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Darcy D'Spledide
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:18:00 -
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Just out of interest and because I know someone here will know -
What are your general rights as a consumer of software?
Specifically games, specifically EVE.
Who do you complain to if not the developer? There are many consumer rights organisations so I just don't know which actually work, or care.
Just to create some dialogue - for instance -
I heard the opinion that games should ship with all 'cheats' (or just, y'know, levels and weapons or whatever) accessible. Why? Because you just paid $60 for it and now you own that content. You own it in the same way you own the quick-save feature in Word.
Course this isn't the same with EVE, but do you think that buying the game should allow you more control over it than a consumer currently has? The majority of us don't want CC, we didn't even ask for it, but here it is anyway...
"It looks like you're writing a letter!"
You could at least shut the paperclip off and retain full functionality of Word.
CCP have taken a function we all liked, deleted it, replaced it with something worse and we have no choice in the matter.
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Zagam
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:22:00 -
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You have the right to play the game.... and the right to not pay for the game, and leave. There is no "arbitration" or legal recourse, and writing a letter is kinda pointless. The best way to show your displeasure is to leave.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:29:00 -
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Is the OP one of those 'fair play' chaps that thinks he is someone entitled to be more equal than others?
If a group of disheveled gypsies drove past your house once every day playing bongo drums on the back of a pick up truck would you write to your local political representative to complain?
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BR Link
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Vogue
If a group of disheveled gypsies drove past your house once every day playing bongo drums on the back of a pick up truck would you write to your local political representative to complain?
You may want to rethink that analogy. Depending on the time of day and the local community, this could be a valid complaint.
Example: A small suburban area composed of narrow streets, entirely occupied by the elderly, gypsies playing at 6am.
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Darcy D'Spledide
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Posted - 2011.06.22 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zagam
You have the right to play the game.... and the right to not pay for the game, and leave. There is no "arbitration" or legal recourse, and writing a letter is kinda pointless. The best way to show your displeasure is to leave.
I just did. This toons sub runs out tomorrow, happily enough.
Originally by: Vogue
Is the OP one of those 'fair play' chaps that thinks he is someone entitled to be more equal than others?
What does this even mean? You've totally misunderstood my post.
Yes, I've read 'Animal Farm' in school too and no, being able to quote it doesn't make me sound clever either.
Originally by: Vogue
If a group of disheveled gypsies drove past your house once every day playing bongo drums on the back of a pick up truck would you write to your local political representative to complain?
What is this I don't even.........? Are you seriously trying to draw an analogy between software-ownership and use rights and civic breaches of the peace? U crazy.
I just want to know how much an average EVE user can complain and to who, what your rights are, who stands up for them e.t.c.
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Hieronymus Alexandre
Fashionable Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:21:00 -
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The EULA. That thing everyone agrees to without reading because its however many dozen pages long; those are your rights. Beyond that it's buyer beware.
Seriously though, imagine the amount of bureaucratic interference and BS that would happen if there was some sort of national or international authority on software quality.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:27:00 -
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To the OP it was troll bait as I was puzzled as why no one up till now has accused me of posting flamboyant crap 
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Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.06.23 00:54:00 -
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EULA is a license agreement. If the EULA breaks civil law, or breaks criminal law, then part, or all the EULA is no longer enforceable. No EULA is above the law. 
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.06.23 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hieronymus Alexandre
The EULA. That thing everyone agrees to without reading because its however many dozen pages long; those are your rights. Beyond that it's buyer beware.
Seriously though, imagine the amount of bureaucratic interference and BS that would happen if there was some sort of national or international authority on software quality.
No EULA can make any company exempt from any national consumer protection agency, for an example if somebody took a complaint to the UK trading standards agency and they investigated it and found the company at fault the EULA would be as valuable as toilet paper.
Companies are immediately subject to any consumer laws the minute they trade in that country and no amount of legal fluff and bull**** can deflect those obligations.
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LLoyd Thomson
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Darcy D'Spledide
Just to create some dialogue - for instance -
I heard the opinion that games should ship with all 'cheats' (or just, y'know, levels and weapons or whatever) accessible. Why? Because you just paid $60 for it and now you own that content. You own it in the same way you own the quick-save feature in Word.
LOL Sorry, dude. But you own ****. When you buy software or pay a subscription fee you have the right to use it infinitely or until your subscription ends respectively.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.23 04:11:00 -
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Bottom line. As a consumer you vote with your wallet.
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope
Bottom line. As a consumer you vote with your wallet.
Yep...
I know it sounds like a cold troll to say GTFO, but really the only feedback that guarantees response is cancelled subscriptions and quiet forums.
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Ineka
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Posted - 2011.06.23 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: BR Link
Originally by: Vogue
If a group of disheveled gypsies drove past your house once every day playing bongo drums on the back of a pick up truck would you write to your local political representative to complain?
You may want to rethink that analogy. Depending on the time of day and the local community, this could be a valid complaint.
Example: A small suburban area composed of narrow streets, entirely occupied by the elderly, gypsies playing at 6am.
I'd get out with a pack of fresh beer join them and have fun, wtf?
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