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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:19:00 -
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This will be a simple vote, a companion to the other crowd source here as to player endorsement of microtransactions. Simply saying NO to CCP is not enough, and will likely lead to them doing it anyways, unless we can demonstrate that there is popular support behind an alternative solution to the revenue question.
Vote YES as the first word in your reply if you would be willing to pay an increased subscription fee, if it meant preventing microtransactions from obtaining a foothold in Eve Online.
Vote NO if you would never pay an increased subscription fee for Eve Online under any circumstance.
Vote MICRO if you would prefer to implement *optional* microtransactions (cosmetic or otherwise) instead of increasing subscription fees.
I will tally results and post here, periodically as the data rolls in. Feel free to suggest what you would be willing to pay in this thread, which is for discussing this proposal.
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:26:00 -
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YES
In the range of ~20Ç p.M. Only if they keep the mt-stuff vanity only. **** ****
***Thank you all, i got enough corpses for now :-)***)
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Steph Wing
Gallente Transfixion Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:28:00 -
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YES
...provided it didn't cost as much as that monocle.
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Urah Dedman
Minmatar DEEP-13
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:30:00 -
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YES
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Ion Shape
Phoibe Enterprises Peregrine Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Ion Shape on 23/06/2011 19:32:41 Edited by: Ion Shape on 23/06/2011 19:31:05 YES
and also take a look at this thread in the ideas section, http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534768 some good suggestions have been made other than the ones i started it with Trust in the Rust |
Nisanthro
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:31:00 -
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YES
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Angadia Hawaladar
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:32:00 -
[7]
YES
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Yirrkala Wombarra
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:34:00 -
[8]
YES
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Mikael Josefsson
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Mikael Josefsson on 23/06/2011 19:40:15 Yes.
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Vasha Rin
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:46:00 -
[10]
YES
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Gigante Toralen
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:48:00 -
[11]
Yes
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Nott Hunter
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:08:00 -
[12]
YES
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Haeri
Strategic Operations Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:10:00 -
[13]
YES null |
Alissa Solette
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Alissa Solette on 23/06/2011 20:13:17 YES
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.23 20:20:00 -
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MICRO - if someone wants to pay for a pair of pants, who am I to tell them no. I don't care what kind of pretty new shiny they add that can be obtained by micro transactions as long as it has no in-game impact (purely cosmetic). Eve already forces us to use multiple accounts in a way that no other MMO requires. If we didn't have to have a separate account for cynos, supers, and normal ships, I wouldn't have a problem with paying a bit more for my subscription. But, right now, just to use the stuff I have in game requires over $40 a month. That's already a rather high monthly subscription. If they touch the subscription price, I'd better see an enormous improvement in game play to go with it.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:42:00 -
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micro as bad as the current prices are, you do not have to buy them, and are given 0 ZERO advantage to having them. yes they should be cheaper yes its absurd that a monocle in game is $80 but face it if person A wants to try and be cool, let him its like buying a tournament ship isnt it? Epeen.
as long as the MT are kept to incarna WIS and WIS is completely optional, its fine the way it is no i would not pay more the $15 to play eve, its hardly worth that much
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vyseman
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Posted - 2011.06.23 21:45:00 -
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YES
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Chris Liath
Gallente Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:20:00 -
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YES
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
Cave Lord
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cave Lord on 23/06/2011 22:32:54 Yes Yes
(That's 1 yes for each of my accounts)
*edit* Thanks for making this poll to try to give CCP some real factual numbers on community feedback
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Smeedly
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:42:00 -
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No. If CCP wants to hang micro transactions over our heads as a way to charge us more subscription fees, Im not playing ball. Ill speak with my wallet and give their competitor money.
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Boris Delacroix
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:45:00 -
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No, but mostly because it's would stop new player from trying the game. When you know the game, paying more his not a big deal, but most people will not try a game who overcharge.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.23 22:56:00 -
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No
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Sarina Berghil
Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:09:00 -
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Yes
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The Blind Seeker
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Posted - 2011.06.23 23:37:00 -
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MICRO
I'm fully open to paying more if needed, but I would prefer to have to not. I mean if people want to look pretty that can, but I don't want to. But if worse comes to worse, yea I would pay more to play.
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Mystical Might
Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mystical Might on 24/06/2011 00:25:38 No to paying more. No to RMT.
MicroTransactions if its purely cosmetic. If it changes the game in any way, shape or form to give someone else the advantage over someone else, Scrap it.
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Spazz21
Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.24 00:20:00 -
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NO
I don't want vanity items, and the day I have to pay more for garbage I don't want. I will gladly find something else to do.
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Bagehi Ieyasu
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cave Lord Yes Yes
(That's 1 yes for each of my accounts)
*edit* Thanks for making this poll to try to give CCP some real factual numbers on community feedback
Micro. Micro. Micro. Micro. Micro. If we want to count accounts (see above for another of my accounts).
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jackaloped
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:03:00 -
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micro
You can already pay cash and get all the items in this game. You can even buy a character with maxed out skills. I don't see why everyone is so illogical about this mt issue.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:18:00 -
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No.
I pay enough as it is. If CCP wants more money then they shall cut down on their alcohol consumption. From what I always hear about Fanfest does there seem to be a lot of alcohol involved, which is supposedly very expensive in Iceland.
So, how about saving some money instead of trying to get more in through vanity items? Saving money is the reasonable way to go. Those 600 employees cannot release a single patch where they do not mess up some ship's bonuses in some way. With each patch do we get extended downtimes, that add up more and more. The quality is getting worse and the bill is supposed to go up?
No. No. No.
Be reasonable. They need to sort it out. Not us. --
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Rin Ji
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:24:00 -
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Yes... ....if the "need" is explained coherently.
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Whim Aqayn
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:28:00 -
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No.
There's no reason to.
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Demonedges
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Posted - 2011.06.24 19:35:00 -
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Micro with a caveat, purely cosmetic and not for plex. Make aurum a currency you can buy with cash.
You get the same subscription fee i'd pay to any other mmo, no special treatment to prevent doing something you haven't done for the last 8 years anyways. It goes up, I pay with plex until I can't afford the plex (which would be fast, considering an increased subscription fee would skyrocket plex prices) then I unsub. |
Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:05:00 -
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Yes. With the caveat that a higher sub price will make me expect more in the way of content.
2 weeks ago, I would say "micro" because I never imagined CCP would consider introducing game-affecting items. But now, unfortunately, I see that vanity items are just a starting point, and as such they are a starting point that cannot be allowed.
It's a shame, because properly done, microtransactions could be both a great revenue stream, and unobtrusive. Almost every player in this game would pay for a ship paint job. How cool would corp bomber jackets be? Corp uniforms? But as of now, I don't trust CCP with scissors.
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Jehvan Sunburnadire
The Forgotten Legion Redrum Fleet
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:16:00 -
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YES
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:26:00 -
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No
1. CCP are spending a major chunk of Eve subscription revenue on developing DUST and WoD.
2. The policy of rolling out new, buggy content in Eve is already a source of annoyance, whilst ignoring older mechanics that are critial to gameplay.
3. Eve is designed so that many players need multiple accounts, as a result it's already one of the most expensive MMOs on the market.
Why should subscribers voluntarily pay more revenue to CCP that will NOT be used to improve Eve. They don't appear to be listening to the CSM, or the playerbase. They iterate on crap that the players don't want. All this proposal does is throw money at a problem that cannot be fixed until CCP change their agenda.
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Lead Faith
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:27:00 -
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Micro Cosmetic-only
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Vordak Kallager
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:04:00 -
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Yes. Account 1 Yes. Account 2
Obviously the standards of CCP's updates and community service would be higher to accompany this higher subscription fee.
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Yvornes
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 -
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YES
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Zen Jardo
Merkhan Industries Anarchy Unlimited
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:35:00 -
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NO
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KoffeeKup
Caldari Azule Dragoons Sspectre
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:45:00 -
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Yes, but if its more than a 5 dollar increase than I will never be able to play the game the way my life is now.
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Optawankut
Minmatar Interplanetary Expeditions
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Posted - 2011.06.24 23:58:00 -
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MICRO
ONLY if the microtransaction market is completely optional to the player base - to participate in it or not, that is the question. I personally prefer not to.
I didn't come to EVE to pretty up an unrealistic virtual persona of myself - if I wanted to do that I'd go create a Second Life.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:38:00 -
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Die.........slowly and in pain
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Mattio11
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mattio11 on 25/06/2011 03:29:06 MICRO
However this vote is flawed. You need a 4th option for VANITY ONLY.
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen Vote MICRO if you would prefer to implement *optional* microtransactions (cosmetic or otherwise) instead of increasing subscription fees.
It is clear that you, yourself, disagree with MT and you have therefore cleverly designed the voting options for this thread so that people will be forced to choose YES or NO which is exactly what you want them to do. This thread is biased and stupid and should be either fixed or deleted.
There are many players who probably can't afford to pay for an increase in subscription fees and there are many players who don't want players to be given an unfair advantage by buying character enhancing items via microtransations - you are taking advantage of this.
Furthermore there are a lot of people who are mis-informed and who have been fooled by outrageous speculations and rumors - no facts.
There is nothing wrong with VANITY items. IT WILL NOT AFFECT YOU and your ability to play the game (the only problem with the latest expansion is the Captain's Quarters being to hardware hungry - this is another issue). If players want to spend money on fashion accessories then good for them - it's their choice; and if CCP can generate some extra income then good for them! THEY DESERVE IT!
CCP has worked long and hard for us (many selfish) players to provide the game we love and have given us many many FREE awesome expansions and improvements. It is their goal to create the ultimate online sci-fi experience FOR US and if we can help them achieve that goal, then we should! _____________________________________
"NO! TRY NOT!... Do. Or do not. ...There is no try!" |
Uriel Dragonhand
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:28:00 -
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Yes, provided that it is reasonable.
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Phain Death
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:50:00 -
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No
EVE subscriptions are already at the high end of MMOs. It's obviously profitable, evidenced by EVE providing enough revenue to be developing two new ambitious titles simultaneously.
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Lilliana Stelles
Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:04:00 -
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MICRO
Many games that use MT are able to drop subscription fees entirely.
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Gamero
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rin Ji Yes... ....if the "need" is explained coherently.
yes and +1 to Rin Ji
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Sensaia
The Wyld Hunt Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:01:00 -
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No.
Implementing MT already and obviously they don't care about their clients, and they are caught in the mainstream of we need more ISK damned, we need to pay for tons of stuff but I so want to see their annual Balance Sheet and see how much goes to their " Investors "
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Roonia
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Posted - 2011.06.25 09:11:00 -
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NO
They are using their revenue to develop cash farms like DUST and World of Darkness at the same time. Not many companies can do that. One would think 1 title was enough and use the rest of the money to improve eve and get even more players...but NOOOO...Greed is supreme.
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Tai Xi
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:26:00 -
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NO
they already invest our/my money in crap i do not want and doesn't even effect eve in a way i want.
i am speaking of the dust514 bull**** - we are paying 3? 4? years development of a game which will be pay-to-win. WTF PLS
they should use their ****ing money they get through eve use !FOR EVE!
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DeBingJos
Minmatar Jukebox Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tai Xi NO
they already invest our/my money in crap i do not want and doesn't even effect eve in a way i want.
i am speaking of the dust514 bull**** - we are paying 3? 4? years development of a game which will be pay-to-win. WTF PLS
they should use their ****ing money they get through eve use !FOR EVE!
^^ this NO
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Kara Audanie
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Posted - 2011.06.25 10:59:00 -
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Everyone, please read http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm and ask yourself, should you invest more money on this company?
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Magicblue
Amarr Hunters of capsuleers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Audanie Everyone, please read http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm and ask yourself, should you invest more money on this company?
HELL NO!
In a way true, but seriously if we can stop this kinda behavior a few euro increase in sub fee is acceptable. So i say Yes x 3
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Bangvang
Minmatar Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:15:00 -
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NO
the fee is high enough as it is.
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Chris Otsada
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Chris Otsada on 25/06/2011 14:34:39 Edited by: Chris Otsada on 25/06/2011 14:33:31 MICRO x3 One for each account.
If you want to spend $20 for your avatar to have a skirt, then go for it. If there is going to be more than just cosmetic MTs, then I would be willing to pay more to keep the MTs out of the game.
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TomParad0x
Caldari RogueNET
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Posted - 2011.06.25 14:43:00 -
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NO
I don't want to spread the extra money they want to get from vanity items across all of us in the way of subscription fees instead.
Micro is fine as long as it's only for vanity and cosmetic stuff. The day that we get any kind of pay-to-win system is the day I quit. Heck, I don't really care if I can buy a megathron from MT as long as it's plex -> Aurum -> Megathron, and as long as that megathron is no better (statistics wise, not looks) than any other megathron I can make using BPs. Seems like a bit of added redundancy since you can go plex -> isk -> Megathron but meh.
I have no problem with CCP trying to make extra money, but not with increased subscription fees or MT that involves paying for better stuff than the rest of us get.
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The RipperToad
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: The RipperToad on 25/06/2011 15:16:57 Wow, just wow. You're like the beaten housewife making concessions and telling yourself he still loves you. For the love of god grow a pair will you!?
EVE is already one of , if not the most, expensive subscription based MMO's out there.
ITT Golden Geese.
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Arias Dren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:38:00 -
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NO.
Sorry, but the world lets WoW get away with charging for expansions, while they recoup their enitre production costs for the release within a day or two after it lands. THEN people CONTINUE paying subs till the next robbing takes place.
Every EVE player pays almost the full amount that other developers charge for a one-off, fully priced AAA title... and they do that every 2 MONTHS. That PAYS for expansion development. That pays for the design and implementation of new features (clothing, etc.), and that pays for server maintenance and admin.
For additional money to be justified for development, or justified in allowing feature-use privileges, CCP would have to explain what exactly we pay our subs for. And also... why their new content production pipelines are so inefficient to require this scale of recompense.
Sorry, but what is going on here is exactly the same : a total -disconnect- between the proportional value of commercial media (in this case, 'features' within a game) and it's commensurate value in real world money.
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Diva Bara
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:52:00 -
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HELL NO to increased sub fees. YES to Microtransactions as long as they don't affect gameplay balance.
Eve sub is expensive as it is (60 days World of Warcraft = $30, 60 days Eve = $35) plus due to stupid restriction of one training character per account most people actually pay two or more accounts. I believe this situation is quite unique in MMO world, where so many MMO's struggle financially, often resorting to free to play model before going out of business completely. In contrast to that loyal Eve player base goes out of their way and gladly pay for several accounts, but that loyalty has its bounds...
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Ekserevnitis
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:04:00 -
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YES but i believe that some information about why they need more money and how they plan to use them would be useful.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:38:00 -
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whats the problem with micro payment?:O
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:43:00 -
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YES but to further fund EVE not games not related to it.
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Kaelie Onren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:54:00 -
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MICRO.
I really don't see what the problem is with MT.
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Cabaster
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:17:00 -
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NO
are you ppl insane you are all shifting the greed of ccp to the subscription system. How about not being so f*****g greedy and keep it as it is enough ppl buy plex to sell it for isk as it is and every time they can they brag about more ppl subscribing to eve so i say they're making enough money already. |
Kaelie Onren
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cabaster NO
are you ppl insane you are all shifting the greed of ccp to the subscription system. How about not being so f*****g greedy and keep it as it is enough ppl buy plex to sell it for isk as it is and every time they can they brag about more ppl subscribing to eve so i say they're making enough money already.
Exactly what is your problem with MT for cosmetic only goods? Is it just that CCP shouldn't make more money? Is it purely just the fact that CCP wants to generate more revenue that is the root of your displeasure?
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen on 25/06/2011 23:05:30
Originally by: Mattio11
It is clear that you, yourself, disagree with MT and you have therefore cleverly designed the voting options for this thread so that people will be forced to choose YES or NO which is exactly what you want them to do. This thread is biased and stupid and should be either fixed or deleted.
While I had no intention of cleverly manipulating results, you are correct that the vote needs to include a 4th option for the statistics to accurately represent player opinion. I value these numbers, as quantitative analysis is really all CCP's decision will come down to in the end. Players who have voted previously can edit their posts to reflect the newly added 4th option.
Thank you for keeping any perceived bias out of the poll, and thank you everyone else for your input.
Edit: Remember folks, lets try to keep questions and comments to a minimum, posts in this thread should begin with a vote. Discussion on this topic can be posted in this thread.
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:34:00 -
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Yes
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:57:00 -
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And obligatory gold ship and "I win" button for everyone.
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