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Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Markarian Aurelius on 28/06/2011 00:20:34 Think about it everyone. You've maybe spent 5-10 years playing this game. You've put a lot of time and money into it. In a way, you feel a certain amount of ownership. Wouldn't it be nice to actually OWN and have a true voice as a voting stock holder of the very thing you love?
CCP, you could raise the money you need by selling stock to us, the players. As a result, we would have a say in what happens at CCP as a voting block and would help you with a cash infusion that you obviously need. I think most of us know that you're strapped for cash due to the development of WoD and Dust. Have to admit, you bit off a little more than you could chew, but we can help.
Sell 280,000 shares of your company for $50 USD/share. I personally will commit to buying 8 shares of your company at that price. I'd bet you have enough players who'd be willing to buy at least 1 share to sell that many shares and be able to raise $14 mil USD within 2 months. Then you can advertise being one of the ONLY player owned MMO in the industry.
Sounds like a much better idea than coming up with ideas that drive your customers away rather than bringing them into the fold, doesn't it?
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Tir Zhik
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:19:00 -
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I'd be in!
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Jacoba Stalker
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Markarian Aurelius Think about it everyone. You've maybe spent 5-10 years playing this game. You've put a lot of time and money into it. In a way, you feel a certain amount of ownership. Wouldn't it be nice to actually OWN and have a true voice as a voting stock holder of the very thing you love?
CCP, you could raise the money you need by selling stock to us, the players. As a result, we would have a say in what happens at CCP as a voting block and would help you with a cash infusion that you obviously need. I think most of us know that you're strapped for cash due to the development of WoD and Dust. Have to admit, you bit off a little more than you could chew, but we can help.
Sell 280,000 shares of your company for $50 USD/share. I personally will commit to buying 8 shares of your company at that price. I'd bet you have enough players who'd be willing to buy at least 1 share to sell that many shares and be able to raise $14 mil USD within 2 months.
Sounds like a much better idea than coming up with ideas that drive your customers away rather than bringing them into the fold, doesn't it?
The idea has merit.
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Vikarion
Caldari State Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:27:00 -
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I'd buy some. - - -
Originally by: CCP Pann If you have something to say, IĘd like very much to hear it.
Originally by: Hilmar this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say. |
Fire Watch
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tir Zhik I'd be in!
Same here.
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Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tir Zhik I'd be in!
I think many people, especially those heavily invested in the game,would be. Plus, I would bet that the average player is 20yrs old, making them legal at least in the US to be a stock owner.
The question is whether CCP would want to give the players that sort of control, since we could vote company measures up or down via majority vote at a shareholder's meeting.
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Larissa Sunsorrow
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:29:00 -
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they can't. CCP is a closed company.
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Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow they can't. CCP is a closed company.
They can sell common stock to private investors. It's not the same as doing an IPO. Companies do that all the time to raise capital.
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Uuali
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:32:00 -
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Amen brutha! Testify!
THIS is why they will fail sooner or later. If they went public they'd have a lot more cashflow. But, that'd mean actually pleasing the stock holders.
Come on CCP! Get some REAL delegates, not a group of rent-a-reps.
Or they could do what Bungie did and just sell out to Microsoft.
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Toawa
EVE Mercantile Exchange Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:32:00 -
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This would be a complete non-starter, at least in the US. There are restrictions on who can invest in a non-registered company (because, after all, the feds know better than you how to handle your money </sarcasm>), and if you get more than 499 such investors, they'd have to register with the SEC. And if you think their accounting is complicated now, multiply that by about a hundred...
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MrGronk
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:33:00 -
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I love how someone can pitchfork about how evil a company is one day, and then offer to buy into it the next. literally. |
Tir Zhik
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
Originally by: Tir Zhik I'd be in!
I think many people, especially those heavily invested in the game,would be. Plus, I would bet that the average player is 20yrs old, making them legal at least in the US to be a stock owner.
The question is whether CCP would want to give the players that sort of control, since we could vote company measures up or down via majority vote at a shareholder's meeting.
Europe was something with 18yrs if I'm not completely wrong. So basically would be a good deal for all of us. :]
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Larissa Sunsorrow
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow they can't. CCP is a closed company.
They can sell common stock to private investors. It's not the same as doing an IPO. Companies do that all the time to raise capital.
but you need a invest company. quote from some other forum:
Quote: Can't do it. Quickest answer is that in the US private companies can only raise money from "qualified investors". These are people with >$200k in income for each of the last 3 years or those with >$1M in financial assets (your house doesn't count). There are also strong rules as to how you go about asking for money from these qualified investors. On top of which, if you go over 500 shareholder you have to report to the SEC in the same way that you would as a public company. You also could not do this in less than 6 months.
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Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Markarian Aurelius on 28/06/2011 00:36:29
Originally by: MrGronk I love how someone can pitchfork about how evil a company is one day, and then offer to buy into it the next. literally.
Fact is I'd rather see this game thrive to the benefit of the players than burn down to our loss. I'd rather have a true voice in it's redemption than claim a killmaill from it's fall.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: MrGronk I love how someone can pitchfork about how evil a company is one day, and then offer to buy into it the next. literally.
Evil companies makes more cash than nice companies. -
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Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow
Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow they can't. CCP is a closed company.
They can sell common stock to private investors. It's not the same as doing an IPO. Companies do that all the time to raise capital.
but you need a invest company. quote from some other forum:
Quote: Can't do it. Quickest answer is that in the US private companies can only raise money from "qualified investors". These are people with >$200k in income for each of the last 3 years or those with >$1M in financial assets (your house doesn't count). There are also strong rules as to how you go about asking for money from these qualified investors. On top of which, if you go over 500 shareholder you have to report to the SEC in the same way that you would as a public company. You also could not do this in less than 6 months.
This might be true if you invested in CCP NA...but this company *is* headquartered in Iceland...so by that wouldn't EU trading laws apply and not the SEC's? I believe SEC only governs companies that are US owned. Please tell me if I'm wrong. I'm not a stock expert.
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Irie Irie Irie
Caldari Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Markarian Aurelius Edited by: Markarian Aurelius on 28/06/2011 00:36:29
Originally by: MrGronk I love how someone can pitchfork about how evil a company is one day, and then offer to buy into it the next. literally.
Fact is I'd rather see this game thrive to the benefit of the players than burn down to our loss. I'd rather have a true voice in it's redemption than claim a killmaill from it's fall.
MrGronk, how you are not embarrassed to spew that drivel I don't know. Time to biomass thanks. ~~~
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:45:00 -
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Your "voice" would not be heard if they did sell stock to players ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Caladan Broood
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:49:00 -
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They won't sell stock because that would cause a new class of holders that can effectively control and override management. They will have to give away all details of their plans. Further, with their current holders and loans I'm willing to bet the contracts forbid any further stock classes which would dilute their holding and control of the company. Never happen because CCP isn't an IPO and nobody is stupid enough to invest in anything Iceland.
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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:49:00 -
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And what happens when the people with the most shares decide eve should go a way you don't like? Or are people who don't even play but think all this MT p2w stuff you people are freaking out about is actually a great idea? No thanks
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:52:00 -
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If CCP came to us and said "We need 11 million by october or we're ****ed", i'd ****ing donate 70 dollars to them. And so would a ****load of other subscribers. They would be full in three months with donations. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cat Casidy And what happens when the people with the most shares decide eve should go a way you don't like? Or are people who don't even play but think all this MT p2w stuff you people are freaking out about is actually a great idea? No thanks
Would that be any different from a game where we really have zero say, which is what we have now? If there was the possibility of selling private stock (and I don't know if there even is) at least the shareholders would have a vote at the meetings. If I am correct, you can decide to sell shares to a specific group of people, such as the players. Doing such would ensure that our interests are met and not some outside entities.
Granted, this may not work simply because the banks that have already invested in CCP would do everything they could to maintain stock control over them. I don't have all the answers. I'm just throwing out ideas and see if any of them are possible and could stick.
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Kirkland Langue
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:57:00 -
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can you just imagine Goons owning CCP? They would burn the game to the ground for lulz.
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Neville Smit
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.28 00:57:00 -
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Now, this idea makes a lot of sense! I'd invest! New EVE player? Join me in Eve University! |
Algathas
Minmatar The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:00:00 -
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Each monocle is a share in CCP.
"[i]We have spais in their base. Our propaganda machine is much larger and stronger than theirs We have better organizational capabilities |
Holly Cleland
Special Operations Foxhound
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:00:00 -
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Indeed... I'd buy a couple, then I'd sell them as soon as people start to realize this was all a big PR move and CCP kept ahold of 51% of the shares and are selling us a bunch of useless shares to troll us with! just kidding, that'd never happen, or would it?
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Markarian Aurelius
Caldari Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kirkland Langue can you just imagine Goons owning CCP? They would burn the game to the ground for lulz.
Pretty sure most of the Goons are under 18, except for it's upper management...so no, I'm not so worried about them owning a majority stake in common stock just so they can burn CCP to the ground for the lulz.
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Rhedea
Rhedea Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:27:00 -
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I'm in for 10
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Sylthi
Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:35:00 -
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If CCP offered up CONTROLLING interest in the company to the players I'd cash out my other investments (all of them) and invest.
Anything SHORT of controlling interest and you'd be doing the same thing as buying a Monicle; aka handing them your money and HOPEING they do good things with it.
And, since CCP will set fire to their own corporate offices BEFORE they give ANY control to the players, my investments are safe where they are.
Excellent idea though. It COULD work, if the managers at CCP weren't all egomaniacs that are ignoring their own incoming financial demise; and are even going to the point of DAREING the players to make their finacial problems worse.
Good thread guy, cheers mate.
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General Xenophon
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Posted - 2011.06.28 01:36:00 -
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Providing CCP didn't have another failboat plan / patch that loses players and profit, sure, I'd be in.
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