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P42ALPHA Gallente DeadOn.	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:20:00 - [1] Right now there is a hearing on a law being brought to congress covering all the online attacks taken place in the last few weeks. Tune into C-SPAN if interested. Our internet rights are about to be squashed. For anyone interested.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:21:00 - [2] Originally by: P42ALPHA Right now there is a hearing on a law being brought to congress covering all the online attacks taken place in the last few weeks. Tune into C-SPAN if interested. Our internet rights are about to be squashed. For anyone interested. Step 1) Problem Step 2) Reacton Step 3) Solution We have passed steps 1 and 2, and now onto step 3.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: P42ALPHA Right now there is a hearing on a law being brought to congress covering all the online attacks taken place in the last few weeks. Tune into C-SPAN if interested. Our internet rights are about to be squashed. For anyone interested. Step 1) Problem Step 2) Reacton Step 3) Solution We have passed steps 1 and 2, and now onto step 3. Pretty much. Anyway, its not a big issue. Freedom of speech still exists in the US, but if you shout fire in a theatre and someone gets hurt you go to jail. Same concept.
Wen Jaibao Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:26:00 - [4] Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 16/06/2011 22:27:22 Nice false flag operation, US Govt. Most people bought it (lulzsec) hook line and sinker, and now you can pass whatever legislation you want.
Night Epoch Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:27:00 - [5] Yeah, DDoS'ing a company's servers, depriving them of their economic livelihood: not covered under freedom of speech. It's simply a crime.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:28:00 - [6] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 16/06/2011 22:28:17 Is this going to be like Egypt? They turn off the internet so everyone goes nuts and ousts the president? Cause if so I'm totally on board And yes, I know it wasn't because of ~~falcon~~ internet Originally by: Xenuria I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:36:00 - [7] Quote: Pretty much. Anyway, its not a big issue. Freedom of speech still exists in the US, but if you shout fire in a theatre and someone gets hurt you go to jail. Same concept. Free speach monitoring on the internet is very different than the example you give. Yelling "the theater is on fire" in an internet blog cannot be contruded to be a danger to people in a theater..unless we have an overzealous government out of control with their own self importance, deciding that somehow this is the same dangerous thing. So who determines what is "dangerous speech" on the internet? The FCC? The president? The democrats or the republicans? Whatever odd ball faction is in power at the time? I'm sorry but this is a slippery slope I do not wish to allow them to get to the edge of. Denial of service hackers now, your political speech tomorrow. It's the old freedom for security trade off that we need to be wary of.
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Barbara Nichole Quote: Pretty much. Anyway, its not a big issue. Freedom of speech still exists in the US, but if you shout fire in a theatre and someone gets hurt you go to jail. Same concept. Free speach monitoring on the internet is very different than the example you give. Yelling "the theater is on fire" in an internet blog cannot be contruded to be a danger to people in a theater..unless we have an overzealous government out of control with their own self importance, deciding that somehow this is the same dangerous thing. So who determines what is "dangerous speech" on the internet? The FCC? The president? The democrats or the republicans? Whatever odd ball faction is in power at the time? I'm sorry but this is a slippery slope I do not wish to allow them to get to the edge of. Denial of service hackers now, your political speech tomorrow. It's the old freedom for security trade off that we need to be wary of. This sin't about regulating speech on the internet, its about regulating actions. I used the freedom of speech example because that is the closest thing the US has to this. Freedom of speech hasn't been killed, internet usability won't either.
Shiganaru C0NVICTED	Posted - 2011.06.16 22:51:00 - [9] Edited by: Shiganaru on 16/06/2011 22:52:21 Leave it to the government to use something like this to their advantage. The recent DDoS and other attacks by Lulzsec are and always will be illegal by the laws already in place. Something to understand though is that unless Lulzsec slips up somewhere or someone who knows them turns them in, it is nearly impossible to catch them. However, Lulzsec has a twitter account and their own website with a domain name. It is only a matter of the appropriate warrants being served to get their information from the domain registrar. . .so they won't last long. As for freedom of speech, feel free to say anything you want, as long as it does not infringe on somebody else rights. (Copyright Infringement, Defamation, Intentional/Unintentional Harm or threats, etc) The recent action by the America government at least have been to shut down illegal websites or websites supporting illegal or terrorist activities. There is a very fine line to walk there, but it has to be done.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.06.16 23:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Shiganaru Edited by: Shiganaru on 16/06/2011 22:52:21 Leave it to the government to use something like this to their advantage. The recent DDoS and other attacks by Lulzsec are and always will be illegal by the laws already in place. Something to understand though is that unless Lulzsec slips up somewhere or someone who knows them turns them in, it is nearly impossible to catch them. However, Lulzsec has a twitter account and their own website with a domain name. It is only a matter of the appropriate warrants being served to get their information from the domain registrar. . .so they won't last long. As for freedom of speech, feel free to say anything you want, as long as it does not infringe on somebody else rights. (Copyright Infringement, Defamation, Intentional/Unintentional Harm or threats, etc) The recent action by the America government at least have been to shut down illegal websites or websites supporting illegal or terrorist activities. There is a very fine line to walk there, but it has to be done. Lulzsec, a hacker group banging everyone's site, including the CIA, and bragging about it. Something tells me they're prolly smart enough not to use identifying information on their registrar. Somehow, I doubt they even connect directly to anything they touch publicly. But you're right about one thing. It's only a matter of time....until someone does do something that identifies them.
Mspaine Amarr Knights of Solitude Knights of the Rising Phoenix	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard Originally by: Miilla Originally by: P42ALPHA Right now there is a hearing on a law being brought to congress covering all the online attacks taken place in the last few weeks. Tune into C-SPAN if interested. Our internet rights are about to be squashed. For anyone interested. Step 1) Problem Step 2) Reacton Step 3) Solution We have passed steps 1 and 2, and now onto step 3. Pretty much. Anyway, its not a big issue. Freedom of speech still exists in the US, but if you shout fire in a theatre and someone gets hurt you go to jail. Same concept. ahahahaha free speech - sorry i had to laugh. Are you all realy that blind to the fact you're rights are being taken from you on an allmost daily basis. Every new bill that Obama pushes thru is an assault on you're freedoms of speech. The people meant to "Serve and Protect" you have degraded into Thuggs who's main job is to incite fear and raise revenue. People that expose the truth - the dirty and bloody stuff that goes on behind the closed doors of yuo're government - are percecuted and trialed for bringing the truth to light. Your media is controlled by you're government. You're being conditioned to be submissive and accept their authority (Flouride - TSA - Healthcare bill - Being treated like dirt by thugg cops and percecuted if you film them doing so and bring it to the net for all to see - you cant even use it as your'e defence in court they dismiss it) The pharmacuticle companies dont want to create cures - Only treatments that address the symptoms because they see if you've got ill health for a lifetime they've been guarenteed a lifetime of profits from you. Wake up and take a look around at what's realy happening. P.s - they're prepared if you ever wake up to whats happening and stand up to do something about it. All those FEMA prison camps arnt there to help people in situations of natural disaster. they're there for when you stand up and tell them enuogh is enough. Prison camps 2.0
Antihrist Pripravnik Scorpion Road Industry	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Wen Jaibao Nice false flag operation, US Govt. Most people bought it (lulzsec) hook line and sinker, and now you can pass whatever legislation you want. +1 --- The EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party
checkprices	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:43:00 - [13] ZOMG! **** Germany allz overs agains! Here comes the camps, and guys in black to arrests youz in yourz homes if you post something anti governments! ZOMGs! Egypt all overs againz. Listen if you can still protest at a soldiers funeral..then counter sue, and win. Or lie about winning the medal of honor, and win. I think you being a jackass on the internet and spouting how Obama is going to incorporation commie, fascist, Sharia law... I think you'll be ok. Also consider that the NSA has long ago setup up monitors. Also consider that most of what you monitor or do isn't technically or legally private. Given how the internet works on a request/service environment. On top of that if you do spout out random crap on the internet ANYONE can read it because it's akin talking loudly in a public place. (all most sites ask for is a login which consists of email and a user name.) But your IP address by it's very nature is not private. What you should be worried about is net neutrality... Which is just another way to make a buck off you.
yani dumyat Minmatar Pixie Cats	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:48:00 - [14] Can anyone post links to proposed internet changes within the UK or EU? I know David Cameron has been talking about internet security but can't seem to find anything concrete. If the USA's wanting to make changes that affect the EU then you can guarantee the UK's in it up to their eyeballs. I've been watching the whole lulzsec thing closely and frankly it stinks, if these are just script kiddies then someone who knows what they're doing is trolling them hard. Doesn't matter if they're in it for lulz, CC numbers or political reasons, the people making capital off their actions are the ones to watch.
Dirk Magnum Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:51:00 - [15] DDOS of an internet server that generates income for its legal owner is like going to someone's shop and nailing unbreakable barriers over all the doors and windows so nobody can get in. Yeah, this is really a free speech issue Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe that stuff like this will lead the government to crack down on the internet, and probably do so in ways that are poorly reasoned or justified. But don't think that the harmful activity of LulzSec is just them expressing their first amendment rights.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:01:00 - [16] Im sure that Congress will react inappropriately. But wtf does a DDoS attack have to do with freedom of speech? If you want an analogy its more like rolling boulder up against a businesses front door during office hours. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Snake Scofield	Posted - 2011.06.17 02:06:00 - [17] I should imagine they're going to target the way they were able to collaborate and plan the attacks using anonymous methods. Going to be more ISP accountability.
Orlacc	Posted - 2011.06.17 02:13:00 - [18] And when they haul little Timmy or Hans or Igor into court, there parents will be outraged at the treatment they are receiving. "He was planning to be a doctor/lawyer/peace corp volunteer."
P42ALPHA Gallente DeadOn.	Posted - 2011.06.17 02:37:00 - [19] After watching it all, it seems they are targeting the companies that store the data, how they secure it. And there response time informing there costumers, and authorities. They also mention the lack of Federal laws that allow them to prosecute the hackers-compared to state, and local laws. They also talked alot about, the amount of time that a company can store data of old costumers. And who they can distribute it to. Really surprised they are putting some of the responsibility were it belongs.

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