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Mukutep
Assero Argentum
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:06:00 -
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This gave me a good chuckle this morning, considering recent events.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/16/hacker-group-labeled-schoolboys/
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:42:00 -
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Perhaps it's completely hypocritical, but I have no problem with them taking down a fox news site.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:47:00 -
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DDOS isnt hacking
Great these obese kids are going to branded hackers now, I installed EVE today, I guess that makes me CEO of CCP -.-
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Kalle Demos
DDOS isnt hacking
Great these obese kids are going to branded hackers now, I installed EVE today, I guess that makes me CEO of CCP -.-
Might want to follow their twitter. They certainly are hackers.
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Iva Posavec
Posavec Innovations
Takhar Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos
DDOS isnt hacking
Great these obese kids are going to branded hackers now, I installed EVE today, I guess that makes me CEO of CCP -.-
They DDOS at times, not all the time. Pay attention. 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:33:00 -
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"Time spent throwing bricks through other people's digital windows doesn't actually teach anyone anything about glassmaking, glazing or civil engineering,"
Heh, I disagree.
It certainly does make people want to start using brick-resistant glass, and somebody has to learn to make it cheap.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:57:00 -
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Sorry I dont follow media, I only heard of these ***s this week, but if they are hackers then im all for them, after all trolls created the internet and what they create they can destroy!
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:49:00 -
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If you consider yourself a hacker and you have time to spare, grow some moral spine and use your skills for active benefit."
"Follow the lead of a guy like Johnny Long and hackersforcharity.org," he added. "I dare you to look at his site and decide that LulzSec is a more worthwhile cause.
I dared, is it a coincidence that I can't reach it?
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Khysanth Onyx
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Khysanth Onyx on 16/06/2011 17:22:53
I turned on the news this morning and they were on FOX for attacking the CIA public site. The commentator was like "it's so unfortunate, they could probably make a lot of money if they turned their efforts towards good"
I was like /o\ mfw don't encourage them. They're trying to build a reputation for themselves to do just that probably.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.06.16 17:34:00 -
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DDOS is one thing many times it is just a digital protest, and a nuance. (Most of the time.) Hacking into and posting personal info is another. That's just a **** move.
And the reasoning "Well if you don't add enough security you're asking for it." On top of that they then proclaimed what if someone were to do something malicious with it? (kinda like posting it on the internet?)
Really? By that logic because you only locked your car doors, and didn't buy reinforced bullet proof glass you were asking for your car to get stolen? Or because you only have one lock on your door your house should be robbed. Or because you're a women you're asking to get ****d. (I mean why else would you not lock your vagina?)
Wtf is up with this blame the victim crap? So someone please explain to me why digital theft is such an "awesome" thing?
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Or because you're a women you're asking to get ****d. (I mean why else would you not lock your vagina?)
Isn't this exactly why Muslim men force women to wear hijabs? So that the men aren't to blame if they **** some woman who chose not to wear full body coverings?
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Kattshiro
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.16 23:40:00 -
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^
That's partially true. However the above point is still valid. Muslim reasoning isn't always...well logical or fair or both.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.17 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
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"Time spent throwing bricks through other people's digital windows doesn't actually teach anyone anything about glassmaking, glazing or civil engineering,"
Heh, I disagree.
It certainly does make people want to start using brick-resistant glass, and somebody has to learn to make it cheap.
A hint of Just World Fallacy detected.
(http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07/the-just-world-fallacy/)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.17 11:21:00 -
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Hint, maybe.
Then again, you can't deny that the security measures the targets of hacking have been employing were, how to put it, laughable.
It's not like accidentally drunk walking in a bad neighbourhood, it's like moving bars of gold in an unguarded transparent van on a daily basis through war-torn territories. One's an understandable mistake plus bad luck, the other is complete lack of foresight.
Would this have been a proper hack by somebody that wanted to really do some damage (and profit heavily from it) as opposed to "doing it for the lulz", things would have been far, far worse.
You'd think the targets would get slightly less horrible at security because of it.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.17 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Hint, maybe.
Then again, you can't deny that the security measures the targets of hacking have been employing were, how to put it, laughable.
It's not like accidentally drunk walking in a bad neighbourhood, it's like moving bars of gold in an unguarded transparent van on a daily basis through war-torn territories. One's an understandable mistake plus bad luck, the other is complete lack of foresight.
Would this have been a proper hack by somebody that wanted to really do some damage (and profit heavily from it) as opposed to "doing it for the lulz", things would have been far, far worse.
You'd think the targets would get slightly less horrible at security because of it.
The security was indeed lauhgable, but they are still victims and do in not way "deserve it".
Just becuase it is easy to get into your local banks vault (since they manager is a total idiot and build it ontop of a sewer chanel or something) does not mean they deserve to get robbed ;).
Having as bad security is stupid, yes, not denying that, but they are still victims, and lulzsec is not the good guy (or "little raskals") as many make them out to be.
As for "the lulz", perhaps funny to lulzsec, but I doubt it is very funny to the customers that gets thier perosnal data exposed and stolen.
Not only directed at you Akita, but also in general to many of the reponses I see in regards to lulzsec and their actions.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.17 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Having as bad security is stupid, yes, not denying that, but they are still victims, and lulzsec is not the good guy (or "little raskals") as many make them out to be.
I didn't say they're to be considered good guys
Just that the victim should have learned his lesson now, and do a less pathetic job next time somebody will try (because somebody will).
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Just becuase it is easy to get into your local banks vault (since they manager is a total idiot and build it ontop of a sewer chanel or something) does not mean they deserve to get robbed ;).
"Deserve", obviously not. Nobody "deserves" to be robbed.
"Had it coming" though, sure. There's only so much you can use the "ostrich defense" before getting smashed.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.17 11:50:00 -
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And how Akita is that related to DDOS'ing games and gaming sites? Sure they can improve their security, spend a small fortune on DDOS protection, are you willing to pay that?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.17 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
And how Akita is that related to DDOS'ing games and gaming sites?
It's not. But that's just one of the things they did, not all they did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LulzSec
There you go.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2011.06.17 15:51:00 -
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Blaming the victim can only work if it's the victim's fault.
It might have been partly Sony's fault that they got hacked for their security being so poor, but it is absolutely not the fault of the millions of gamers who had their details exposed.
I'm just grateful they're only in it for the Lulz, it'd be a lot worse if these were a bunch of fraudsters or something. In an absurd sort of way, by kicking companies' security into gear, they might even be doing us a favour.
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.06.18 00:43:00 -
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I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff so forgive me if I've missed the painfully obvious but how do we know that any other company would have fared any better? I mean has anyone taken a look at CCP's or Sony's security measures and determined that they were inadequate? And yes I'm pushing aside the fact that everyone is calling them "schoolboys" and amateurs because we don't know that any of that is a certainty.
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.18 01:52:00 -
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... the new forums were taken down due to security issues.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.06.18 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
A hint of Just World Fallacy detected.
(http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07/the-just-world-fallacy/)
That link sir is pure GENIUS, it recopilates in a simple easy to browse format, most of the world's truths. Also LOL at the world phallacy, I have been trying to teach these, under diff names to a lot of people since I was in my 20's only to have the "backfire" effect on me saying I am "an evil, horrid person whose only joy is destroying other's lives and everything I say is blasphemy". MEH
Nice book, will pirate it when it becomes available for download 
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Archipelago Theory
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Tiratore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 05:00:00 -
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Cracker*
And no i don't mean the racial slur
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Rockstar from Mars
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Posted - 2011.06.19 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
In an absurd sort of way, by kicking companies' security into gear, they might even be doing us a favour.
Its not really absurd. Its often the motivation.
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