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HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Dirk Magnum I ENTERED ALL OF MY EMAILS ON THAT WEBSITE TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE ALL SECURE AND THEY ARE AND NOTHING BAD CAN POSSIBLY COME OF THIS SO I'M GOING TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE ALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILYS EMAILS ARE ALSO NOT ON THE HACKED LIST BY ENTERING THEIR EMAILS ON THAT WEBSITE OKAY. Don't forget those passwords!! You never know where they might be already!!1111
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:37:00 - [32] I really doubt Gizmodo is trying to F- over people who visit their site. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Kewso	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:41:00 - [33] Edited by: Kewso on 17/06/2011 00:43:31 Edited by: Kewso on 17/06/2011 00:41:51 Lulzsec made the NMA world edition news haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udcnlLXUh8E Eve makes a cameo as one of the buildings ----------------------- A Dysfunctional Playground
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:42:00 - [34] Edited by: Ghoest on 17/06/2011 00:42:17 Oh ya I want to publicly mock this - Originally by: Soden Rah crackers... I thought that term died when all the 14 year olds from 10 years ago grew up. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:47:00 - [35] Originally by: Kewso ... youtube ... Yeah that's somehow funny ... lol Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 17/06/2011 00:42:17 Oh ya I want to publicly mock this - Originally by: Soden Rah crackers... I thought that term died when all the 14 year olds from 10 years ago grew up. Media never made a difference between them, so the term Cracker never caught up in broader public. I don't know for sure, but i believe that Hackers care about the difference. Besides ... it's the right term. Media just "helped" putting them all in one pot, making all of them criminals.
Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:53:00 - [36] Originally by: Gizmodo Update: Hacker News quotes Mikko Hypponen of security firm F-Secure, who bets the leak's origin is the user database of writerspace.com, an obscure, 90s-looking "Website for Writers." Why? Many of the passwords reference books, reading, or "writerspace" itself.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:55:00 - [37] No its not the right term. "hacker" is very old term and since the dawn of computing + phone has meant what it still means. "Cracker" was a term that kids made up to replace "hacker" since they wanted to be called "hacker" but didnt want the grief that comes with it. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:57:00 - [38] More than half of those are repeats. I smell a fake. I can't heal stupid
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.17 00:59:00 - [39] Edited by: Solstice Project on 17/06/2011 01:00:33 Originally by: Ghoest No its not the right term. "hacker" is very old term and since the dawn of computing + phone has meant what it still means. "Cracker" was a term that kids made up to replace "hacker" since they wanted to be called "hacker" but didnt want the grief that comes with it. [citation needed] Originally by: Aiwha More than half of those are repeats. I smell a fake. I can't tell, but i wouldn't bet any of my accounts on it.
Tach Narrows Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:04:00 - [40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gizmodo If you don't like the game, why do you play it?

Baaldor Ascendent. Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Ghoest No its not the right term. "hacker" is very old term and since the dawn of computing + phone has meant what it still means. "Cracker" was a term that kids made up to replace "hacker" since they wanted to be called "hacker" but didnt want the grief that comes with it. Quote: "One theory holds that the term comes from the common diet of poor whites. According to the 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, it is a term of contempt for the "poor" or "mean whites," particularly of the U.S. states of Georgia and Florida (see Georgia cracker and Florida cracker). Britannica notes that the term dates back to the American Revolution, and is derived from the cracked corn from which cornmeal and grits, which formed their staple food, are made, as well as corn whiskey.[2] (In British English "mean" is also a term for tightfistedness,[3] although in this context that is irrelevant as mean also refers to being ignoble or inferior[4]). Another theory is that the term derives from the sound of a whip being cracked by slave owners or a head negro." just so you know
Khysanth Onyx Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:05:00 - [42] ITT: People reflexively attack the OP because he looks like Powder I want to push you in a mud puddle to OP
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:06:00 - [43] Originally by: Solstice Project Edited by: Solstice Project on 17/06/2011 01:00:33 Originally by: Ghoest No its not the right term. "hacker" is very old term and since the dawn of computing + phone has meant what it still means. "Cracker" was a term that kids made up to replace "hacker" since they wanted to be called "hacker" but didnt want the grief that comes with it. [citation needed] Why do I need a citation, thats like asking for a citation that we used to use rotatory dial phones. I was alive back when we talked about "hackers" and no one had ever heard heard of "crackers" except except as half baked insult for white people. The reason it never caught on is everyone 30-45 knows this. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:09:00 - [44] Originally by: Solstice Project Originally by: Soden Rah Now why would I click on a link, going to a website, run by a band of known crackers... to see if they have my e-mail address and such, so they can infect my computer, and steal the aforementioned details? Stupid ? / Are you serious ? / It's gizmodo. It's safe, even if you don't know it. Or choose gate 4 and download the ****ing list yourself. How often did gizmodo got already hacked and published my user data anyway? ;-)
Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:14:00 - [45] A cracker is someone who breaks into someone else's computer system, often on a network; bypasses passwords or licenses in computer programs; or in other ways intentionally breaches computer security. A cracker can be doing this for profit, maliciously, for some altruistic purpose or cause, or because the challenge is there. Some breaking-and-entering has been done ostensibly to point out weaknesses in a site's security system. The term "cracker" is not to be confused with "hacker". Hackers generally deplore cracking. However, as Eric Raymond, compiler of The New Hacker's Dictionary notes, some journalists ascribe break-ins to "hackers." A classic story of the tracking down of a cracker on the Internet who was breaking into U.S. military and other computers is told in Clifford Stoll's The Cuckoo's Egg. Citation
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 17/06/2011 01:08:02 Originally by: Solstice Project Edited by: Solstice Project on 17/06/2011 01:00:33 Originally by: Ghoest No its not the right term. "hacker" is very old term and since the dawn of computing + phone has meant what it still means. "Cracker" was a term that kids made up to replace "hacker" since they wanted to be called "hacker" but didnt want the grief that comes with it. [citation needed] Why do I need a citation, that is like asking for a citation that we used to use rotatory dial phones. I was alive back when we talked about "hackers" and no one had ever heard heard of "crackers" except except as half baked insult for white people. The reason it never caught on is everyone 30-45 knows this. And every hacker actually knows that you are just wrong. The Problem is, main stream media like the ny times used the term hacker since about the late 70' or early 80's wrong. I hope the term black hat and white hat means anything to you. Or in other words, you seem to miss use the term since it become a term main stream media brought to the public, so for about 30 years. I am impressed. But I will admit, the term is now around so long in the public, that the original meaning in the sub-culture is not really relevant anymore. It is not unheard of the languages adapt and adopt wrong terms, spellings, grammar, whatever if it just used enough. It happens automagical.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla A cracker is someone who breaks into someone else's computer system, often on a network; bypasses passwords or licenses in computer programs; or in other ways intentionally breaches computer security. A cracker can be doing this for profit, maliciously, for some altruistic purpose or cause, or because the challenge is there. Some breaking-and-entering has been done ostensibly to point out weaknesses in a site's security system. The term "cracker" is not to be confused with "hacker". Hackers generally deplore cracking. However, as Eric Raymond, compiler of The New Hacker's Dictionary notes, some journalists ascribe break-ins to "hackers." A classic story of the tracking down of a cracker on the Internet who was breaking into U.S. military and other computers is told in Clifford Stoll's The Cuckoo's Egg. Citation Just because a bunch of nerd kids want to redine a word a they like, does not make it valid. There are old references to "hackers" being people who exploited the phone system back in the 60s from what I understand. In the the late 70s and 80s "hacker" was well accepted as term for someone who broke into computer systems - I remember this. No one had ever heard the term "cracker" then. Stop reading cool kid computer trash literature and learn some history. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Kewso	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:27:00 - [48] hacking, phreaking, cracking, social engineering... many tools for the lulz phreaking used to be fun up to the late 80's but now is lame... by the way the old password cracker 'John the Ripper' has recently been replaced by 1000x faster gpu cracker called Ighashgpu Read article about it here: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/cheap-gpus-are-rendering-strong-passwords-useless/13125 Quote: The results are startling. Working against NTLM login passwords, a password of ôfjR8nö can be broken on the CPU in 24 seconds, at a rate of 9.8 million password guesses per second. On the GPU, it takes less than a second at a rate of 3.3 billion passwords per second. Increase the password to 6 characters (pYDbL6), and the CPU takes 1 hour 30 minutes versus only four seconds on the GPU. Go further to 7 characters (fh0GH5h), and the CPU would grind along for 4 days, versus a frankly worrying 17 minutes 30 seconds for the GPU. You can check it out the program here: http://www.golubev.com/hashgpu.htm ----------------------- A Dysfunctional Playground
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:28:00 - [49] Originally by: Ghoest Just because a bunch of nerd kids want to redine a word a they like, does not make it valid. There are old references to "hackers" being people who exploited the phone system back in the 60s from what I understand. In the the late 70s and 80s "hacker" was well accepted as term for someone who broke into computer systems - I remember this. No one had ever heard the term "cracker" then. Stop reading cool kid computer trash literature and learn some history. Quoting this so it may backfire as rightfully deserved. In other words, your favourite music genre is just 'awkward noise' as that is what your grandma calls it. Hth.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Josefine Etrange And every hacker actually knows that you are just wrong. The Problem is, main stream media like the ny times used the term hacker since about the late 70' or early 80's wrong. I hope the term black hat and white hat means anything to you. Or in other words, you seem to miss use the term since it become a term main stream media brought to the public, so for about 30 years. I am impressed. But I will admit, the term is now around so long in the public, that the original meaning in the sub-culture is not really relevant anymore. It is not unheard of the languages adapt and adopt wrong terms, spellings, grammar, whatever if it just used enough. It happens automagical. The term "cracker" didnt exist back then. "Hacker" did and we all knew what it meant. Stop the revisionist history. I grew up with computer hobbyists and they didnt call themselves "hackers." Im sure some did but the common usage of the term from early on was "Hacking into the system." Wherever you went - Here you are.

Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:31:00 - [51] Edited by: Solstice Project on 17/06/2011 01:33:00 Originally by: Ghoest ... learn some history ... Yeah, you should. Chaos Computer Club I believe he knows better. These guys are really, really good. Sorry about it being in german, though. Edit: "Hacking into the system." ... no argueing about that. It still remains though, that Hackers don't do evil, while Crackers do.
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Omara Otawan Originally by: Ghoest Just because a bunch of nerd kids want to redine a word a they like, does not make it valid. There are old references to "hackers" being people who exploited the phone system back in the 60s from what I understand. In the the late 70s and 80s "hacker" was well accepted as term for someone who broke into computer systems - I remember this. No one had ever heard the term "cracker" then. Stop reading cool kid computer trash literature and learn some history. Quoting this so it may backfire as rightfully deserved. In other words, your favourite music genre is just 'awkward noise' as that is what your grandma calls it. Hth. qft Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Josefine Etrange And every hacker actually knows that you are just wrong. The Problem is, main stream media like the ny times used the term hacker since about the late 70' or early 80's wrong. I hope the term black hat and white hat means anything to you. Or in other words, you seem to miss use the term since it become a term main stream media brought to the public, so for about 30 years. I am impressed. But I will admit, the term is now around so long in the public, that the original meaning in the sub-culture is not really relevant anymore. It is not unheard of the languages adapt and adopt wrong terms, spellings, grammar, whatever if it just used enough. It happens automagical. The term "cracker" didnt exist back then. "Hacker" did and we all knew what it meant. Stop the revisionist history. I grew up with computer hobbyists and they didnt call themselves "hackers." Im sure some did but the common usage of the term from early on was "Hacking into the system." You know how those old unix gurus are called back than, and why? I give you a hint, try to type with 120 strokes a minute on classic ibm model m. The funny thing about your statement is, you are exactly describing what did happen to the term hacker. Its just that YOU are one of the cool kids who abuse the term hacker. Together with a lot of journalist who just did not get what a black hat or a white hat is and just used hacker for everyone who does bad stuff with computer systems. But yeah, your computer hobbyists did not call themselves hackers, which is a good thing, because I am telling you: They were not hackers. They were hobbyists.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:41:00 - [53] You are trying to use a German site to prove that the english work cracker isnt a made up term with respect to computers? I know what "hacker" is I was there. Im totally cool with the "white hat/black hat" thing. But cracker has never been a word referring to anything computers except by a small nerd sub-culture which tried to create the word no one wanted and has been trying to force it on us for 20 years. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:43:00 - [54] Originally by: Josefine Etrange ... Its just that YOU are one of the cool kids who abuse the term hacker. Together with a lot of journalist who just did not get what a black hat or a white hat is and just used hacker for everyone who does bad stuff with computer systems. But yeah, your computer hobbyists did not call themselves hackers, which is a good thing, because I am telling you: They were not hackers. They were hobbyists. +1
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Josefine Etrange Its just that YOU are one of the cool kids who abuse the term hacker. Together with a lot of journalist who just did not get what a black hat or a white hat is and just used hacker for everyone who does bad stuff with computer systems. Once again everyone has always understood what white/black hat means. Notice I never said "hackers" had to be bad - I just said "cracker" is a joke word. Everyone has understood that "cracker" doesnt mean anything - its a contrived word that was never accepted by the general populace. It may make you sad that "cracker" is nothing more than racial slur but thats reality. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:47:00 - [56] Originally by: Ghoest You are trying to use a German site to prove that the english work cracker isnt a made up term with respect to computers? I know what "hacker" is I was there. Im totally cool with the "white hat/black hat" thing. But cracker has never been a word referring to anything computers except by a small nerd sub-culture which tried to create the word no one wanted and has been trying to force it on us for 20 years. Well, at least i'm not writing down mere oppinions but can actually show something, unlike you who just claims to tell the truth and believes everybody else thinks the same, but doesn't show anything that backs him up. Also ... Google Translator helps. So please -> [citation needed]
Constantinus Maximus Paxian Expeditionary Force	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Solstice Project ... here. oh btw ... the whole list is downloadable, too. Have a nice day. Nice phishing thread
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:50:00 - [58] Edited by: Solstice Project on 17/06/2011 01:51:39 Originally by: Ghoest Everyone has understood that "cracker" doesnt mean anything - its a contrived word that was never accepted by the general populace. No it's not. That's the whole point. You just believe it's made up, but it isn't. Which brings us back to the media. It's not about what the population thinks, it's about the meaning of the word and that it exists. Your words just prove our point. Edit: Also ... your generalising way too much. "Everybody knows", "that's reality", "everyone 30-45" ... discussing this way is of no use.
Josefine Etrange Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Ghoest You are trying to use a German site to prove that the english work cracker isnt a made up term with respect to computers? I know what "hacker" is I was there. Im totally cool with the "white hat/black hat" thing. But cracker has never been a word referring to anything computers except by a small nerd sub-culture which tried to create the word no one wanted and has been trying to force it on us for 20 years. Why not using a reference of the biggest hacker organisation of a little 80 million western country that is actually based on hackers sub culture of the 70' ;-) Still, it would be a lot smarter to have used the original English source: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html And while we are at it, that small "nerd sub-culture" you are speaking of are the actually people the terms refer to and the sub-culture is the sub-culture of hackers. Not just the script kiddies ;)
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.06.17 01:56:00 - [60] Originally by: Josefine Etrange http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html True. Thx. :) To my defense, it's 0355 am here and i should sleep already....



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