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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:45:00 -
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I am calling on a mass walk out of CSM representatives
CSM members are currently viewed by the game base in on of the following brackets:
* Viewed with incredulity that you actually think you are going to change anything.
* Viewed with disdain as attention seeking free holiday grabbers.
* Viewed with contempt as pushing your own or your own alliances agenda.
* Viewed with disgust as collaborators in CCPs great free PR experience.
The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base.
This has not turned out to be the case.
A mass walk out by some or All of the CSM members will redeem three years of farce, as weekly you were patronised, patted on the head, handed free CCP bum bags and posters, and subsequently ignored by the CCP devs.
Walking out now will mean the original concept of the CSM, representatives of the player base forcing CCP to remain honest, will rise Phoenix like from the debasement that it is now.
Its not too late, Dear CSM member. Its not to late to redeem yourself
Do it for EVE.
Do it for The Players.
Do it for The Devs even now gagged in fear of the money men.
Do it for principal.
Do it for the truth.
Rage threads are not going to change a thing. Only un-subscriptions will change it. Or bad press. Bad press like the group CCP set up to ensure they were acting honestly resigning due to their lack of honesty.
Be A Phoenix. Take Your Chance. Resign publicly now
Fly like a phoenix my friends..... FLY!
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Cailais
Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Oh wait.
C.
Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP.
Such an excellent job, we are not currently sitting in the biggest ****e-storm the game has ever seen.
Resign, I cry. Whether it be in SHAME at your failure or in PRINCPAL.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
These guys get free vacations and beer parties. I dont think they are going anywhere.
This is an example of the second case i mentioned in my op
"* Viewed with disdain as attention seeking free holiday grabbers."
You can change this, and many more like hims, opinions of you, dear CSM representative. In one foul swoop.
Resign now, and instantly gain
Credulity
Respect
Admiration
And indeed... perhaps Forgiveness.
And the knowledge that you have done what is right.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dreadlocker
The CSM should not walk out now. We need them now more than ever. Open channels of productive communication can turn this around.
Long live EVE
Currently we get more communication from monitoring one random devs Twitter Feed
All we get from the CSM is the same as we have always got. A mix of:
pseudo professionalism
diarys
quotas
agendas
requests for comments
self justification
long winded exasperated posts at how ccp are not listening to them
the occasional attempt at cheating (Larkonis)
the occasional mysterious sacking (ankhemankaporai)
And a generally self important, puffed up, slightly sneering, occasionally outright mocking attitude.
They cannot save us through talk. They CAN save us through ACTION
Hold down alt, and type in quafe, My dear CSM comrades. You will not see a naked Quafe girl. But you will see a beautiful new dawn in your life.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Darius III
They didn't run this by us, we were as shocked as anyone.
Thats the CSMs one and only role!
Grow some backbone man.
They have humiliated you!
Now humiliate THEM!
Tender your resignation.
And you find the public admiration, astonishment, and love you have been seeking all of your attention grabbing and amusing forum posts have been seeking.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Dylan Hunt
Originally by: Le Skunk
The original CSM concept was created by Hillmarrgh to "look in every corner" to make sure CCP were not involved in abusing the player base.
Then wouldn't it be better for the CSM to get stuck into CCP, rather than walk away from them? So they might annoy some Devs, and ruin their chances of CCP approving their application when the next CSM votes roll around, and then lose their free trip(s) to Iceland...so what?
The CSM are meant to be in CSM for us, not for all the cool freebies they get from CCP.
Excellent points.
I am sure you know the drip drip PR feed CCP did both when the CSM was initiated, and subsequently.
Not only the gamer mags and sites were smothered with "Brave CCP, How ingenious, How Cutting edge" type posts, but also many mainstream media sites
The BBC, Wall Street Times to name a few
CCP could not have paid for this exposure. Certainly well worth throwing some dudes a free jolly to iceland with some posters thrown in.
Sure the CSM could continue a three year dialogue that has demonstrably massively and disastrously failed.
That will work... right?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Theocrates
All the unsubs since this went nova and yet you are still here? Ahh well, geuss the good guys can't win every battle.
Not sure what that means? It could mean im one of the good guys and you think i should unsub. Or it could mean your annoyed that with all the unsubs and I am not one of them. Flesh it out and I can respond, or dont, as you wish.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Slaktoid
We need the CSM. I have no insight in what goes on inside the CSM, and I'm sure there's a fair amount of wannabe's in that group (look at my shiny forum badge!omfghh! I'm important!). I believe the majority of them are interessted in doing good, important work for the community, though. I would like them to be abit more aggressive though. To take more of a journalistic approach towards CCP.
You are there to make CCP's life harder. To push the organization into creating a better game, to help CCP make decisions that will improve upon the gameplay itself. So far I think the CSM are doing a good job, I hope they aggressively pursue the MT-issues, and CCP's woefully faulty views on the matter.
They cannot!
They are almost utterly toothless. This has been shown year after year and proven by the Incarna patch.
The only option they have to aggressively pursue ANYTHING is to RESIGN.
An organisation originally designed by CCP to ensure that CCP were acting honestly (and this is the line they used when contacting the big media outlets) resigning because CCP are not acting honestly.
Who will be the first to resign. They will be remembered in the annals of eve.
Oh captain my captain!
Get on your desk. Others will follow. The saga will reach its glorious conclusion.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:33:30
Originally by: Illadelph Justice
Originally by: Elise Randolph
Yea everything didn't go exactly as planned once let me quit about it~
Nah, Ima stay and continue to work with my CSM bros to provide feedback (fair amount of negative at the moment) to CCP. Momma didn't raise no quitter.
MY CSM (ALTERNATIVE) DELEGATE
I will continue to provide feedback to cpp which will subsequently demonstarbly be ignored.
I will continue to spend hours filling in forms, calling meetings and requesting comment DESPITE THREE YEARS CLEAR EVIDENCE MY WORK IS WORTH NOTHING.
I will continue banging my head against this brick wall
I got into politics to make a difference. The only opportunity in my life to make a difference I will let slip by.
Momma may not have raised a quitter. What the hell did she raise?
You have a window of opportunity here - dont miss it.
Originally by: Saving Face
Edited by: Saving Face on 24/06/2011 17:08:51
Originally by: Le Skunk
Who will be the first to resign. They will be remembered in the annals of eve.
Actually, T'Amber resigned over this last year and was largely met with ridicule.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1403625
Turns out he was right, funny how that works eh :)
A great gesture, and one that was disgracefully not followed up by the cowardly spineless other CSM members who would have known EXACTLY what tamber knew and chose to suck CCP nipple.
SHAME ON THEM.
Disgusting Collaboraters, they should have their heads shaven, and forced to walk the streets of paris having fruit thrown at them.
Unless... they resign now. And redeem their actions. All will be forgiven, and they will have their heads massaged, and fruit served to them in little bowls.
SKUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:36:12
Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Cailais
Yes, removing a path of communication is an extremely good idea.
Yes because the path of communication you mention has done a fantastic job over the years of conveying the thoughts and demands of the playerbase to CCP.
That's the funny thing. Whenever CCP runs something by the CSM and they take the CSM's input into account, things generally turn out alright. When CCP completely bypasses the CSM and runs off to do whatever they feel is necessary, we get this.
Not the CSM's fault. Seleene has been doing an excellent job of keeping us up to date if you bother to look.
This. So much this.
Seleene resigning instead of dripping out occasional content less twhatter feeds would have nine thousand times the chance of nipping this **** in the bud before it flowers into a monstorous triffid to consume EvE and us all
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 17:47:38
Originally by: I Love Boobies
I think CCP would WELCOME the CSM to walk out. If CSM did walk out, then CCP would have one less group of people meddling in their affairs. Personally, I think CCP regrets ever forming the CSM. Plus, if the CSM did walk out, it would save CCP money by not having to fly them over to Iceland any more. After all, Greed is Good.
The CSM do not meddle. They provide a rubber stamp to CCP policys. They provide the plasusible excuse of democracy. HAve a problem?
* Post a thread on the csm forums.
* Garner support.
* Wait for the CSM to debate item.
* If they agree, wait until they meet CCP.
* If ccp agree wait until it gets put on the to do list
* Refresh the to do list page daily.
* Watch the to do list steadily grow and your point sink into the midst.
* ...
* WAIT THREE YEARS
* ...
* Get told you have to wait another 18 months before CCP will even look at your point
* ...
* WAIT 18 MONTHS
* ...
* Raise another CSM post about the same issue.
Go look at the Massive list of player concerns from the CSM section of the forums that has been growing for three years now. Its incredible. Utterly astounding.
Not as astounding as the continued presence of players (and well respected ones to) on the CSM. What a mockery.
SKUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.24 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cortante
CSM won't walk out. Mittani and his goof brigade are there to go to Iceland and drink beer. They don't care about the game, it's all about being a weak sauce "Eve celebrity."
Why do you think they're so silent over this? They don't dare risk angering CCP.
One would have thought that perhaps someone who professes to be mischievous and for the lols would have ample reason to throw a resignation into the mix at this tumultuous time.
And as for e-celebrity. I would imagaine the first to go would be inundated with interviews, perhaps from the same mainstream media sites as were used to spin the CSM in the first place (bbc, washington times etc)
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/06/2011 20:02:37
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Who cares about the CSM?
Seriously, it's a glorified popularity contest with a vacation reward. It hasn't had a hand in EVE's developement ever. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either insane or a CSM member/hopeful looking for a free holiday.
Mittens' posting should give you a pretty clear idea of how CSM works: ~drunk last night, can't say anything, gotta go~
So why would anyone care if they resign or not? They are symbolic of nothing but voting blocks.
Good points.
As for who would care, I would suggest the same media outlets that we interested in the first place about the CSM. Real media outlets which printed the PR in the first place (bbc, washington times etc)
The irony of the body employed by CCP to guarantee its honesty and transparency , resigning due to lack of honesty and transparency is delicious
The secondary parallel with real word events (which they LOVE to report on) with the jita riots would almost write the piece itself for a lazy hack.
Its just the sort of story that would get picked up.
Or they, and us, can continue the same process of dialogue that has in three years produced nothing but a 200 item to do list which CCP have ignored in favour of the path they presently find themselves on.
It is also a fantastic chance for the CSM candidates to prove they are not just fickle internet gimps and in fact have substance, honor and backbone.
SKUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
I take great pride in being called an assclown by idiots, means I must be doing something right.
But do you take pride in being made to look like assclowns by the people you are working with at CCP
Originally by: Two step
We have been posting as best we can. You can see a bunch of our thoughts in threads like this one. Remember that many of us have jobs, and cannot devote every waking minute to digging CCP out of the giant crater they drove EVE into.
Personally, I have cancelled the subs on all 3 of my accounts, and I urge players to do the same. This is a clear metric that CCP is paying attention to, and is one of the best ways to make it clear to them that they are on the wrong track.
One of the best ways would be for you to resign. The fact you naturaly have real life time issues SHOULD FURTHER drive you to resign. Why are you devoting valuable time to dialogue with CCP when they pay no attention to you. Why will you continue to do so?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
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"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale."
Walk out CSM. Walk out.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:13:00 -
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Resign.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Miagi Sans
why dont you just quit eve op? i for one hope they stay.
May you live in (hilmargghs) interesting times
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:46:00 -
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Indeed.
What do CCP have to do to get you to resign. Make you wear leather skirts, clown wigs, a dunce cap and tap dance on the table whilst "communicating" with them
How much more can they humiliate the CSM, and all the time you spent on it without going?
They think your "noise in the channel". Be a whopping great mine in the channel instead.
KA BOOM!!!!!!
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/06/2011 22:50:00
Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/06/2011 22:49:42
Listening to the CSM and ex CSM members flounder for words at the megalomaniacal,
delusional, and slighty creepy alleged email live on international radio is proof further that they have left you no choice of further action. You have been hung out to dry. Humiliated with thousands of people listening to your gawping mouths as they flapped open at the wording of the document.
Like Goldfish
Any basis for remaining active members of the CSM was ripped from underneath them. The question should not be "should they go" but "why didnt they go yesterday"
The CSM is a dog and pony(sic) show of cosmic proportions. Even the dog and the pony are beginning to wake up.
DONT BE A DOG!
DONT BE A PONY!
DONT BE A GOLDFISH!
BE A PHOENIX
Rise from the ashes of the CSM as a true force in the universe.
I am sparticus!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SKUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunia
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
What good is a CSM if they're unable to speak?
Not trolling with an alt ftw.
What good is a CSM if they can speak but are not listened to.
CCP could fly them to Iceland and make them sit and talking to a stuffed mannequin called "Hot Lola" with the same effect as a gaggle of grinning Devs.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 25/06/2011 23:12:19
Originally by: Junko Sideswipe
LOL, you guys know this is a video game right? 
This is not just a video game.
This is a defining moment in the development of MMO gaming.
Events taking place today are being watched by suits industry wide. The "highly competent professionals and though leaders in this industry" set in path this chain of events in full knowledge of the upheaval it would cause.
The whole industry is watching these events. The rot CAN be stopped here.
We have made to many compromises already, to many retreats. They assimilated SWG, and we withdrew. They invaded Eve, and we fell back. But not again, the line must be drawn here! This far, no further!
Can you live with telling your grandchild, in years to come, I was at the EvE protests with the dogs and the firehoses, and I did nothing.
Can you?
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 03:55:15
Originally by: agram tabris
hey skunk,
where was your glorious post when some of the previous csm members resigned b'cause they pointed that eve is taking the wrong direction but nobody listened??
csm may not be perfect, but at least there is a "tiny,tiny chance" they can take some influence on the ccp in our favour. if you ask me thats better than nothing..
everyone can pretend to be smarter afterwards..
Glorious indeed this thread would be if somewhere in amongst it lie a CSM barred post announcing they would stand tall, and do the honourable thing.
Alternatively, it may stand as testament to the dire failure of the CSM as a concept, and the ignominious personal failings of those individual who lurk in amongst it.
Once they were puppets, now they are clowns
My contempt for those who are collaborating with the CCP PR project that is the CSM has mellowed into pity. Anyone listening to the Eve Radio round table when the purportedly leak email was read to them will sympathise.
Truly, it would take a heart of stone not to sympathise with the CSM members, their nominal leader amongst them, as they gawped and spluttered slackjawed, as they were AGAIN completely ignored by CCP. Normally you cant shut them up, as they buzzword air into each others Zeppelin like egos.
Im told some are talking of leaving..... well in the alleged words of hillmargh himself
"I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say"
An outright challenge. And one I echo. RESIGN CSM!!!! RESIGN!!!!!
SKUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:11:34
Originally by: Aessaya
As far as i know, CSM is fully supportive of us, not the CCP. The problem is, CCP is ignoring them as well as us. And walking out is not a solution either.
p.s. Mittens' twitter:
Originally by: The Mittani
@Pyrrho Past CSMs have resigned and it's just resulted in eyerolls
and essentially no impact with CCP at all.
Not so.
Whilst some of the CSM members will naturally have large amounts of their self worth invested in their high powered position, and can be forgiven for seeking any excuse not to go.
A mass walk out WILL have an effect!
The attempt to equate the effects of a couple of csm alternates (albeit it principled) walk out during a time of calm, and a mass walk out of the entire CSM at a time of mass unsubs, threadnaughts, delusional emails, and insider leaks, is disingenuous at best. Some of you may have other words to describe it.
CCP courted major news agency's when the CSM was originally introduced as a PR stunt after a Dev was caught cheating.
Originally by: hilmar in the new york times
I envision this council being made up of nine members selected by the players themselves, where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis...
A government canÆt just keep saying, æWe are not corrupt.Æ No one will believe them. Instead you have to create transparency and robust institutions and oversight in order to maintain the confidence of the population.
The Washington Post, New York times, and British Broadcasting Corporation (not just the big gaming sites.. "serious" news agencys) were all tapped up and duely posted the press releases.
The exact same agencys may take an interest in the walk out. And our cause would be furthered.
WHY?
The piece would almost write itself. You could knock up a couple thousand words in a heartbeat.
So many angles
* Virtual Democracy Gone Bad - parallel with protest movements in real life
* Body set up to ensure transparency walking out due to lack of transparency
* Parallels with Icelands refusnik attitude in real life and CCP Ceo messianic bunker mentality
* Riots in jita vs Riots in real life.
* Humourous, arnt gamers a bit weird, angle.
* Greed is good: Bankers greed and economic meltdown, CCP greed and virtual meltdown
* Banning of whisteblowers. Freedom of speech.
* The juicy "whos the CCP leaker" angle :)
* Blah blah gaming industry worth xxx billion blah blah real life parralel blah blah
Easy to write, interesting, topical piece with humourous undertones. Bang! On the editors desk
Its players actions that count, not words. Somebody told me that.. I cant remember who!
SKUNK
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:17:06
Edited by: Le Skunk on 26/06/2011 16:16:36
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Le Skunk
"We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than whatæs in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale."
SKUNK, why dont you walk out?
3 Accounts Down tomorrow
3 Accounts Down in 15 Days
3 Accounts due resubbing over the next 8 weeks holding For Future Developments.
Yes I am (was) one of those nerds with 9 accounts
SKUNK
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Posted - 2011.07.03 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
To the OP. Please do the following for the sake of everyone on the forums:
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and finally
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Thank you kindly.
I have images turned off on the forums, Im sure what you posted was hilarious however so you should have three biscuits, one for each picture.
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