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Vertinox Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.09.11 13:50:00 - [1] - Quote I have neither the time nor the capacity to transport all my goods to Jita from 10 jumps away. I am considering using a hauling contract to resolve this issue. What is a fair price to pay people hauling your goods? Is it a percentage of the entire cost? A flat rate per jump? Also what is the max amount of cargo you can expect a hauler to reasonably carry for you? (I have a lot... Over 100K m3)
William Walker House Aratus Fatal Ascension 62	Posted - 2012.09.11 13:53:00 - [2] - Quote Whatever you charge, cover your assets with collateral.
Cameron Zero Red Federation 95	Posted - 2012.09.11 14:26:00 - [3] - Quote Look up Red Frog Freight or Push Industries in game. Both charge fair prices to haul, and can haul 900k m3 or more per trip. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GÇª"
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 629	Posted - 2012.09.11 14:26:00 - [4] - Quote take a look at Red Frog Freight. http://red-frog.org/jumps.php And Push industries, I guess. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.
Yeoman Uitoh Red Frog Freight 1	Posted - 2012.09.11 16:27:00 - [5] - Quote Red Frog Freight is a corporation which only purpose is to haul stuff for others. Red Frog Freight is part of the Red Frog Alliance, this alliance consist out of: Red Frog Freight: High-sec freighting service with a max of 1 billion collateral. Blue Frog Logistics: High-sec freighting service for high collateral shipments (up to 5bil). Black Frog Logistics: Low-sec / Null-sec jumpfreighter service. Besides Red Frog there is also Push Industries which do almost the same thing. For more information about RFF, check my bio or go to our website: http://red-frog.org/jumps.php Or you could join our channel: Red Frog Freight in game and ask questions. Us froggers are always happy to help you get your answers. EDIT: Just did a look at our website. 10 jumps would cost 5.500.000 ISK. If all your stuff together is worth below 1billion ISK and less then 860.000 m3 you can fit it in 1 contract. Do you want something shipped in high-sec. Is it below 1bil worth and under 860k m3. Look no further... Red Frog Freight can ship it for you. More info, join channel: RF Freight
Ryelek d'Entari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 46	Posted - 2012.09.11 20:27:00 - [6] - Quote There's a couple ways to look at it. For freighter-sized loads, just look at Red Frog and/or Push. They pretty much set the pricing for the industry. You can ship more valuable loads or pay less using open market contracts, but in either case your contract might not get picked up (or might not be delivered). For smaller loads that you want to just put up as public contracts: Price your collateral appropriately. Always set the collateral value at or above replacement pricing. This isn't usually what you bought it for, Jita buy pricing, or even Jita sell pricing. It's how much ISK/headache it would cost you to replace it quickly at the point of destination. Or if you're transporting goods for sale, it's the price you plan on selling it at. Keep in mind that you're renting their capital. I find that a minimum contract reward of 0.5% of collateral means my contracts get shipped pretty quickly. Keep in mind the total collateral value. Anything > 200M which can be transported in an industrial (rather than a freigher) is potentially gankbait, and anything > 2B is just plain gankbait regardless. Smart haulers know this: dumb haulers don't (yet). Keep in mind where you're shipping to and from, how far it is, and whether the route goes through any chokes like Niarja. For industrial sized loads, a minimum of 100k/jump is reasonable. For freighter sized loads, see RF/Push. So, for freighters, ~500k/jump is pretty much the going rate. For industrials, the maximum of (100k/jump) or (0.5% of collateral) seems to be pretty reasonable, as long as it's to/from/near a market hub. You can also break up your hauling into multiple chunks, whether that be to allow for indy-sized loads, to spread the risk, or whatever. This usually ends up costing a bit extra, and there's no guarantee it won't end up all in someone's freighter hold anyway.
L'ouris Have Naught Subsidiaries 56	Posted - 2012.09.12 02:37:00 - [7] - Quote Redfrog has never failed me. +1
Evelyn Meiyi Meiyi Family Holdings 40	Posted - 2012.09.12 03:37:00 - [8] - Quote Vertinox wrote: I have neither the time nor the capacity to transport all my goods to Jita from 10 jumps away. I am considering using a hauling contract to resolve this issue. What is a fair price to pay people hauling your goods? Is it a percentage of the entire cost? A flat rate per jump? Also what is the max amount of cargo you can expect a hauler to reasonably carry for you? (I have a lot... Over 100K m3) If you contract out, be certain that the collateral is more than your goods are worth. That will prevent your contractor from taking the money and then selling your goods. It's fair to ask double what your cargo is worth -- that way, any serious offers won't be scared off by collateral they can't deposit, and anyone trying to rip you off by stealing your shipment will lose money if they try and sell it. Also, go with Red frog Freight or a similar transport company if you want to be sure you'll get your money's worth -- they're very reliable (I've used them on more than one occasion) and their website shows the status of your shipment. Generally speaking, if a client requests that I make a delivery, I charge a nominal one-time fee) in addition to the purchase price of the goods to offset the time I might spend 'deadheading' (flying with an empty cargo hold) on the way back. This isn't a common practice, though, so you'll probably pay your hauler by a different method.
J'Poll Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn 399	Posted - 2012.09.12 08:07:00 - [9] - Quote I would say, try Red Frog. I've been using them for almost a year now. Always a nice quick delivery (longest contract took about 1day to complete). And because their whole purpose is to ship stuff for others they are very unlikely to scam you. As this will only hurt their image and without image nobody will use them anymore. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction
Pinstar Colton Sweet Asteroid Acres 259	Posted - 2012.09.12 16:41:00 - [10] - Quote And since Red Frog does a flat fee per shipment, it would be in your best interest to gather 1 bil/ 860k m3 worth of stuff before giving them a call, that makes the cost per item shipped much lower. Depending on what you intend to ship and the isk to m3 ratio, you'll probably hit the limit one way or another, but it doesn't make sense to call them until you've hit one of the two caps. For those of you who may think "Hey, why pay someone else to ship my stuff, I'll just train up and get my own freighter and ship for free!" 1. Look at the cost of a freighter + skill books to train for it 2. Look at the cost of calling Red Frog to ship your stuff for it. 3. Divide the freighter cost by the red frog cost to see how many red frog trips it would take to make owning and flying your own worth it. 4. Ask yourself "How many freighter loads will I need to self-ship to 'pay for' my freighter compared to hiring Red Frog. This is all making the (bad) assumption that skill training time and self-shipping flight time are not factors. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Marsan Production N Destruction INC. 46	Posted - 2012.09.12 18:32:00 - [11] - Quote It's also import to note 40,000 m3 is the magic Orca Corp hold size. I find for really valuable shipments in HS it's the only way people will except such shipments. (It's going to cost you.)


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