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Ms Kat
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Posted - 2011.06.17 06:01:00 -
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I just came up witha theory about aurum. Is it possible CCP could be testing the water for a F2P model and seeing if it would actualy work. Testing the water with a cash shop - which aurum basicaly is - and then maybe in the future removing the monthly subscription. I know this may sound mad banana but think about it, do you pay for the game by subscription or just by plex. I know all my accounts are plex and so are most of the people i know.
Just a pre work precoffee thought wanted to get others opinions
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.17 06:05:00 -
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Are you ****ing kidding me?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.17 06:30:00 -
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Why would people sped 15$ a month on items that give no in game advatage?
Not to mention 15$ gets you 100 of each type of clothing currently. People would have nothing left to spend cash on after one purchase.
CCP is doing ti differently than other mmo, just wait and see what happens.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 17/06/2011 07:28:19
Sure, they are testing right now. Once EVE tanks they very well go the way of LOTRO, and for now it worked.
@Mothermoon
common, you are smarter than that no? they would of course add stuff to buy that gives you advantages if they would go ftp. And again, the prices are not the FINAL ONES...you wont get 100 for 1 plex...thats pretty much common knowledge yes?
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:32:00 -
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Just another of the reasons I am quitting coming the 21st.
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Zaara Arran
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Just another of the reasons I am quitting coming the 21st.
inb4 Can I have your stuff?
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: DuKackBoon on 17/06/2011 07:34:39
As long as it only gives you moar bling, I don't have that much of a problem with it. Of course, CCP should scratch Aurum completely, because it goes against EVEs basic principles.
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Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:43:00 -
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With the ease of making isk, it's practically ftp already
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Black Apok
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: DuKackBoon
Edited by: DuKackBoon on 17/06/2011 07:34:39
As long as it only gives you moar bling, I don't have that much of a problem with it. Of course, CCP should scratch Aurum completely, because it goes against EVEs basic principles.
Well, as far as I've seen it on Singularity you can still buy your clothes with ISK, from other players. There'll always be some people that wanna trande real money for ingame money. Or maybe just sell old clothes they don't want anymore.
Might be pretty expensive but still better than spending actual bucks for a virtual tee^^
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 17/06/2011 08:05:35
I think CCP is testing the waters to see just how many people will spend real money for bling.
Hopefully it takes off, and CCP find many things to give people to spend their bling funds on - things like new paint jobs for their existing ships (which is what CCP was trying to do in a slightly braindead fashion with the Ishukone Watch Scorpion), clothing for our virtual barbie dolls, that kind of thing.
Once DUST 514 rolls around, I'd also like to see schematics for planetary combat "stuff" in the store (sold for Aurum) alongside the same thing in LP stores (sold for ISK & LP). Hopefully CCP realises that to get more players involved in the EVE economy, there needs to be more diversity of industry.
I can see that one of the reasons for trying to introduce MTs is to make more money. I don't mind helping them make more money, especially when I get to do so by spending someone else's money (i.e: Buy PLEX with ISK, convert to Aurum, buy items, sell for ISK, buy PLEX, etc).
On the other hand, I reckon it would be really nice if players could sell manufactured items through the EVE Ingame Store for Aurum. Thus one part of the transaction is to buy schematics for Aurum, we go and manufacture the item, then list that item on the store for Aurum, then the dust bunnies can buy the tank we've just manufactured as a completed microtransaction.
The way MT stores work in other games is that you could be sitting in town, you open the MT account page with the ingame browser, buy some Turbine Points with dollars, then use those Turbine Points to buy, say, a buff to XP gain for an hour. That buff is applied immediately - there's basically "instant gratification".
To satisfy this market in EVE, there needs to be a supply of actual items for dust bunnies to buy. We don't want CCP manufacturing items out of thin air, so there needs to be a way for the dust bunny to say, "Hey, I need a tank, stat!" and a capsuleer can then say, "Oh hai! I have tank 4 u - 48 Aurum", dust bunny pays, capsuleer can drop tank on top of dust bunny, "hope u enjoy are prompt and direkt delivary!"
But the key is keeping with the theme of EVE which is player driven economy, and materiel logistics matter.
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Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:01:00 -
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May I requisition your belongings?
Ha! Take that, Zaara 
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Georgiy Giggle on 17/06/2011 08:15:16
Edited by: Georgiy Giggle on 17/06/2011 08:12:18
Donatable currecny is outer ****.
Is eve becoming stupid mmo doll games as aeon, or allods online, or perfect world etc?
I'm against donatable currency, even for such useless item as clothes and ship paints.
I'm going to rid of eve after 21th June, after donatable currency is launched.
And i'm not going even to talk about removing subscription payment. If eve will become FREE TO PLAY then it means it'll be donatable game, and all donatable games are for stupid ppl, who spending hundreds and thousands $ to upgrade their character to become more poferfull. It's disbalance. In such games, that's for sure, that player, who spending more money, will be more powerfull then player, who spent nothing. Subcription payment is not disbalance. It's payment for BALANCED game. Donatable currency is DISBALANCE.
Eve online is on the way to become ****ty mmo game.
P.S. CCP ignored community vote about donatable currency (http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395464&page=1)
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
they would of course add stuff to buy that gives you advantages if they would go ftp.
If they do that 90% of their players will quit. It makes no sense from business perspective. There are games that can work with some pay2win items but eve is not one of them.
Of course I'm not saying they won't do it. But they'd have to be pretty suicidal.
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Eclorc
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 17/06/2011 08:05:35
I think CCP is testing the waters to see just how many people will spend real money for bling.
Hopefully it takes off, and CCP find many things to give people to spend their bling funds on - things like new paint jobs for their existing ships (which is what CCP was trying to do in a slightly braindead fashion with the Ishukone Watch Scorpion), clothing for our virtual barbie dolls, that kind of thing.
Once DUST 514 rolls around, I'd also like to see schematics for planetary combat "stuff" in the store (sold for Aurum) alongside the same thing in LP stores (sold for ISK & LP). Hopefully CCP realises that to get more players involved in the EVE economy, there needs to be more diversity of industry.
I can see that one of the reasons for trying to introduce MTs is to make more money. I don't mind helping them make more money, especially when I get to do so by spending someone else's money (i.e: Buy PLEX with ISK, convert to Aurum, buy items, sell for ISK, buy PLEX, etc).
On the other hand, I reckon it would be really nice if players could sell manufactured items through the EVE Ingame Store for Aurum. Thus one part of the transaction is to buy schematics for Aurum, we go and manufacture the item, then list that item on the store for Aurum, then the dust bunnies can buy the tank we've just manufactured as a completed microtransaction.
The way MT stores work in other games is that you could be sitting in town, you open the MT account page with the ingame browser, buy some Turbine Points with dollars, then use those Turbine Points to buy, say, a buff to XP gain for an hour. That buff is applied immediately - there's basically "instant gratification".
To satisfy this market in EVE, there needs to be a supply of actual items for dust bunnies to buy. We don't want CCP manufacturing items out of thin air, so there needs to be a way for the dust bunny to say, "Hey, I need a tank, stat!" and a capsuleer can then say, "Oh hai! I have tank 4 u - 48 Aurum", dust bunny pays, capsuleer can drop tank on top of dust bunny, "hope u enjoy are prompt and direkt delivary!"
But the key is keeping with the theme of EVE which is player driven economy, and materiel logistics matter.
I like your thinking on this Mara, but I think it's vergeing on the deluded given the recent mindset appearing recently from the men in suits tbh.
The idea of industry in eve producing the tanks for Dust would work very well, and would make some sense of the tie-ins between the games that would really be in harmony with the marketing spiel we've been fed so far. I'd love to see that happen, and thus regain some faith in the "one world sandbox" direction of Eve, it would invogorate much of the Eve playerbase enthusiasm for Dust too.
BUT
I'd be prepared to bet a thousand million in-game ISKs to you right now, that the items in Dust will be spawned out of thin air in the cash shop for Dust's Aurum-equivalent and that no link to the Eve player-run manufacturing economy will exist (or even will be announced as coming soonÖ) to provide those items to the Dust players. We have already seen a fumbled attempt at acceptance testing in Eve itself of the Ishukone Scorpion, which clearly demonstrated the core design was simply to spawn the items in exchange for Aurum: extra coding was to come later to cater for Eve-specific item-exchange or payment methods.
Depressingly, I'm reasonably certain that nobody around here would have enough confidence - due to current trends - to take that bet.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:00:00 -
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Well they could always use aurum as an intermediary tax for buying equipment from eve industrialist. That would benefit both CCP and the players. But I agree it's unlikely.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 17/06/2011 08:05:35
I think CCP is testing the waters to see just how many people will spend real money for bling.
Hopefully it takes off, and CCP find many things to give people to spend their bling funds on - things like new paint jobs for their existing ships (which is what CCP was trying to do in a slightly braindead fashion with the Ishukone Watch Scorpion), clothing for our virtual barbie dolls, that kind of thing.
They are going to make Twilight Online with their funds. Pre MT funds already got the vampire queens a graphics engine and a character creator.
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Sarton Wells
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:09:00 -
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Funny thing the human psyche. I know you're trolling and I still find it annoying when I read a comparison between world of darkness and twilight.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:38:00 -
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The whole Aurum thing makes it looks like bean-counters and not game designers are now running CCP.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Morgan Polaris
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The whole Aurum thing makes it looks like bean-counters and not game designers are now running ÇÇP.
Fixed.
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Amber Accelerando
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:43:00 -
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I think you are confusing plex = no money to CCP.
You pay your month with Plex, CCP still gets it's $15. Every Plex in the game was paid for, in full + transaction fees.
nobody gets EvE for free, it's $15 per/month for everybody.
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Boobytrapper
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Posted - 2011.06.17 09:48:00 -
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I thought we all were capitalists these days and communism was done in for good.
Why arent we all cheering the investors on? 
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