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grumpyguts1	Posted - 2011.06.27 03:09:00 - [1] To try something new I decided to do some LS ratting. I am doing it in Sansha territory, so thought I would go with an amarr ship. I chose a harbinger and it worked well for ratting, so thought I would try some exploration/combat sites out. I found a Sansha Forlorn Hub, checked evelopedia (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Sansha_forlorn_hub), and thought it might be a good challenge. Turned out to be impossible, I am using the fit below, I have already dropped 1 heat sink for a second EANM to try and get it complete. Problem is the 3rd wave, the BS start 40KM away by they time they in range of my scorch I am halfway in armor and dropping fast, even with the MAR's both running. What should/can I do to complete these? Get a BS?? I have a Tengu but not planning in taking it to LS.. yep carebear.. Any advise appreciated.. I could go in a drake but the damage with a proper tank would be terrible.. Wasn't sure if this should have gone in ship fits.. [Harbinger, ratting] Heavy Pulse Laser II_2, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II_2, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II_2, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II_2, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II_2, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II_2, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II_2, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Salvager I_2 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Cap Recharger II_2 Medium Armor Repairer II_2 Medium Armor Repairer II_2 Reactor Control Unit II_2 Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II_2 Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II_2 Heat Sink II_2 Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I_2 Medium Anti-EM Pump I_2 Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I_2 Stats: tank 230 dps, EHP - 35k. Cap stable if I run either 1 of the MAR or MWD, 2mins cap with all running.
Helmut 314 Amarr Unladen Swallow Research Institute	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:37:00 - [2] You need to up your resists, two EANM and the rigs arent nearly enough. I would recommend 1 MAR II (or a deadspace one if you can afford it), 1 EM hardener II and 2 Thermic hardener II. You have a big thermal hole in your resists and Sansha do EM and some thermal. Dropping one MAR II should give you enough grid to do without the Reactor control as well, use the spare slot for another heatsink or a second EM hardener. Get rid of the MWD, it makes your signature gigantic and kills cap, use an afterburner instead as it should be enough to keep you moving. As for rigs, use 3 Capacitor control circuits instead of the resist pumps. Cap is life, especially so for Amarr ships. If you have good cap skills you might consider using two cap control rigs and one nanobot accelerator rig instead, but personnaly I prefer resists to repping.
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.06.27 06:32:00 - [3] Keep in mind that resists are stacking penalized and that the third module only gets about 57% of its effect; Damage Controls are not stacking penalized, so you might try the following combination: Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II EANM II Damage Control II Heat Sink II MAR II Also, what the guy above said.
grumpyguts1	Posted - 2011.06.27 19:43:00 - [4] Thanks I will try as recommended, I put MWD on so I could close the gap quicker, even though knowingly increasing sig.
FloppieTheBanjoClown	Posted - 2011.06.27 22:49:00 - [5] I loved my Harby for exploration (until I got my zealot). I would drop the salvager for a tractor beam. The quicker you get the wreck you want to loot and get out, the safer you are in lowsec. Salvage from complexes just isn't worth the risk imo. Another idea would be to put a cloak on it so you can hit a safespot and disappear should a gang show up and go looking for you. Best advice I can give you is to get your skills up. It's a solid fit you posted, and will get better as your armor and gunnery skills improve. One other idea: I don't know what the optimal for that battleship is, but there is always the option of running from it, drawing the smaller ships out where you can fight them without the battleship's guns being a factor, then turning and charging at it once you've lowered the site's DPS to a sustainable level.
grumpyguts1	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:02:00 - [6] Originally by: FloppieTheBanjoClown I loved my Harby for exploration (until I got my zealot). I would drop the salvager for a tractor beam. The quicker you get the wreck you want to loot and get out, the safer you are in lowsec. Salvage from complexes just isn't worth the risk imo. Another idea would be to put a cloak on it so you can hit a safespot and disappear should a gang show up and go looking for you. Best advice I can give you is to get your skills up. It's a solid fit you posted, and will get better as your armor and gunnery skills improve. One other idea: I don't know what the optimal for that battleship is, but there is always the option of running from it, drawing the smaller ships out where you can fight them without the battleship's guns being a factor, then turning and charging at it once you've lowered the site's DPS to a sustainable level. Thought about a zealot, but couldn't get a good enough looking fit... maybe you could share yours :) I have just over 5.2 mil gunnery skill, mostly lazer and general gunnery. just over 1.2 mechanic.
FloppieTheBanjoClown	Posted - 2011.06.28 02:23:00 - [7] This is my zealot setup. It's a no-frills build because I spend a lot of time in low/w-space: [Zealot, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Capacitor Power Relay II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Akuma Tsukai Amarr	Posted - 2011.06.28 03:41:00 - [8] For solo exploration ull definitely want a HAC, BS or T3. BC wont cut it on anything serious. HAC or T3 are better imo as u can actually omni tank them and do all races, also some fits allow probe launcher/salvager/cloak combo installed :) ---- Drones eat everything. Trust me.
Lord Wickham	Posted - 2011.06.28 13:46:00 - [9] are these the plexs that you probe out or are they the 1's that you system scan for?
Haary	Posted - 2011.06.28 16:15:00 - [10] Ishtar.
grumpyguts1	Posted - 2011.06.28 17:51:00 - [11] Thanks all for the advice. It seems HAC is the way to go. With current prices for HAC's I might as well take my Gila into LS. Has better drone space than Ishtar and will give me better choices for highs than the Zealot, maybe slightly less DPS as I can't use T2 Sentry's. So thanks all for advice it has been very helpful. Guess the harby gets refit for PvP :)
Johnny Augustus	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:52:00 - [12] This might sound odd, but have you thought of just using a normal cruiser? Cheap enough to be easily lost, yet can be qutie effective in doing these sites. I've been using a standard exploration Arbitrator equiped with an afterburner, and I have no problem taking out four BS's with it while orbiting them at 40km. It can take a bit to chip away at a BS enough to destroy it, but it might be something for you to look into.
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2011.06.28 19:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Haary Ishtar. QFT. (period) Signature removed. Discussing warnings or bans in your signature is not permitted.
grumpyguts1	Posted - 2011.06.28 22:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Johnny Augustus This might sound odd, but have you thought of just using a normal cruiser? Cheap enough to be easily lost, yet can be qutie effective in doing these sites. I've been using a standard exploration Arbitrator equiped with an afterburner, and I have no problem taking out four BS's with it while orbiting them at 40km. It can take a bit to chip away at a BS enough to destroy it, but it might be something for you to look into. Not odd. I did think about it, but you don't have the bandwidth to manage 5 heavy's or sentry's and medium drones take too long for me. I tried using the medium drones while orbiting in the harby... just soooo slow to kill them

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