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Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:52:00 - [1] Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07 Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention. 1. Incarna Launches riddled with hardware performance issues for some as well as exorbitantly priced Clothing/accessory. 2. People rage about prices, and performance. 3. Internal CCP newsletter leaks that strongly suggest non-vanity MT coming to eve. 4. People rage about leaked PDF. 5. CCP Pann makes a thread apologizing for not responding earlier and puts forward that our chief complaint is the prices, which is no longer the case following the leaked PDF. 6. People overwhelmingly flood CCP Pann's thread with the question of whether non-vanity MT will be coming to eve. All CCP say on the point is they cannot answer. 7. In-game protests start aimed at disrupting the trade hubs and spreading word about their concerns. 8. A out-of-character devblog with a by-line of CCP Zulu is posted. The devblog only addressed the PDF in saying that is not a verbatim indication of their plans but is more a discussion. The dev-blog also addresses the prices of the current items, but nothing about the concern of future MT items. 9. Protests/forum rage continues. 10. An eve-radio show with several CSM members(current & past) goes through the issue. CSM members state the the CCP Zulu devblog is out of character and that they have been stonewalled as far as all the recent controversy has been concerned. 11. During the radio show the e-mail of hillmar's is released, which quickly ends any contemplation to CCP's intentions and stance. 12. YOU ARE HERE. __________
Boxless	Posted - 2011.06.25 05:58:00 - [2] Informative.
Black Dranzer Caldari	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:00:00 - [3] Good info. _____ This is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change.
dkbjitawhore	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:04:00 - [4] Thanks for this post.
Hayaku Codolle	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07 Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention. 12. YOU ARE HERE. 13. DEV's in Iceland wake up and smell the ashes... SOONÖ
Nikita Alterana Risen Angels	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:06:00 - [6] yeah, very useful. Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
Acerba Agikor Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:06:00 - [7] You forgot one 13. Subscription cancellations -------------------------------------------------- You can conceal sadism in technical language or flowery words, but it's still just as fun to watch.
Lugaedh	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:06:00 - [8] Make it sticky. +1
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:10:00 - [9] Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23 13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by refunding all AU to people who have purchased a monocle and gift one to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP. /wakes up
Reed Tiburon Caldari Future Corps Sleeper Social Club	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:14:00 - [10] We've been insulted every step of the way. I plan on **poasting till my subs lapse in August. It's been grand, guys. CCP, ** you very much. --- R.I.P. EVE ONLINE [img]ht

Sgt Maru Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:18:00 - [11] Edited by: Sgt Maru on 25/06/2011 06:18:36 Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23 13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by refunding all AU to people who have purchased a monocle and gift one to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP. /wakes up If only that really happened boss...
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Sgt Maru Edited by: Sgt Maru on 25/06/2011 06:18:36 Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23 13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by refunding all AU to people who have purchased a monocle and gift one to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP. /wakes up If only that really happened boss... If they did it. It'd put out the fire.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:23:00 - [13] bump __________
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:25:00 - [14] Originally by: Sgt Maru Edited by: Sgt Maru on 25/06/2011 06:18:36 Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23 13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by refunding all AU to people who have purchased a monocle and gift one to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP. /wakes up If only that really happened boss... They can't do it as their business model now seems to depend upon MTs.
Joccob	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:25:00 - [15] and bring back spinning ships!!!
Zagdul Gallente Shadowed Command Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:28:00 - [16] the important part is an apology. they've lost touch so much with us. the disconnect is what is killing this game and the arrogance from the top at CCP is what will be the downfall of it's success. if they wait too long for an apology, they'll permanently lose the faith of the loyal and optimistic. I for one am optimistic and hope doods at the top realize that the game they once loved is about to lose it's most important asset... it's fans.
Amara Godfrey	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:33:00 - [17] TY for the post.
Starkiller Adams Gallente Interwebs Cooter Explosion Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:37:00 - [18] 0-CCP slowly begins doing things against the wishes of the community
vasuul	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:39:00 - [19] If ccp would answer this one question all the rage and protests would end WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO "SAY IT AINT SO JOE " Seriously CCP its all we are asking for is one answer
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:39:00 - [20] CCP HELMAR: Quote: Currently we are seeing _very predictable feedback_ on what we are doing. Having the perspective of having done this for a decade, I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. Innovation takes time to set in and the predictable reaction is always to resist change. THANKS, HELMAR. GONNA SUSPEND MY SUBSCRIPTION.

Zeb DaMadMiner	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:42:00 - [21] Yep, at least for once they wont have to worry about the servers overloading. But instead actually being able to pay the bills. But out of all that I read, nothing mattered or that's got me ticked or was it even mentioned why. What was that nobody's seem to realize. Numerous people are getting PERMABANNED for 'threatenning a member of ccp' when they are only complaining, including the followers of the specific person. CCP's lost complete sense of reality. - well.. that one's been around forever. But they started to ignore there own CSM's/people that actually connect the company to the players. That everything added so far, apart from the turrets is exactly what we said not to add - that other matters are needed more attending to than these.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 06:56:00 - [22] bump __________
Nepcrosia	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:09:00 - [23] very good summary, and I'm surprised at the lack of bias in any of the bullets. I wouldn't have been able to do it. my last point would have been " hillmar ****s over any possible belief that ccp still cares for its fanbase"
Rho1 Incarna Protest	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:13:00 - [24] Selling advantages in a game means you give us a choice to either pay up to be competitive, or suck it up and under-perform, because we did not pay you for the advantage others paid for. Accept the single fact, that most people, most your playerbase, do not like games that do that. They rather play games where your in-game power grows with time and effort. That is going to make a lot of people to quit eve online. Now, this is where your problems start. Without those people some things will start to get a bit complicated in eve. Market wont be as alive as it is now. Politics will slowly die out. Your community will become a shadow of it's own self. That is going to decrease atractiveness of eve, and it will be harder for you to gain new players. Next year around this time you will be wondering what to do to get people to play eve online, WoD will be still unfinished, and dusk514 will be fiasco, as there is no much dust-eve interaction without eve beeing a thriving world of intrigue and (wait for it) COMPETITION. Reviews of your company at glassdoor.com show that you do not like to listen to criticism, so I guess you need to experience the downfall to learn that you made a bad choice. This is sad, as we liked the game of internet spaceships.
R2 D3 The Executives Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:17:00 - [25] This should be stickied so all persons who are going to the forum and wondering "why does general discussion has so much community wide rage threads" gets his answer. (Even for CCP that's a good situation that way they actually can see what is going on)
Dren Nas	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07 Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention. 1. Incarna Launches riddled with hardware performance issues for some as well as exorbitantly priced Clothing/accessory. 2. People rage about prices, and performance. 3. Internal CCP newsletter leaks that strongly suggest non-vanity MT coming to eve. 4. People rage about leaked PDF. 5. CCP Pann makes a thread apologizing for not responding earlier and puts forward that our chief complaint is the prices, which is no longer the case following the leaked PDF. 6. People overwhelmingly flood CCP Pann's thread with the question of whether non-vanity MT will be coming to eve. All CCP say on the point is they cannot answer. 7. In-game protests start aimed at disrupting the trade hubs and spreading word about their concerns. 8. A out-of-character devblog with a by-line of CCP Zulu is posted. The devblog only addressed the PDF in saying that is not a verbatim indication of their plans but is more a discussion. The dev-blog also addresses the prices of the current items, but nothing about the concern of future MT items. 9. Protests/forum rage continues. 10. An eve-radio show with several CSM members(current & past) goes through the issue. CSM members state the the CCP Zulu devblog is out of character and that they have been stonewalled as far as all the recent controversy has been concerned. 11. During the radio show the e-mail of hillmar's is released, which quickly ends any contemplation to CCP's intentions and stance. 12. YOU ARE HERE. TY for compiling this. Good job. http://hosted.corelicorp.net/ceo.png
Teebee XERCORE Indecisive Certainty	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:27:00 - [27] I bookmarked this. Also I have never posted so much!
Vasha Rin	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:33:00 - [28] Very clear, concise summary of the situation. I agree with the timeline.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Vasha Rin Very clear, concise summary of the situation. I agree with the timeline. Yeah I realize not all of EVE players keep themselves in the know to every details that unfolds, this should help. __________
Vin Hellsing	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:48:00 - [30] Quick and concise. Useful.

Ryker Struvian	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:50:00 - [31] Edited by: Ryker Struvian on 25/06/2011 07:52:05 Edited by: Ryker Struvian on 25/06/2011 07:50:54 For some reason the events reminded me of this little number. A sequence from the film "They Live" :) Wake up.
R2 D3 The Executives Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:52:00 - [32] Iamien? Maybe worthwile to add as a 0 eve promises to keep such microtransactions out of eve
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 07:55:00 - [33] Originally by: R2 D3 Iamien? Maybe worthwile to add as a 0 eve promises to keep such microtransactions out of eve Eh, I tried to keep it concise and un-biased. While that is true point 11 kind of makes that null and void as all it does is harm the credibility of the promiser who was probably speaking genuinely at the time. __________
Quacka Minmatar Dark Tree Industries	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:00:00 - [34] Not bad. I think that does a decent job of explaining current events.
Carmine Lady Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:03:00 - [35] Originally by: Reed Tiburon We've been insulted every step of the way. I plan on **poasting till my subs lapse in August. It's been grand, guys. CCP, you very much. I also plan on **posting til the end of days of my account. then I will either biomass or just forget eve. (but not really because Ill always remember the 4 years I spent playing :() ------ FREE HELICITY and the rest
Isorath	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:12:00 - [36] Links to each part might be helpful, like a link to the leaked PDF, the CEO letter and whatnot
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Isorath Links to each part might be helpful, like a link to the leaked PDF, the CEO letter and whatnot If people want to find the stuff it is easy enough. Others have been banned for linking and I want to stick around long enough to donate my assets to plex for good. __________
dkbjitawhore	Posted - 2011.06.25 08:22:00 - [38] Final bump from me, I need some sleep.
dkbjitawhore	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:45:00 - [39] im back
Alexis Sachs	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Iamien 12. YOU ARE HERE. Been here at every step. Christ I feel like a forum pro now after having been a lurker in obscurity.

Chandler Urandom Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:53:00 - [41] Anywhere to download said radio show? I missed it live.
leth ghost	Posted - 2011.06.25 13:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07 Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention. 1. Incarna Launches riddled with hardware performance issues for some as well as exorbitantly priced Clothing/accessory. 2. People rage about prices, and performance. 3. Internal CCP newsletter leaks that strongly suggest non-vanity MT coming to eve. 4. People rage about leaked PDF. 5. CCP Pann makes a thread apologizing for not responding earlier and puts forward that our chief complaint is the prices, which is no longer the case following the leaked PDF. 6. People overwhelmingly flood CCP Pann's thread with the question of whether non-vanity MT will be coming to eve. All CCP say on the point is they cannot answer. 7. In-game protests start aimed at disrupting the trade hubs and spreading word about their concerns. 8. A out-of-character devblog with a by-line of CCP Zulu is posted. The devblog only addressed the PDF in saying that is not a verbatim indication of their plans but is more a discussion. The dev-blog also addresses the prices of the current items, but nothing about the concern of future MT items. 9. Protests/forum rage continues. 10. An eve-radio show with several CSM members(current & past) goes through the issue. CSM members state the the CCP Zulu devblog is out of character and that they have been stonewalled as far as all the recent controversy has been concerned. 11. During the radio show the e-mail of hillmar's is released, which quickly ends any contemplation to CCP's intentions and stance. 12. YOU ARE HERE. a **ing mehn now people might stop asking that question in big yellow letters because the answer is YES**
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.25 18:16:00 - [43] Bumped up from page 12... it is a very good summary. CCP Helmar: "this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say". Me: UNSUBBING NOW
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2011.06.25 18:18:00 - [44] 13. Sub canceled. 14. Perpetuum downloaded 15. We'll see how Perpetuum is before deciding what mmo to play now.
SNeAkYbRiT Gunslingers Corp	Posted - 2011.06.25 18:22:00 - [45] Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07 Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention. 1. Incarna Launches riddled with hardware performance issues for some as well as exorbitantly priced Clothing/accessory. 2. People rage about prices, and performance. 3. Internal CCP newsletter leaks that strongly suggest non-vanity MT coming to eve. 4. People rage about leaked PDF. 5. CCP Pann makes a thread apologizing for not responding earlier and puts forward that our chief complaint is the prices, which is no longer the case following the leaked PDF. 6. People overwhelmingly flood CCP Pann's thread with the question of whether non-vanity MT will be coming to eve. All CCP say on the point is they cannot answer. 7. In-game protests start aimed at disrupting the trade hubs and spreading word about their concerns. 8. A out-of-character devblog with a by-line of CCP Zulu is posted. The devblog only addressed the PDF in saying that is not a verbatim indication of their plans but is more a discussion. The dev-blog also addresses the prices of the current items, but nothing about the concern of future MT items. 9. Protests/forum rage continues. 10. An eve-radio show with several CSM members(current & past) goes through the issue. CSM members state the the CCP Zulu devblog is out of character and that they have been stonewalled as far as all the recent controversy has been concerned. 11. During the radio show the e-mail of hillmar's is released, which quickly ends any contemplation to CCP's intentions and stance. 12. YOU ARE HERE. You should of included pictures, Ive noticed the written word is hard for some to understand.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 20:58:00 - [46] BUMPIFICATION __________
Ganjjabeard	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:07:00 - [47] Everyone stfu cuz you all know you run home at the end of your long hard day to play Internet spaceships lol.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:10:00 - [48] Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 22:09:53 Originally by: Ganjjabeard Everyone stfu cuz you all know you run home at the end of your long hard day to play Internet spaceships lol. I will, but only because I purchased Internet Pirates and Zombies. __________
Lahha Caldari Lahha Kata	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:10:00 - [49] Edited by: Lahha on 25/06/2011 22:14:42 http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html E: Seems to be down atm. _____
Brak Ugon	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:21:00 - [50] Bump!!

Elldranga	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:28:00 - [51] Thanks for your uninformed post. You realize the rage began at a channel BEFORE the newsletter leaked? How's about you actually know what's going on before you start trying to tell people what's going on.
Patri Andari Caldari Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:31:00 - [52] Nice work, but you left out the part where they banned Liang. That part is not only important it ****es me off. That's hard to do. Patri I'll Roshambo You For That Titan!
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Elldranga Thanks for your uninformed post. You realize the rage began at a channel BEFORE the newsletter leaked? How's about you actually know what's going on before you start trying to tell people what's going on. See point 2. __________
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 25/06/2011 05:55:07 Not including links as I don't want to give reason for this thread's closure, please honor this intention. 1. CSM5 and CCP Developers meet to discuss the implementation of Micro-Transactions. CCP Confirm they are not planning to do non-vanity microtransactions 2. Incarna Launches riddled with hardware performance issues for some as well as exorbitantly priced Clothing/accessory. 3. People rage about prices, and performance. 4. Internal CCP newsletter leaks that strongly suggest non-vanity MT coming to eve. 5. People rage about leaked PDF. 6. CCP Pann makes a thread apologizing for not responding earlier and puts forward that our chief complaint is the prices, which is no longer the case following the leaked PDF. 7. People overwhelmingly flood CCP Pann's thread with the question of whether non-vanity MT will be coming to eve. All CCP say on the point is they cannot answer. 8. In-game protests start aimed at disrupting the trade hubs and spreading word about their concerns. 9. A out-of-character devblog with a by-line of CCP Zulu is posted. The devblog only addressed the PDF in saying that is not a verbatim indication of their plans but is more a discussion. The dev-blog also addresses the prices of the current items, but nothing about the concern of future MT items. 10. Protests/forum rage continues. 11. An eve-radio show with several CSM members(current & past) goes through the issue. CSM members state the the CCP Zulu devblog is out of character and that they have been stonewalled as far as all the recent controversy has been concerned. 12. During the radio show the e-mail of hillmar's is released, which quickly ends any contemplation to CCP's intentions and stance. 13. YOU ARE HERE. Inserted the bit you missed.
Elldranga	Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Iamien Originally by: Elldranga Thanks for your uninformed post. You realize the rage began at a channel BEFORE the newsletter leaked? How's about you actually know what's going on before you start trying to tell people what's going on. See point 2. Um... no Yes there was unrest circulating as you mention in point 2. There was also a specific chat where CCP comments were posted that generated a lot more ire than what you refer to in point 2. The foolhardy thread is what I'm saying you've missed. you realize there's more to the story than that? Point 2 had nothing to do with what I was referring to. Also... most of the rage you refer to in point number 2 was not about prices. It's microtransactions at all as a game influencer vs vanity only vs no MT. It's not just about specific price points. Also, as others have posted... you've missed SO much context. How about the bannings of characters like liang/helcity/etc... some of them raged more than others... how about the context behind that rage? How about the statements that there would be no mictrotransactions by CCP, and then the statements that there would be MT's for vanity only. For example when CCP stated, "don't worry... our business model isn't going to change" or words to that effect. How about the CSM who sold everything because of the microtransaction issue about a year ago? A major element of the current rage is solidly based around CCP's assurances that microtransactions would not be in the future for eve. We've been lied to big time by CCP. THAT is why there's current rage... not because monocles are expensive.
Cancel Align NOW	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:14:00 - [56] Messenger is trying to do a good job. Largely he is correct, but defining what is important and what is minor (banning of specific players- yes Laing is important - is my alt?) is a grey area that can be time consuming and bog down progress. What I am saying is; keep the rage directed at the people/company that deserves it.
52 MonocIes 52 Monocles	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:16:00 - [57] So, did we survive saturday without any new input? They count on it to cool down during weekend? Think again, CCP, think again. [justify][b]I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be
P42ALPHA Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:20:00 - [58] Is there a recording of this csm panel. I missed it:(
52 MonocIes 52 Monocles	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:23:00 - [59] Originally by: P42ALPHA Is there a recording of this csm panel. I missed it:( I believe you can find it on eve-radio website. -- I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Threadnaughts on fire off the shoulder of Orion...
Jak Silverheart Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:30:00 - [60] Very nice and quick overview for those who are wondering whats going on. Incarna, giving pilots a single room bachelor pad with a mirror and no beer since 6.21.2011

Oko70 Caldari Aeacos	Posted - 2011.06.25 23:43:00 - [61] My "Rage" as people are calling it is not the information or details that are coming out, although making me unhappy, doesn't put me to rage... it is the lack of answers and seeming condemnation of there playerbase as cash-cows to be milk almost dry but not quite. Give me straight answers and don't talk down to me like a 5yr old. I am an adult and can take bad news, and if I don't find it acceptable I will take my money and leave. It is your choice, I don't really care what you do it is your company and money. I just want to know some answers so I know whether or not your get MY time and money. Fair exchange we both risk the same, my business, I know it is unimportant to you and i cannot change your mind if i don't like the direction and i'm not going to try. I just need to know so i know if i am staying or not. No big deal, you either have my business or you don't... So stop dancing around being elusive and state the direction of Eve. You have no problem being all in faces when you have big announcements and such. Why can't you tell us the plan for Eve? According to all the leaks and such it is obvious that Eve is changing drastically very quickly kinda like SWG did back in the day, I left there because i didn't like the changes. Sorry for the rant but long day and it seems this post ended up being my venting. More to say but i could literally go on for pages, already wrote a 5page word doc to email CCP when i can finally finish it off.
Boxless	Posted - 2011.06.26 00:56:00 - [62] bump
Jak Silverheart Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.26 02:21:00 - [63] This deserves to be kept on the first page of the general forum. Incarna, giving pilots a single room bachelor pad with a mirror and no beer since 6.21.2011
Seraph IX Basarab Gallente Haita de lupi ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.06.26 02:28:00 - [64] "3. Internal CCP newsletter leaks that strongly suggest non-vanity MT coming to eve." Single biggest problem I see. If people want to shell out big cash for some stupid shirt and eye wear that's their problem. But if CCP makes it so that people will have a game advantage only and only based on the money they play, that's pretty lame. Stop messing around with this non sense and please do something like fixing hybrids. ninjasmokebomb "Mors certa, hora incerta."
Zeerover Wolfsbrigade	Posted - 2011.06.26 02:33:00 - [65] Useful and informative post, will link it when answering the myriad of questions I'm getting on the subject. As for the rage in EVE atm, it's my view that it's not directed that the MT option as such, but rather a critical mass of players losing faith in CCP's ability to deliver a game that's worthwhile. You cannot create a sandbox gaming experience, market it as a sandbox experience for years and then suddenly go "hey gold ammo is needed here". Some decisive action in the next week might bring that back from NGE territory, but if they keep at the $1000 pants and similar spin, they've managed to kill off the great loyal following that is the EVE-playerbase.
Door Spoon Envelope	Posted - 2011.06.26 02:53:00 - [66] It would be worth adding that the tone of the devblog was mildly insulting. Further, the tone of Hilmar's email was essentially a giant F-U to paying customers... as indicated by choice quotes explicitly stating the player rage was anticipated, and that player opinion will be ignored. At first it was normal 'bad expansion' rage... The leaked fearless newsletter turned it into a 'CCP lied to us issue'... The devblog was mildly insulting and added fuel to the fire... The Hillmar email made this CCP's NGE.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers	Posted - 2011.06.26 08:21:00 - [67] bump __________
dkbjitawhore	Posted - 2011.06.26 18:24:00 - [68] Thanks for this post.
Pee Wee Herman	Posted - 2011.06.26 18:31:00 - [69] Originally by: Zagdul Edited by: Zagdul on 25/06/2011 06:11:23 13. CCP puts out a new Dev Blog stating that MT items will only ever be vanity. They further apologize to the EVE community and attempt to win our hearts by releasing a patch that includes every issue brought up in the 1000 papercut thread and giving a monocle gift to everyone with an active account. This action saves EVE and everyone re-subs their alts with renewed faith in CCP. /wakes up Fixed
vasuul	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:09:00 - [70] some of the bad publicity ccp has garnered by stonewalling its customers .. HA hows this for wait em out btw ccp enjoy your monocle sales i hope they make up for your lost customers which are up to 5000 and growing including my 7 accounts and i have been loyal since 2007 http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-controversy-erupts-in-protests/ http://n4g.com/news/793980/eve-online-players-protest-against-microtransactions-and-monocles-lasers-involved/com http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/319384/page/1 http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/eve-online-in-game-protest/503801/?page=last http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqRgX1g0aeQ& http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/06/25/1847248/emEVE-Onlineem-Players-Rage-Protest-Over-Microtransactions http://www.blogbookmark.com/story.php?title=eve-online-players-rage-protest-over-microtransactions http://mmodata.blogspot.com/2011/06/riots-in-eve-against-microtransactions.html http://muscatoxblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/eve-online-protests-continue-over.html http://www.pcgamer.com/?p=58382 http://games.on.net/article/12887/EVE_Online_Users_In_Protest_Over_Third_Party_Development_Fees http://beefjack.com/news/eve-online-players-riot-in-game-against-microtransactions/ http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1087505 http://segmentnext.com/2011/06/25/eve-online-new-changes-lead-to-riots-and-fan-rage/?amp& http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/ http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/24/ccp-addresses-eve-controversies-in-new-dev-blog/ http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387588,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121 AUR is extortion say no to aur isk is good rl greed sucks, and again we ask WILL CCP START SELLING NON VANITY ITEMS ON NEX(SUCH AS FACTION ITEMS, STANDINGS AND OTHER CHARACTER ADVANCEMENTS)? YES OR NO "SAY IT AINT SO JOE " answer us please I hope you don't fill our sandbox with concrete Seriously we are passionate cause we love this game and would hate to see it die if you need more cash raise subs a few dollars and in turn give us some new missions im sure no one would complain if you were honest and said ,look our production costs are going up and we need to generate a bit more revenue as such rates for playing are going to 19.95 and the AUR well it was a bad idea we will just seed these non vanity items on the market or put em in the lp store

DickbeardThePirate Gallente Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.27 07:42:00 - [71] Can anyone link me to a recording or whatever of that eve radio CSM talk thing mentioned in OP's post?


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