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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
If i fly in a small gang I either have 2 invulns and a LSE instead of the tracking link, or I go active tank with four large transfers.
Then the Basilisk is far, far superior for the purpose you're cramming the Scimitar into. Check it out yourself and see. :)
I have and still don't agree 
Regardless, neither the scimitar or basilisk qualify as the best logistics ship, I still say it's the guardian for slot allocation, fitting room and resist profile.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
I fit my scimitars with MWD, four large transfers and a tracking link.
I lost you at 'tracking link'. That can only be a horrible fit.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
I have and still don't agree
Regardless, neither the scimitar or basilisk qualify as the best logistics ship, I still say it's the guardian for slot allocation, fitting room and resist profile.
The Guardian is sweet and sexy, I agree... but small gangs are almost entirely shield based. Thus, its not so great for small gangs.
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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.06.22 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
I fit my scimitars with MWD, four large transfers and a tracking link.
I lost you at 'tracking link'. That can only be a horrible fit.
I take it you've never bothered using a scripted faction tracking link on a mach, then. No worries.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 22/06/2011 03:53:11
Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 22/06/2011 03:49:33
Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
I take it you've never bothered using a scripted faction tracking link on a mach, then. No worries.
Tracking links on a falloff bonused ship need to be nerfed, holy ****ing 120km+ falloff.
jk, keep whorin' that ****
Also, you can train other races for small gangs, I'd never say that the Basi is slow (as fast as Cane) and can keep up with most shield **** except straight up Vaga/Cyna gangs.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
I take it you've never bothered using a scripted faction tracking link on a mach, then. No worries.
Its probably just me preferring to actually have cap for my shield transfers I guess.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 22/06/2011 04:31:08
Originally by: Omara Otawan
Its probably just me preferring to actually have cap for my shield transfers I guess.
off the top of my head you can fit a tracking link and still have cap stable 4 lst scimi, can't remember exact fit, but it is basically cap stable (over ten minutes) with just a KXA1000 implant
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 22/06/2011 04:39:20
Originally by: Mfume Apocal
off the top of my head you can fit a tracking link and still have cap stable 3 lst, 1 mst scimi, can't remember exact fit, will eft in a sec
Yes, you can. Not like this however:
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I fit my scimitars with MWD, four large transfers and a tracking link. It has an okay tank (LSE+invuln), eccm
Not only that it is a ***** to even fit that 4th large transfer, without running your prop mod you are barely able to run 3 transfers stable.
Now assume you need to warp to the battlefield and start at less than full cap, and god forbid you actually have to use that MWD. Not to mention some jackass in his frigate putting a small neut on you
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 22/06/2011 04:41:46
you can, but it's really wonky and requires max skilles + expensive as **** mindfloods. ofc, he never said it was cap stable, so maybe he just pulses 4th lst
and yeah, he ****ed if neuted (which is part of reason why basi is better or at least more forgiving)
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:46:00 -
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Well, you do get the transfers stable with just standard mindflood which isnt that outrageously expensive, still without propulsion.
That said, in this particular case (with the tracking link) you are still better off with a triple LSE setup. For a quad LST setup with MWD you simply need a midslot for cap.
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:26:00 -
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There is a greater number of excellent ships in the Minmtar lineup than every other race combined.
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Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.22 06:51:00 -
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Heard alot of good things about the Arazu.
Have seen a small gang of 10 Oneiros's only make a big bad mess of some peoples days (the concept of an Oneiros only gang may sound funny but it is remarkably effective!)
Drake is good if you just wanna sit still, chuck out boring missiles and gradually wait for your target to die
Amarr + lasers = no cap (unless ur in a Zealot), Curses can be highly annoying to ur targets though.
Solo though, a Helios is awesome. 5 mids means options aplenty.
The ruppy is always good fun, and the Sleip can really fkn pwn ya hard.
I want to try out a RR tempest nano gang some day... i think that would be pretty fun to do.
To sup up OP, it depends on what you want to do. Support? DPS? Bait? Fly fast? Take lots of damage? Jam people? Snipe people?
Up to you.
if you train alot of your core skills up though, and spend some time training hybrids, missiles, and projectiles, then spend some time in spaceship command, you can fly any ship and find out for yourself what you like.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.22 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
There is a greater number of excellent ships in the Minmtar lineup than every other race combined.
 have you even read this thread? im a staight up minmatar pilot atm and love theyre ships but you are just Wrong!
As for the op, iv seen amazing things happen from nearlly all the hac's dont be disuaded from any of them... (cant say iv ever SEEN a Deimos or Cerberus tho  )
Also dont rule out the nano phoon/pest even if theyre not on your list 
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: ChromeStriker
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
There is a greater number of excellent ships in the Minmtar lineup than every other race combined.
have you even read this thread? im a staight up minmatar pilot atm and love theyre ships but you are just Wrong!
Only a little bit wrong
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.22 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: ChromeStriker on 22/06/2011 08:15:30
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Originally by: ChromeStriker
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
There is a greater number of excellent ships in the Minmtar lineup than every other race combined.
have you even read this thread? im a staight up minmatar pilot atm and love theyre ships but you are just Wrong!
Only a little bit wrong
Its ok if you had said it a month or 2 ago we'd all be sayin "well dur", thankfully we all slapped our selfs out of it
Edit: maybe not liang but then that ones always been a bit different 
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Nulla Curas |
Cat Shaver
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:15:00 -
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go gallente
You can't acquire actual skills playing ez mode - go the hardest road, then when you do crosstrain to minmatar you'd acquire the tools to go with the skills you already have
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Swynet
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Ming
The thing with Minmatar is that you'll want shield tanking, armor tanking, guns, missiles, drones, and solid navigation skills.
Basically, when you can fly Minmatar ships properly, all that is left is simply training the frig/cruiser skill for another race and the small or medium hybrid/energy turret skill.
This
Skill intensive but, soooo much fun
Forget paper thin brutixes you have to failfit shields and 200mm rails instead of blasters to do some decent dmg and have some engagement distance, Arby's are fine but cap sensible (hey I fly hurricanes with 2 med neuts /kkthxbye), the only decent bc's after cane is drake.
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Cuircuir Moustache
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 11:55:00 -
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The Matar ships are not any more "Skill intensive" than others if you plan to do only roamings or support.
In your typical roaming setup, which (matar) ship uses armor for tanking ?
If you don't want to use bombers, the missile skills does not need that much attention either.
That leaves gunnery, drones, navigation, ewar and engeneering.
As with any other races. Longstory short, you don't have to skill everything, you just have the option.
Aslo, today I learned that CALDARI are the best for PVP.
CALDARI. PVP. Stop laughing please.
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Jude Lloyd
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Posted - 2011.06.22 12:33:00 -
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Starting PVP with using T2 cruisers = Terrible ****ing idea. But if you do, come to Amamake.
But don't. Use T1 Frigs for a few months and die a few times. Once you start killing, move up to destroyers and maybe cruisers.
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Firh
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:26:00 -
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Caldari is the quickest route to PvPing comfortably in a BC/Cruiser sized ship or larger, with Amarr probably being close second.
There's less need for drone skills, navigation skills aren't <i>as</i> important for Caldari either since they deal the same damage at any range and are usually too slow anyway to dictate range even with maxed skills. Missiles are less skillpoint intensive (at least initially) than gunnery and the same goes for shields skills in comparison to armor.
ECM provides a lot of use to gang warfare too and the Basilisk is an excellent logistics.
Some say that Caldari don't have many good solo ships but that's no longer true, whilst they may lack the numerous options of Minmatar they still offer a pretty good selection of solo ships atm.
Only real downside is that Caldari don't mix well with armor gangs and if that's what you want I heavily recommend going Amarr instead (skip t2 drones initially and just use ecm-drones to save you from having to spend millions of SP on drone skills early on).
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
There is a greater number of excellent ships in the Minmtar lineup than every other race combined.
this , thats why matar needs a nerf
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Cuircuir Moustache
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.22 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
There is a greater number of excellent ships in the Minmtar lineup than every other race combined.
this , thats why matar needs a nerf
This.
And nerf Caldari, they pwn at ewar and PVE.
And nerf Amarr, they pwn at tanking and fleet warfare.
And leave Gallente as is.
Voila, game balanced.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
There is a greater number of excellent ships in the Minmtar lineup than every other race combined.
this , thats why matar needs a nerf
I see your troll and raise you a 'minmatar need a speed buff theyre not fast enough' 'titans should be able to hit frigates' and 'the amarr should get a nobel peace price for there work on slave conditions'...
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Nulla Curas |
VC General
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Posted - 2011.06.27 10:11:00 -
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IMO, go Caldari if you don't need the epeen of seeing yourself at #1 on the killmail. With a well fit Blackbird, or God forbid a Scorpion, you're going to **** off a lot of 10-20 man fleets. I still haven't decided if seeing someone with 1m sp in a ship that costs 5m jam a carrier is epic, or wrong as hell.
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