Originally by: Felo Maxun

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Implants, clothes , in fact anything on your "person" should be destroyed or at least chance dropped when you get podded.

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Originally by: Felo Maxun

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Implants, clothes , in fact anything on your "person" should be destroyed or at least chance dropped when you get podded.

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Originally by: Bad Harlequin

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Originally by: Felo Maxun

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Implants, clothes , in fact anything on your "person" should be destroyed or at least chance dropped when you get podded.

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This is the far better option. You should spawn in the Medical Facility on your clone's station buck-naked, and have to buy new clothes .

In fact I like the drop idea even more... collecting corpses is so 2005; I'm wearing that sucka's boots.

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Originally by: Bad Harlequin

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Originally by: Felo Maxun

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Implants, clothes , in fact anything on your "person" should be destroyed or at least chance dropped when you get podded.

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This is the far better option. You should spawn in the Medical Facility on your clone's station buck-naked, and have to buy new clothes .

In fact I like the drop idea even more... collecting corpses is so 2005; I'm wearing that sucka's boots.

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Originally by: Nariya Kentaya

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Originally by: Bad Harlequin

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Originally by: Felo Maxun

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Implants, clothes , in fact anything on your "person" should be destroyed or at least chance dropped when you get podded.

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This is the far better option. You should spawn in the Medical Facility on your clone's station buck-naked, and have to buy new clothes .

In fact I like the drop idea even more... collecting corpses is so 2005; I'm wearing that sucka's boots.

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big thing, YOU DONT WEAR CLOTHES IN A POD, though the monocle is CYBERNETIC so short of freakin rippin out your eye before entering your pod, i dont see how you can logically say a monocle survives being podded to be transferred to the new clone.

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Originally by: Nariya Kentaya

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big thing, YOU DONT WEAR CLOTHES IN A POD, though the monocle is CYBERNETIC so short of freakin rippin out your eye before entering your pod, i dont see how you can logically say a monocle survives being podded to be transferred to the new clone.

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Originally by: Lykouleon

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Originally by: Nariya Kentaya

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big thing, YOU DONT WEAR CLOTHES IN A POD, though the monocle is CYBERNETIC so short of freakin rippin out your eye before entering your pod, i dont see how you can logically say a monocle survives being podded to be transferred to the new clone.

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Please share what you're smoking, cuz last I checked you only wear a monocle, not replace an eyeball with it.

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Originally by: CCP Zulu

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Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.

Originally by: Khamelean

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Benefits must come with increased risk.

Monocles bring no benefits therefore should have no additional risk.

Not supported.

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Originally by: E man Industries

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Originally by: Khamelean

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Benefits must come with increased risk.

Monocles bring no benefits therefore should have no additional risk.

Not supported.

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Worth repeating..

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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I like the idea of completely removing podding. I say podding is one of the greatest hindrances for people to go PvP. You can talk about risk aversion, jumpclones, carebearing, etc, until you see blue in the face, but the simple reality remains this: nobody takes their billion-isk implants set to PvP; and nobody wants to clone jump to a lower-learning clone for just that few hours PvP op. Either removing podding altogether, or make it so your implants don't get destroyed upon podding (the latter, immersion-wise, is harder to swallow).

Simply not being able to target a pod would therefore be best (and have them be impervious to AoE dmg); and then remove local + overview from the pod pilot, so there's no advantages to be had for the pod pilot.

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Originally by: CCP Zulu

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Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.

Originally by: Mag's

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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I like the idea of completely removing podding. I say podding is one of the greatest hindrances for people to go PvP. You can talk about risk aversion, jumpclones, carebearing, etc, until you see blue in the face, but the simple reality remains this: nobody takes their billion-isk implants set to PvP; and nobody wants to clone jump to a lower-learning clone for just that few hours PvP op. Either removing podding altogether, or make it so your implants don't get destroyed upon podding (the latter, immersion-wise, is harder to swallow).

Simply not being able to target a pod would therefore be best (and have them be impervious to AoE dmg); and then remove local + overview from the pod pilot, so there's no advantages to be had for the pod pilot.

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Just because you don't use expensive implants or maybe can't even afford to use them in PvP, doesn't mean that others don't on a regular basis.

Podding is great fun and the icing on the cake, so to speak and can be mostly avoided in empire.

Oh and it's until you're blue in the face.

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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LOL. "Until you see blue in the face" is perfectly legit idiom. 'ARE' merely expresses the state of being (as seen from the one getting blue), whereas 'SEE' represents the perspective (as seen by the observer; 'until you're SHOWING to BE blue in the face,' basically). Anyway, totally offtopic; and yours wasn't even a correct correction (the worst kind: like people trying to correct you on your 'grammer' when they mean 'grammar').

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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As for podding, you seem to be missing the mark there, too. Naturally people who can afford to lose billion ISK implant sets on a regular basis won't be dissuaded from PvP-ing. Duh. I was, however, talking about people who don't currently PvP, because they can't afford to lose those expensive implant sets. If CCP wants to encourage the latter to PvP, not destroying their implants would be go a long way towards pulling them over the line.

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Originally by: CCP Zulu

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Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.

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and nobody wants to clone jump to a lower-learning clone for just that few hours PvP op.

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Originally by: Diablo Ex

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Not-Supported...

From the gathering of hundreds of units of Bio-mass over the years, I have found not one shred of evidence that a capsuleer has ever worn a stitch of clothing while in a pod. I suspect that the pod goo alone would render such items is unusable. Furthermore, nobody would have any use or need for a monocle or any form of eye wear, as all the sensory input received would be input from the ships HUD Display apparatus.

Note - The popular movie series "Clear Skies" does not depict the conditions aboard a Capsuleer fitted Ship. The Actors are shown in the more common "NPC" style. They essentially are the equals of those BS Belt Rats that Capsuleers farm all day long.

Clothing and Eye wear are only worn in stations.

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Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

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Originally by: Diablo Ex

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Not-Supported...

From the gathering of hundreds of units of Bio-mass over the years, I have found not one shred of evidence that a capsuleer has ever worn a stitch of clothing while in a pod. I suspect that the pod goo alone would render such items is unusable. Furthermore, nobody would have any use or need for a monocle or any form of eye wear, as all the sensory input received would be input from the ships HUD Display apparatus.

Note - The popular movie series "Clear Skies" does not depict the conditions aboard a Capsuleer fitted Ship. The Actors are shown in the more common "NPC" style. They essentially are the equals of those BS Belt Rats that Capsuleers farm all day long.

Clothing and Eye wear are only worn in stations.

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I agree with you entirely, clothing and eye wear are only worn in stations -- however the Monocle is neither of those. Described as an implant/prosthetic in its very own description it visibly causes deformation to the socket. So why should one implant survive and not the other? One could say that the character simply removes his prosthetic -- and handicaps himself for flight -- only to dock and plug in a different one (not very hygienic) provided by the next station (otherwise it would be in cargo)... it just doesn't add up... let them burn! "This isn't Hello Kitty Online"!

And the whole 'no podding' arguement is... yeah...

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Originally by: Kaelie Onren

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Agreed that it doesn't 'add up'.
But not much does. (uh, how did my medical clone get halfway across the galaxy in just 1 sec?) Sure, you can go pull the Jovian/CONCORD wildcard on us here, but then the same arguement can be made for the monocle. It costs so much because it comes with a lifetime Talocan/Jovian warpvortex, and runs on the same Interbus network as med clones transporting does. Storyline explanation done.

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Originally by: Kaelie Onren

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But speaking more practically, NeX items are supposed to be a vanity sink for the isk rich. It won't make much sense for CCP to introduce this new sink, only to 'sink' (pun intended) it by allowing them to be lost in podding. It would simply result in no more NeX purchases. (or at least, a LOT less, given the new risk/reward ratio if they were able to be lost)

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Originally by: Ranka Mei

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I like the idea of completely removing podding. I say podding is one of the greatest hindrances for people to go PvP. You can talk about risk aversion, jumpclones, carebearing, etc, until you see blue in the face, but the simple reality remains this: nobody takes their billion-isk implants set to PvP; and nobody wants to clone jump to a lower-learning clone for just that few hours PvP op. Either removing podding altogether, or make it so your implants don't get destroyed upon podding (the latter, immersion-wise, is harder to swallow).

Simply not being able to target a pod would therefore be best (and have them be impervious to AoE dmg); and then remove local + overview from the pod pilot, so there's no advantages to be had for the pod pilot.

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Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

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bloop

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Flying around with only one eye hadnÆt been resolved, but I suppose we donÆt really use them in the pod, huh? \[sic\]*sarcasm*!

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Flying around with only one eye hadnÆt been resolved, but I suppose we donÆt really use them in the pod, huh? \[sic\]*sarcasm*!

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Originally by: Kaelie Onren

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So you seem to agree that there are exceptions everywhere, irrational game mechanics that just need to be that way for practical reasons like med clone mobility, we all accept them as is... BUT you persist on trying to rationalize implants, monocle destruction, and flying with one eye in your pod?

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Originally by: Kaelie Onren

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Why?

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Originally by: Kaelie Onren

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This, despite having the practical reasons for NeX item's invulnerability explained to you. Regardless of whatever CCP may have 'said' (awaiting proof from you on this though) it's what their 'intent' or 'goal' which is the point. And making the NeX fail can't be CCPs goal.

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Originally by: Kaelie Onren

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Edit: Paulize, is this why you want name changes so much? So that you can change your name and change your looks, and then people on these forums won't know who you are anymore? Start from a clean debating slate? (j/k). In fact, if it weren't for Ranka Mei's name, I almost mistook her for a new person.

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Originally by: Rawbone

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Implants add to ones ability to kill whereas monocles just add to the satisfaction.

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Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

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Edited by: Paulize Dn''Injer on 21/08/2011 22:42:41
I just can't resist flawed arguements:

Originally by: Rawbone

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Implants add to ones ability to kill whereas monocles just add to the satisfaction.

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Then you're saying that mining, scanning, hacking, archeology, etc. implants shouldn't be destroyed either?

Let 'em all burn! (yes, monocles are self-desribed implants)

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Originally by: Rawbone

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Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

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Edited by: Paulize Dn''Injer on 21/08/2011 22:42:41
I just can't resist flawed arguements:

Originally by: Rawbone

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Implants add to ones ability to kill whereas monocles just add to the satisfaction.

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Then you're saying that mining, scanning, hacking, archeology, etc. implants shouldn't be destroyed either?

Let 'em all burn! (yes, monocles are self-desribed implants)

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I can't resist flawed logic.
When did I say that implants shouldn't be destroyed. In referring to the fact that learning/PvP implants help ones ability to kill, I can't see where it says that this should exempt carebear implants from destruction. Pull your head out of your ass and read the comments before you quote them. The only ones comparing monocles to implants are the forum warriors, and choosing to describe them as implants doesn't make them so, just like calling onself a pvper doesn't make one a pvper.

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Originally by: Looking Glass Occular Implant

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A common implant found throughout New Eden, the Looking Glass ocular implant offers vision enhancement or replacement beyond the capabilities of low-profile prosthetics. Filters, lenses, NeoCom interface, and blackbox video recorders are all standard issue with this implant.

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Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

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Flying around with only one eye hadnÆt been resolved, but I suppose we donÆt really use them in the pod, huh? \[sic\]*sarcasm*!

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Nah, I was actually attempting to answer my own question here û IÆm weak on lore, but I think I may have read somewhere that we donÆt use our æphysicalÆ eyes in the pod

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Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

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Originally by: Kaelie Onren

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So you seem to agree that there are exceptions everywhere, irrational game mechanics that just need to be that way for practical reasons like med clone mobility, we all accept them as is... BUT you persist on trying to rationalize implants, monocle destruction, and flying with one eye in your pod?

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IÆll accept the irrational part, but I dismiss æpracticalÆ as it is neither necessary nor rational. Thus I propose -- that someone else proposes -- that æMed Clone RelocationÆ be delayed till down-time at minimum! Mwahaha!

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Originally by: CCP Games, 2010

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Creation is so precious; and greed, so destructive. Your choices can make a diference

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Originally by: Zzyzx Corionus

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Edited by: Zzyzx Corionus on 29/07/2011 21:29:40
I support anything that means more monocles are destroyed

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Med clones are moved "instantly" by the simple fact that all they do is change where the destination station of your brain scan is. You don't "have" a clone until you die -- essentially it's a statement of "yeah, we promise to have a clone of your requested grade at the time of your unfortunate end" from the medical facilities. This is why jumpclones have to be moved by you...

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Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

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Originally by: Rawbone

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Originally by: Paulize Dn'Injer

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Edited by: Paulize Dn''Injer on 21/08/2011 22:42:41
I just can't resist flawed arguements:

Originally by: Rawbone

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Implants add to ones ability to kill whereas monocles just add to the satisfaction.

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Then you're saying that mining, scanning, hacking, archeology, etc. implants shouldn't be destroyed either?

Let 'em all burn! (yes, monocles are self-desribed implants)

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I can't resist flawed logic.
When did I say that implants shouldn't be destroyed. In referring to the fact that learning/PvP implants help ones ability to kill, I can't see where it says that this should exempt carebear implants from destruction. Pull your head out of your ass and read the comments before you quote them. The only ones comparing monocles to implants are the forum warriors, and choosing to describe them as implants doesn't make them so, just like calling onself a pvper doesn't make one a pvper.

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Nah, you took the stance of ôlet it go alreadyö which argues for the status quo and supported that with the dichotomy of ôImplants add to ones ability to kill whereas monocles just add to the satisfaction.ö Your argument thus favored the status quo of monocles being indestructible because they provided no ôability to killö -- incidentally, neither do the implants I listed.

Evidently you need to ôpull your head out of your ass and read the comments before quoting themö because IÆm making no comparison, only stating fact that in its own item description it calls itself an implant û donÆt be so hard on yourself ôforum warriorö

Originally by: Looking Glass Occular Implant

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A common implant found throughout New Eden, the Looking Glass ocular implant offers vision enhancement or replacement beyond the capabilities of low-profile prosthetics. Filters, lenses, NeoCom interface, and blackbox video recorders are all standard issue with this implant.

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But now that you are saying implants should be destroyed, IÆm so glad I could convince you that monocles (which are implants as seen in the description) should be destructable. Gold star for you, kiddo!

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Originally by: Rawbone

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Your stupidity is staggering and sadly can't be fixed.
Call a monocle what ever you want. It has no impact on the game save for ****ing off whiners. I'll simplify things for you then: Ability enhancing implants, that is to say implants that enhance abilities that lead to ones improvement in Eve should be destroyed upon podding. Cosmetic implants- impact eve in no way and should no more be destroyed than one's clothes. Congratulations though, I'll accept that a monocle can be an implant, just not one that should be whined into destruction. You are now free to continue your forum war, as I've already said, I can't fix stupid so I'll leave you be.

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Originally by: Khamelean

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Benefits must come with increased risk.

Monocles bring no benefits therefore should have no additional risk.

Not supported.

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Originally by: Merijin

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Originally by: Zzyzx Corionus

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Edited by: Zzyzx Corionus on 29/07/2011 21:29:40
I support anything that means more monocles are destroyed

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Now I shall join this statement !

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Originally by: Bootleg Jack

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Originally by: Merijin

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Originally by: Zzyzx Corionus

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Edited by: Zzyzx Corionus on 29/07/2011 21:29:40
I support anything that means more monocles are destroyed

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Now I shall join this statement !

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How would changing a completely different item make more monocles be destroyed? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Bitter children who fail so bad at life and EVE they STILL cannot afford a monocle 3 months later

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Originally by: Felo Maxun

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Implants, clothes , in fact anything on your "person" should be destroyed or at least chance dropped when you get podded.

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Originally by: Juris Ethos

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Edited by: Juris Ethos on 27/08/2011 01:08:18
I think everyone is forgetting something.

Just because you get podded doesn't mean that your portrait changes. Think of it like this. Let's say you got your passport photo done back in 99' while you had a mullet. Ten years down the road, that passport picture will still have a goofy ass mullet, even if you don't. So, unless you change your portrait, you'll still 'have' an uber l33t sick m0nocle. It shouldn't be destroyed (cause it doesn't grant bonuses anyway) and unless you change your portrait manually, it should appear that you always have one.

But then again, why does it matter? It doesn't grant bonuses, so its an issue of haters-gonna-hate.

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Originally by: Demica Diaz

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Originally by: Felo Maxun

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Implants, clothes , in fact anything on your "person" should be destroyed or at least chance dropped when you get podded.

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So... you keep you're clothes in pod?

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