Originally by: Zedrik Cayne

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Well...I've done it:

I've pulled the Trigger.

It has been a hell of a ride. Got less than sixty days left. If the boat doesn't turn around by then.

And before anyone asks before reading it all...No, you can't have my stuff.

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Originally by: Tachibana Kanade

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Its just sad.

SWG all over again.

Any other decent MMO's around?

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.

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Originally by: Miilla

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I actually have NOT logged in since this news broke, yesterday I was exploring CQ.

Since this news broke, havn't really been interested in logging on, still havn'.

I also have lost interested in developing tools / libraries / apps on top of the Eve API.

Screw it.

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Originally by: Jefferson H Clay

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A hypothesis and a question, for anyone left reading this thread.

Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?

Curious is all.

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Originally by: Lelob

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Originally by: Reed Tiburon

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HEY BLUE BARS:

Originally by: FunzzeR

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.

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Quoting Jade Constantine's best post ever...

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The more people that see this post, the better.

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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus

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That "Your characters will be stored safely" is bull****.

They have no policy on it apart from saying they may one day delete them.

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Originally by: Reed Tiburon

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Originally by: Digital Messiah

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This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it.

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No they don't.

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Originally by: Miilla

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Face it, we have all just been MonacledÖ by CCP.

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Originally by: Cyber Duck

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Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot

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Edited by: Tea Ester Elliot on 23/06/2011 17:59:37
The door, it has a purpose!

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well... the mods are watching... that link was an image two seconds ago

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Originally by: Ein Spiegel

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legal action may be underway.

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Originally by: Atreus Venom

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Any response from ccp yet and anybody have a list of CCP alts that they know for sure

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Originally by: leth ghost

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Originally by: Bloodpetal

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Originally by: Reed Tiburon

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The second best post (after Jade's).

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Failheap is offline?!

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i got it dl'd

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Originally by: MrSteack

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From Failheap pt1:


So I see you are now all also on the same page. Yes, I read the Fearless magazine some time ago, and you may have noticed I used it a couple of time for some price quotes and comparisons. Ofcourse, as this is FHC, you all called me nuts and bitter back then, but I certainly enjoyed hearing that those price quotes and comparisons caused a bit of a stir up there in Iceland. I thought that was pretty funny. My reaction, BTW, after sleeping on it for a night, was quite the same as a couple of people have posted in this thread: I cancelled my remaining account. I had that account for several years, and before the tripe in this magazine still had hopes that possibly, maybe, cooler, smarter heads at CCP would prevail over this madness. Hope that were obviously dashed then, as they are for some of you now. Likewise, I wasn't even angry about it then, just disappointed.

As for those who are clamouring for a response from CCP. Don't bother. Rumour has it that from high on up at CCP the word has come down not to respond but look at :metrics: first. Those :metrics: being: the amount of swag sold from the MT shop. Yes, that means that if you think your cancellation will amount to anything, then I suspect that it won't amount to a hill of beans. All those nicely worded cancellation letters you might have drafted will end up in the nice round archive, or more appropriately: /dev/null.

Eventually, obviously, CCP will, in some way, give a response, kind of in the form of a non-apology apology. You've seen them before, so you'll know what to expect. At any rate, CCP's response to threadnaughts should be well known by now: they circle the wagons. I.e., they let the customers (they still have) blow off steam for a couple of days, then throw in the locking and 'cleaning-up' of the threads, and the throw in the non-apology apology dev-blog and that will be it. CCP is basically done with listening to their customers by now, every sign points to that, and it is even more clear from a bit of distance (i.e., no longer being subbed).

But don't think CCP is an entity as a whole on this issue, or on many other issues in fact. From what I can gather, and as you know by now some people tell me things about stuff, CCP is basically split right down the middle from high to low on this MT issue. Well, perhaps less so from on high and more so from on low really. Dear John Turbefield may have been the 'also has something to say'-guy in the internal magazine, but he's one of many, obviously on the non-decision-making level who fundamentally disagree just as much as, well, most of you and I about this whole MT nonsense. But they not only don't have any decision making influence, they have no real influence at all.

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Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye

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Originally by: Tachibana Kanade

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Unsubbed.

I want to see other people do this.

-15$/month here.

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As a protest, it's not even worth unsubbing. You saw this part, I hope:

"As for those who are clamouring for a response from CCP. Don't bother. Rumour has it that from high on up at CCP the word has come down not to respond but look at :metrics: first. Those :metrics: being: the amount of swag sold from the MT shop."

As long as the zombies continue to buy monacles, CCP could care less how many people ragequit.

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Originally by: Duran Sarn

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Originally by: Miilla

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Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 19:11:24

Originally by: Tla Atij

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Originally by: Miilla

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We need a list of NEX customers to GANK GANK GANK, until their bank runs dry.

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What are you going to do? Steal their credit cards and empty them?

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Get a huge battle vs 1 (THEM) non stop until they run out of isk to replace ships Pitch tents at their stations.

If they are in your corp, GANK THEM concord free. NON STOP.

Keep ganking until they need to BUY PLEX to get more ISK to get new ships.

Eventually they will stop BUYING as the cost of THEIR eve rises , until it becomes, too expensive for them.

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Very bad idea, this would just shove even more money down CCP's throat and that's exactly what they want.

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Originally by: Red Maiden

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Originally by: Cyber Duck

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my eve... my beautiful, beautiful eve...

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...wherefore art thou?

CCP might have a good strategy here, as was pointed out earlier: let the players vent themselves out of gas on these forums, then swoop in and give a non-apology apology and move forward with their plan.

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Originally by: Tammarr

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Originally by: Scorpii Zenith

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Originally by: Masjheira

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What an idiot I was to actually think CCP was still concerned by the quality of their gaming experience... They care about money, nothing else.
Time for me to look for another game.

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You know it's not FREE to make MMORPG game and constantly upgrade it.

And if your business isn't making PROFIT, your doing it wrong.

****ing poor ass whining bitter vet losers

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Originally by: War Kitten

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Posting to confirm I am shocked.

I am shocked that CCP has a marketing/sales department and that they produce newsletters, and that their goal is to make money.

Shocked I tell you.

Anybody want one of our internal newsletters at work? We try to make money too.

This has to be stopped.

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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

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Originally by: Erichk Knaar

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Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot

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And yet so many mmo's of the past made money on just a sub fee. Others did the same thing with a free game charging for in-game items.

Explain again why CCP now needs both (not to mention the most expensive in-game garb in history)?

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Ignoring the lolprice for the monocle for second, care to name one sub-only supported game that's still running?

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pretty sure Darkfall Online is still sub-only (imo harsher pvp than EVE but also much smaller playerbase).

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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In short: Piece of **** nonsensical post.

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Originally by: BeanBagKing

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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc

This made my day :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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ROFL

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and ôgetö what makes Eve great û and thatÆs the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not ôget eveö does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters û itÆs not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible û if you have a bad graphic card itÆs a jerk fest û if you have a decent graphics card itÆs heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQÆs turned on û I can run it smoothly û but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQÆs on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a ôdisembark shipö option to the UI but ôoh noö to do that would have meant we werenÆt being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if weÆre to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter youÆll see reference to saved fitting slots û and I donÆt know about you Verone but in JF weÆve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the ôbiz-devsö talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such ôminor upgrades.ö?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldnÆt you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

HereÆs the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didnÆt want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I donÆt want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really donÆt have much of a clue in business.

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Originally by: Miilla

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Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 20:47:07

Originally by: Shandir

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Edited by: Shandir on 23/06/2011 20:44:52
I used to be able to have more than 50 ship fittings.
Why would I pay for it now?

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Because you can no longer have more than 50 ship fittings.

Duh.



POST... uhh Space 1999!!!!

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Originally by: Caladan Broood

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Um the Russians will sure love and support CCP. Their botting revenue will skyrocket selling and buying NEX items and currency. The Russians are never your friends.

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Originally by: Hra Neuvosto

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.

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Incarna didn't even have a trailer :(

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Originally by: Eladaris

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Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot

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Something makes me doubt the average Joe at CCP buys into this, much interaction as some have with the community. Hence the leak out of self-interest. I don't think they are oblivious to the fact this agenda essentially puts the gun in EVE's mouth and pulls the trigger.

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I think we've heard more than once or twice or twenty times that the rate of pay in Iceland... well... isn't all that grand. We've heard that if you aren't native, you aren't getting a great deal of fast promotions. If you've moved to that rock, your job options are probably pretty damn small. You likely NEED the game to succeed to be successful, but that's more a matter of profit margins and membership numbers, and less what no more than 10% percent of the player base think (forum-goers).

And if you started playing Eve after the T20 fiasco, your sole opportunities for Eve gameplay are likely mining, hi-sec mission running, and doing a bit of exploration. You're pretty much directly forbidden from participating in any of the true eve game play... including scamming, market manipulation, or the rest. We've seen direct proof of that back when the CCP folks chimed into the forums with what they do in-game (IE - not much).

Considering all of that...

Why would the average Joe at CCP really care? It's a poorly paid job where he's probably ignored most of the time anyway, and, not to white knight CCP... but he's probably looked at the forum's a time or three and seen the foaming masses here, and just totally tuned out of the game entirely.

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Originally by: Myra2007

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Originally by: Erichan

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Aren't we a bit beyond Mods at this point? This is basically so fundamental we're looking for a Hilmer response, aren't we?

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This! Eagerly awaiting another smug tweet any minute now.

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Originally by: Royaldo

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Why do we need MT's again?

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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow

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Dejavu moment. Don't forget to check the thread topic.

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Originally by: Miilla

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Edited by: Miilla on 24/06/2011 00:41:54

Originally by: Black Dranzer

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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065

STOP THE PRESSES

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I told ya all, FRIDAY they talk, and we get to vent over the weekend.

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Originally by: CCP Pann

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The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.

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