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Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.18 05:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu Originally by: Lady Spank snip I don't see a single scrap of this :excellence: they promised us. Then do us all a favor and quit. Do you handle your kids the same way? The OP has valid points, if you can't argue against them with proper counters you might abstain from posting as the above will only flag you for bad trolling (and bad parenting). Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.18 05:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu Originally by: Lady Spank snip I don't see a single scrap of this :excellence: they promised us. Then do us all a favor and quit. Do you handle your kids the same way? The OP has valid points, if you can't argue against them with proper counters you might abstain from posting as the above will only flag you for bad trolling (and bad parenting). BUTTHUERT ALERT. hi-5 Tres o/\o ~~~
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.06.18 05:11:00 - [33] Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.18 05:25:00 - [34] lol- not even 100th finished, I mean c'mon CCP, one c** Minmatar (at least they picked the best race!)room & you're gonna force us to use it? - Take note, players say they don't think removing the hangar function as an option altogether is a good idea! - Please CCP, for the love of EvE, if i dock to change ships or recharge shields & cap or repair, can't i just have the OLD** hangar view & functionality as an option? Please? Prwetty Prwetty Pwease? - I mean this new direction is supposed to be about immersion & ease of use isn't it? did I miss a devblog stating what players would like no longer matters? .
San Severina Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.06.18 05:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 18/06/2011 03:06:12 Originally by: Taedrin Originally by: Ein Phantom Originally by: Taedrin I'm wrong sigh let me explain myself. If I recall correctly, the dev who said that, was talking about the APOCRYPHA expansion - one of the expansions that players have loved by far. HOWEVER, the code for said expansion was a terrible mess - being one of the most costly in terms of developer time to clean up. Thus the "polished quality" which the developer is talking about is coding standards - not gameplay mechanics. snap To help you to remember correctly, here is a link for you: http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2010/CSM_CCP_Meetings_23-25_06_2010.pdf 14:30-15:30 CCP: Commitment to Excellence, page 5, quote of the relevant passage: Quote: .. Discussion then focused on an apparent drive by CCP to add new features instead of improving existing ones. CCP stated that once Incarna and Planetary Interaction/Dust 514 are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features. It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features. This led to a discussion on the balance of customer acquisition through new features versus customer retention through quality and polish. The CSM also stressed the importance of goodwill and overall player satisfaction, which is very hard to measure in statistics until players decide to quit. The CSM is concerned that players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved. .. From the perspective of the CSM this is about polish of features, read: fully implemented and sound working instead of more features not sound working. On the matter of 'expectation management': Doesn't this involve some sort of COMMUNICATION between CCP and it's customers about WHAT IS TO HAPPEN AND WHY IT'S HAPPENING? Can you see this for the simmering CQ rage? There are valid questions and concerns from customers here.. for weeks now all over the forums. Several Devs have seen them. But can you make out ANY expectation managment whatsoever? Anything besides the blog about the hardware issues and the temporary fix, that is disabling the CQ altogether? Nothing about: our expectations in regards to the other 3 racial CQs our expectations in regards to the usability of the CQ vs the old hangar view our expectations in regards to immersion and lore edit: Managing expectations doesn't work by ignoring them.. or to put it more neutral: causing the appearance your customers concerns and expectations are being ignored. So stating "Did read your topic, won't comment <because of xyz>"() would even work. ) <because of xyz> is optional naturally Thank you Tres, you are becoming a favorite quotable source of truth for me
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.18 05:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Kestrix Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I don't pay to play a polished finished product, I pay to play Eve Your not paying enough, buy Aurum. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can buy plex with ISK and then convirt to Aurum? So where exactly am I paying more ú to play eve? The point is that someone paid more real life money to get that PLEX and eventual Aurum in the game. No Aurum enters the game without someone paying real life money.
Manipulator General o.0	Posted - 2011.06.18 06:07:00 - [37] Why? Surely a bunch of broken, incomplete, and untested things are better than 1 thing that actually works. Quantity > quality. The end.
Kestrix	Posted - 2011.06.18 06:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Nullity Originally by: Kestrix Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I don't pay to play a polished finished product, I pay to play Eve Your not paying enough, buy Aurum. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can buy plex with ISK and then convirt to Aurum? So where exactly am I paying more ú to play eve? The point is that someone paid more real life money to get that PLEX and eventual Aurum in the game. No Aurum enters the game without someone paying real life money. But people have been buying plex to sell for isk for ages, what diffrence dose it make if CCP want to give us one extra option to do something with it?
Manda Rin Minmatar Sexy Thoughts	Posted - 2011.06.18 07:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Kestrix Originally by: Nullity Correct me if I'm wrong but I can buy plex with ISK and then convirt to Aurum? So where exactly am I paying more ú to play eve? The point is that someone paid more real life money to get that PLEX and eventual Aurum in the game. No Aurum enters the game without someone paying real life money. But people have been buying plex to sell for isk for ages, what diffrence dose it make if CCP want to give us one extra option to do something with it? Nothing else in the game FORCES RMT to take place in order to be bought.
Cosmoes Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.18 07:03:00 - [40] Originally by: Lady Spank "The data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features." For once, I would like to see CCP actually deliver some polished quality rather than (lol not even) half finished expansions. Your playing the wrong game. Hell your playing games for the wrong company all together. EVE sucks in terms of quality, well refined content. Hell it's the worst game I have ever played in terms of this and this will never change. In fact I predict it getting much worse in the years to come, kind of obvious when you look at how they run their company and make their game. ------------------- piccy
Sakura Ren Fenikkusu	Posted - 2011.06.18 07:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Kestrix ...But people have been buying plex to sell for isk for ages, what diffrence dose it make if CCP want to give us one extra option to do something with it? Well, the problem is supply & demand. Right now PLEXs are sitting around 380-400mil and are only used for Game Time. If you start adding more uses for PLEX, the demand for PLEX will go up, and so will the ISK cost for the PLEX. Now a few things will happen: 1) People who buy PLEX with ISK for Game Time, will have to do more work just to play the game. 2) Real Money Traders, will get more ISK for their Cash or they will raise the cash price for ISK, which either way will increase Real Money Trading. 3) Those who buy AURUM items for ISK, will more than likely be paying more for the item that it would cost them to just buy a PLEX with ISK. 4) No Matter What: CCP's bottom line goes way up, encouraging them to find more ways to charge the playerbase.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.06.18 07:08:00 - [42] I hope suicide ganking in high sec stops people from wanting to buy the stupid things altogether. ~~~
Kestrix	Posted - 2011.06.18 08:16:00 - [43] Do you remember eve voice when it was first released? CCP wanted you to pay for it, and yet now it's free. CCP want you to pay for Aurum with plex but if this pushes the price of plex up too high that people stop buying it with isk and don't want to buy it with ú/$ then people won't be investing in Aurum and just like with eve voice CCP will be forced to re-evaulate thier product. IMO they should leave plex as it is now... ether use it to extend your game time or sell it for isk and just do a straight conversion of isk for Aurum.

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