately heh.
I've seen some success with ECCM but generally if the person your against has 2 ECM IIs or better running offset and they have at least 1 sensor jam str rig and prob 1-2 amps, you have only 1 or 2 shots to even get a lock off.
Smart ECM pilots cycle, but some REALLY brick ECM pilots set them all off like its a race to turn the most on at once. That is total fail.
All in all I guess I should thank PL considering how much people ignore me when I try to get fleets to add extra ECM ships. I think large fleets with a 10-15% fleet comprised of ECM ships fitted in a sneaky sneaky manner can cause utter chaos on their victims.
UK has a chance to at least save face in the next too matches, but I did see a nice PL match up that I am interested in seeing their fleet comp for with PL vs. HYDRA RELOADED.
*sigh* As time goes on the pain lessens. I moved my tower over to the TV to watch it in its HD splendor just to realize how crappy of a mood that put me in lol.
So while I can't take it back as its already e-history, I guess all I can say is thanks PL for slapping some peoples senses for me, not necessarily the ones I intended though.
I always enjoy flying with Lord Makk so I hope he has a few more surprises in store for our next two opponents. For those of you who slander his setups, just remember one thing...
Those unconventional setups are how we discover new ones that end up becoming the FOTM. Iron Fist, Hydra fleets, Wolf Packs, and a slew of other compositions are created by people trying something out. Granted some with a little less imagination, but successful pilots fail sometimes due to expectations of what pens out well on paper falls apart against the chaotic nature that is EVE and its players.
There was a reason he tried that setup, and knowing Lord Makk, it more then likely has potential when the fits are taken into account. I know quite a few people have had trouble killing him when hes in his Cerebus, while I wont divulge the fit, requires a master of micromanagement and more then some dedication and experience.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:44:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: a newbie
What I was meaning by expecting more from PL, is any bunch of idiots can fit a bunch of ECM ships in a match and do well.
Ok, I can believe that, tell me more....
Originally by: a newbie
When it comes to beating an ECM team like that, your only hopes are having a faster lock time and drone swarms. There are other ways but to be honest the chances anyone would have countered that correctly are fewer than the entries of this tournament.
Wait, so the set up that any idiot could field is virtually unbeatable by most of the tournament entries and only countered by two things, and yet nobody else really fielded that set up?
Also, if any idiot can field it and do well, why didn't UK against an opponent like PL, didn't you want to win? (2 part questions can be tricky, take your time).
LOL and as far as this goes, Trolling failed.. Might want to check your flint and tinder 
Besides the fact ECM is almost always primaried, certain people decide to abhore ECM instead of covet it, they feel its a cheat. Most hardcore PVPers I speak to feel this way about it, and to their own detriment they shy away from it.
It happens, and its the way some people treat it for better or for worse. Some PVPers still follow E-Honor, and don't feel sated with victory without a little blood on their side.
*sighs* usually being the ECM pilot it's mine as I am way to few in a large number of ships.
The name doesnt help if there is an A-Z FC either LOL!
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.12 03:03:00 -
[53]
Originally by: a newbie
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: a newbie
What I was meaning by expecting more from PL, is any bunch of idiots can fit a bunch of ECM ships in a match and do well.
Ok, I can believe that, tell me more....
Originally by: a newbie
When it comes to beating an ECM team like that, your only hopes are having a faster lock time and drone swarms. There are other ways but to be honest the chances anyone would have countered that correctly are fewer than the entries of this tournament.
Wait, so the set up that any idiot could field is virtually unbeatable by most of the tournament entries and only countered by two things, and yet nobody else really fielded that set up?
Also, if any idiot can field it and do well, why didn't UK against an opponent like PL, didn't you want to win? (2 part questions can be tricky, take your time).
LOL and as far as this goes, Trolling failed.. Might want to check your flint and tinder
Besides the fact ECM is almost always primaried, certain people decide to abhore ECM instead of covet it, they feel its a cheat. Most hardcore PVPers I speak to feel this way about it, and to their own detriment they shy away from it.
It happens, and its the way some people treat it for better or for worse. Some PVPers still follow E-Honor, and don't feel sated with victory without a little blood on their side.
*sighs* usually being the ECM pilot it's mine as I am way to few in a large number of ships.
The name doesnt help if there is an A-Z FC either LOL!
Perhaps in this life, or one before you were a matador.
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.12 03:24:00 -
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TDR guys, what'd I say about posting without asking me for permission?
BAD, BAD TDR!! Get back into your corners now or I will be very cross with you!
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO THAT I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.12 03:32:00 -
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Did you think PL was going to show one of their A-setups against your team?
They brought a one trick pony B-setup because they knew what setup you were going to use and they knew it wasn't worth showing one of their top setups composition.
They outplayed you in every possible aspect. Yes, ECM is overpowered, yes it's a terrible game mechanic, but they could have stomped your team with pretty much any semi-decent setup they have. Look at Voltron's setup. Look at PL's amarr setup from last year. Look at Dystopia blaster moa setup from last year. Look at PL's setup from today. They're all comedy setups, but they are still coherent. Your fleet composition just didn't make sense.
I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but sometimes a solid beating is the only way to wake up. Good luck tomorrow.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:26:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Lykouleon
TDR guys, what'd I say about posting without asking me for permission?
BAD, BAD TDR!! Get back into your corners now or I will be very cross with you!
NO DADDY!! NOT THE HOSE AGAIN!!!
*runs away flailing arms in the air*
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Perhaps in this life, or one before you were a matador.
LOL I hope there are no bulls around in that case, I may try and skewer them with my sword.. Past lives don't always translate well to the present so I would assume it would be ME who was skewered heh.
Shish-kah-newb!
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:39:00 -
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I don't think crying on the forums is really in keeping for a Minmatar role play alliance.
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a newbie
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:51:00 -
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ROFL WHY DO PEOPLE THINK IM CRYING?! A lot of readers have a SERIOUS tone of inflection issue here lol. Everyone assumes someone is hostile. Lay off the roids. Ive been laughing since the my 2nd and 3rd reply.
If people have stopped complaining over half a page ago .
But since I am the center of the world I am going to assume your talking about me(please excuse me while I  this thread to talk about adorable hug-able fluffy kittens!).
So I have 4 cats and a dog, they like catnip.. A LOT. I swear this o......
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: a newbie
ROFL WHY DO PEOPLE THINK IM CRYING?! A lot of readers have a SERIOUS tone of inflection issue here lol. Everyone assumes someone is hostile. Lay off the roids. Ive been laughing since the my 2nd and 3rd reply.
If people have stopped complaining over half a page ago .
But since I am the center of the world I am going to assume your talking about me(please excuse me while I this thread to talk about adorable hug-able fluffy kittens!).
So I have 4 cats and a dog, they like catnip.. A LOT. I swear this o......
Someone please get this man a box of tissues.
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