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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:31:00 -
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'nuf said............
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Yanis Gustavo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:32:00 -
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Agreed! If any of these folks have taken a philosophy class, they would know that slippery slope arguments do not work.
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:33:00 -
[3]
You'd think this was Syria, for Christ's sake..........
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Bhealla Pava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:35:00 -
[4]
Posting 
Word. |
Col Howitzer
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:36:00 -
[5]
ya just like SWG you trolls come on here and said the same thing then..and you were right look how SWG is making some serious money now with all those subs
Only CCP can prevent forum fires |
Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:37:00 -
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I'd say, if you want to post somewhere as a means of being against those actions of others; then do it in the threads where they're attacking CCP. But each to his own, I guess. This isn't going to accomplish much, and neither is that. They're well beyond listening, and I was actually thinking of trying to find a pic from the riots in Vancouver after the last Hockey game. Different reason for the riot of course; but it all stems from the same thing. People are ****ed.
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Falcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:40:00 -
[7]
X
I also am damn tired of CCP (in childish fits of rage) locking threads, banning long standing eve personalities and defying the very hands that feed them.
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Rumplefink
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 -
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they can't do this!
they can't
they can't
they can't
they can't
they can't
they can't
I'm telling mom!
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 -
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I find it quite fascinating the if someone doesn't agree with you "they" are the trolls. Why don't you lay on your back, scream and kick your feet and see if that helps Eve Online. I happen to love this game and it is you that is trying to destroy it.... maybe you'll be lucky and have your self fulfilling prophecy.
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Alley Specter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:41:00 -
[10]
. Email Starts.-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400
To: [email protected]
Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today
From: [email protected]
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=.UTF-8.
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
(end)
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Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:42:00 -
[11]
Agreed. All tantrums should be sober, serious, and to the point. CCP won't listen to people who are acting like idiots, whereas...well, they probably won't listen to us either way, but I'll feel less like I'm shooting myself in the foot.
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AdmiralJohn
Gallente
Origin of Sanshaa
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:43:00 -
[12]
Wait, was this meant to be ironic?
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 -
[13]
 Originally by: Col Howitzer
ya just like SWG you trolls come on here and said the same thing then..and you were right look how SWG is making some serious money now with all those subs
Circuitious logic indeed...................
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Harrigan VonStudly
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:44:00 -
[14]
**** off carebear. If this is all you got in wake of everything else you got nuttin'. Biotch
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:49:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Falcus Aurelius
X
I also am damn tired of CCP (in childish fits of rage) locking threads, banning long standing eve personalities and defying the very hands that feed them.
So the arsonist burning a building in a fit of rage, blames the fire department now, using your logic?
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Consequence Zero
Non Affiliation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:50:00 -
[16]
I agree,
Enough with all these players protesting that we are protesting the protesters who are protesting the changes that suck and should be protested!!
These new players who say give me yer isk and ask if i'm mad should be protested.
I protest these protests!!!!
p.s. I want a pony
IT WILL NEVER GO AWAY
ALWAYS HAUNTING.
FREE HELICITY
FREE LIANG
REVOLT AGAINST THE OPPRESSIVE TYRANT CCP |
Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:51:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly
**** off carebear. If this is all you got in wake of everything else you got nuttin'. Biotch
Ahhhhhhhhhh profanity.......... nicely done! Another flagrant display of maturity for all to see.
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Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Falcus Aurelius
X
I also am damn tired of CCP (in childish fits of rage) locking threads, banning long standing eve personalities and defying the very hands that feed them.
While I respect your agreeing here, I fail to see the second half of your argument being valid. They're doing no such thing, except where banning such a personality saves that person from later embarrassment.  Honestly, j/k, no idea what you are talking about. Has Chribba been banned? Akita T has been stirring up the ****, along with Seleene. I can see both of them getting banned, though Akita T's more likely.
As for defying the hands that feed them, CCP's is only doing what it is that they do. Nothing is new here; this has all been projected for months, if not years. The MT thing is a relatively new announcement sure, but not even worth wasting an inkling of effort being concerned about. So what? Vanity items, like that's something new? Who gives a ****? They removed the Ishukone Scorp when the community became a little miffed, and held it off till they could implement it properly. That was almost an immediate response, to putting it on the table and having it flop. They are and always have been listening.
There is zero cause for this BS, and most of these flaming idiots are well beyond helping. I can't think of one reason why anyone would entertain them in the slightest, with them going on like this. To entertain it, is to encourage it. Not something that should be done. You don't do it with children unless you're senseless and you want them beating the snot out of you for a dollar later in life.
As far as they go; until they get their **** together, I don't think CCP should give them, (or the rest of us by default), anything. Not one damn thing.
Take a look at these pictures, I was mentioning earlier. It's comparable to what is happening on these forums, and equally absurd, irresponsible and destructive.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:55:00 -
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quick where is glen beck when you need him? he predicted wrong its arab spring then summer eve and then european fall.
Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 3APR11
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Anigava
'nuf said............
AMEN brother A M E N!
CCP needs to stop this juvenile crap and face the consequences of their actions. Not hide in their mom's skirts hoping the fire will die on it's own before it consumes it all. Also, those letters and newsletters are very childish too, they used to be proper business men, now they are caricatures of who they used to be. |
Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:57:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Alley Specter
To: [email protected]
From: evewatch@hush.com
Message-Id: <20110623221654.CF1E76F438@smtp.hushmail.com>
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Zuquar Bonaparte
New Dawn Corporation
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:03:00 -
[22]
Edited by: Zuquar Bonaparte on 25/06/2011 04:04:13
Originally by: Anigava
I find it quite fascinating the if someone doesn't agree with you "they" are the trolls. Why don't you lay on your back, scream and kick your feet and see if that helps Eve Online. I happen to love this game and it is you that is trying to destroy it.... maybe you'll be lucky and have your self fulfilling prophecy.
I find it quite fascinating that you cannot see that ppl protesting are doing so because they allso love this game, and would hate to se it ruind by a bunch of ignorant gamedevelopers who is trying to break your game so they can earn enough to pay for development of other games while they still have you as a cash cow, did you say MUUUUUUUU
"primary the Freki "
"ok ok but which 1!!" |
Alley Specter
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:04:00 -
[23]
ù Email Startsù-
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:16:54 -0400
To: [email protected]
Subject: ccp ceo global msg sent today
From: [email protected]
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=öUTF-8″
Message-Id: <[email protected]>
sent by hilmar to ccp global list-
(strt)
We live in interesting times; in fact CCP is the kind of company that if things get repetitive we instinctively crank it up a notch. That, we certainly have done this week. First of we have Incarna, an amazing technological and artistic achievement. A vision from years ago realized to a point that no one could have imaged but a few months ago. It rolls out without a hitch, is in some cases faster than what we had before, this is the pinnacle of professional achievement. For all the noise in the channel we should all stand proud, years from now this is what people will remember.
But we have done more, not only have we redefined the production quality one can apply to virtual worlds with the beautiful Incarna but we have also defined what it really means to make virtual reality more meaningful than real life when it comes to launching our new virtual goods currency, Aurum.
Naturally, we have caught the attention of the world. Only a few weeks ago we revealed more information about DUST 514 and now we have done it again by committing to our core purpose as a company by redefining assumptions. After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store.
This we have done after months of research by a group of highly competent professionals, soliciting input and perspective from thought leaders and experts in and around our industry. We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone.
Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
We went out with a decisive strategy on pricing and we will stay the course and not flip flop around or knee jerk react to the predictable. That is not saying nothing will change, on the contrary, in fact we know that success in this space is through learning and adapting to _what is actually happening_ and new knowledge gained in addition to what we knew before and expected.
All that said, I couldnGÇÖt be prouder of what we have accomplished as a company, changing the world is hard and we are doing it as so many times before! Stay the course, we have done this many times before.
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r0t
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:05:00 -
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Everyone that's freaking out on the forums here = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJADwIMOmqs
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Peter XZ
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:06:00 -
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Y R THESE JUVENILES STILL HERE AFTER 4 DAYS OF INCARNA, THEYRE SAYING THEY WANNA QUIT, WELL GET OUT AND GIVE US UR STUFF, INSTEAD OF WHINING FOR LITERALLY DAYS COS UR TOO CHICKEN TO CLICK THE UNSUB BUTTON.
**Time Passes, Eternity Awaits, Jesus Saves, and no you can't take Eve with you.**Hi to all my Eve Youtube friends, you kno who you are *\o/* traditional500 channel |
Selinate
Amarr
Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:06:00 -
[26]
*sigh*
When it comes to the eve community, all I have to say is I TOLD YOU SO, 1 million times over
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Malice Redeemer
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:07:00 -
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removing features people like to replace it with crap some Ceo likes is what is happening here, and what happen to SWG, I'm not going to stick around at all this time, I know where this ship is headed
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Jet Aeon
Gallente
Two Smoking Barrels
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:07:00 -
[28]
I don't know if I should be laughing at the cry babies, or be embarrassed for them?
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Captain Octanis
Caldari
Capsule Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:09:00 -
[29]
YES
people need to grow up, seriously
you are rage quitting over something that MIGHT NOT EVEN HAPPEN
GLORY TO THE STATE |
Yurasu Kujiku
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:13:00 -
[30]
The epitomy of juvenile is the local chat in Jita. I have to agree just quit, transfer your stuff to others (I will take it for sure), and just go. The expansion has not affected my gameplay, and I rather like the CQ. As far as the NeX, I just won't buy it. CCP is a company and companies are in business to make money. They own the game, they make the content, they do things to make money. Sheesh, enough already people.
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PimpMommy
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:13:00 -
[31]
Never, I drink the tears of the crybabies and feast on there bones. To bad I don't have a trained up alt that can smartbomb the protestors that isn't already banned from highsec.
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:17:00 -
[32]
Originally by: r0t
Everyone that's freaking out on the forums here = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJADwIMOmqs
The Alex Jones analogy is well placed.
It all boils down to methodology......... I'm merely saying that how this is being handled by SOME players in the Eve Online community is childish and wrong. Have you ever heard the term "silent majority"? The majority of players are not represented by those ranting here in the forums.
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Captain Octanis
Caldari
Capsule Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:18:00 -
[33]
Originally by: PimpMommy
Never, I drink the tears of the crybabies and feast on there bones. To bad I don't have a trained up alt that can smartbomb the protestors that isn't already banned from highsec.
OH BOY
GLORY TO THE STATE |
AdmiralJohn
Gallente
Origin of Sanshaa
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:20:00 -
[34]
Edited by: AdmiralJohn on 25/06/2011 04:20:08
Yeah let's complain about how everyone complaining is an idiot and/or right wing nutjob! Screw the irony! People should like everything produced and if they don't they should just leave, trying to improve the game is for DUMMIES! LOLOLOLOOLOL
P.S. the superiority complex in here is rather irritating.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:22:00 -
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You're scared the protestors are destroying the game?
Been paying attention to what CCP has been saying as of late?
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Madlynn Martigan
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:24:00 -
[36]
I'm still trying to play catch with all the outrage. let me see if I got this straight . . .
Apparently, statues in Jita are charging too much for PANTS!!! and must be destroyed?
That about the jist of things?
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boeboe joe
Helix Commonwealth Command
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:26:00 -
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Just posted this on Zulu's new blog comments, good enough for a bump me thinks. 
-start
Don't know if I'm the first to say this but here it goes, thank you CCP Zulu. I also want to give a much needed and overdue thanks to CCP Pann and CCP Fallout for being on the frontlines of this whole thing and dealing with/tanking the trolls.
I really do have a better understanding of what the company newsletter was all about. If I did understand it correctly it's more of a brainstorm on big ideas currently in the industry, for employees to go back and forth to develop those ideas that could be used to enhance EVE/CCP.
"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand."-Zulu
As far as the NEX market goes, personally I won't be paying (I lol's at my puns) any attention to those things unless, someone happens to put one of those on market for less than 10 mil isk, that would probably be my limit. Therefore, "NEX market combat group of vanity items completely miss boeboe joe, doing 0.0 damage to his wallet, yay!"
A good feature to have on the NEX market too would be to display the original price beside those item(s) on sale, like 900 AUR then 1,200 AUR in strikethrough. But I digress, that is a another topic for another thread. Again I cannot thank you all enough for explaining this in further detail, and from mature players everywhere I would like to say I'm sorry for the crap you all have had to deal with. Now go make us some moar CQ's! 
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:27:00 -
[38]
Pretty tired of the temper tantrum myself. It's pretty ridiculous. But then my perspective is probably different than many of the folks freaking out. First, I am a small business owner myself, and am quite comfortable with the idea that you put everything on the table for internal discussions. That's simply smart -- even when you are 99% sure something is a bad idea you should always leave the door open to new ideas.
Second, I have been playing MMO's since the genre was invented, way back in the days of old UO and Meridian 59. Over the decade plus since then I have seen similar over reaction time and time again from players who really don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about. And while it is EASY to scream that the devs are stupid or never listen, the reality is that the devs are NOT stupid, have more hard data and experience than the typical player will ever posess, and almost always considered everything the player might have to say months or years before the thought ever endered the player's head. The rare exceptions to this rule are not found in successful and established gaming companies.
This is a revolution against competence and grounded in the irrational. The argument I keep hearing is that people really love eve and don't want it to change, or not in this way. Yet the game they love was developed over a half decade by the same folks vilified as demons today.
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:34:00 -
[39]
Originally by: AdmiralJohn
Edited by: AdmiralJohn on 25/06/2011 04:20:08
Yeah let's complain about how everyone complaining is an idiot and/or right wing nutjob! Screw the irony! People should like everything produced and if they don't they should just leave, trying to improve the game is for DUMMIES! LOLOLOLOOLOL
P.S. the superiority complex in here is rather irritating.
Burning down a building because you don't like the architecture is HARDLY my idea of "improvement". This is a game that's beginning to feel like a sandbox full of petulant children.... yes we have time invested (and I'll match years played with anyone), but guess what, I don't feel superior, I feel saddened at how this is playing out. Most violent revolutions in history improve nothing, but destroy everything.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:36:00 -
[40]
If you want to sit around and continue to be milked for your cash, by all means, continue to do so.
In the meantime, I will continue to share my opinions on the direction CCP is going any way I damn well please, and I'd like to see you try to stop me.
Why don't you take your own advice - if you don't like what you're seeing, just leave quietly without a fuss.
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:37:00 -
[41]
Originally by: OT Smithers
Pretty tired of the temper tantrum myself. It's pretty ridiculous. But then my perspective is probably different than many of the folks freaking out. First, I am a small business owner myself, and am quite comfortable with the idea that you put everything on the table for internal discussions. That's simply smart -- even when you are 99% sure something is a bad idea you should always leave the door open to new ideas.
Second, I have been playing MMO's since the genre was invented, way back in the days of old UO and Meridian 59. Over the decade plus since then I have seen similar over reaction time and time again from players who really don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about. And while it is EASY to scream that the devs are stupid or never listen, the reality is that the devs are NOT stupid, have more hard data and experience than the typical player will ever posess, and almost always considered everything the player might have to say months or years before the thought ever endered the player's head. The rare exceptions to this rule are not found in successful and established gaming companies.
This is a revolution against competence and grounded in the irrational. The argument I keep hearing is that people really love eve and don't want it to change, or not in this way. Yet the game they love was developed over a half decade by the same folks vilified as demons today.
I would love to see the real-world job resumes of the players screaming here in the forums. Sitting home with a Red Bull and a bag of Cheetos doesn't a business degree make (ok, now that smacked of superiority).
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Selinate
Amarr
Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:37:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Madlynn Martigan
I'm still trying to play catch with all the outrage. let me see if I got this straight . . .
Apparently, statues in Jita are charging too much for PANTS!!! and must be destroyed?
That about the jist of things?
Somehow this analogy reminds me of the Iraq war.... 
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Zig Atlas
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:42:00 -
[43]
I love Incarna and this entire outrage over NOTHING is just sad.
Stay strong CCP!
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:42:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
If you want to sit around and continue to be milked for your cash, by all means, continue to do so.
In the meantime, I will continue to share my opinions on the direction CCP is going any way I damn well please, and I'd like to see you try to stop me.
Why don't you take your own advice - if you don't like what you're seeing, just leave quietly without a fuss.
You first, nanner nanner.......... oh dear, I just got in the sandbox and had myself a hissy fit too.......... with this I'm going to bed before I digress into the morass of cynicism.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:43:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Anigava
Originally by: Terianna Eri
If you want to sit around and continue to be milked for your cash, by all means, continue to do so.
In the meantime, I will continue to share my opinions on the direction CCP is going any way I damn well please, and I'd like to see you try to stop me.
Why don't you take your own advice - if you don't like what you're seeing, just leave quietly without a fuss.
You first, nanner nanner.......... oh dear, I just got in the sandbox and had myself a hissy fit too.......... with this I'm going to bed before I digress into the morass of cynicism.
so mad
Go to bed, child.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:44:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Peter XZ
Y R THESE JUVENILES STILL HERE AFTER 4 DAYS OF INCARNA, THEYRE SAYING THEY WANNA QUIT, WELL GET OUT AND GIVE US UR STUFF, INSTEAD OF WHINING FOR LITERALLY DAYS COS UR TOO CHICKEN TO CLICK THE UNSUB BUTTON.
You don't know how cancelling a sub works do you?
And why go away when I can spend my time parley'ing with you. Just don't beg for isk, it's just too embarrasing for you in this situation. |
Falcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:45:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: Falcus Aurelius
X
I also am damn tired of CCP (in childish fits of rage) locking threads, banning long standing eve personalities and defying the very hands that feed them.
Take a look at these pictures, I was mentioning earlier. It's comparable to what is happening on these forums, and equally absurd, irresponsible and destructive.
BAhahahahahaha....hahahahahah...hahahaha...haha...ha...what a tool.
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:46:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Anigava
Originally by: Terianna Eri
If you want to sit around and continue to be milked for your cash, by all means, continue to do so.
In the meantime, I will continue to share my opinions on the direction CCP is going any way I damn well please, and I'd like to see you try to stop me.
Why don't you take your own advice - if you don't like what you're seeing, just leave quietly without a fuss.
You first, nanner nanner.......... oh dear, I just got in the sandbox and had myself a hissy fit too.......... with this I'm going to bed before I digress into the morass of cynicism.
so mad
Go to bed, child.
I'm almost ready for beddy bye thank you............. I'll have sweet dreams of angry teenagers dancing in my head.........
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:50:00 -
[49]
LULz
you tried to pull off "nuf said."
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:51:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
If you want to sit around and continue to be milked for your cash, by all means, continue to do so.
In the meantime, I will continue to share my opinions on the direction CCP is going any way I damn well please, and I'd like to see you try to stop me.
Why don't you take your own advice - if you don't like what you're seeing, just leave quietly without a fuss.
Well said, I like people that stand up for themselves.
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Batalo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:54:00 -
[51]
It is not just the paying for clothes it has been lots of things. Like anger of RMT, Bots, balance issues in the game, the community feeling like they are being ignored, eve being put on the back burner to Dust and walking in stations. The $99 commercial licence. Nerfs to people in 0.0. People are the seeing the direction that eve is heading and they dont like it. I think people just needed a reason to join together and express their dismay and now is the time it seems. Do i think it is kind of silly.....kind of but I have also been unhappy with the way CCP has been taking the game. So now is a good time for my voice to be head
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Anigava
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:58:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ghoest
LULz
you tried to pull off "nuf said."
This is the most insightful comment I've seen yet and I blush with the truth of it........ and I'm still not snuggled in bed either.
'nuf said..... really!
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Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:01:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Bloodpetal
You're scared the protestors are destroying the game?
Been paying attention to what CCP has been saying as of late?
I'd quote AdmiralJohn above you, but you're more interesting. You're not destroying the game; you're destroying the forums. How could I possibly pay attention to what CCP is saying? Every time they make a feedback thread, the lot of you spam the hell out of it, resulting in me having to search through 6400+ posts to find theirs. Not very productive.
Even your fool who was posting links to Dev, Seleene, and player comments gave up because he couldn't be bothered searching for them. I say fool, because he absurdly used his location in the thread to post a bloody commentary of the events, as he saw them.
@AdmiralJohn:
Originally by: "AdmiralJohn"
Yeah let's complain about how everyone complaining is an idiot and/or right wing nutjob! Screw the irony! People should like everything produced and if they don't they should just leave, trying to improve the game is for DUMMIES! LOLOLOLOOLOL
P.S. the superiority complex in here is rather irritating.
Nobody is complaining about the people arguing against CCPs actions with some degree of decency and common sense. The rest of them are acting in essentially the fashion you described. As are you, with that little twist on things there.
You people have no patience. CCP is implementing new code, redesigning the code that EVE runs on, and doing a host of other things to eventually make the game better. They aren't ignoring anything, except, (for the most part), your trashing and trolling on these here forums. You're just to damn blind to see it, and can't look past the immediate changes, (most of which are good), to understand that these things take time.
CCP has responded, and continues to respond, and you don't listen. You, and people like you, are just flaming for the flame. There is no history of logic or reason to your replies. They're just senseless demands for sweeping changes and adjustments to give you everything you want immediately. That is not possible, and never has been.
CCP has a goal, and priorities. The community, and vast majority of the player-base, is completely divided on what they want, and can't seem to agree on anything. Nobody has been able to agree on anything in more than small groups; certainly not as a larger whole.
Regarding non-specifics, like 'Fix POS', or 'Rebalance ships' the vast majority can agree on that simple statement, but on nothing specific about it will you find the same. It is up to CCP alone to balance these changes, and decide what is going to be done. Them, and no one else. Whatever you think. They run EVE, and nothing you do is going to change that.
It's that simple.
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Madjak Burton
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:04:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
If you want to sit around and continue to be milked for your cash, by all means, continue to do so.
In the meantime, I will continue to share my opinions on the direction CCP is going any way I damn well please, and I'd like to see you try to stop me.
Why don't you take your own advice - if you don't like what you're seeing, just leave quietly without a fuss.
I'm missing the part where I'm being milked for cash.
You Barbies need to HTFU.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:07:00 -
[55]
+9001
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Lady Immortal
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:17:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Lady Immortal on 25/06/2011 05:19:50
You ever think people might be in less of a big 'tif if someone didn't put them in that position?
We can agree that the forums is a vocal minority, There is probably people ingame that are completely uninformed in regards to this, That sit on both sides of the fence.
It's a small percentage that actually uses the forum to express their opinion. You can bet that if changes like this actually hit-ingame you'll be one of several hundred still playing.
If you are going to take the time to moan about someone else moaning, You might actually want to clue yourself in to what they are moaning about first.. You may just find you agree with them - whether you wish to be as vocal (or not) as some may be. This is my first post in regard to this and likely to be my last, I'm fairly confident there is MANY more like me that are just as dissatisfied.
edit:: Forgot to mention, People would probably take things a bit more seriously (constructive) and less moaning if they felt there was an actual dialog going on and that they were being heard, When the CEO tells their staff "ignore what the players say about x" and there is little response from CCP in regard to it, It doesn't leave much room to be constructive when the same questions are looming for days without answer by CCP.
While i'm sympathetic, it is hardly unwarranted and should come as no real surprise to anyone.
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Red Oskold
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:18:00 -
[57]
I have concerns about how many of the people who are raging about this actually read the entire newsletter. I read it front to back and now believe the following things:
1. There's nothing in there that is profoundly evil.
2. As long as what ever performance enhancing items they may add are on the market (they say quite explicitly that this is the plan) it will not unbalance the game.
3. Every other MMO is talking about the same stuff behind the scenes or had already enacted it.
How can you be outraged at someone for doing more of what they've already done (ie plex).
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:25:00 -
[58]
Milking customers for cash is what companies do, it is part of their business you know.
But other then that I still have a choice of what I am able to do, I do not have to buy gold-premium ammo and modules to stand a chance in EVE. A monocle, a skirt or a pair of boots are things I can purchase, if I choose to. Otherwise I can ignore it entirely and do whatever I did before in EVE.
I don't feel the need to rage and I think what is going on right now, is indeed more then just a bit immature.
Quote:
Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:26:00 -
[59]
There are too many tears. I'm drowning in them.
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:30:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Lady Immortal
You ever think people might be in less of a big 'tif if someone didn't put them in that position?
We can agree that the forums is a vocal minority, There is probably people ingame that are completely uninformed in regards to this, That sit on both sides of the fence.
It's a small percentage that actually uses the forum to express their opinion. You can bet that if changes like this actually hit-ingame you'll be one of several hundred still playing.
If you are going to take the time to moan about someone else moaning, You might actually want to clue yourself in to what they are moaning about first.. You may just find you agree with them - whether you wish to be as vocal (or not) as some may be. This is my first post in regard to this and likely to be my last, I'm fairly confident there is MANY more like me that are just as dissatisfied.
To be clear...
You believe that the brilliant people who dreamed up this game, coded this game, guided it through years of challenge and massive technology changes, people who have invested their entire lives, their fortunes, even sacrificing their families creating this amazing one-of-a-kind game...
Are blithering idiots who have no idea why people play their game, no knowlege of the gaming industry, no clue what works and what's possible or what they are investing and risking?
Is this what you actually believe? To the people going bat**** crazy it's just a GAME, the the folks at CCP it's their career. They made this game pretty bad ass so far, so relax and let them do their jobs.
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Jade Cargo
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:32:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Madjak Burton
I'm missing the part where I'm being milked for cash.
You Barbies need to HTFU.
This. Seriously, I can understand certain complaints, but why the manic ranting? The only thing I NEED to pay for is my sub. And even that is doable without any real cash. Play -> ISK buys PLEX -> PLEX buys AUR/Gametime. I have everything just by playing the game. Wtf?
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:40:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Jade Cargo
Originally by: Madjak Burton
I'm missing the part where I'm being milked for cash.
You Barbies need to HTFU.
This. Seriously, I can understand certain complaints, but why the manic ranting? The only thing I NEED to pay for is my sub. And even that is doable without any real cash. Play -> ISK buys PLEX -> PLEX buys AUR/Gametime. I have everything just by playing the game. Wtf?
Yeah, and also they're complaining about being able to buy stuff with real life money but you can already buy plex with real life money so what even if it's a little bit of a difference it's still buying **** for real life money so there's nothing to get mad about and besides that what they're mad about didn't even happen yet it only might happen.
And CCP's "attitude". What attitude? They didn't even said anything!
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Lady Immortal
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:43:00 -
[63]
Originally by: OT Smithers
Originally by: Lady Immortal
You ever think people might be in less of a big 'tif if someone didn't put them in that position?
We can agree that the forums is a vocal minority, There is probably people ingame that are completely uninformed in regards to this, That sit on both sides of the fence.
It's a small percentage that actually uses the forum to express their opinion. You can bet that if changes like this actually hit-ingame you'll be one of several hundred still playing.
If you are going to take the time to moan about someone else moaning, You might actually want to clue yourself in to what they are moaning about first.. You may just find you agree with them - whether you wish to be as vocal (or not) as some may be. This is my first post in regard to this and likely to be my last, I'm fairly confident there is MANY more like me that are just as dissatisfied.
To be clear...
You believe that the brilliant people who dreamed up this game, coded this game, guided it through years of challenge and massive technology changes, people who have invested their entire lives, their fortunes, even sacrificing their families creating this amazing one-of-a-kind game...
Are blithering idiots who have no idea why people play their game, no knowlege of the gaming industry, no clue what works and what's possible or what they are investing and risking?
Is this what you actually believe? To the people going bat**** crazy it's just a GAME, the the folks at CCP it's their career. They made this game pretty bad ass so far, so relax and let them do their jobs.
I'll be blunt, It's been done many a times before by MANY other companies (CCR, SOE, Funcom, Cryptic, Codemaster's to name a few) and the route CCP's going suggests non-vanity item cash shop, Which of course if it goes through signifies a pretty clear advantage from one player to the next for whoever is willing to pitch in for cash shop + their subscription.. (Which they have not refuted, yet. And for clarity's sake alot of people would be more then happy to just see CCP say NO we wont do a pay to win cash-shop)
Two years ago if someone asked me if CCP was capable of any of the stuff thats happend recently I would of laughed at them and said no way, Now I can't help but be on the fence, and I cannot imagine how anyone couldn't be.
I've played this game since '04, I genuinely have supported ccp alot including spending alot of money on attending fanfests in the past and am genuinely concerned about their direction, for quite good reason(s) they given us over the past few weeks.
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Rockstar from Mars
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:49:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Originally by: Jade Cargo
Originally by: Madjak Burton
I'm missing the part where I'm being milked for cash.
You Barbies need to HTFU.
This. Seriously, I can understand certain complaints, but why the manic ranting? The only thing I NEED to pay for is my sub. And even that is doable without any real cash. Play -> ISK buys PLEX -> PLEX buys AUR/Gametime. I have everything just by playing the game. Wtf?
Yeah, and also they're complaining about being able to buy stuff with real life money but you can already buy plex with real life money so what even if it's a little bit of a difference it's still buying **** for real life money so there's nothing to get mad about and besides that what they're mad about didn't even happen yet it only might happen.
And CCP's "attitude". What attitude? They didn't even said anything!
Actually the argument is primarily about performance enhancing goods rather than monocles and crap. And their attitude is to not reply to real concerns of a player base who as stuck with them up till now.
Also, for everyone saying that people should man up and click the unsub button, protip for you. When you unsub it takes until your account time runs out for you to be locked on the forums.
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Habaticus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:54:00 -
[65]
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
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George Wilkes Hill
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:55:00 -
[66]
I like juvenile tantrums about juvenile tantrums!!! WHERE DO I SIGN UP?!
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Khamelean
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:00:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Rockstar from Mars
Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Originally by: Jade Cargo
Originally by: Madjak Burton
I'm missing the part where I'm being milked for cash.
You Barbies need to HTFU.
This. Seriously, I can understand certain complaints, but why the manic ranting? The only thing I NEED to pay for is my sub. And even that is doable without any real cash. Play -> ISK buys PLEX -> PLEX buys AUR/Gametime. I have everything just by playing the game. Wtf?
Yeah, and also they're complaining about being able to buy stuff with real life money but you can already buy plex with real life money so what even if it's a little bit of a difference it's still buying **** for real life money so there's nothing to get mad about and besides that what they're mad about didn't even happen yet it only might happen.
And CCP's "attitude". What attitude? They didn't even said anything!
Actually the argument is primarily about performance enhancing goods rather than monocles and crap. And their attitude is to not reply to real concerns of a player base who as stuck with them up till now.
Also, for everyone saying that people should man up and click the unsub button, protip for you. When you unsub it takes until your account time runs out for you to be locked on the forums.
Quote:
Virtual goods sales in EVE Online will evolve through sales of vanity items, first in Incarna but later in-space features. The scope will be (and thereæs no design has been done around this, weære just talking strategy now) that anything that doesnæt affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means. Ideas that have come up include Incarna clothing and furniture, logos on spaceships and swapping out portraits. This is by no means a comprehensive list, nor is it a commitment that said items will be available for sale, I mention these as an example for what type of items weære thinking about.
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They've made their position very clear.
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X'aron
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:00:00 -
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im not giving up on ccp/eve just yet. i still enjoy the sim and ...well im not so serious about things. Hell i came up with rather creative ways of being podded lately. for me its entertainment. IM not wanting to shell out 60 for an eye thingamajig that does nothing but look fancy. That ranks up there with running around while carrying a plex in my cargo hold. I know apparently the aur items dont disappear on you well, im not spending a plex to find out. Least not yet.
now you give me a sidearm, some old ww2 googlies, a near b17 flight jacket...hell who knows hahaha.
but some people are serious, like in this vid. Its jita on the 24th, when i logged in and ...went to see what the fuss was about. Sorry for the quality.
Jita june 24
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Rockstar from Mars
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:40:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Khamelean
They've made their position very clear.
Except they haven't. Every time they've been pressed for a conformation they say they can't answer the question, and that is fine since obviously CCP fallout isn't the one who makes those kinds of decisions.
What I think would go a long way to mending this ****storm would to have Hilmar come out saying that they do not want to put in performance enhancing items in the MT store. And that CCP DOES care about what the player base's opinion is. Instead of that we get CCP Zulu talking about everything that doesn't matter (CQ and the price of monocles) and nothing that does and none of the REAL issues. And then Hilmar telling CCP in an internal email that basically says that it will blow over and that everyone should stay the course.
I don't think we ask for much, just a little consideration.
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Maddi5on
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:42:00 -
[70]
Incarna: how to obtain your free mono... |
Anigava
Gallente
Misanthropic Ventures
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:13:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Habaticus
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
I actually agree with much of the sentiment of Tippia in this article. Let me rephrase that: I actually agree with much of the sentiment of Tippia in this article......... to those who have posted their opposition eloquently and maturely, I tip my proverbial hat.
To those of you acting like petulant schoolchildren feel free to actually LEAVE. Don't just unsubscribe "some" accounts and whine in the forums. By leaving you actually stop playing the game in it's entirety, which includes posting on these very forums. That is how Capitalism works. If Eve Online begins a trajectory to insolvency then you've achieved you ultimate goal by protesting.
Let me reiterate:
1. I agree with much of the concern the player base has and I think CCP has done a horrible job in damage control.
2. I applaud those of you ACTUALLY working for a remedy to your grievances in a cohesive and mature fashion.
3. The way to remedy this in NOT by acting like a bunch of recalcitrant teenagers (that many may indeed be).
4. Those of you incapable of adult interaction should leave the game (and by posting here you ultimately have not).
Sincerely,
Anigava
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:23:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Anigava
Originally by: Habaticus
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
I actually agree with much of the sentiment of Tippia in this article. Let me rephrase that: I actually agree with much of the sentiment of Tippia in this article......... to those who have posted their opposition eloquently and maturely, I tip my proverbial hat.
To those of you acting like petulant schoolchildren feel free to actually LEAVE. Don't just unsubscribe "some" accounts and whine in the forums. By leaving you actually stop playing the game in it's entirety, which includes posting on these very forums. That is how Capitalism works. If Eve Online begins a trajectory to insolvency then you've achieved you ultimate goal by protesting.
Let me reiterate:
1. I agree with much of the concern the player base has and I think CCP has done a horrible job in damage control.
2. I applaud those of you ACTUALLY working for a remedy to your grievances in a cohesive and mature fashion.
3. The way to remedy this in NOT by acting like a bunch of recalcitrant teenagers (that many may indeed be).
4. Those of you incapable of adult interaction should leave the game (and by posting here you ultimately have not).
Sincerely,
Anigava
Anigava, I like the cut of your jib.
And I dig Gallente babes as well.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:48:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Anigava
Originally by: Habaticus
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
I actually agree with much of the sentiment of Tippia in this article. Let me rephrase that: I actually agree with much of the sentiment of Tippia in this article......... to those who have posted their opposition eloquently and maturely, I tip my proverbial hat.
To those of you acting like petulant schoolchildren feel free to actually LEAVE. Don't just unsubscribe "some" accounts and whine in the forums. By leaving you actually stop playing the game in it's entirety, which includes posting on these very forums. That is how Capitalism works. If Eve Online begins a trajectory to insolvency then you've achieved you ultimate goal by protesting.
Let me reiterate:
1. I agree with much of the concern the player base has and I think CCP has done a horrible job in damage control.
2. I applaud those of you ACTUALLY working for a remedy to your grievances in a cohesive and mature fashion.
3. The way to remedy this in NOT by acting like a bunch of recalcitrant teenagers (that many may indeed be).
4. Those of you incapable of adult interaction should leave the game (and by posting here you ultimately have not).
Sincerely,
Anigava
I think you are ignoring the fact that the protests you are complaining about are a result of the failure of CCP to address the reasoned eloquent and mature requests.
The protests you complain about didn't start until after CCP took close to 24 hours to issue a response to their own request for Parley and then came out with that condescending bit of crap that CCP Zulu put up on his blog.
Frankly it's friggin insulting. Geeze it took them 24 hours to come up with that bit of unprofessional in-eloquent garbage?
That's where the anger really came in. CCP could have easily came out when all this started and answered the basic question. They could have said no we do not plan on releasing performance enhancing items that affect the spaceship side of EVE Online, any performance enhancing items will be limited to Dust or the Incarna portion of EVE, or Yeah we're going to move to MT for performance enhancing items sub or leave as you will this is where we are going.
Instead we get more nonsense, including the internal email from Himlar basically telling the company that we're bluffing. Hell I didn't decide for sure to unsub until I read that Email and you know what I put on my reason for leaving? "Tell Hilmar that this is what I'm going to do".
CCP brought this on themselves through their own incompetence, greed and arrogance. You have people who have spent literally years of their lives and thousands of dollars of their money making this game a success people who have spent their own time and used their own technical skills to make this game what it is today and CCP essentially told them to "**** off". and you are surprised that people are ****ed?
You are as out of touch with reality as Hilmar is.
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