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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Weaselior on 14/06/2011 16:05:01 The fun way to abuse this is to magic minerals to deep 0.0 with zero effort. Hey, I may have paid a little extra, but I got minerals all the way to the ass-end of space for free, instantly! Thanks CCP!
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Sloppy Podfarts
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: salty Milk
you are disgusting quit soon seriously you are an absolute disgrace of a representative you have no place on the csm or any other body the csm shouldnt be about juicy delicious tears on something awful forums or where ever you kool kid klan types hang out these days
remove yourself you are absolutely terrible and deserve no favour, no respect and absolutely no benefit of any doubt
did my post clear it up enough?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat Edited by: Vile rat on 14/06/2011 15:40:40 Wow people really upset that I wouldn't read 14 full pages, heh!
I stated my position and I'm comfortable with it. I'm clearly on the opposite side of the fence from this plan as the plan as stated doesn't require a built scorpion in order to complete the transaction. I don't think it'll have a huge impact on the market since this will be such a niche event (buying a reskinned scorpion) but it does introduce something other than a purely cosmetic result so I'm not on board on a long term scale. As a short term (week or two) promotion it shouldn't have a huge impact on the market so I wouldn't so much care.
So basically, as an enduring item it really needs to require something already produced so you don't just insert dollar = receive Scorpion. If this is just a test run for a week or two, I don't like it for those reasons but I'm not going to get all worked up about it. If some of you think it'll destroy the scorpion market and feel it'll be horribly destablilizing let's hear what you got to say but my read is it'll be negligible.
OMG read thre thread. please I'll list the two biggest questions people want answered for you.
1.What you feel about CCP advertising the CSM as in support of just selling the the ship for aurum without trade in
2.Do you see the harm in the possibility of buying a ship just to reprocess it. It's cash for minerals more or less accessible from any station in any part fo the game.
but seriously CCP is running around going "well the CSM like it so it must be a good idea!: defend yourselfs!
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:08:00 -
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Serious question CCP,
What went through your head when you asked yourself what the player reaction would be? Did this rage just hit you out of no where? Did you honestly think us, the community, new and old would just be totally peachy with this? A week of testing, for what? What testing results are you wanting to see?
SiSi is that way
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:10:00 -
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I don't have time to read through all the pages, Ill make this suggestion even though it may have been made earlier:
CCP; Please manually buy a scorpion off the market for every one that people buy for Aurum. That will keep the balance. You can even say that NPC's are buying them for the conversion process, then re-selling them to us.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: salty Milk
you are disgusting quit soon seriously you are an absolute disgrace of a representative you have no place on the csm or any other body the csm shouldnt be about juicy delicious tears on something awful forums or where ever you kool kid klan types hang out these days
remove yourself you are absolutely terrible and deserve no favour, no respect and absolutely no benefit of any doubt
did my post clear it up enough?
Thanks for your input forum poster "salty milk".
I still have a vote button you arrogant piece of filth, and a post button what do you have more than i do that you seem so proud of? an account ccp haven't forum banned? good for you sunshine. since you insist of posting to spread ccps latest idea dressed up as "good" then they're not really likely to ban you are they? you tool
it is precisely because the CSM is completely ineffective, at best, as you are happy to demonstrate, and that threadnaughts have worked very much longer than the csm has is why threadnaughts happen.
you turning up and pretending everything is going to be ok doesnt change a thing.
it will only be ok if we force ccp to make it ok. that is the way unfortunately it always has to be.
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
OMG read thre thread. please I'll list the two biggest questions people want answered for you.
1.What you feel about CCP advertising the CSM as in support of just selling the the ship for aurum without trade in
I thought this was settled? There was confusion and I have stated at least how I view our position.
Quote:
2.Do you see the harm in the possibility of buying a ship just to reprocess it. It's cash for minerals more or less accessible from any station in any part fo the game.
Absolutely. Insert dollar = get scorpion is bad.
Quote:
but seriously CCP is running around going "well the CSM like it so it must be a good idea!: defend yourselfs!
And that has been walked back and the entire program pushed until this can be deconflicted.
Basically, ~relax~.
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Misha M'Liena
Amarr 21st Eridani Lighthorse Eves Misguided Children
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:13:00 -
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Vile Rat. I may not agree with you on this issue. But i am not in any shape agreeing with salty. That is a nasty dirty view. Wishing harm on a child is SHAMEFUL!!! You ought to be perma-banned from forums and game.
Sorry Vile, maybe next issue we'll agree on. Misha.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: MotherMoon
OMG read thre thread. please I'll list the two biggest questions people want answered for you.
1.What you feel about CCP advertising the CSM as in support of just selling the the ship for aurum without trade in
I thought this was settled? There was confusion and I have stated at least how I view our position.
Quote:
2.Do you see the harm in the possibility of buying a ship just to reprocess it. It's cash for minerals more or less accessible from any station in any part fo the game.
Absolutely. Insert dollar = get scorpion is bad.
Quote:
but seriously CCP is running around going "well the CSM like it so it must be a good idea!: defend yourselfs!
And that has been walked back and the entire program pushed until this can be deconflicted.
Basically, ~relax~.
great. fine. we can relax about this... maybe... so you're going to get on the issue of the patch hitting TQ in 6 days then.... __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
Quote:
2.Do you see the harm in the possibility of buying a ship just to reprocess it. It's cash for minerals more or less accessible from any station in any part fo the game.
Absolutely. Insert dollar = get scorpion is bad.
And yet apparently you don't have a problem with CCP implementing just that on a "temporary" basis.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Vile rat on 14/06/2011 16:17:16
Originally by: Soden Rah
great. fine. we can relax about this... maybe... so you're going to get on the issue of the patch hitting TQ in 6 days then....
Quote: No, I think you might have missed a post. The plan is to put the ship into the EVE client for Incarna 1.0 but not put any in the game yet. In August, we will evaluate how things are going, how long until the store can support either BCPs or trade-ins, and then work with the CSM to pick a launch schedule for the ship.
We are holding it back to go slower.
The ship is going into the client but you can't get it until they figure out a way to make this work without magically making scorpions out of thin air.
Quote: And yet apparently you don't have a problem with CCP implementing just that on a "temporary" basis.
I made that post and then one of our logistics/finance guys starts explaining all the ways he'd abuse this. Let's say from the time I posted that "one week wouldn't be a big deal" to now I have changed my stance on this significantly.
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Rykuss
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
rolf
I love it. 1st it's
We are going to released this ship in 7 days for aurum AND leave it like that for 3 or 4 months
then it's....
Oh well we were going to wait until august.
and now it's it
OH! did I forgot to mention the tiny detail that it was going to be a one week release? That's kinda a big thing to over look there huh?
I find the lack of CSM posting in this thread disturbing....
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1527783&page=9#248
I added and bolded the part the clueless aren't getting and are too lazy to go back to read. Linkage for proof.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:17:00 -
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OK everyone, its gone:
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
The ship is going into the client but you can't get it until they figure out a way to make this work without magically making scorpions out of thin air.
Then will come the fun of people magically making them disappear out of space. You'd have to be crazy to buy one of these ships... they all come with a giant bulls-eye right on them.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat Edited by: Vile rat on 14/06/2011 16:17:16
Originally by: Soden Rah
great. fine. we can relax about this... maybe... so you're going to get on the issue of the patch hitting TQ in 6 days then....
Quote: No, I think you might have missed a post. The plan is to put the ship into the EVE client for Incarna 1.0 but not put any in the game yet. In August, we will evaluate how things are going, how long until the store can support either BCPs or trade-ins, and then work with the CSM to pick a launch schedule for the ship.
We are holding it back to go slower.
The ship is going into the client but you can't get it until they figure out a way to make this work without magically making scorpions out of thin air.
Quote: And yet apparently you don't have a problem with CCP implementing just that on a "temporary" basis.
I made that post and then one of our logistics/finance guys starts explaining all the ways he'd abuse this. Let's say from the time I posted that "one week wouldn't be a big deal" to now I have changed my stance on this significantly.
I meant the issues regarding Incarna and CQ. which is very much appearing in 6 days.
see this thread and the original one linked in it __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Marlona Sky on 14/06/2011 16:21:04
Originally by: Vincent Athena OK everyone, its gone:
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
I bolded the part you should be paying attention to.
1. For one week, you will have: Insert money, get spaceship game! and pray, pray very hard that it actually stops after that one week and the flood gates don't open...
2. The CSM ok'd this. Bad CSM!
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 14/06/2011 16:21:04
Originally by: Vincent Athena OK everyone, its gone:
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
I bolded the part you should be paying attention to.
1. For one week, you will have: Insert money, get spaceship game! and pray, pray very hard that it actually stops after that one week and the flood gates don't open...
2. The CSM ok'd this. Bad CSM!
I agree, the CSM should not have agreed to this. But at least CCP listened to us and seems to now be saying the ship is on hold.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Erichk Knaar I got no problem with Scorp + Aurum = Golden scorp who is primary before even the other scorps.
Aurum = Scorp is just so exploitable its not even funny. I mean, really CCP? You should know your players by now.
I agree with this and share your viewpoint.
About time! Perhaps this can be a lesson to you!
Amazing how getting informed about an issue (like reading the thread and consulting with ppl who know what they are talking about) can help when forming an opinion isn't it... Honestly who can be anything but sad for the CSM.
------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 14/06/2011 16:21:04
Originally by: Vincent Athena OK everyone, its gone:
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
I bolded the part you should be paying attention to.
1. For one week, you will have: Insert money, get spaceship game! and pray, pray very hard that it actually stops after that one week and the flood gates don't open...
2. The CSM ok'd this. Bad CSM!
We ok'ed this as a way for Zinfandel to be able to gather data and test the popularity of these things. The amount of "creation of items with nothing but $$" would be limited during that period (the "exchange a 'made' scorpion with a golden one was not deemed initially doable due to technical constraints they'd have to program around). So, given the limited time period, it was thus deemed an acceptable compromise for us.
CSM 5 and CSM 6 have made their stance on RMT clear to CCP, and CCP understands the principle under which we are comfortable with them operating.
Obviously, ideally, we wouldn't want any RMT, but it's always a matter of reaching acceptable compromise. Having a die-hard stance will accomplish nothing in this instance. Sooo... Given the limitations, I personally think this is still the way to go. Cut CCP some slack... ----- Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel Now, behind the scenes, we will be monitoring to make sure that Scorpion sales don't crash and that the economy does not suffer. If it does, we can turn off the availability of the ship in minutes. We'll just point out that the Ishukone Watch only made a limited number of ships to sell to capsuleers and that supply has now run out.
If we need to go even slower, we can and will.
Clearly you need to pull the concept of magically spawning ships completely.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I had scheduled the Ishukone Watch Scorpion for late August.
And if it's a problem, we won't even start then.
Let's wait a few months and see if the right thing to do is to keep waiting or roll it out.
How can it NOT be a problem.
Will you be compensating Scorpion manufacturers? No. Will it affect Scorpion sales? Yes Does it set a ridiculous precedent for ruining the economy? Yes
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
So basically you told the CSM that you were doing it and they had no choice but to like it or lump it.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Have you been paying attention at all? Right now the plan is to be able to buy said Scorp for AUR, without having to trade in anything else, let alone another Scorp. They'll "change" that soonÖ, since when do people who have played for more than 6 months really expect CCP to deliver on soonÖ? And why didn't the CSM protest and ask for the new ship to implement as soonÖ happens, afterall, it's just 3-4 months right?
Apart from that, is the AUR amount going to chance the moment people have to also hand in a normal scorp or is that kinda not thought of, as the plan always ways for a direct AUR<>item exchange?
No, I think you might have missed a post. The plan is to put the ship into the EVE client for Incarna 1.0 but not put any in the game yet. In August, we will evaluate how things are going, how long until the store can support either BCPs or trade-ins, and then work with the CSM to pick a launch schedule for the ship.
Looking at the comments I have bolded throughout this post, you can see you are claiming to have put ships for aurum on hold but frankly, it looks like you are just going ahead with this in August as originally planned. How is anything different?
If the Aurum store is not competent enough to do a decent job without completely breaking the player run economy then I suggest you don't go half arsed as usual and end up leaving it as a 'feature' which horribly cripples industrialism for the next 18 months.
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Erichk Knaar I got no problem with Scorp + Aurum = Golden scorp who is primary before even the other scorps.
Aurum = Scorp is just so exploitable its not even funny. I mean, really CCP? You should know your players by now.
I agree with this and share your viewpoint.
About time! Perhaps this can be a lesson to you!
Amazing how getting informed about an issue (like reading the thread and consulting with ppl who know what they are talking about) can help when forming an opinion isn't it... Honestly who can be anything but sad for the CSM.
Hahahahahahahah
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 14/06/2011 16:36:26
Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Erichk Knaar I got no problem with Scorp + Aurum = Golden scorp who is primary before even the other scorps.
Aurum = Scorp is just so exploitable its not even funny. I mean, really CCP? You should know your players by now.
I agree with this and share your viewpoint.
I just wanted to say that, you're obviously in line with what the community wants. But in a 14 page threadnuat you posted without reading what peoples were ****ed off about. it was like walking into a landmine with a minesweeper. :P just to show you what set all this off.
Quote: In this first version of the store, we don't yet have support for BPCs. Specifically, we can't tell the BPC how many runs it has on it. So we can't use that as a way to sell the Ishukone Watch Scorpion battleship. Right now our plan is to temporarily sell whole ships until this fall when we will switch to requiring a normal Scorpion as part of the price. BPCs would have worked too, if we could support that. The CSM felt that a short period of time selling the whole ship would not meaningfully hurt the EVE economy or Scorpion ship builders.
You see, it doesn't say, August, it doesn't say 1 week period, it just says "the CSM think it's ok!"
So people were expecting you to be like "awww hell no, we didn't say it was ok, we came to an agreement"
And the agreement is fine. It's just kinda a big deal for a CCP employ to misquote a CSM point of view. Despite all the anger sometimes thrown at you guys take as a sign of love. That people care at all to be angry, they consider you the last thing stopping MT from becoming "cash = ship" which as far as we were all aware was something the CSM wanted.
So yeah if it's true it's always been the case then.. well.. ok cool. Just remember, people are not freaking out over nothing, they were freaking out over the lack of details on a subject, in which the only bone we were thrown was "we're releasing this asap, and the CSm think it's a good idea and fully support cash for ship without trade in, as long as we replace the offer at some point"
also it would be nice if the CSM took some of the idea in the thread and shoved them down CCP throats. Namely one idea. Which was to have the aurum store sell a token. And make the ship exchange take place in the LP store we already have in the game. Which can already take a ship trade in.
edit: was still typing this before you replied.
I still think it might for far to say that CCP shouldn't speak for the CSM. :P and yes I'm relaxed now, and glad it's being backpedaled.
Quote: I made that post and then one of our logistics/finance guys starts explaining all the ways he'd abuse this. Let's say from the time I posted that "one week wouldn't be a big deal" to now I have changed my stance on this significantly.
That's kinda all you had to say xP I wasn't worried it was going to happen I was worried you, as a CSM member, didn't see the horrible loopholes of the planed execution.
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Draco Llasa
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Marlona Sky
1. For one week, you will have: Insert money, get spaceship game! and pray, pray very hard that it actually stops after that one week and the flood gates don't open...
2. The CSM ok'd this. Bad CSM!
you are simply getting a skin, whats the harm.. as im sure its noted there is impact on production supplies and such long term if this is kept as a pay money for ship thing but assuming CCP hold to their word it wont be that way..
I personally (and i think others) support vanity items (even skinned ships) for AUR assuming the delivery method is right which ccp has acknowledged.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:33:00 -
[504]
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 14/06/2011 16:21:04
Originally by: Vincent Athena OK everyone, its gone:
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I got a break between meetings. I have 11 minutes to post again in this thread. I apologize I haven't been able to read all the posts.
I had a chance to talk to the CSM and get a clarification. I was not remembering it some parts correctly. At that time, we talked about only making the ship available for one week as a test (sold directly for Aurum) and then saving it until we had the correct trade-in or BPC functionality in the store. Then selling it normally.
The CSM didn't like the idea of selling a whole ship, but they could live with a one week test.
What I will do is take the ship off the schedule and just put it on hold for now. We are still going to make it available, but I will wait until August and see how things are going. By then I will know more about how long it will take to get either BPC or trade-in functionality into the store. At that point we can revisit the schedule for introducing the ship.
I bolded the part you should be paying attention to.
1. For one week, you will have: Insert money, get spaceship game! and pray, pray very hard that it actually stops after that one week and the flood gates don't open...
2. The CSM ok'd this. Bad CSM!
We ok'ed this as a way for Zinfandel to be able to gather data and test the popularity of these things. The amount of "creation of items with nothing but $$" would be limited during that period (the "exchange a 'made' scorpion with a golden one was not deemed initially doable due to technical constraints they'd have to program around). So, given the limited time period, it was thus deemed an acceptable compromise for us.
CSM 5 and CSM 6 have made their stance on RMT clear to CCP, and CCP understands the principle under which we are comfortable with them operating.
Obviously, ideally, we wouldn't want any RMT, but it's always a matter of reaching acceptable compromise. Having a die-hard stance will accomplish nothing in this instance. Sooo... Given the limitations, I personally think this is still the way to go. Cut CCP some slack...
There are a whole host of things that we have been looking forward to in Incarna in particular that now have the spectre of only being available via MT's ... What is currently on the table for RMT's and what is the CSM's stance on those items.
For example, would it cost real money to have a customised captains quarters, or corporate conference room?...
Would you have to pay real money for corp/alliance decals on your ship?...
If ccp wants feedback on this they can TELL US what they are considering... and we can tell them what we consider acceptable, or not. and this before a single line of code is written or hour of dev time wasted. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Spank on 14/06/2011 16:35:22 edit
save it for another time, subject of the thread is more important ~~~
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:33:00 -
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CCP, This is the kind of BS that I hate the most. You're losing credibility by implementing a feature that you know the community in general doesn't want: MT. Yet, you decide to proceed calming and cooing us with prostrations that it will be in a way that is acceptable to the vast majority of your players. When it finally comes time to implement it you do so in a way that is completely unacceptable.
Now, you're backing off until August...or so you say. And what, may I ask, in August will you present us with? Seriously, I'm waiting for the hat to drop concerning the Isukone Scorpion. I'm expecting that it will be as you say: Normal ship + aurum = Isukone Scorpion. Except I fully expect you guys to 'inform' us that it will have different stats that "only slightly" make it more powerful. Right? Is that the next detail you're going to try and slip in?
Your explanation during the tourney was less than convincing. You stated that the Isukone Scorpion would be functionally similar. Yet the example you used implies that ALL combat ships are functionally similar. I want to know, is the Isukone Scorpion identical in stats as a regular Scorpion? Will it have the same shield, armor and structure hitpoints? Will it have the same number of highslots, mids, lows? Will it have the same number of missile launcher hardpoints? Will it have the same em, therm, kin, exp resistances? Will it have the same number of points for cpu, power grid, cap recharge? Will it have the same targeting range? Will it have the same sig radius, alignment times? Will it have the same speed at normal, ab and mwd speeds? Will it have the same cargo space? Will it have the same bonuses? Will anything not mentioned, aside from the paint job, on the Isukone Scorpion differ from the Scorpion that is currently available on the market?
I know that I'm asking a lot of detailed questions. Unfortunately, it seems without asking you very pointed and specific questions we can no longer trust you to give us answers that aren't susceptible to interpretation to the extent that they are rendered unreliable.
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Misha M'Liena
Amarr 21st Eridani Lighthorse Eves Misguided Children
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:33:00 -
[507]
Obviously, ideally, we wouldn't want any RMT, but it's always a matter of reaching acceptable compromise. Having a die-hard stance will accomplish nothing in this instance. Sooo... Given the limitations, I personally think this is still the way to go. Cut CCP some slack...
Uhhh, Did you just say that your allowing ccp to get away with rmt? Misha.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:35:00 -
[508]
Originally by: Draco Llasa
Originally by: Marlona Sky
1. For one week, you will have: Insert money, get spaceship game! and pray, pray very hard that it actually stops after that one week and the flood gates don't open...
2. The CSM ok'd this. Bad CSM!
you are simply getting a skin, whats the harm.. as im sure its noted there is impact on production supplies and such long term if this is kept as a pay money for ship thing but assuming CCP hold to their word it wont be that way..
I personally (and i think others) support vanity items (even skinned ships) for AUR assuming the delivery method is right which ccp has acknowledged.
the point of a CSM delegate is to promote the wishes of the players as a whole... not your own personal preferences. This should have been brought up By you in a thread in assembly hall where you said... CCP has come to us with this, there are the following issues to consider... what would you find acceptable...
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:38:00 -
[509]
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 14/06/2011 16:39:53 Dear terrible CSM guy,
besides your duty is to bring OUR opinions to CCP and not yours, the following is a piece of crock:
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The ship is going into the client but you can't get it until they figure out a way to make this work without magically making scorpions out of thin air.
I opened a random LP store where I can trade in a regular ship + tokens + LP + whatever or even do the same for a BPC and I get a faction ship (= different model, skin and ID)
So what's so hard adding a LP store entry where you trade a scorpion + aurum + whatever and get a new one?
Oh wait, that would mean they have to DELIVER over an already (awful but) FUNCTIONAL LP store while they want to implement some colorful, aurum dedicated new POS right? IE duplication of functionality and screwup for game economy just to beta test the OH SO REQUESTED RMT aurum.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:38:00 -
[510]
We all should just calm down and consult the meeting minutes from the CSM Summit which was in May to see what was actually said...
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