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Usharin Silverberg
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Posted - 2005.02.18 12:13:00 -
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I replied to another post with the below, and it got me thinking - I'm interested to see what PvP means to you, and if anyone can think of PvP methods other than I have offered...
 Originally by: Usharin Silverberg
I don't know why I'm going to even bother with this, but here goes...
PvP does NOT just involve shooting each other, as so many people seem to think (although this is fastest fix). PvP takes many forms, some of the most satisfying not involving shooting ANYTHING!
Take for instance the corp. thief - a low profession, much reviled, but one of the most cunning and probably one of the most satisfying PvP professions (caveat û IÆm not a corp. thief and never have been). Think about it û you are pitting yourself against an entire corp., that if you play your cards right you can almost destroy it single handed û now, what kind of a rush is that going to give? What kind of a sense of achievement?
The builder/trader can be a PvPÆr as well û the market trader can be every bit as ruthless as a 0.0 Gank squad. Under cutting, buying up all available supplies (this is very difficult/if not impossible now with constant seeding). To see a very effective bit of market PvP look at Cap Charger IIÆsà
Believe it or not, miners can PvP û its called logistical warfare û no minerals, no production, not ships/ammo/modules û enemy corp. will have to move to another area (you may laugh at this but just think about it for a second û some of the larger corps can muster dozens of large barges and haulers at once û with adequate defences, how long will it take a fleet like that to strip a system bare, hmmm?)
Sorry if I seem to have hijacked your thread Sara, but I just get irritated by the ôPvP = shoot stuffö mentality û the game is so much more than that.
PvP means PLAYER vs. PLAYER, not ôI shoot stuff so IÆm the only PvPÆr class in the gameö
As a side note I'm a PvE/PvP'r myself - can't stand mining and frankly I find the market boring but thats how I want to play the game...
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.02.18 12:19:00 -
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Everything.
PvP is pitting player versus player.
that's also posting on the organisations forums for example: pvp.
Disinformation: pvp
There's so much more then F1-F8-ing someone. But of coursein the end the actualy fighting is still one of my main reasons of play (altho the will is dwindling again).
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Nemiona
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Posted - 2005.02.18 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nemiona on 18/02/2005 12:30:23
means that I probably will get an heart attack alot sooner than I should.. cant think of anything that makes the heart beat go from 60-70 to 200 in a second and hands shaking so much you cant hit any icons on the screen..
I dont seek battle though, but if someone attacks, I fight back.. -if Im not getting ganked by 3-4 people
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.02.18 12:32:00 -
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To me, it is about control.
I was a PK, a 'notoPK', a Thief and a PK/Thief in UO for instance - but I also took part in guild wars and faction wars, in UO and many other games.
We controlled towns in faction wars and thereby controlled markets and resources. It's just a case of looking at the big picture for me... 
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Kardose Plathian
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Posted - 2005.02.18 12:33:00 -
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I'm put off by PvP due to lag so don't see it as a viable or rewarding play style.
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Jy Lanhall
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Posted - 2005.02.18 12:54:00 -
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Yeah, I'll agree to that one. The minute there's much activity beyond a few NPC's my lag/FPS goes sky high, and I can't do jack in the scenario, so have to warp out using the shortcut keys - and then a about five mins later my screen unfreezes, and I ping into a screen showing my ship approaching a jump gate, and if I'm lucky I won't have lost too much hull. But I can't lock anything, no controls on the UI will work. Really makes me hate PVP ... (in combat PVP that is).
Having said that EVE I don't think is purely a PVP game as some people seem to think. PVP is just an integral part of it; just as much as trading, manufacturing, mining are etc. PVP should be a threat you should have to deal with what ever role you take on in eve ... but what I'm agaimst is greifing ... ie a group of people wanting to bash up a load of peacful people in empire space by declaring war on them for no reason other than they want target practice, or to grief someone. I think that's not the game's function. What are they accomplashing? PVP should be, IMHO, used for territory disputes/claims and retaliation (against a miriad of reasons) - not because you're bored and wanna annoy some peaceful peep's for the hell of it. And as such people who want to stay out of PVP should have no reason to be afraid in empire space from the threat of random war declarations. However, suicide squads, and pirates are part of society, and as such should be part of a game that echoes real life.
But who am I to say these things.
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chillz
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Posted - 2005.02.18 14:24:00 -
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It means the nasty men have declared war again.
They should have picked on someone else.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.02.18 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: chillz
It means the nasty men have declared war again.
They should have picked on someone else.
That indeed could be us .
Eve, it kinda evolves for the average player.
Player v's player is everything about this game.
Comes in many forms that, along the scale there's something for everybody.
Me now, it's all about the F1-8.
Then again, there are people that just like being here that want no part of intraction with other players beyond the chat channel. I know quite a few of those too
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Ray Laria
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Posted - 2005.02.20 08:03:00 -
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PvP is where advanced players can find a challange in the game
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.02.20 08:08:00 -
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PvP = Griefing
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Spy4Hire
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Posted - 2005.02.20 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Viceroy
PvP = Griefing
Usually, aye, that is quite true. A bunch if nitwits sitting on the 0.0 side of a chokepoint gate and just blasting anything that happens through.
That's idiocy and the height of useless ****erness, IMO.
Now, PvP can be true combat... Group A slapping together a fleet of frigs/cruisers/whatever and going out, either with a target destination or just to hunt, looking for (and with luck finding) a KOS or war target(s).
That's PvP, going out and hunting for it. Yes, those hunters will sit a gate for a while, as those are focus points - lions at a watering hole. But the hunters don't sit there long unless there's a target in the area. That is PvP, to me.
Nothing annoys me more than peeps sitting on a gate for hours just to gank a few haulers/miners/frigs with smartbombs or snipers.
m0o against Xetic... don't know what to think about that. m0o are old school, very many of them are highly experienced pilots... against thousands of mid to low level peeps, haulers & miners & builders & the like in Empire.
That could easily and quickly become naught but griefing, IMO. But then, if played well, it could be a rocking hel of a war. I really doubt that'll happen... it's going to be a: Camp and blast anything that moves sorta war, I expect. With the primary goal being to ruin a lot of people's days.
'Cause for the griefers it's rockin' good fun. Targets gallore in an Empire war.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.02.20 11:46:00 -
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Alicomb
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Posted - 2005.02.20 14:41:00 -
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Don't do it as I don't have the skills yet to put up a fair fight, and most people who will attack you are those sitting behind a battleship so its hardly equall when you are in a frigate or destroyer.
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Question2
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Posted - 2005.02.20 15:06:00 -
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PVP to me is simple.
Player vs player combat.
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Rak'Kabal Kain
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Posted - 2005.02.20 15:07:00 -
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PvP = Player vs Player combat in which you can die _NOT_ Player vs Player marketing wars.
First trader to say they partakes in market PvP is going 2 get a open hand pimp slap, but when one gets shot by a pirate that another matter.
Also, anyone who looks for a fair fight is a noob. 
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Horatio Leighton
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Posted - 2005.02.20 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rak'Kabal Kain
PvP = Player vs Player combat in which you can die _NOT_ Player vs Player marketing wars.
First trader to say they partakes in market PvP is going 2 get a open hand pimp slap, but when one gets shot by a pirate that another matter.
Also, anyone who looks for a fair fight is a noob.
Yay for maturity and intelligence 
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Rak'Kabal Kain
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Posted - 2005.02.20 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rak'Kabal Kain on 21/02/2005 12:16:34
yes i play eve and post here to show my maturity and intelligence
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Dice Morgan
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Posted - 2005.02.20 18:01:00 -
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pvp =Technically, virtually everything. In practice and the common language of everyone except those determined to deny being griefers, it's outright ship-to-ship combat.
I'm still baffled by those who keep insisting that the entire game is pvp. Yes, it's technically accurate but everyone understands pvp to mean combat so why bother with the semantics?
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