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Ko Shimin
Minmatar Romanian Space Explorer ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint . Again I'm very sorry to every one that watched that match, especially sorry to kil2 and the commentators and to eve tv, I really hope this doesn't effect them negatively, but I'm sure it will due to our mess up. Please forgive me
IT WILL affect them negatively.. Corruption, metagaming and favoritism within eve is out of hand and is what made me stop watching tournaments, come to fanfests etc.. I am sure there are others that feel like me.. Such a pity.. Rigged matches instead of true bloody deathmatches that would have kept the crowd entertained..
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Xikorita
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:28:00 -
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I don't see any problem at all with the finals. Outbreak clearly won and then gave up the match. I am truly enjoining the tears.
You guys did perfectly to get there, including the metagame and hiding on a WH. The though of scanning them down and putting the freighters in only to be able to test proves that you were simply better than the opposition.
To everyone that is butthurt by this, I remember about stephen king writing an actual ending to dark tower and explaining to people that the journey is what truly matters and not the ending.
CONGRATULATIONS and I look forward the next at =]
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navalny
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Leeloo Malaquin Edited by: Leeloo Malaquin on 19/06/2011 22:23:10 DS vs Outbreak was the real final of this tournament
Will u give second prize in isks/bpc to DS ? and we want rematch!
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Redblade
Reikoku Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Redblade on 19/06/2011 22:31:03 I'm sure the people losing out on there shot at a free high-end graphics card feel that this apology is enough of a compensation ... or not.
As I said in other threads, what was done was a disservice to CCP and the Tourney both, why should people watch next year ? , why would anyone bet on this ?, why would sponsors donate free stuff to be raffled ?
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Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
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Well played, you worked hard got to the final via solid playing and excellent metagaming, while I really wish you had both pulled out some comedy final matchup, you have done nothing wrong, and there is no need for forgiveness
Once again, well played!
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Zinta Winter
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: navalny
Originally by: Leeloo Malaquin Edited by: Leeloo Malaquin on 19/06/2011 22:23:10 DS vs Outbreak was the real final of this tournament
Will u give second prize in isks/bpc to DS ? and we want rematch!
They still lost
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Dracoliche
Damage Unlimited Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
[67]
Grief.
If the last match was destined to be a joke, I think it could have been done better. Like throw the fight by self destructing to a team of shuttles. Win.
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Dalen Skyard
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:30:00 -
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Here's my take on it.
As a new player, watching this tournament got me really excited to keep playing EVE. Hearing all of the different tactics, the spying, the wormhole use was very very cool.
Then the quarters and semis came around. Some really close matches, lots of cool stuff happening.
Then nothing. One ship calmly taking down people who might as well have been afk. It was boring and made me regret ignoring chores and spending that last hour and a half waiting for the finals.
If CCP's going to go the extra mile and have a nice set, broadcast in HD, have good commentary and tons of extra content, then steps need to be taken to treat it as a tournament, not every day life in EVE. The last thing you want players to feel is blase or annoyed. It was like watching the Harlem Globetrotters without Sweet Georgia Blues, dribble tricks or confetti. Just one team rolling over people does not make for good television.
To be fair, you guys didn't do anything wrong by the rules. But CCP needs to think long and hard about allowing it again. An event, any event, needs to cap with a big final. This was just boring.
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SilKKZ the3rd
Caldari Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Redblade I'm sure the people losing out on there shot at a free high-end graphics card feel that this apology is enough of a compensation ... or not.
As I said in other threads, what was done was a disservice to both CCP and the Tourney both, why should people watch next year ? , why would anyone bet on this ?, why would sponsors donate free stuff to be raffled ?
Exactly, they didnt think of the wider picture!
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Azurialli
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint Please forgive me
You have both (Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded) shown to be highly competent in combat. So getting to the finals was nicely done. Just give most of the awards to Outbreak and most Eve players will have no problem.
However it is almost certain now that all the other alliances will now create shadow alliances, this will lead to bad fake fights (good ones are possible) and that will severely hurt the Tournament. Lets hope for the best.
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Edenmain
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Epic fail.
Ohh and thanks for making a mockery of the competitons to win graphics cards etc. I estimated Outbreak to win and they clearly did. So not only did you make a bad show if the final, but also of the sponsors and the side comps on the go at the time. So bravo to you. Do I accept the appology no I dont.
No they didn't, we knew what they were going to fly and could have countered it easily. Hydra were always going to win no matter what. Would you be happy if we had done that and just steam rollered them in the final and then you would have felt the same when it all came out in the wash at the end anyway.
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Valzin
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
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you guys shouldnt have planned **** together to put on some bs show for a final match. Congrats on getting there but shame on all of you for this. I lost alot of isk and im sure alot of other players to.
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Pyrosoft
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:32:00 -
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For everyone thatĘs unhappy about this, you have to understand that EVERYONE involved from HYDRA and Outbreak is just as (if not more) disappointed as folks here that it went down quite like this. There was a plan, and the plan was to have an epic battle at the end with the teams who worked together to get there. Miscommunication caused it to fail slightly.
The top 2 places were decided legitimately, both sides fought their selves to victory against some undeniably great opponents (looking at you DarksideąPL, not so much).
Anyhow, 1 team won, and that team won first and second.
See all yĘall next year.
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Tolund
Caldari Freibeuter.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Rgarcia I think the only thing is you have effected the next tourney. I doubt many will be entering or watching it.
Most matches were indeed entertaining, people will forget the sucking part until next year... I`m sure.
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Gabriel Tenlegall
Gallente Bi'Atch Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:33:00 -
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:33:00 -
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If you'd really cared about having a good fight you'd have had... a good fight, no matter how it turned out. I'd rather see a quick cakewalk than a long drawn out sham any day.
I could have remembered this final as being a total arse-kicking win. Instead I''ll be remembering it as a dull frustrating end to a night up that I don't wish to repeat. -- Frog blast the vent core! |
Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd
Originally by: Redblade I'm sure the people losing out on there shot at a free high-end graphics card feel that this apology is enough of a compensation ... or not.
As I said in other threads, what was done was a disservice to both CCP and the Tourney both, why should people watch next year ? , why would anyone bet on this ?, why would sponsors donate free stuff to be raffled ?
Exactly, they didnt think of the wider picture!
I can speak for myself and myself only, hydra won and i for one wont see the next tournment , why?Because i don¦t give a sh** anymore.Why should the players see some rigged matches?
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Rastino
Minmatar Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
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Never apologise for something like this. You just made the best troll so far this yearą I love you for it.
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Yeo San
Neoanarchistic Society
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Edenmain
Garmon put so much into this tourney and pretty much dedicated his life to it for about 3 months. We were pretty confident of beating anything and knew what most people would be fielding due to spying and other tactics within the game rules.
Would you want some shoddy teams making it to the final who just randomly botch some crap together the night before? No and they wont get there either. Every single thing was perfectly executed due to the preperation.
If you are that upset about this then you should maybe log off and take a break for a bit its only pixels right?
I respect the efford you/Garmon and all involved put in and there have been some really skilled fights that you have deserved winnig the tournament for. but not with that final.
you fooled the eve-community and are applauded by those who disrespect the community as well. there is, of course, no obligation to e-honour, because there is none.
But is buying win really the win you wanted? This is the question that Garmon and you have to ask yourselves aside of the pixels - even if it is for his mom ...
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Mr Spice
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Azurialli
Originally by: Amber Saint Please forgive me
You have both (Outbreak and Hydra Reloaded) shown to be highly competent in combat. So getting to the finals was nicely done. Just give most of the awards to Outbreak and most Eve players will have no problem.
However it is almost certain now that all the other alliances will now create shadow alliances, this will lead to bad fake fights (good ones are possible) and that will severely hurt the Tournament. Lets hope for the best.
Why when Garmon oversaw their fittings and tactics? People don't realise they aren't just friends they practiced together everyday.
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Cham Palaung
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amber Saint After Hydra started taking heavy losses outbreak team decided to give us the win because they thought I deserved it
Then you should have self-destruct. And wait... you really have written "because they thought I deserved it" !? what is this comedy of final to satisfy the ego of one person !? You should really have self-destruct...
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thoth rothschild
Method of Destruction Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: thoth rothschild on 19/06/2011 22:36:13
Originally by: Edenmain
Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Epic fail.
Ohh and thanks for making a mockery of the competitons to win graphics cards etc. I estimated Outbreak to win and they clearly did. So not only did you make a bad show if the final, but also of the sponsors and the side comps on the go at the time. So bravo to you. Do I accept the appology no I dont.
No they didn't, we knew what they were going to fly and could have countered it easily. Hydra were always going to win no matter what. Would you be happy if we had done that and just steam rollered them in the final and then you would have felt the same when it all came out in the wash at the end anyway.
that is what i would have accepted as a match. i also would have accepted a makeup not visible for the eve-tv viewers but as it was seen was not worth staying up 1 more hour. it's like an arena. the crowd wants to be entertaint. no entertainment no applause.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
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Well done for getting 2 teams to the final, impressed by the metagaming that was done.
This makes eve what it is
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Nix Gravity
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Edenmain We were pretty confident of beating anything and knew what most people would be fielding due to spying and other tactics within the game rules.
See the part I am struggling to understand is everyone going on about how great and representative of the amazing Eve sandbox this victory of the spies is, and I am, in general, a big fan of such antics and have read plenty about the GHSC with smitten-groupie levels of admiration.
But when most of the training and spying takes place on SiSi, in a whole other universe from the Eve sandbox, it raises some questions about how much of anything at all it has to do with Eve.
I think teams should apply and register their participating pilots 3 months in advance, and for those 3 months the signed up pilots should be banned from SiSi: bring the secret practice bouts and the shadow games of the underworld back to New Eden, and many more people would get behind the idea.
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Velora Nyleve
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
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I am so very mad you didn't have Laedy brawl them down with an Utu.
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Fuamnach
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
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You collectively deserve the same forgiveness given the 8 members of the Chicago White Sox who threw the 1919 World Series. They were banned for life, shamed all the days of their lives.
It's not a personal matter, not a matter of good or bad intentions, or how we might come to understand your motivations.
Your two teams have degraded for ALL, the only "Sport" EVE has. You deserve nothing but shame the rest of your time in EVE.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Edenmain
Garmon put so much into this tourney and pretty much dedicated his life to it for about 3 months. We were pretty confident of beating anything and knew what most people would be fielding due to spying and other tactics within the game rules.
Would you want some shoddy teams making it to the final who just randomly botch some crap together the night before? No and they wont get there either. Every single thing was perfectly executed due to the preperation.
If you are that upset about this then you should maybe log off and take a break for a bit its only pixels right?
This. Garmon really devoted enormous amounts of time and effort to this proving that he is *the* best EVE player. OFC we had many great officers in both Hydra and Outbreak as well and (just) enough of us grunts to come to practices and matches to try and not **** up (which we didn't, until the final...)
IMHO, everyone complaining should also realize the fact that both the AT core of Hydra (mainly Genos) and Outbreak are just 30-40 people all together compared to the hundreds and even thousands of people in the alliances we beat (including PL) ----------
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Juziri
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Edenmain No they didn't, we knew what they were going to fly and could have countered it easily. Hydra were always going to win no matter what. Would you be happy if we had done that and just steam rollered them in the final and then you would have felt the same when it all came out in the wash at the end anyway.
That's why the apology is a joke and I won't accept it. Nice work killing the tournament by setting up the winner in front and totally ****ing up the show-fight.
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Nika Dekaia
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Edenmain Would you want some shoddy teams making it to the final who just randomly botch some crap together the night before? No and they wont get there either. Every single thing was perfectly executed due to the preperation.
People don't care that much which teams compete. They want good fights. And if the can't have good fights, they want to feel like the just saw a good fight - no matter if it was rigged.
Originally by: Edenmain If you are that upset about this then you should maybe log off and take a break for a bit its only pixels right?
It was too obviously rigged, that's what the problem is. For all I care just do some super secret rigging stuff for some 20bil in the back room. I don't care. Just give me something that at least looks like some legit fight. For I will never be able to know if it was rigged or not. Just make it seem so and I'm happy.
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Valuial
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:39:00 -
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You just ruined the last important ccp event, congratz guys that was very funny to see them avoiding the subject, the only thing that could have been worst is an attack from lulzsec , but no need, you did the job, bomb that will blow next year.
Tango down
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