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Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 9	Posted - 2011.09.28 18:56:00 - [1] - Quote I was idly looking at the pirate faction BS's... Caldari/Amarr: 1 Caldari/Gallente: 1 Minnie/Amarr: 1 Minnie/Gallente: 2 Basically, the Gallente and Minnie skills are used in 3 Pirate BS's, while Amarr and Caldari skills are used in 2. To create symmetry, should there not be a second Amarr/Caldari BS? There are the 2 Minnie/Gallente BS's: Mach and Vindi. I believe the same pattern applies to cruisers. Now, CCP has TONS and TONS of more pressing issues, but I would think adding another faction BS would be relatively low-hanging fruit, and adding this little bit of content might actually show that CCP's heart is indeed in the right place. Maybe introduce this about the same time as the hybrid buff?
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate 74	Posted - 2011.09.28 18:58:00 - [2] - Quote EoM? The Drake is a Lie
Akara Ito Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation 13	Posted - 2011.09.28 18:59:00 - [3] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Maybe introduce this about the same time as the hybrid buff? Do you want that new BS or not ?
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 28	Posted - 2011.09.28 19:27:00 - [4] - Quote If you really want a balanced set you should have 6 BS using all possible combinations instead of 2 minmatar - gallente ships. For example: 1. Amarr - Caldari: Nightmare - Shieldtanking lazorboat 2. Amarr - Minmatar: Bhaalgorn - Neuting/webbing armortanked lazorboat 3. Amarr - Gallente: Vindicator (changed) - Neuting armortanked blasterboat (bonus changed from webberspeed to neuts) 4. Gallente - Caldari: Rattlesnake - Shieldtanking drone/missileboat 5. Minmatar - Gallente: Machariel - Flexibly tanked projectile gunboat witha huge falloffbonus 6. Minmatar - Caldari: NEW BS - Armortanked ECM/Gunboat (projectiles) EoM could be used I guess, but presently they fly Khanid looking ships.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 34	Posted - 2011.09.28 19:28:00 - [5] - Quote Symmetry? In my EVE? Unthinkable!
Myxx Atropos Group Celestial Imperative 69	Posted - 2011.09.28 19:36:00 - [6] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: If you really want a balanced set you should have 6 BS using all possible combinations instead of 2 minmatar - gallente ships. For example: 1. Amarr - Caldari: Nightmare - Shieldtanking lazorboat 2. Amarr - Minmatar: Bhaalgorn - Neuting/webbing armortanked lazorboat 3. Amarr - Gallente: Vindicator (changed) - Neuting armortanked blasterboat (bonus changed from webberspeed to neuts) 4. Gallente - Caldari: Rattlesnake - Shieldtanking drone/missileboat 5. Minmatar - Gallente: Machariel - Flexibly tanked projectile gunboat witha huge falloffbonus 6. Minmatar - Caldari: NEW BS - Armortanked ECM/Gunboat (projectiles) EoM could be used I guess, but presently they fly Khanid looking ships. Except that the Vindicator is a Serpentis ship, and Serpentis are Cartel (basically) hence Gal/minnie for it and the mach. So instead I'd propose the creation of two more battleships
Reilly Duvolle Hydra Squadron 28	Posted - 2011.09.28 19:39:00 - [7] - Quote Myxx wrote: Except that the Vindicator is a Serpentis ship, and Serpentis are Cartel (basically) hence Gal/minnie for it and the mach. So instead I'd propose the creation of two more battleships Yeah the lore isnt symmetrical either hehe
Jita Alt666 273	Posted - 2011.09.28 20:02:00 - [8] - Quote ^^this: Caldari a powerful corporate state - who hate Gallente and dislike Minmatar. Amarr a powerful religious state who hate Minmatar and dislike Gallente. Gallente a large democratic mish mash of individual freedom - who hate Caldari and dislike Amarr. Minmatar ex slaves - who hate their former Amarr masters and dislike Caldari. On the surface which of those combinations is more likely to indulge in pirate activites?
Myxx Atropos Group Celestial Imperative 70	Posted - 2011.09.28 20:07:00 - [9] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: ^^this: Caldari a powerful corporate state - who hate Gallente and dislike Minmatar. Amarr a powerful religious state who hate Minmatar and dislike Gallente. Gallente a large democratic mish mash of individual freedom - who hate Caldari and dislike Amarr. Minmatar ex slaves - who hate their former Amarr masters and dislike Caldari. On the surface which of those combinations is more likely to indulge in pirate activites? Amaar/Gal- EoM Apocalypse, long range laser, armor repping, nos boat Minnie/Caldari - Tornado BS, missile/autocannon, sheild repping ecm boat from mordu's legion perhaps?
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. 12	Posted - 2011.09.28 20:26:00 - [10] - Quote Symmetry, while aesthetically appealing, is not always possible or needed. Not to sound like a bitter vet, because I am not in game long enough to be, but fix what you have before you add more. That being said they have a BS hull from the DA contest that is supposed to be introduced at some point. Unfortunately, the hull probably does not fit visually into any of the neglected combos if my memory serves me good. Jita Alt666 wrote: ^^this: Caldari a powerful corporate state - who hate Gallente and dislike Minmatar. Amarr a powerful religious state who hate Minmatar and dislike Gallente. Gallente a large democratic mish mash of individual freedom - who hate Caldari and dislike Amarr. Minmatar ex slaves - who hate their former Amarr masters and dislike Caldari. On the surface which of those combinations is more likely to indulge in pirate activites? When dealing with the pirate lore you can throw out the Empire squibble squabble. Slade

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 230	Posted - 2011.09.28 21:03:00 - [11] - Quote For symmetry's sake, there should be far more than thatGÇª Unfortunately, we have neither the [code] or the [img] tag to create a proper table over the combination and the gaps i the game, so a simple list will have to do: Amarr primary skill: Amarr Navy w/ Caldari: Sansha (friendly) w/ Gallente: missing w/ Minmatar: Blood Raiders (enemy) Caldari primary skill: Caldari Navy w/ Amarr: missing w/ Gallente: Guristas (enemy) w/ Minmatar: missing Gallente primary skill: Federation Navy w/ Amarr: missing w/ Caldari: missing w/ Minmatar: Serpentis (friendly) Minmatar primary skill: Republic Fleet w/ Amarr: missing w/ Caldari: missing w/ Gallente: Angels (friendly) By "primary", I here mean the ship skill that is listed first in the prereq list. Why make the distinction? Because of the Minny/Gallente combos, where you have two pirate factions that use the same skill set, only they're listed in different order. The primary skill also indicates in which regions the pirate faction appears GÇ£in the wild.GÇ¥ Just looking at the Minny/Gal combo, it might seem logical to have two Amarr/Caldari combos (and there are several likely candidates), but then the Blood Raiders and Guristas come along and screw up that idea by having cross-opponent collaborations. So this means we have a number of missing slots, which could conceivably be filled with some of the (sub)factions currently in the game. Eg.GÇª Amarr Primary w/ Gallente: No proper fit. The Syndicate / Intaki are available but there is more of a connection to Caldari (both lore-wise and geographically), but that particular pairing turns out to be quite common. Caldari Primary w/ Amarr: EOM w/ Minmatar: Mercs. Gallente Primary w/ Amarr: No proper fitGÇª EOM comes closest but is taken (unless the Caldari/Amarr slot is given to Khanid, which makes sense lore-wise, but they already have a legitimate T2 ship manufacturer). w/ Caldari: Mordu's Legion Minmatar Primary w/ Amarr: Ammatar w/ Caldari: Again, no proper fit. Possibly Thukker, since they're available, but there is no reason to include a Caldari strain into the mix. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á
Kumisaapas The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.09.28 22:45:00 - [12] - Quote Myxx wrote: Amaar/Gal- EoM Apocalypse, long range laser, armor repping, nos boat Minnie/Caldari - Tornado BS, missile/autocannon, sheild repping ecm boat from mordu's legion perhaps? Whats the deal with the Tornado, is there any word how they plan to introduce it. Is it going to be a tournament prize or something?
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 130	Posted - 2011.09.28 23:07:00 - [13] - Quote ^^^ It is coming in Decembers release. Personally i think a Caldari/Amarr boat should be an armour tanked missile boat, with bonuses to torp range (20% per level) and damage, and an ECM bonus [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img]
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 9	Posted - 2011.09.28 23:27:00 - [14] - Quote When I started this thread I was hoping to keep it simple, something that CCP could easily pick up on (one ship). But it appears some of you have given this a LOT of thought. Cool stuff, but maybe too much at the moment. Hell, who am I kidding? CCP can't even add ONE ship presently.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 40	Posted - 2011.09.29 02:15:00 - [15] - Quote Headerman wrote: ^^^ It is coming in Decembers release. Personally i think a Caldari/Amarr boat should be an armour tanked missile boat, with bonuses to torp range (20% per level) and damage, and an ECM bonus Because that won't be OP - shooting torps while perma jamming @ 60+ km?? Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Jita Alt666 278	Posted - 2011.09.29 02:17:00 - [16] - Quote Myxx wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: ^^this: Caldari a powerful corporate state - who hate Gallente and dislike Minmatar. Amarr a powerful religious state who hate Minmatar and dislike Gallente. Gallente a large democratic mish mash of individual freedom - who hate Caldari and dislike Amarr. Minmatar ex slaves - who hate their former Amarr masters and dislike Caldari. On the surface which of those combinations is more likely to indulge in pirate activites? Amaar/Gal- EoM Apocalypse, long range laser, armor repping, nos boat Minnie/Caldari - Tornado BS, missile/autocannon, sheild repping ecm boat from mordu's legion perhaps? You missed the lore point: caldari and minmatar do not work together gallente and amarr do not work together their history will not allow such travesties to occur
Large Collidable Object morons. 257	Posted - 2011.09.29 02:34:00 - [17] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Hell, who am I kidding? CCP can't even add ONE ship presently. CCP? Add Ship? Ahahahaha - they can't even make a simple, entirely irrelevant balance change to existing ships noone cares about. Like increasing logistics warp speed which was announced months ago. Nobody cared about it, because of warp speed not really being overly significant due to FU game mechanics. And yeah - logistics really needed some love (as opposed to gallente)... Now nerfing the dramiel - I bet the poor CCP employee working on eve starts screaming and flailing his arms - it only ruined frig pvp for two years - let's make sure to not nerf it too hard, mkay? I wonder how you manage to still live, given how long it must take you to make a really serious decision, like breathing in or out (I know it's kind of hard if you only have your mouth to accomplish either, but sheesh - get a grip...). morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding!
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 130	Posted - 2011.09.29 02:48:00 - [18] - Quote Noctis? T3's? [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img]
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 130	Posted - 2011.09.29 02:49:00 - [19] - Quote Har Harrison wrote: Headerman wrote: ^^^ It is coming in Decembers release. Personally i think a Caldari/Amarr boat should be an armour tanked missile boat, with bonuses to torp range (20% per level) and damage, and an ECM bonus Because that won't be OP - shooting torps while perma jamming @ 60+ km?? Ok, 60km is way OP, oops still, i am sticking with the basic idea [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img]
Large Collidable Object morons. 257	Posted - 2011.09.29 02:59:00 - [20] - Quote Headerman wrote: Noctis? T3's? Noctis - yeah - nice garbage collector I guess, not really interfering with anything but non-minmatar garbage trucks cough catalyst. T3's were added with apocrypha - the last decent expansion which was over 2.5 years ago - and they're still lacking balance and the 5th subsystem. morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding!



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