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Aeril Thrace
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:33:00 -
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As the title says.
Imagine that a random shirt, and in the future other vanity items, costed around the equivalent of 20 million in AUR.
I'd buy shirts at that price, i think. Maybe just one or two. Or a new paintjob for a ship. I'd totally be into that.
But, would i be willing to pay real money for it? Of course not, it's 20 million! I can easily buy a plex, or buy the item off the market.
Most people, i suppose, will think like that. Why fork over cash when you can spend a few millions and get the same result?
This would lead to an increased demand of PLEXes, and so increased cost for those who pay their accounts with them.
CCP, of course, would still get the same benefit from it, no matter who pays the final real money price.
Effectively, most players will pay vanity items with ISK (from plexes, or market) and the few players who actually buy PLEXes to sell from ISK, will pay the actual real money.
This means:
- CCP achieves their objectives, but
- PLEXes raise in price (possibly, a lot)
- People who buy PLEXes will get more isk out of them, so they need to buy less for the same amount of isk
- Since there will be less PLEXes, prices will increase, again.
If today CCP puts 20m (in aur) pricetag on vanity items, then in 3 days PLEXes will skyrocket to 700+ million.
I don't know about you, but for me, that would be the termination of my account, as i couldn't possibly earn that much a month and still be able to play "fun" things.
I think most people pay their alts with PLEXes too.
Proposed solution:
- Aur can only be purchased with real money. Untie AUR from PLEXes
- Maybe, allow ISK to AUR conversion at a steep rate.
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Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:36:00 -
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Unfounded speculation upon untold theory with unexplained consequences on unstable logic?
BRILLIANT!
 Originally by: anonymous
WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia
Unfounded speculation upon untold theory with unexplained consequences on unstable logic?
BRILLIANT!
It seems to work for CCP so why not? 
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Aeril Thrace
Proposed solution: Aur can only be purchased with real money. Untie AUR from PLEXes.
Your "solution" isn't one.
One of the main reasons AUR was introduced was to help destroy part of the huge PLEX stockpiles that exist right now.
Making AUR purchase not pass through PLEX means the stockpile does not get touched.
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Aeril Thrace
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Aeril Thrace
Proposed solution: Aur can only be purchased with real money. Untie AUR from PLEXes.
Your "solution" isn't one.
One of the main reasons AUR was introduced was to help destroy part of the huge PLEX stockpiles that exist right now.
Making AUR purchase not pass through PLEX means the stockpile does not get touched.
I don't know... i still believe the main reason for Aurum is making more money.
Too many plexes? There are ways around that.
Have you read the newsletter?
Anyway, the proposed solution was just that, mostly a naive thought. The rest of the post is my main concern, IE being able to afford the montly PLEX.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
One of the main reasons AUR was introduced was to help destroy part of the huge PLEX stockpiles that exist right now.
Making AUR purchase not pass through PLEX means the stockpile does not get touched.
We need evidence of this assumption beyond the speculation of CCPs financial position. Furthermore the constant equivocations of the word "liability" that are endlessly debated regarding this assumption, have yet to result in anything worth while.
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Beelzebubz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:11:00 -
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well i am an economist and....i dont know wtf you said
are you saying they should make things cost 20mil AUR? or 20mil isk worth of AUR?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aeril Thrace
Too many plexes? There are ways around that.
Not really.
Quote:
Have you read the newsletter?
Yes, and contrary to rabble-rousing belief, there was nothing absurd in there, and the "outrageous" stuff was merely a "what if" scenario.
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Oftherocks
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Quote:
Have you read the newsletter?
Yes, and contrary to rabble-rousing belief, there was nothing absurd in there, and the "outrageous" stuff was merely a "what if" scenario.
This so reminds me of the BoB/BoD debacle. Is it poor judgement by a CCP employee? Yes. Will they maybe loose a few subscribers? Yes. Is it the end of the World? No.
While I have my issues with CCP (i.e. the Dev's all seem to suffer from ADD and never finish projects) I believe that they will get the hint about MT's and probably bring back ship spinning and in a month or two this will all seem a bit overblown.
At least I hope so.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:33:00 -
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I actually thought the leak had some intellectually logical and thought provoking parts of it.
My problems with it had more to do with its choice of focus and what was not said along side what was said. By omission, the main focus of the creative entertainment company was put in doubt.
BUT... onto your question.
There was a section in the memo that really did paint the dilema they are in... that if too many items were sold they'd all be worthless and no one would buy them...because its an artificial scarcity that makes them valuable in the first place.
What wasn't entirely said but which I think is pointed too, is that they realize aspects of the economy are entirely out of control for them.
The problem isn't so much the flow of isk/assets but the concentrations of isk/assets flow and possession.
A noticable percentage of long term players 1/10th 1/15th have tens and even hundreds of billions of isk often through trading, manufacturing, alliance and moon control, or just accumulated ratting fortunes. "younger" pure PVE players probably ammass hundreds of millions a week doing the part of the game they enjoy yet little place to spend it after getting a few faction fit ratters.
Any price that fit the description in the letter than a pair of sunglassess would need to cost far less than a masserati in the real world or a battleship in this world would be so easily afforded by people who also don't happen to get blown up much, that theyd be dime a dozen..
... not worth more than a stack of exotic dancers (fun to have but certainly someone would give you some before you spent $15 on them).
That price might be right for more than 50% of the players who struggle to rat out enough income to replace or upgrade their pvp ships...
Also, if you could buy dozens of items for 1 plex , people would do it once and be done with it...if they did spend real money.
So, they're pretty much screwed because of the vast divide in resources and different people playing the game to different ends.
I can assure you that 10 billion isk isn't worth 300$ or even $100 to me.. I like making isk.. the economy is one of the most fun parts of the game... I have no legal way to turn the isk into $ . For it to do any good i'll probably start needing to play daddy warbucks and give out billions to people who I fleet with and tell good jokes or put nice girlie links in .... (im still enjoying piling it up like a meglomaniac so not quite yet but soon).
TLDR --- there's no balance in wealth and perception of $ value of isk.
(one last thing... I read between the lines, through the juxtaposition of ideas and word choice, that some at the top felt that Eve as we knew it ,was "over"... that it was just a golden goose to be milked, that a gradual transition of its players was being forced into something more first person shooterish that would fit their new revenue model, the existing one in their minds, a dinasour that could not hope to exisit in what they see ahead in the market. (something said like "it will all be incarna in the future" not "it will all be EVE in the future" )
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia
Unfounded speculation upon untold theory with unexplained consequences on unstable logic?
BRILLIANT!
If you increase demand for a item of limited supply, the price of the item goes up.
By placing the prices of vanity items at a point where most players don't want them, they have minimal impact on the games larger economy.
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Langoss
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Aeril Thrace
Proposed solution: Aur can only be purchased with real money. Untie AUR from PLEXes.
Your "solution" isn't one.
One of the main reasons AUR was introduced was to help destroy part of the huge PLEX stockpiles that exist right now.
Making AUR purchase not pass through PLEX means the stockpile does not get touched.
why don't/can't CCP buy the huge PLEX stockpiles? They have unlimited ISK...
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Beelzebubz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Langoss
why don't/can't CCP buy the huge PLEX stockpiles? They have unlimited ISK...
thats an idea of how they can control the price like they said they would if it got out of control, which it all but has. plex wouldnt be sold on the market between players anymore it would be bought and sold in a special npc store for a set price, but the amount of plex for sale by the npc would be the same amount sold to the npc by players.
as for actually decreasing the number of plex in existence that shouldnt even be a concern, i mean they got the money from all of them already. if they got the money from all of them and now theyre in financial trouble they should look to their cfo because he mustve ****ed up somewhere. even if they arent in the red making more money is always an issue and thats the purpose of this silly store.
i see why people are upset, even though i dont care and wouldnt buy a virtual jacket anyway, the prices are way too high. i think there are naive people who expected to buy out the store with a $15 plex but theyre also insane. imo, as much as its worth, 1000-1500 AUR sounds right for normal items and something like the monocle should be around 4000, making it so the buyer has to blow 2 plex on it.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.24 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 24/06/2011 05:52:10
They cost a lot because they are meant to be status symbols
The Honda brand and the Acura brand comes to mind. Both cars, by the same people.
Edit: The idea you can afford it, and did buy is supposed to "connect you to your hobby" and you can show off to all your friends how rich you are.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.24 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
It's more than just a speculation, it's the logical continuation of the trend evident in this old blog. The only real question is just "how LARGE are the stockpiles exactly".
As for "liability", you are leaving out the part before, namely "financial", and therefore changing the meaning of the term.
You are misreading that as "something that is a hindrance or puts an individual or group at a disadvantage", when the actual meaning is "a current obligation of an entity arising from past transactions or events".
All it takes is one false assumption and these theories fall apart, we simply do not know how CCP manages their books or day to day operations. That "old blog" is a sales pitch, pure and simple.
I'm not arguing the term liability one way or the other, simply pointing out that, as you know well, it often becomes a friction in this very debate. That you are required to clarify its context, as you point out that you have, illuminates mine.
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