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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:20:00 -
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I have been noticing quite a bit of posting lately about new folks being griefed and such and as a former high sec griefer and can flipper I figured I would stop in and give you some tips on how to avoid losing your shiny ship to those awful meanies who are looking for kills in high sec.
First, lets talk about war decs. For many of you the war dec will be one of your earliest introductions to eve online pvp. Some friends of yours will invite you to join up and form a corporation or join the one they are in. Eve is a social game and folks eventually will want to join their friends and play the game together. It is inevitable.
And then, suddenly, some griefer corp decs you out of the blue. What now?
You have several choices. But basically you can fight or you can avoid. Thats what it all boils down to. Fighting is what the griefer really wants. He, and his corp, have scouted your corp and decided that they will wtf pown you if you try to fight back. That is why they chose you. Folks dont go out and war dec corps that they think they will lose to. Not griefer corps. They are all about kill mails and collecting them. They are not looking for loss mails.
So avoiding war is the better option for most new players. Avoiding can be accomplished in a couple of ways:
1. You can log out of eve and stay logged out all week.
2. You can pick up and move somewhere remote. This may or may not work. Any good griefer corp has access to locater agents and they can and will find you again unless you move to a wormhole or to 0.0 somewhere in space they dont want to risk visiting.
3. You can join an alliance. This may not help you. I used to love it when folks joined alliances after i war decked them. Then i got a bunch more free targets to shoot at for the price of a regular war dec.
4. You can disband your corp and form a new one. this is a tempory fix. Griefers will find you again soon enough.
Option one is best for most people. If you have an alt you can log him in and play. If you dont have one you should take this time to make one. If that is not viable then try option two but be careful. No where in high sec is truly safe while you are under a war dec. Use scouts and park them in systems near where you are mining or missioning and watch for red stars appearing in local. When they show up log out. It is not unusual for folks to use neutral alts to scout and probe war targets. Dont assume that because there are no red stars i local that you are not being hunteded. The reds might be next door and you should really know about it as early as possible so that you can log out and make them waste their time coming to your remote part of eve.
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:39:00 -
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Can flipping is a whole other subject. There are many ways to get aggression from stealing ore, mission loot, crap left in cans and other things in eve. I wrote an article about this once for my corpmates listing twenty different ways to pick up agro in high sec to allow them to shoot (and kill) some noob in high sec who was stupid enough to try to fight back. There are many more ways than that original twenty.
A few of the obvious ones:
1. Can flipping jet canned ore - one of my favorite tactics was to steal from a can and then leave the can under my own name with all the ore in it. I would even leave system and come back in like 5 mins and more often than not there would be a red flashing badger or a red flashing hulk sitting there all alone mining.
2. Flipping those little corporate recruiting advertisement cans people leave around eve.
3. Stealing crap from cans that are secured cans that people leave in systems that are 1.0 or .9 security systems. A lot of folks dont understand anchoring and security. If you are in a system that is higher than .8 you cannot anchor the can. If you cant anchor it then you also cannot set a pw that will stay on the can. It will let you set the pw but it will not stay. Anyone can continue stealing from that can. They will get an agro timer and that can result in a kill for that player. You can also steal the can itself if you want to but that does not cause an agro timer.
4. Remote repping a player who is in aggression or who has a current war dec against his corp.
5. Can bait. Leaving semi valuable junk around in various systems hoping people will take it and fly around with an agro timer.
6. Mission griefing. Scanning out a player mission and stealing loot or stealing the mission requirement loot so that the player cannot finish
The obvious way to avoid dying is to avoid shooting. Once you shoot you are vulnerable. The other player can return fire and what he is really trying to do is bait you into shooting so that he can kill you. The second point is to never take anything that does not belong to you. You would not believe how many people would believe me when i told them they were free to take what was in the can. And the, of course, i killed them anyway. I used to leave bookmarks in a can called wormhole location and you would be amazed at how many people would take the bookmark and then warp right to me only to lose their ship. Dont be dumb. Taking things and shooting when you dont have to are the number one ways people screw up and die in high sec. And it is totally avoidable.
Other things you can do:
1. Stop jet canning. Dont do it and you wont have to deal with it. If you have to do it then do it somewhere so remote that no one is going to bother going 25-30 jumps to nowhere looking for you to flip your can. If you are within 15 jumps of any starter system then you can probably expect a can flipper to be around sooner or later.
2. Run missions in the same system that all of the members of your corp run missions. This may not eliminate thiefs but it might cause them to think about how many of your corpies are in local who will also be able to shoot at him. Folks arent looking to take on a whole corp when they steal from missions. They are hoping to kill some expensive shiny battleship with faction mods all over it.
3. When they steal from your mission warp off and log out. Log in later and finish the mission. If they stole the specific thing that you need to finish then refuse the mission and take your standing hit and log another one. They wont keep stealing from you if they cant get you to shoot. They will move to another target that does.
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Disastro on 22/06/2011 03:48:45
Things that you do not want to do:
1. Shoot at anyone else in high sec. Griefers only grief targets that they know (or are pretty damn sure) that they are going to own. This does not mean that you are some kind of failure. It means that the griefer has been playing a while, has experience, has a lot more skill points than you do and probably has a bunch of remote repping neutrals nearby to keep him from dying even if you drop your whole corp on him. Never ever ever shoot at the remote reppers. This just adds to the number of people that you now have to fight.
2. Talk a bunch of smack about it. Do that and you will probably draw a war deck from them. Shoot back and you might also draw a war dec from them. Griefers select war targets based upon their perception of whether they will get a lot of kills or some valuable ones. Sometimes they are just happy enough for the tears. Most are just looking for a lot of targets to shoot at.
3. Hire mercs. This is virtually worthless. First, the griefer wants targets to shoot at and you are giving him targets to shoot at on your dime. Second I never met a merc in high sec that was ever worth a crap anyway. Dont waste your money.
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